Pending seeing the rules, I’m excited by Treantmonk’s impression that warlock might be a top-tier class this time

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

That is a very exciting prospect!

@zarekodynski9077

10 күн бұрын

I mean technically it kind of was, at least for martial style damage builds… but yeah this sounds more like it will be a true spell caster instead of the best martial.

@nyanbrox5418

10 күн бұрын

If you want to play a blade and sorcery character, you will not need to hex dip, you can now just go straight warlock They have added more incentives to stay straight classed warlock, while not really taking anything away from the 1 level warlock dip, (execpt the shield proficiencie, and the other subclass features you got from hexblade) This means more people will play straight warlock, and dropping 1 level in hexblade will probably be more rare, heck, it is theoretically possible to pick up a invocation using an origin feat, using the eldritch adept feat

@koxacbka

10 күн бұрын

@@zarekodynski9077 you can't take weapon feats as a warlocks. cuz even though Pact of the blade give you profficiency and mastety with a summoned weapon...it doesn't count as a profficieny in martial weapon which is required to take a feat (for example no one will object that you can't polymorph into elf to take elf specific feats...cuz polymorph is the temporary effect). and without those feats you'll be a worse melee fighter (also it's a feat tax cuz you need to fix your hp and defences before going into melee)

@koxacbka

10 күн бұрын

@@nyanbrox5418 good thing that anyone can probably take shield and medium armor from origin feats (unless they'll remove it in phb2024)

They revised those "cast a spell with a slot" invocations to "freebie cast of that spell, but you can use slots for more uses". That is an alternative way to round out your spell capabilites to overrelying on cantrips (if that's what you want to do).

From what ive seen of the new warlock im in love!! So much customization and freedom. I feel pact slot limitations would be fine because you can do so much more outside of casting spells. Skills with the origin feats, cantrips, blade, chain, tome, additional spells, ect. Especially the extra casts from your subclass if that is in each one. I wish they gave more to the martial classes

I am really excited about most of the changes to this one. I just wish they would have kept being able to choose your own main casting stat. that really would have made so many interesting combinations.

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

That was one of my favourite changes during the UA. I’m also sad to see it go.

@Ahglock

6 күн бұрын

I'd of been happy with that or just swapping to intelligence. The seek out forbidden knowledge class being charisma just does not fit imo.

@RobearRich

6 күн бұрын

@@Ahglock To me, the Warlock seems like it should be able to fit into any other class. It is someone who is willing to bind themselves to a supernatural entity to accomplish a goal. I’d say you do it by subclass. Maybe Fiend and Great Old One could be Charisma or Intelligence because it’s a common trope for intelligent people to make deals with things they don’t understand for more knowledge/power. Celestial and Fey would be Wisdom or Charisma because I could see Druids or Clerics easily wanting to go into these classes thematically. Charisma is always available but then the others depend on what you choose.

Im biased towards the bladelock so i love the changes! I love how Archfey makes you nightcrawler. Fiend lets you be a melee tank, and depending on wording, celestial could deal the most damage as you can now deal radiant damage with your pact weapon, so if the feature will let you add damage to this it's awesome. I want to know if changes will be made to hexblade now that its core mechanic is obsolete

As a warlock, you just need to use your spell slots up, and fallback to cantrips when you are out. If you always wait, you will be hampering yourself. You have to trust your DM to allow you a rest when you need it (short rests should be readily available).

@jiminkpen9750

9 күн бұрын

Short rests being so important to some classes and not others is a poor design choice. I wish they had got rid of short rests altogether.

@sleepinggiant4062

9 күн бұрын

@@jiminkpen9750 - I toyed around with the idea of making short rest abilities 3/day. But then they could be used multiple times in one combat, which seemed against the intention.

@jiminkpen9750

9 күн бұрын

@@sleepinggiant4062 yeah, it's just baked into the game/class design too much to easily remove them, which is probably why they backed off the idea of reducing usefulness/removing them. I actually liked the idea of a half caster warlock as per one ua. There was still plenty of uniqueness to the class but too many players disliked it (probably because players felt dms should give enough short rests and make them readily available so that characters could always use their abilities. Whoa betide having to manage your resources carefully) Edit: and I admit the idea of having to use your spells at their most powerful but getting fewer is cool and fits really well... but at the expense of overall gameplay

@EpicRandomness555

9 күн бұрын

@@jiminkpen9750But now a lot of the classes get something back on a short rest. Wildshapes, spells, Second Winds, Channel Divinities, Rage and more I’m not sure of. Everyone is going to benefit from a short rest. It’s sucky to lose your abilities and have to spend 8 hours to get them back.

