It's funny how they make fun of Cora for her "american sentimentalities" but she's the only one who keeps her head straight in a crisis

@greatmusicfan57

2 жыл бұрын

Cora...send in Cora the Calvary 😘

@zyxw2024

2 жыл бұрын

Not when her daughter died. 😔

@greatmusicfan57

2 жыл бұрын

@@zyxw2024 Truth.😢💔

@anneofgreengables1367

2 жыл бұрын

@@zyxw2024 I think we can give her a pass on that one. ☹️

@DGraziosif

2 жыл бұрын

@@zyxw2024 I mean, that's understandable

I am totally on board with a Downton Abbey prequel/sequel. Rewind back to the mid 1800s, just before the Dowager Countess marries Lord Grantham. Which leads up to the estate being in dire financial difficulties, until a young girl from America shows up during the London season. She's young. She's beautiful. She's smart. She's independent and Most of all she's Wealthy. There are storylines a plenty to make this work...I can't wait!!

@noveraislam1567

2 жыл бұрын

Omg yes

@m.layfette6249

2 жыл бұрын

@@noveraislam1567 Start the movie with Cora's life and family in America. See what lead her mother to bring her to London. I want to know what Mrs. Levinson REALLY thought about the Crawley's. I'm thinking it must have happened a few years after Lord and Lady Grantham travelled to Imperial Russia. Not to mention take a glimpse into why Lady Rosamund married Marmaduke.

@Richardsonprincess00

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully, it might come true...i 🤔?!

@The_13th_Hussar

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.layfette6249 The answer as to why she was in London is simple, she was a "dollar princess". Essentially daughters of very wealthy Americans were married into British noble families and in exchange for some of their family's wealth they received a title and their family received a direct connection to titled aristocrats.

@m.layfette6249

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_13th_Hussar Sadly not too much has changed in 100 years.

"nothing ever changes for you people, does it?? Revolutions erupt, monarchies crash to the ground, and the groom still cannot see the bride before the wedding!"💘😂

@m.layfette6249

2 жыл бұрын

"You Americans never understand the importance of tradition."

@ellispeterson5184

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.layfette6249 "yes we do, we just don't give it power over us"

@m.layfette6249

2 жыл бұрын

@@ellispeterson5184 "Tradition and history took Europe into a world war, you might want to let go if it's hand a little."

@ellispeterson5184

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.layfette6249 violets face after that...😤😱😭

@gingerbaker4390

2 жыл бұрын

Monarchies crashed to the ground and what followed was fascism and communism. Yep that worked out well didn't it.,,?

I adored Paul Giamatti as Uncle Harald. I especially loved his introduction to the Prince of Wales, his reaction to the Prince being so pompous was hilarious.

@nicklubrino2606

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing became of Uncle Harold and the Lady ___

@AudreyMealiff

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicklubrino2606 We can hope that maybe something did off camera.

@nicklubrino2606

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudreyMealiff I mean, in the storyline, nothing became of Uncle Harold and the Lady ____ who was being encouraged by her dad to marry Harold because he’s rich.

@AudreyMealiff

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicklubrino2606 Yes I know and I was agreeing and saying it would be nice to think they did have a future but it just didn't make it into any episode.

@katherinehayes9110

Жыл бұрын

Paul Giamatti is a great actor.I love his performance as John Adams.

Dame Maggie Smith and Shirley Maclaine acting against each other made me so happy. The quips are amazing!

@Prieze868

2 жыл бұрын

You need some of the Leveson cash I always remember that line and Shirley Maclaine

I don’t think I could have been as kind and forgiving as Cora was over Lord Grantham’s idiocy. Also, I wonder if “have gun, will travel” was a well known American phrase in 1920. The tv series started in 1957, I believe.

@nazgullord3198

2 жыл бұрын

It's amazing to think in retrospect and realize just how much foolishness and antics she not only put up with but also forgave.

@alex377687

2 жыл бұрын

The show starts with the sinking of the Titanic.

@joelchesters4184

2 жыл бұрын

The show started in 1912

@dapperoreo8566

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelchesters4184 I think they meant the phrase have gun will travel comes from

@johnboy32064

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelchesters4184 He is talking about a TV series called “Have Gun - Will Travel” which was broadcast in 1957, according to Wikipedia. I think the original poster is well aware of the Downton Abbey timeline..

