Thank you very much to Wild for sponsoring today's debate! Get 20% off all Wild products here with the code ED2023: bit.ly/3JeRAjP In today's debate I have a conversation with Kyle, a student and US flag loving Texan. He has some interesting reactions to my questions and we have a really interesting discussion about some of his moral and behavioural contradictions. How do you think it went?

@Alex-qb2es

Жыл бұрын

You're the best Ed! Thank you!

@youtubehatesfreespeech2555

Жыл бұрын

Vegans don't care about suffering of sentient beings. They care about being able to point fingers while leaving the monstrosity of Nature alone. #efilism

@VeganSemihCyprus33

Жыл бұрын

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

@ReverendDr.Thomas

Жыл бұрын

@@Alex-qb2es, indeed, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶 The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩 Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture! “I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”. Mr. Ed Gaunt, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐 kzread.info/dash/bejne/haBpqdKxfLvUpaw.html Go to the 8:15 mark.

@speedracer9132

Жыл бұрын

As a south Texan I tried wild only after you mentioned it in a previous video and I’ve loved it because of how well it works in this heat and I still smell great at the end of the day

Debates between vegans and meat-eaters are some of the best illustrations of what cognitive dissonance looks like.

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

Cause most meat eaters don't try to discover why they are meat eaters.

@TheCrimsonPope

Жыл бұрын

that!

@serafimb2319

Жыл бұрын

This comment is a great illustration of cognitive dissonance as well. Because everyone will agree, because either side will think this is a point for their side (if it was out of context).

@XxFatalSaintxX

Жыл бұрын

@@serafimb2319 One side is acting in accordance with their beliefs while the other is acting contrary to their beliefs (which through the course of this video you can see are fundamentally the same beliefs, i.e. it is not necessary to eat animals and it is wrong to make them suffer). One side has confronted their beliefs and changed their actions and behaviours accordingly (Ed). The other has just come to an agreement on those same beliefs and logic but refuses to change actions or behaviour (Kyle). That's the definition of cognitive dissonance.

@lwindowsky

Жыл бұрын

Facts

This guy's biggest problem is probably just that his friends and family would give him a hard time if he went vegan.

@morejoy5188

2 ай бұрын

Not just him - probably the majority of Carnists.

@SpaceOutlaww

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's pretty isolating being in limbo. On one end, there are friends and family calling you an idiot for giving plant based a try. On the other end, you've got vegans calling you an idiot carnist with cognitive dissonance for not being 100% committed. It really does suck

Bro was stumped. He was having an identity crisis and could not handle it 😂

@blondey3261

Жыл бұрын

1000%

@jamesmoore3223

Жыл бұрын

Identity is important for all of us. Props to him for giving it a go.

@lowkeyconvert8971

Жыл бұрын

this is interesting, because he's wearing his USA flag overalls (trying to make a point there too) and his whole demeanour is defensive and it's clear that his identity is very much caught up in his nationalism. i guess for him, a huge part of being an 'american' is hunting and eating animals. there was no way this guy was going to be able to have a rational and reasoned discussion without getting riled up because of the entwinement of eating meat with his idea of how he sees an american to be and subsequently himself. it's like he was defending his 'americanism' more than having an isolated debate about eating animals.

@0_floyd_

Жыл бұрын

@@lowkeyconvert8971 you said what I thought brother. Well said.

@The_Atheist_Carpenter5625

Жыл бұрын

Its not a good feeling internally, major props for having the discussion and being honest.

Ed is truly one of the best debaters around

@stevebryant6483

Жыл бұрын

I agree he is good, but when there is no logical arguments to his debate questions it makes his job a whole lot easier.

@tsikinite

Жыл бұрын

​@@stevebryant6483 it’s not necessarily a debate off of questions, it’s just almost every carnivore has the exact same arguments and ed has perfected his responses, his responses guide the conversation

@FIshfood500

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha. Thankyou, you cheered me up with that joke

@buubaku

Жыл бұрын

He's got an unfair advantage in that he's objectively in the right

@mato4334

Жыл бұрын

@@stevebryant6483 there is no logical reason or argument against veganism if you consider yourself a ''good'' person.

Ed's calm and rational demeanor is otherworldly man. I get heated just listening to their arguments, but he just sits there, listens, takes their arguments to their logical conclusions, and they flounder with the cognitive dissonance. It's amazing to watch

@frogface66

Жыл бұрын

He’s the Mr Spock of the vegan movement, operates on pure logic.