@jiminkpen9750

9 күн бұрын

@@EpicRandomness555 sure, but there are still some classes that get a lot back on one, some a few resources and some next to none. Plus, it can be hard to build tension, pace and a sense of urgency when after every encounter half the party want an hour rest or get snippy because its unfair on their class.

Thank you for bringing that up, I did not pay attention to the YOU HAVE TO BE OUT OF SPELL SLOTS. Sighhhh WHY?!

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

It drives me insane. The Bard’s Superior Inspiration from 2014 was always the biggest offender in this regard to me. Drove me absolutely insane.

@MrJerks93

10 күн бұрын

Admittedly for a Warlock it's not hard to be out of spell slots.

Magical cunning should have stayed as "you have 1 use of one of your patron spells for free, the level of the spell is equal to the level of your pact magic spells, once per long rest"

I just hope the feat that gives you medium armour and shields is still a level 1 feat so you can finally play a cool infernal hexblade

@Funkin_Disher

9 күн бұрын

There is a level 1 feat for that IIRC

@guilhermemelo3760

9 күн бұрын

@@Funkin_Disher on the UA, yes, hoping on the new book as well

You should make a "tier rankings" of the classes based on your excitement to play them (before the formal books come out).

I am worried. Warlock's barely get enough eldritch invocations. I know they added to the number of invocations a Warlock gets, but then they made Pact Boons invocations. So we used to get 8, now we get 10, but really, we only get 9. There are two ways I see they should have remedied this: 1. Make our first Pact Boon as a free invocation (meaning not take up a use of invocations. 2. Go back to the way Pact Boons were before, but of course, keep them at level 1.

@koxacbka

10 күн бұрын

i think sage mentioned that there might be a feat to gain more invocations. also it's not 9. it's 8 or even less. cuz taking upgraded pact is almost mandatory

@OpenWorldAddict0

10 күн бұрын

​@@koxacbka I think 'mandatory' invocations are part of the issue. Some time over the last year or so I created a table on google docs where I evaluated all the invocations currently available and then made some several builds for each spell or Pact Boons that have invocations that improve them, and found out that mandatory invocations took over most of your options.

@jiminkpen9750

9 күн бұрын

Jeez, they don't need more invocations. They need to reduce the versatility of all casters to balance them with martials and stop letting casters just shine in every situation. (This from someone who always plays casters but liked being in a party where non casters had a place and useful role and their players didn't feel the need to multiclass into some sort of caster to have fun and feel useful).

@EpicRandomness555

9 күн бұрын

I mean, you can technically choose to not get the Pact Boons if you really don’t want to. You can take all the Invocations that empowered Eldritch Blast and now more cantrip. Focus on Agonizing Repelling Spear Chill Touch. If you decide to choose a Pact Boon, well then there’s other Invocations that strengthen those ones that you’ll want to take anyway. By the time you reach the maximum it’s probably not gonna feel like you don’t have enough. You can’t expect to get every single Invocation possible.

@koxacbka

9 күн бұрын

@@jiminkpen9750 they do need invocations though. cuz in dnd5 almost all warlocks were without choice. agonizing blast and other things that buff EB were soooo goood. (even thirsting blade everyone complain about will lose to EB+agonizing combo n higher levels). and all of it frm the safe distance of 120+ ft up to 4 attacks

Archfey breakdown is very helpful. I do tune out watching the dnd videos sometimes

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

Same lol. That’s why I made it a goal to keep everything condensed while still providing the important information :)

I'm super annoyed it sounds like warlock dipping for edlritch blast is still going to be a thing. I HATE the fact that 2 level dipping is honestly the 'proper' way to play. I'm also not sure why everyone hates on thirty blade getting a third attack at 11th. Even with life drinker, 2 attacks is FAR inferior to Eldritch Blast. And it only gets worse at 17th level

@BlankCanvas-hp4bf

10 күн бұрын

The problem is EB.

@EpicRandomness555

9 күн бұрын

In the Playtest, Eldritch Blast was changed to only scale with Warlock levels. So a 1 or 2 level dip won’t give you the best Eldritch Blast anymore.