Martha Levinson was the only one who could match the Dowager Countess’s wit. Amazing script fitting for two legendary actresses!

@joannesmith2484

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought Isobel Crawley did a pretty good job of it. She was just more subtle. Martha Levinson was as subtle as a freight train, and proud of it.

@dan_38

2 жыл бұрын

@@joannesmith2484 it really depends on the how u want ur wit. If u want subtly, go English; want directly to the point, go American. Each excels in their own way

@eboli7146

2 жыл бұрын

@@joannesmith2484 Isobel did all right but usually the Countess could easily shut her down 😆 yes, Martha was not subtle at all but I think the contrast between the two Great Dames adds to the frisson!

My favorite new quote...Tradition is just a way for your family to continue to control you from the grave.

Omg the look on Carson’s face when Cora’s mother says “oh dear, I’m afraid the war has made old women of us both.” 😂🥲

I kind of wish the second movie was the Crawleys visiting America, that would be funny. Then I realized it was the 30s, so that would be the Great Depression and it might be a little depressing lol.

@LeahWalentosky

2 жыл бұрын

That and the Dust Bowel

@sarasr18

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeahWalentosky yeah. It makes me think they should actually get back to doing the show instead of another movie because all the movies have fluffy storylines, which is great but...shit's about to get real very soon lol

@jamesoconnor7143

2 жыл бұрын

Comment by Carmencita: No, please keep Downton Abbey in the UK; bringing it to America would ruin it.

@duaneerwin3617

2 жыл бұрын

The Great Depression was world wide. I wonder if they will show how it effected them in Great Britain.

@shayneramea809

2 жыл бұрын

I hope the levinsons get a mention in the gilded age !!! Also ... the Russell daughter is going to marry a Duke! 😂

I love that Paul Giamatti was John Adams and had to appear before King George III at one point, and here in DA he’s American new money rubbing shoulders with British aristocrats (even tried to introduce himself to the crown prince at one point). Superb in both roles. All of these actors were great. And Alfred was a pretty lucky guy, Mrs. Levinson’s maid was a peach!

I am so impressed how Cora is so loving.. and calm . Money is just money

@amandamarshall1485

2 жыл бұрын

... not when it means you will lose your home, and an entire staff of people lose their livelihoods and have to leave to go die in a workhouse

@harringt100

Жыл бұрын

@@amandamarshall1485 I doubt the staff would have all gone to die in a workhouse. There were people leaving all along to go work in shops, offices, restaurants, etc. remember? The domestic service industry was shrinking rapidly in the inter-war era, and there were other opportunities opening up. Some of them better, at least from certain perspectives. And the Crawleys would have been even more fine than their servants. They had another house they were planning to move to which seemed very nice, just smaller.

@IgnorantSeeker

5 ай бұрын

Yet Robert still cheats on her. How can someone just forgets moments of being bailed out like this and still betray the person when the times become good again......

When I went to NY I travelled to Rhode Island to see these 'cottages' are they are huge. Just to think those were just the summer residences.

@AlexS-oj8qf

2 жыл бұрын

These cottages are often larger than their primary residences.

@Beachdudeca

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlexS-oj8qf , yup the Townhouse in NY were grand but they of course lacked the grounds in the country

@joannesmith2484

2 жыл бұрын

Their Adirondack great camps were just as impressive, if not moreso. For those times when they needed to "rough it" in the wilderness.

Love the verbal sparring between the Dowager Countess and Mrs Levinson!

@stonem0013

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting to see the Dowager get the worse end of it

We are addicted to this series! Never watched until recently (Netflix). Every single thing about this is flawless; writing, acting, production value, historical attention - all of it. I can only imagine how much work they all put into it to make us, the audience, drawn, interested, entertained - enveloped. American projects now seem so cheap and shallow after the richness of this series. Extraordinary work.

@ronnie7075

Жыл бұрын

Holly you are so right. I DA has ruined other shows for me. Other shows seem cheap and nasty and the acting within other shows is usually very suspect. We the audience expect high standards. Hollywood once upon a time used to put out quality movies/shows. But now ...