@FIshfood500

Жыл бұрын

The man is a complete fool. Doing what he does for money

@andreszarmach554

Жыл бұрын

@@FIshfood500 go off queen

@Carnemexada

Жыл бұрын

If logical consistency and anti-speciesism are so important to vegans, why is veganism logically inconsistent and speciesist?

@wa6184

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Carnemexada name a logical inconsistency and a case of speciesism please to make your point. I can't think of any.

it's so hard to look in the mirror and be honest about the lies we tell ourselves.

@x-latetv-x6816

Жыл бұрын

What lies do you tell yourself?

@plienair

Жыл бұрын

@@x-latetv-x6816 That responding to trolls is ever a good idea.

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't mind using animal products. That no lie and I'm an animal lover also

@bazza5699

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. yeah, you're not an animal lover if you're paying for them to be killed.. people don't kill what they love..

@bazza5699

Жыл бұрын

@@x-latetv-x6816 I don't tell lies to myself. I used to, but I faced the mirror and made a change.

I kinda feel for this dude. Ultimately, he agrees with alot of the discussion, but his cultural attachment to meat is so strong he is unable to step over that line

@rudmad00

Жыл бұрын

his body NEEDS it.

@brandonevans406

Жыл бұрын

@Onion Dark Knight The term “troll” usually refers to someone who maliciously harasses, attacks, or cyberbullies others. They might take your words out of context, spam you with offensive content or even engage in racist, homophobic, misogynistic, or otherwise hateful rhetoric. They usually have multiple accounts to run simultaneously on each thread. They are usually single, work in low paying jobs and have only “online” friends and associates.

@CarTa3

Жыл бұрын

Dont feel bad for him. He's a hunter Hexs worse than the normal meat eater.

@jamiek2692

Жыл бұрын

I agree, he didn’t say his body needed it At first, he said he needed it, and referenced culture. I think that the ridicule he believed he would face if he went vegan and having to alter his identity was too uncomfortable. Psychologically we are so attached to our identity that we will go to unreasonable. And self sabotaging lengths to maintain it. He probably goes hunting with friends and family. That’s his tribe that’s who he sees in self as. Unpopular opinion, but I also don’t think him being a hunter is worse. He’s not outsourcing ethics and having somebody else do the dirty work. Some hunters control over population as well. And realistically, that is way better than factory farming, environmentally, and morally in my opinion

@jamiek2692

Жыл бұрын

When I’ve had people I know, try to debate why I’m vegan, bringing up things like plants having feelings, or that small animals are killed in the process of harvesting plants that I consume, and, therefore, living beings are Harmed no matter what we eat .I ultimately say it’s the path of least harm. I believe people are gonna do whatever they gonna do, but with compassion and rapport, we can have conversations that change peoples minds, the focus should be on less harm. If someone wants to eat animals once a week, instead of every day, that is in the right direction. So if someone is choosing to hunt and kill one dear, where there might be over population, rather than buying dozens of factory farmed animals, that is also heading in the right direction. I have never started a conversation about being Vegan. And every conversation I’ve had has been positive and left the person feeling good and interested in heading in the vacant direction. vegans will gain so much more traction if we approach conversations like this instead of aggressive condemnation. I certainly don’t have Eds amazing conversation skills. But I want to make a difference how I can, and this is really worked for me

He was so close. I think he realized how close he was to saying it and panicked. Good job, Ed. Your style of conversation is unlike any other and I’d argue the best out there 👏👏👏

@FIshfood500

Жыл бұрын

Shout in your echo chamber some more! Meanwhile us normal folk will continue to enjoy eating animals

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

Can't be that good, over 8 billion non vegans

@pinealgland6592

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. just because a majority makes something, doesn‘t mean it is morally good. And just bc a minority is doing smth good doesn‘t make it wrong. ✌🏼

@TheTonyspik

Жыл бұрын

​@animals are great food well this also doesn't have 8 billion views.

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

@@TheTonyspik Exactly he's just not that good

He clearly had a problem acknowledging to himself that he does not need to eat animals. He just didn't want to "loose" the debate.