@calvinwarlick8533

5 сағат бұрын

That math on Thirsting Blade only holds true until you get your hands on a magic weapon. Then the maths heavily favor making three attacks a turn, especially given how few options there are to boost spell attack and damage.

I have A Lot of versatility House Rules for Warlocks, and it looks like I'll have to keep them 😝 My table uses the Spell Point Variant rule from the DMG, so instead of having 2 Spell Slots for most of their career, Warlocks get two Spell Points per level up to ten, and one additional point per level from 11 up. Mystic Arcanum now provides 1 Daily Spell Slot of the appropriate level (6th Level Armor of Agyths anyone?) and they get a second prepared spell of that level on even Levels (at twelfth level, a Warlock will have 2 6th level spells to pick between). Objective power is nearly the same, but removes all the arbitrary limits in the base class.

So... can you use agonizing blast with booming blade? weapon dmg + cantrip dmg + STR(cha via pact of the blade) + cha via agonizing blast? or triple cha bonus to dmg if you use celestial warlock with agonizing blast and green flame blade?

@calvinwarlick8533

5 сағат бұрын

Plus Cha again with Life drinker, plus any bonuses from the weapon.

I’m excited to mess with this. Is there any we’re I can read the stuff myself. Not just the warlock but the other classes as well

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

Unfortunately nothing is officially available. It seems to be extremely similar to what was revealed in Unearthed Arcana 7 which is available for free on DNDBeyond.

@user-mu8ok5xf8d

10 күн бұрын

@@InsightCheck drat, I guess I’ll wait then

I hope radiant soul gets a buff. Right now you add your charisma modifier to one damage roll against one target of the spell. That last part seems over limiting, as if I cast flame strike and hit 2 people, only 1 of them takes the +4/5 damage not both. Since flame strike is a 5th level spell that does the damage of the 3rd level fireball spell, I think doing 8d6+5 with a 5th level spell slot isn't OP

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

Yeah I think I’m pretty much with you on this. I think the feature could use a bit of a buff. It didn’t get discussed during the video but who knows!

@geoffreyperrin4347

10 күн бұрын

@@InsightCheck All I'd ask is that it simply stops after "to one fire or radiant damage roll of the spell"

You still get spell slots back on a short test. I understand the anxiety, but it's the same as the use of consumables. With more invocations giving free users, powerful cantrips, etc, warlocks have a lot of cool abilities even when out of spells.

@calvinwarlick8533

5 сағат бұрын

Agreed. One of the most important lessons for Warlock players is learning that not all of your cool abilities are in your spell list.

They probably should have made Agonizing Blast and the like apply to all of your warlock damage cantrips, rather than having to pick it for each cantrip. As it is, you feel like you are punishing yourself by not putting it on Eldritch Blast.

Can't wait to make an Archfey Warlock with the Shadar-kai race and the Fey Touched feat... teleports galore!!!

@Funkin_Disher

9 күн бұрын

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@ss4jacob

9 күн бұрын

I figured I wouldn't be the only one who thought of that combo 😅

Few resources are a problem in some classes, but I think the worst offender is the 2014 Monk

I really liked the expanded spell lists of the warlock instead of the free preps of every other class. I would have preferred they all swapped to that

I enjoyed archfey as it was though tbh like I’m not dissatisfied with the new form of the subclass but like I’m going to miss my warlock dip that I could flavor as my character’s naturally intimidating form

Been waiting for this vid 🙌🏻

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

Yeah I got a bit delayed but hoping to catch back up!

I wonder will the new dmg include a revised spellpoint system from the 2014 dmg that was an alternative to spellslots

@Funkin_Disher

9 күн бұрын

Or the pro gamer move, giving them exclusively to sorcerers

Hurl through Hell got a massive nerf, given that it now requires a failed Saving Throw. This means your once a day super ability can just fail, and is all but guaranteed to fail against anything with Legendary Resistance.

Warlock still feels very frontloaded pact of the blade for cha to hit and damage is a no brainer Also seems that there is no capstone to write home about in the class so I'm sad to see that warlock will remain a 1 to 3 level dip in most cases

Quick correction but around 6:40 to 6:50 you mention that Warlocks Pact Spells had to be prepared for the day, but Warlocks are spells knowns casters so they can't even do that.