I absolutely adored Downtown Abbey. By far my favorite TV show. The witty firing on all cylinders the Dowager - Violet Crawley is my very favorite character. Like Cora Crawley “I’m an American. Have gun. Will travel”. Thank you Julian Fellowes. Also all the amazing actors who truly made their characters their own. A masterpiece

At 4:03 THAT brother is **smooth** . And I say that in appreciation of both the skill it took to rescue the situation and the courage it took for a black man to take a white aristocrat into his arms in the mid-20s. If Jack Ross had done the same thing in Atlanta of the era, they'd find his body about three days later in a ditch. And I say that as a historian. History isn't pretty much of the time.

@anyaw340

Жыл бұрын

Forget 3 days later. A mob would've formed outside of the place within 2 hours, as word quickly spread due to all of the witnesses, and he would've been lynched that same night.

@carlhicksjr8401

Жыл бұрын

@@anyaw340 I'm a Civil War reenactor in a very liberal Western state. I do a lot of teaching at high schools in my area. As you can imagine, teaching the historical truth in an area with a cultural bias can be... interesting. A lot of sacred cows get burned for EVERYBODY... Whites, Blacks, Natives, pretty much nobody is happy when I'm done because history, it turns out, is, um, 'complicated' 😁

Martha Levison's speech at 2:28 is amazing!!!

Love Cora when she says, I'm an American, have gun will travel. LOL...that line is priceless.

I wanted the movie to tell us what happened between Harold and his penpal The Hon. Madeleine Allsop.

@KoiYakultGreenTea

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah theirs was a strangely wholesome relationship that defied convention. I cringed at his awkwardness at first I found their friendship so cute

@neilgerace355

2 жыл бұрын

@@KoiYakultGreenTea She convinced him he wasn't the worthless wastrel and libertine he thought he was. After he saw through the Allsopps' gold digging plan, he discovered he liked her. That was great.

@KoiYakultGreenTea

2 жыл бұрын

@@neilgerace355 and she wasn’t like them. She was hopelessly trapped to be a wife of some rich guy but I think after that she was a lot more confident and maybe she’s gonna do something trailblazing

@neilgerace355

2 жыл бұрын

@@KoiYakultGreenTea She's still going to marry a rich guy, but they're going to fall in love first :)

@sharpaycutie2

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I was hoping they’d get together 🥲

06:17 - Carson's expressions with the American valette are simply PRICELESS! With every look of amazement he gives me, I burst out laughing 😂😂😂

My grandmother came of age in the 1920’s in Boston privileged society and from her memoirs their expected behaviors were identical to their English cousins. Much of New York society however was culturally bohemian and ahead of the times except for certain “Mayflower” neighborhood’s whose residents were unforgiving if any of them strayed beyond their norms. Like Boston, women were forever shunned if even a whiff of scandal was suspected.

@lucieelizabethannwesson7016

Жыл бұрын

My father was born in 1920 and my mother was born in 1925

0:38 "have gun - willl travel" My favourite American in Downton is: Lady Cora, but Mrs. Levinson, impersonated by great Shirley, is a real gem too.

A superb performance in the characters of Robert and Cora in this scene… so very believable!! I was truly moved!!

Yeah he lost the money but not enough to be in the lower class, if matthew didn't give them the money, they would still be rich af, even tho if they couldn't live the "vie de châteaux" with a lot of servants

@keldonmcfarland2969

2 жыл бұрын

It's not just the money. It's the generations of legacy that each Earl passes to the next. It's the shame that they fear as well. They have a duty to keep the estate running and service to the Monarch. When they fail they are crushed. I read in an official Downton Abbey book that during this time nearly half of the floor space of these castles and grand houses were torn down. Many estates were subdivided and auctioned off.

@keldonmcfarland2969

2 жыл бұрын

@samantha ssmith That's what they are doing now. Even Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice have regular jobs now.

@beadmecreative9485

2 жыл бұрын

@@keldonmcfarland2969 They don’t have jobs because they have to, they do it because they love their jobs. The British royal family is worth over a half billion and since all that money is investments, they will have money for probably another 1000 years.