@matthewlobban6236

Жыл бұрын

lose

@agnosticpanda6655

Жыл бұрын

That's what I got of him, too. Admitting that you're wrong and changing your opinions based on facts and logic is a strength, not a weakness. Too many people don't understand that.

@Trolloftruth

Жыл бұрын

​@Agnostic Panda he has to be wrong first!

@mrcoatsworth429

Жыл бұрын

"I feel like I need..." but he knows he doesn't really need to.

@Trolloftruth

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcoatsworth429 but still does, and always will...just like the overwhelming vast majority

You gotta admire Ed’s unwavering Zen-like calm when interacting with meatheads.

@TheSapphireLeo

Жыл бұрын

*Animal absers, since we now have vegan meat, too?

@tsikinite

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSapphireLeo there’s plant meat, it meat just food, I’m confused. I just say vegan burgers, vegan nuggets, vegan chorizo, etc.

@FIshfood500

Жыл бұрын

Un wavering nonsensical arguments

@aaronzaloum7986

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSapphireLeo coconut meat, pumpkin flesh, etc. etc.

@tsikinite

Жыл бұрын

@@FIshfood500 ur deaf

Minds aren't changed during a debate. Changing a mind is like planting a seed and watching it grow. The fertile soil is the cognitive dissonance and the seed is the logical flow. In a few years it's entirely possible this man will have changed his mind. Thanks Ed for seeing social change for what it is, centering the perceptions of the other person, and keeping your calm. You inspire me.

@skaibby

Жыл бұрын

Ed has actually changed many minds during his debates! A few actually went vegan after 15 minutes with Ed some people are just cognitively dissonant

@TheVoiceOfTimPaige

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this. This is what I was coming down here to post. Although, as Skai said below, some have gone vegan after a chat, most have never even confronted these ideas. Most have never been faced with the fact that their way of living conflicts with their moral standards. It takes time. Some will go vegan eventually, others won't. But look at what this guy was forced to face. It was brilliant. And lots of people watching this will see the same thing.

@Carnemexada

Жыл бұрын

If logical consistency and anti-speciesism are so important to vegans, why is veganism logically inconsistent and speciesist?

@collectionofatoms1876

Жыл бұрын

"Why are all of these people trying to use their agency and effort create a better, more habitable, kinder, more loving world not completely perfect at it?" - @cramitsir

@Carnemexada

Жыл бұрын

@@collectionofatoms1876 no one is demanding perfection, but how are the unnumbered wild animals killed to protect crops consistent with vegan ethics?

"Everything is bigger in Texas", yet that's still no match for Earthling Ed

@ChairmanMeowNZ

Жыл бұрын

Especially egos and stomachs 😹

@VeganSemihCyprus33

Жыл бұрын

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

@veganfortheanimals6994

Жыл бұрын

@@ChairmanMeowNZ haha, yes, I was going to go there. Everything's bigger, but very often excluding the brain department

@fernandoolmedorivera751

Жыл бұрын

as a Texan i will just say texas does have some really smart people. For example we have Nasa in Houston, we also have the 2nd largest university system, UT Austin being part of it is globally renowned for its level of education and it is so much more affordable than Ivy leagues yet still competing with them. There are a lot fo stereotypes of texas and texans that I think are pretty ignorant. Bu tyes there is also bad public education and ignorance within texas just like any other place in the world.

@Vegan_Ape_2018

Жыл бұрын

​@@fernandoolmedorivera751Nah, Texas is trash. Swallow that pride and deal with it. (One of the worst places to live)

Every third response was ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ed almost needs to put a disclaimer at his table saying 'You won't bring up an argument that I haven't heard 100 times, so you will not stump me.'

@ianthai123

Жыл бұрын

Literally 100 times

@Kyush4

Жыл бұрын

i didnt expect him to corner him when he mentioned the "smart animals" thing considering pigs are smarter than dogs, but well, he has no problem eating his dog so theres that

@minimal-vegan

Жыл бұрын

Though Kyle didn’t sit down with that intention. He stated that he "needs to know what Ed’s reasoning is for being vegan".

@Somethinghumble

Жыл бұрын

100 times per month

@myrrysmaikku

Жыл бұрын

It’s good to start fresh with each one though, that would just set the mood for a competitive debate rather than an open discussion and possibly even scare some people away 😄

After arguing in illogical circles for twenty minutes Ed finishes it off by wishing him luck on his algebra exam. Brilliant 😂

@falsehoodbasher7240

Жыл бұрын

lmaooooo 🤭🫣😅

@franekborowiec9648

Жыл бұрын

True this is so funny 😂

A big hug from Central America.