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

Yeah I caught that too, slip of the tongue. Late night recordings don’t work well with me hwja

The new Create Thrall is much better in a fight, but completely crippled potential for out of combat shenanigans that the old feature had.

Curious to see what happens to Hexblade. I love gishes, and there aren't many ways of effectively play one. So I'm hoping hexblade turns out okay

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

At least as far as right now is concerned, Hexblade is not being carried forward to the 2024 books. There are rules for you to use 2014 subclasses with the 2024 books but Hexblade has not received any update (at least not yet).

magical cunning basically replicate the rod of pact keeper's active. with the difference that you need 10 rounds (1 minute) instead of 1 action. but then again....if DMs are not allowing players to have a short rest...then there might not be that 1 minute to replenish a spell either as for thirsting blade: imho it's not that big of a deal as people say. you either have a feat or level tax (to get heavy armor or med armor with expertise) and there are also uses for extra attack. fr example if you have pact of the chain. (fighter will still deal more damage and will have higher AC and HP pool)

I just realized Warlocks are prepared casters. Is this the case for all classes now? Are sorcerers and bard and rangers all prepared casters now instead of known casters?

@TimeOfSin

6 күн бұрын

No, it's just a wording change. All casters are now "prepared", but the mechanics of how they do their casting hasnt really changed. There are still "known" casters, they just arent called that in the system anymore. Or at least that is how it was in the playtest.

you can always ask the DM to remove that line of text/ ignore it anyways. unless someone is a rules first, fun second guy, this should work

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

lol I mean yes of course that is always an option but the purpose of the discussion is what was printed in the books. Otherwise, anything is possible and isn’t really possible to talk about.

6:45 - not sure what you are talking about here; Warlocks don't "prepare" spells. They are one of the classes that knows a limited number of spells, but always has them prepared.

@InsightCheck

3 күн бұрын

lol I mean for one thing, I think it’s very obvious what I’m talking about :P. Secondly, the language in the UAs has actually been updated to refer to the fact that Warlocks, along with all other casters are in fact “preparing” spells now. The exact definition of what a prepared caster in 2014 looked like has changed though, I agree with that. Nevertheless, that is the term that is used.

Very much looking forward to the warlock!

The best build for warlock was 4e. You could build almost everything around eldritch blast! It was awesome. Now it's all nerfed. Worse, any creative flavor is sucked right out. At this point warlock is best as an add on for multiclassing

To be honest, I think so much of the warlock could have been fixed with a much easier rule tweak: you regain all short rest abilities when you roll initiative. Monks and warlocks are suddenly useful. A lot of people use this house rule, or stuff like short rests last for 5 minutes, etc. It's a straightforward fix.

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

As long as it didn’t require you to have none left haha

@HorizonOfHope

10 күн бұрын

@@InsightCheck LOL! Yeah, like you I HATE that wording.

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

@HorizonOfHope it drives me up the wall lol. I don’t think anything will bother me as much as the 2014 Bard’s Superior Inspiration though.

@koxacbka

10 күн бұрын

we play with a houserule that short rest is forced upon a party after the combat encounter ends and also takes no time (basically you regain everything while you loot and patch your wounds). also you can't have a short rest without encounter (easy fix for coffee locks) and everyone should agree to take a rest(short or long) to have it's benefits. this way warlocks and fighters in a party a a bit stronger, but there is no hessitation on using abilities and everyone on the table is having a blast. (also as a DM in can throw a harder then intended enounter from time to time without much worries)

@killcat1971

9 күн бұрын

An issue I can see is that it, to a degree, invalidates the long rest classes, since Monk and Warlock are always operating at peak power.

I still miss playtest 5 Warlock

I don’t understand the purpose of magical cunning at all. It feels like a “we ran out of ideas” feature. They could have bumped the slots the class gets by one and you’d end up with largely the same effect, I think.

Awesome videos, im binging all of them now and really like a lot of your takes! However as a dnd nerd who loves nothing more than being pedantic over slight seemingly innocuous word choices, Warlocks are spells known not spells prepared both in 14 and 24

@InsightCheck

6 күн бұрын

I’m glad you enjoyed it, thank you so much :) In UA 7, the last UA we saw Warlock in, they were specifically described as being prepared casters, as was every caster in the game. They’ve definitely adjusted their definition of the term.