@keldonmcfarland2969

2 жыл бұрын

@@beadmecreative9485 Eugenie and Beatrice are not on the Sovereign Grant. They are probably tied to their father's trusts, he's worth millions of £s. They (probably) don't get a large income (if any at all) from the Queen.

@carolthomas8528

3 ай бұрын

Money is not class .

One of my really most favorite with Shirley MacLaine in it I wish she was in the movie maybe when they do the second movie they could ask somebody like Jane Fonda to play Shirley maclaine's role

@flyboy152

Жыл бұрын

In the episode where Edith gets married, it’s made clear that Martha’s transatlantic traveling days are over.

I wish cora's mother and brother had a couple of scenes in the films or later on in the series. They were both great 😊

My shock when I saw Paul Giamatti in this series.

I wouldn't be upset with seeing a young Cora & Robert on The Gilded Age. It takes place in 1880s NYC/America. Downton began circa the Titanic. 1912. Surely Robert and Cora were meant to be late 40s, early 50s based on Mary's age. 30 years prior could have them meeting in America. Or a mention? 🤷🏿‍♀️🤷‍♂️🥰

@DGraziosif

2 жыл бұрын

they were in their early 40's and got married between 1888 - 1890

@AlexS-oj8qf

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that. They probbaly met in London on Cora's Deb, her mother probably looking for a way to raise herself in the society, but then realize that English Polite Society os nothing but poor peer looking for money, one of them are the Crawleys that force Cora's fortune to be bounded with Downton's, that's why she's so distasted by English Society.

@supermom23

Жыл бұрын

I tried watching The Gilded Age. Terrible. Couldn’t watch more than a few episodes.

Of course Martha Levinson ❤️💃🕌🍷✨ I think she needs her own movie!

@taroman7100

2 жыл бұрын

Shirley MacLaine ugh she didnt age well.

In real life Jack Ross would have stayed far from Rose. In America he could have been killed for even looking a at Rose.

@a.munroe

2 жыл бұрын

This is true, though the UK had its own customs and social rules. He's also occupying an odd grey area as entertainment. The appropriate thing would probably have been to escourt her back to the table and say good night. He could do that all with out touching her.

@keldonmcfarland2969

2 жыл бұрын

I like how Lady Mary says that her father would be more scandalized that Ross was a jazz musician. Haha

@LeahWalentosky

2 жыл бұрын

@@a.munroe true but trauma and fear are hard things to get over. Those during WW2 a number of African American solders had romantic relationships with European women

@Blackcomanche

2 жыл бұрын

This is true, but Jack Ross was also based on an historical figure named Leslie "Hutch" Hutchinson. Interracial relationships have been around throughout history!

@LeahWalentosky

2 жыл бұрын

@@Blackcomanche good point

The racist ball was a very sobering moment. As much of a fan as I am of Downton, it's important to remember that were we really alive at that time, our sentiments really wouldn't be as gentle toward the Crawleys and their ilk.

@What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names

2 жыл бұрын

It is easy to view history through rose colored glasses. You shouldn’t apply today’s morals and ethics to the past.

@tc2334

2 жыл бұрын

@@What_was_wrong_w_jst_our_names I’m not quite sure I did that. This was in or quite near the 20s. Plenty of people, like Rose herself in this scene, knew exactly what was wrong. And tbh, putting the race bit aside. Her family letting her be flung around a dance floor by a drunken man who refused to let her go was wrong too and that was another consequence of the time. One that Rose didn’t appreciate and one that the other Downton ladies in previous episodes had fought against openly (men thinking they can control women because they’re women, that is).

@mandyh86

2 жыл бұрын

Your comment is very close minded. Rather than labelling something from a particular historical period as “problematic”, one should pay attention to the intricacies and workings of late 19th and early 20th century depictions and conceptions of race and race-related issues. And as a previous comment said, you cannot view history from the viewpoint of the morals and ethics of today.

@tc2334

2 жыл бұрын

@@mandyh86 Let’s not put words in the mouths of others. I didn’t say anything was problematic. It said it was sobering. The fact that we enjoy this show so much is precisely because it’s overwhelmingly focused on the rich, privileged people. We in the 21st century like watching that and we grow very attached to them. It’s sobering to realize that, actually, were we living in that time, we probably wouldn’t think as highly of them. It’s not just the racism, it’s classism, and other things. Also important to note, 1920s England was socially a *vastly* different place than late 19th century England, so to even casually put those two together is a bit ridiculous especially since that’s a huge theme of this show to begin with. It’s not projecting morality now to then. It’s acknowledging that were we actually alive back then in any other social status other than theirs, many of us wouldn’t view them as kindly.

@marleymarsss

2 жыл бұрын

@@mandyh86 I find it quite hilarious how people think that just because it was a different day and age, that the awful things that transpired then were somehow okay because it was the times lol it’s total bs, right is right and wrong is wrong. If you think just because the race relations back then was normal for some, that somehow it negates the disgust nature of it, you’re wrong. Black ppl didn’t like how they were treated then either.

Love these scenes!

The BEST SHOW EVER❤ Harold is awesome😂

Violet and Cora's mother pairing was a stroke of magic...the dynamic duo.

I would love a prequel.

Jack has a beautiful voice

We came 3 and a 1/2 1000 miles to change the subject is one of my favorite lines delivered by Shirley MacLaine 😂😂😂

Never mind this my favorite episode. Or one of them

The jazz singer is not American. He is a Brit playing an American

@anyaw340

Жыл бұрын

I could tell. His accent was too exaggerated and sounded put on. No one in American has ever spoken that way, lol.

I just Enjoy the ups & downs of family/families. The elegance, the common thread of opportunities and indiscretions, even with those who appear to be of higher stature. I enjoy being entertained in a way that does not express every detail of everything. ~`~

It was kind of annoying how most of the Americans on the show were portrayed as socially awkward or arrogant/rude like they’re from another planet except Cora. 🤔

2:36 that is actually wise and thought provoking.

Very nice.

DEEP!

Really wish they got into more detail about the family's connection to Teapot Dome

@m.layfette6249

2 жыл бұрын

Save that for the Downton Abbey prequel/sequel.

@robertmoore6149

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.layfette6249 Teapot Done was a scandal contemporary to THIS time. Any prequel/sequel would be out of step or premature. It would be the same as a show today talking about Watergate or the results of the 2032 Presidential election as if it were a current event.

@m.layfette6249

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertmoore6149 The Teapot Dome Scandal if anything was a precursor to Watergate. At it's core was bribery and corruption. I would like for it to be shown more in depth. The only difference between Harold Levinson and Lord Grantham is a firm lack of business on the part of Robert.

@robertmoore6149

2 жыл бұрын

@@m.layfette6249 Watergate and Teapot Dome have nothing to do with each other: the events, the people, the places, not even motivation. My point is that THIS show is most reasonable talking about those event with THESE people. A show set in the past simply cant do that. And a show in the future hasnt been made an if extremely unlikely to do that. Thus the opportunity was missed. Thats all

@flyboy152

Жыл бұрын

There was an earlier episode where Robert went to America to basically make Harold more respectable, but they never did explain exactly what role Harold had played. He was probably an investor in one or more of the illicit oil leases.

That dude: I wanted to ask you man to man - *Mr Carson.exe has stopped working*

Why does Mrs. Levinson think it’s such a weird foreign thing for the groom not to see the bride the night before the wedding? It’s a tradition in America too. That always struck as a discordant note with me.

@dan_38

2 жыл бұрын

They're new money rich, which meant they may still have the more simple traditions, which in all likelihood allowed for the groom to see the bride before the wedding. Mr. Levinson was Jewish as well, which meant that the practice was not applicable compared to other groups in America and Europe.

@harringt100

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it was as though she'd never heard of the tradition, she just thought it was silly that they were still observing it so strictly and universally. Like "Oh, gosh, he's seen her several times a week for years on end, but somehow this one night makes all the difference." I think the tradition came from the era when marriages were arranged and couples barely did see each other before the actual wedding, right?

Love Cora and Rose.

Cora is going to be fine. That's why she's so supportive and calm. I bet she will have an inheritance worth millions upon millions as soon as dear mama and papa kick the bucket back in old New York. We heard as much from Cora's brother, when he was a tad too blunt for Rose's friend at the coming out ceremony at Buckingham Palace. Cora's getting that money too. So Robert losing the fortune she brought into the marriage is no big deal. Also, why was Robert the one in charge of the finances? It seems that the daughter of a major industrialist would be better with money than some blue-blooded toff who doesn't know a thing about the right investments, diversification and growing a fortune. Cora does, and she can always talk to her daddy about these issues.