@loganeggleston9744

6 күн бұрын

@@InsightCheck that’s true the verbiage has changed to “prepared” for everyone but in spirit it’s identical to the known/prepared split of ‘14 in that warlocks get x amount of spells and can only swap on a level up. Whether or not that’s the final iteration in ‘24 remains to be seen though, I guess we will find out today at noon lol!

What is even the point of changing all classes to get their subclasses at level 3, when they do everything to keep the warlock universally frontloaded, and the best option to slap on every other class?

> Hurl through hell > ... the target must succeed on a Charisma saving throw > saving throw My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

The 2024 warlock is destroyed. First making warlock half caster from full caster as it was in 5e is the first sign of destruction this interesting to play class. Second of all making the pact boon (Pact of chain, tome, blade) equal to invocations is the second sign that designers decide to destroy more this class. I mean warlock was already limited to the choices of invocations, spells etc, and making pact boons equal to invocations not only warlock is more limited to the choices that can make but also the choices are less significant to the progression. As a veteran DND player since 2nd edition, I got to say that the only change that I was hoping to see about warlock from 5e was warlock getting little more spell slots and nothing else. But no let's destroy all the classes melee or casters in the name of "Game balance"

WotC tried to turn Warlocks into 3/4 casters during UA and the fans said no. I thought it was a great idea but clearly I was in the minority.

@InsightCheck

10 күн бұрын

It was an interesting idea. I didn’t love it as to me Pact Magic feels so different and I enjoy that element of it. I think they could have made half casting work with enough effort but overall I am happy they reverted back to Pact Magic.

@koxacbka

10 күн бұрын

as one who were against that idea i can say why i were against it: it basically removed warlock as unique class from the game and replaced it with yet another bard or similar class.

Warlock never should have been a base class. It should have been a prestige class that a character could have worked their way into via a role play scenario..... But im a grognard from the days of old. Nice coverage though. Good job.

I don't get the whole 'regain a spell slot' thing, just keep it simple and give me more spell slots?

Miss me with a breakdown with this much speculation in the first 60 seconds. Just talk about what we know. Damn

they made them a halfcaster. and that fucking sucks.

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So warlock was overpowered in the last edition and is still overpowered in the new edition. Great...

Why do you, throughout the video, keep refering to the warlock as preparing spells? The warlock doesnt prepare spells, he learns them. And can cast any learned spells, no need to prepare anything.

@InsightCheck

9 күн бұрын

lol I apologize. I said it exactly 3 times within the same paragraph of an otherwise 3500 word script. I don’t really have an answer as to why, some things flow better when writing and sometimes it’s just a derp.

@emosasukefan01234

9 күн бұрын

@InsightCheck lol i must have heard them back to back and that may have annoyed me enough for the comment soz But hey, it is still engagement xD

@InsightCheck

9 күн бұрын

@emosasukefan01234 hahaha it’s all good :)

One D&D is looking like a horrible flop in my eyes. The idea of making 5.5 instead of just 6 really limited the changes and will make one d&d a super poor offer in comparison to dc20, daggerheart and the other ttrpgs coming out. They should have stayed with 5e at this point and retroactively patch it rather than making this half new edition or actually made a new edition with real changes like fixing the wonky action bonus action system

@ss4jacob

10 күн бұрын

It's not one dnd, and they don't call it that so don't pretend that putting a number at the end makes anything better, this a revision of the 5th edition rule set that is now the standard dnd going forward. That's it.

@ojodeoro1106

10 күн бұрын

@@ss4jacob I don't care about the name. My point is the revision is a bad move to make with all the new games coming out. Do you want a revision of a broken game that fails to address half the issues and isn't really backwards compatible or do you want this brand new thing? I hate wizards and I hope they go bankrupt, but this move is still so dumb

@ss4jacob

10 күн бұрын

@@ojodeoro1106 the ruleset isn't broken.

@ojodeoro1106

10 күн бұрын

​@@ss4jacob i mean no ttrpg can ever truly be broken but when your biggest feature is combat and it's unbalanced, slow and unintuitive then i would call it broken.

@ss4jacob

9 күн бұрын

@@ojodeoro1106 yet it is still none of the things you claim, the speed of combat rounds in my experience is due to the player wanting to do something, it's now more balanced than ever because of the revision it is getting this year. And the 5e ruleset is by far the easiest to pick up and run or learn.

The characters litterally start as super heroes. And were sick and tired of seeing super heroes. I dont identify with that...