@DGraziosif

2 жыл бұрын

Her father died before the series even started

@pabloruiz8597

2 жыл бұрын

@@DGraziosif If dear papa is already dead, then Cora will get a nice sum when mother dearest kicks the bucket. Cora will inherit a handsome residual from that estate, just like her brother explained at the coming-out party at Buckingham Palace. Hence Cora's nonchalance. It pays to be very rich--don't need to worry when one fortune goes down in flames. There's another one always waiting in the wings. :D

@reginabillotti

2 жыл бұрын

@@pabloruiz8597 that's actually addressed in the series. When Robert and Violet try to convince Martha to help them with their financial difficulties she basically declined, saying that Cora already got her inheritance and the rest is going to her brother.

@marigold6920

2 жыл бұрын

@@reginabillotti Perhaps she didn't want to throw good money after bad. That wasn't the first time Robert had lost a fortune. Mary was the one that took up money grubbing for Downton.

@Luboman411

2 жыл бұрын

@@marigold6920 LOL. Robert married Cora, a very rich American millionairess. He had already done all the money grubbing he could stand for the estate, so it was Mary's turn. ;) Robert was lucky because he ended up liking and then loving the moneybags (i.e. Cora). A lot of the time these gold-digging marriages between an ailing British aristocrat and an American millionairess ended in disaster--like poor Consuelo Vanderbilt's marriage to a hateful closet-case who liked the men on the side. Consuelo could already tell it was going to be a disaster the day of the wedding--she cried right after ceremony. But she soldiered on because her parents wanted a duchess in the family.

The American storylines increase interest for the extremely important and lucrative American market.

Jack Ross had EXCELLENT taste. In ladies, too.

Robert was really not a good husband. Or businessman. He was a very good father

@vnixned2

2 жыл бұрын

He had massive failures on all fronts, but I honestly do think he was a better husband than many, especially when taking into account the sequel, his and Cora's interactions were absolutely lovely therein

6:52 😂 😁 😄

Ethan ❤️

As s gay man, I want someone with the personality of Cora no matter how awfully irresponsible I was. And stunningly beautiful

How the girls never met their uncle up until the debutante season was a bit weird

WWII and the abdicated throne of Edward. Lady Rose and Atticus being in USA. They should show that

I just love Cora!

Love it can't afford it .

When Jack Ross' band visits Downton to play there, he tells Mr Carson that his family lives in England for over a century. So I am not completely sure why he is in this clip.

@m.layfette6249

Жыл бұрын

Jazz music began in the American south. As African Americans relocated North to NY and Chicago, the genre of music evolved over time. Many musicians traveled to Europe to "escape" racial (blatant) persecution. Jack Ross' family line may date back to the 1700s, but I'm pretty sure he has some Americans in his ancestry.

I really like Americans. I want to marry an American.

😳 💜 💚

Jos and Toady 😀 TV

I love this series to pieces, but some of these American accents are a bit...wobbly from the Brits playing Americans. Still love the characters though.

@ToutCQJM

2 жыл бұрын

Like the one from Martha’s maid. It sounds rather off.

@anyaw340

Жыл бұрын

Jack Ross' accent was also bad, and he didn't sound like an American jazz singer at all. I don't know what type of music that was.

Don't blame the American women. A handsome Englishman of that era in uniform was probably irresistible and a living embodiment of a romantic novel fantasy.

What season and episode

@harringt100

2 жыл бұрын

It's an almagation of a bunch. You need to at least specify the scene(s) you're asking about.

have gun will travel

Oye the singers voice kills me everytime lol. It’s so not true sound of the generation….the annunciation lmao.

@vanessawyndham8791

2 жыл бұрын

It hurts my ears to hear him sing. He's out of tune and he goes from one register to another. So annoying.

@anyaw340

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I think part of the problem is that he's not actually American. They should've picked an American who knows the culture/style. And his accent is horrible; it sounds so exaggerated lol. When he's singing, he sounds more like a modern teenager singing pop music at a talent show.

Revaluations erupt and monarchies crash to the ground (love that)

Robert was so bad with money lol

What kind of greedy idiot invests everything in one place

The Jack Ross scene makes me SO uncomfortable

If they lost all money. How can they pay for a wedding???

how did they get their fortune back?

@flyboy152

Жыл бұрын

Matthew inherited a large sum and became partners with Robert on the estate.

2:17 dont listen to that American, Violet.

4:33. 8 could punch Branson in his face. He's been an outside in that family. He Knowles the feeling but now he's superior to someone.

@anthonylegore1517

2 жыл бұрын

Again, you should not impose today's sensibilities on residents of a prior age. Racism is ugly, but divisions between races, classes, countries were real and a fact of life. Thomas was written and portrayed true to his time and space. Nothing more, nothing less.

@MinhNguyen-ff6xf

Жыл бұрын

He’s trying to remind Rose that she crossed the line. Rose is a noble lady, daughter of a marquess, not a flapper/play girl.

@JacksonStorms-mv7yb

11 ай бұрын

I agree. Tom, Rosemund, and Edith all were on my shitlist after this arc. Uppidity can be forgiven, but racists...never. At least the band leader had a real job...the rest married or inherited money.

Robert doesn't deserve Cora. After all this he still goes and cheats on her, for no effing reason at all. Also the way Cora's response was portrayed as some kind of American sensibility feels frivolous. No one, not anyone from any country is supposed to take the news of losing almost all their fortune calmly and nonchalantly. It takes courage, maturity, extraordinary love to put on a brave face for the spouse in that moment. This didn't really seem like it was appreciated.

You can hear the American accent being forced with these British actors the singer and the help.

Lady Grantham actress a perfect choice but Shirley Maclaine as her mother not as fortunate a choice. American aristocracy in that era was classy.

@anyaw340

Жыл бұрын

No, they weren't. That was the point of Shirley Maclaine behaving as she did; that is how she was intended to behave. Many wealthy American families were "new money" and acted like it, except in the South, where they had "old money" from slavery. Cora's family is new money. British aristocratic families came from hundreds of years of wealth, so "class" (or their idea of "class") it was in their culture. Not so for many wealthy American families.

Ok. Terrible mismatch of Americanism used by Cora: ‘ I’m a American. Have Gun Will Travel.’ That’s a title of old western in the 60’s. Not quite a match here.

@flyboy152

Жыл бұрын

And where do you think they got that title? That was a common American expression dating back to the 19th century.

@betheva5917

Жыл бұрын

@@flyboy152 I can see the expression would have existed but hard to say it would have been such common parlance. The series does have odd bits of more modern terms and this seemed to jolt me as well. To what it would matter is slim since it’s fiction. I watched it for the characters and the fabulous design.

Can I just mention how OFF KEY the singer is? Handsome guy but...

Tom should have behaved better when he was introduced. I don't get when those who fight to break a social ocial barrier have a negative and prejudiced mindset themselves.

With all due respect to Ms.MacLaine’s considerable talents, her scenes with Maggie Smith point out the differences between a performer, even a “ham” (albeit a good one) and a real actress of the highest caliber.

History and tradition didn't lead to a thing. Treaties did. Democracies would've led to a war just as brutal. WW1 was caused by treaties that were signed under the table, George, Wilhelm, and Nicholas wanted to talk things over but the elected officials pressured them into war. Tradition could've saved Europe.

@dan_38

2 жыл бұрын

(Sigh) Historically, tradition and history binds Europe to their issues even to this day. The more realistic traditional belief in Europe was that of cultures have the right to land based on myth or legend, which was the driving catalysts in 1900-1940 Europe, and even to this day it occurs. All sides did this, no one was successful, yet the wounds linger. And if ur claiming that monarchs are the true power, then there is less truth to each. Neither of the three had true power, only very loud noisemakers that ultimately besided themselves to their own interests.

@blackfedoramedia6498

2 жыл бұрын

@@dan_38 I'm saying if Monarchs did have the power like they did in the old days, the war could've been avoided. Elected officials were behind ww1 not the Kings.

@cammiehalliday757

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackfedoramedia6498 what in the old days were we all still live under feudalism with no rights to vote. Blaming WW1 on democracy is a stretch considering over half of the population in the UK didn’t have the right to vote before 1914.

@extatickiddo5714

2 жыл бұрын

This is not true at all lol, there is a reason why so many monarchies fell after/during the wall and it was due to the hubris of the dynasties.

@blackfedoramedia6498

2 жыл бұрын

@@extatickiddo5714 I'm telling you man it was all treaties. Look it up/

I love Robert but he really is the worst ennemy of his estate…such a bad manager!

The Americans are the opposite of the stuffy English! Good opposites though!

@steveb149

2 жыл бұрын

We like being stuffy thanks 😤

@lindaselander9602

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveb149 no insult intended! You r our closest ally, an appreciate our cousins ovr the pond.

@piusx8317

2 жыл бұрын

@@steveb149 Clearly you live in a different part of the UK to me then.

@lindaselander9602

2 жыл бұрын

@@piusx8317 greetings frm Kentucky, USA, hi ya'all!😊

@steveb149

2 жыл бұрын

@@piusx8317 Yes from South...London

Ross wasn’t American. He was black British.

@europeanroyalist.6387

2 жыл бұрын

He was American. He was from Chicago. Plus, he speaks in a strong American accent.

@saskiarobbiati4658

2 жыл бұрын

@@europeanroyalist.6387 I must have missed that

@keldonmcfarland2969

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently a lot of black American musicians toured through the UK and Europe. While there was some discrimination, it was nothing like the Jim Crow laws of the day in the US. They could eat in regular restaurants and use public transport and other facilities in most countries in Europe then.

@maryannlockwood7806

2 жыл бұрын

@@keldonmcfarland2969 that was why why Josephine Baker moved to France.💁🏻‍♀️

@keldonmcfarland2969

2 жыл бұрын

@samantha ssmith Yes. They played for aristocracy and royalty and the commoners.

What disappoints me here is the fact that the female characters are lacking the correct silhoutte of clothes. All because the production team did not invest in corsets. Such a lax on this part made everything less appealing.

@lar.8168

2 жыл бұрын

There were the ‘20s so no corsets

@anyaw340

Жыл бұрын

As the previous commenter said, there were no corsets in the 20s. That went out with the Victorian Era. In the 20s, women were wearing very boxy dresses and had shapeless silhouettes. Look up the Queen Mother's wedding dress from 1923. It's a hideous, boxy, shapeless thing. That dress was typical of the 1920s.

I don't typically like to see Americans in British shows but they chose well for this one. This totally messed up, unrealistic trainwreck of a show. Yet, I've seen it countless times. What does that say about me? 😆

not really the biggest fan of Mrs Levinson, to me she came across more snobbish than anyone, and very hypocritical

@neilgerace355

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but Shirley MacLaine was brilliant :)

@cyrilmauras4247

2 жыл бұрын

A perfect example of the American upper classes at that time. As if her maid quit just to spite her, instead of leaving to get away from her abuse.

@markmh835

2 жыл бұрын

No, the Crawley family is snobbish. Mrs. Levinson is direct, honest, and blunt to the point of rudeness. She's a realist and "calls a spade a spade." This is how Americans in western states appear to Americans in eastern states, and how all Americans appears to the rest of the world. Which must be why writer Julian Fellows wrote this character in such a stereotypical way.

@piusx8317

2 жыл бұрын

Thomas Rowsell: Really? The Crawleys are the snobs with an estate with no money to pay for it. At least the Levinsons have the cash to pay for their lifestyle

@squireob

2 жыл бұрын

Snobbish in the superior-condescending sense, yes. In the posh-smug-entitled sense, no. Every Downton Abbey character with dev time shows facets.

I have to say that this is the only part of DA that wasn't done well. The racial handling of Jack Ross and the Crawley family felt like they walked on eggshells.

Who is the totally miscast black singer? Can’t act, certainly cannot sing, and is as dull as dull can be. I fast forward all of his scenes. Just lousy. BTW, has nothing to do with his skin color. Got it?

@jessicam.4777

2 жыл бұрын

Sure….

@onthesideofright9755

2 жыл бұрын

Aside from being the only black actor, her really Was miscast. Call me what you will

I wonder why he didn’t want to marry her?