I think the key moment is when Kyle says that eating animals "is who I am." He clearly understands the logical fallacy of eating meat, but his identity is tied up with hunting and killing and he apparently doesn't want to be seen (by himself or others) as someone who only eats plants. That's probably the largest hurdle that we face when trying to promote veganism.

Great stuff as always! You're a big reason why I went vegan and then started making my own outreach videos!🌱

@biancat.1873

Жыл бұрын

Love your channel! You're an important addition for vegans to learn about outreach 💚💚💚

@leviahimsa

Жыл бұрын

Your videos are awesome! 🔥🔥🔥

@minimal-vegan

Жыл бұрын

Hi Justin 😀 About this conversation: Knowing myself, I probably could not have refrained from correcting Kyles wrong "animal intelligence order" since it seemed somewhat important to him 😅 (even though it’s no relevant trait for vegans). What do you think: might have helped or Ed was right with going on?

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

@@minimal-vegan I kept hoping that Ed would mention how intelligent pigs are, but I guess the goal is not for people to stop eating intelligent animals. The goal is for people to stop exploiting all sentient animals.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

@@biancat.1873 I agree. "Debug Your Brain" channel is the best for learning outreach skills.

Thanks Ed for all you do for the animals, the planet and for humans as well 🙏🏻

@FIshfood500

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

Makes money from youtube?

@leonardoterzani9639

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. Sure sure little troll 😉

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoterzani9639 So he doesn't make money from youtube

@leonardoterzani9639

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. If you say that it must be true, little troll 😉

That was painful to watch, hopefully a seed has been planted. At the same time as he was left speechless, at least he didn’t say how carrots are being murdered

It’s rare to have someone leave the table and actively be open to trying veganism like in the previous video, but it’s also a solid outcome to have some faced with their cognitive dissonance and grapple with their behavior + conscience. Might never know if he changes, but for a normal person it’s hard to have this sort of discussion (where he directed the arguments instead of being lectured) and not rethink things over time. Once again, thank you for your activism Ed.

@blondey3261

Жыл бұрын

Yessssssssss!!! This this this this ^^^^^^^

@robsengahay5614

Жыл бұрын

He certainly will never change because he has no moral problem with killing an animal if the intention is to eat that animal. He made that very clear. There are many people who simply cannot look beyond their culture and he was certainly one of them. Eating meat for him is so much a part of his identity and that is the case of many people particularly from more rural areas that it is an impregnable fortress against the idea of veganism. This guy’s view would be identical to almost everyone where I live in Queensland, Australia. Everyone I know here thinks that I am literally making myself suffer greatly for being vegan and cannot comprehend at all why I would do that to myself. But I am originally not from these parts as an immigrant so by definition I am open to change. The people I live amongst are just not. They are prisoners of their culture but happy to be so.

@XxFatalSaintxX

Жыл бұрын

@@robsengahay5614 it's all about planting seeds and he'll come away from the conversation with it on his mind . It's very hard for most people to change on the spot, the cognitive dissonance is too strong. Most of us here probably were brought up nonvegan and chose veganism later in life, but I think it's really easy to forget how it can feel to confront what you once thought was true and then realise that what you believe and how you act aren't aligned. Bearing that in mind helps to stay patient and guide people to their own conclusions, because even if they fight it on the spot it makes them really think instead of being lectured at and shutting down.

@robsengahay5614

Жыл бұрын

@@XxFatalSaintxX I understand all of that but sometimes seeds are scattered on stony ground and have no chance of germinating. I don’t know where you are living but where I am the culture is so ingrained it needs people to move out of it for a while at least to gain a different perspective on anything let alone something as radical to them as veganism.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

@@robsengahay5614 Kudos for being vegan in your social environment. Have you tried the free site and app Meetup for finding other vegans near you to socialize with?

Holy shit Ed! You had him speechless. Bravo brother! Amazing work as always!!

9:43 his “that’s fair” was quiet and innocent I just want to give him a big hug and say it’s gonna be alright, we have vegan ice cream and it’s delicious.

Pure gold.. my man had zero reasons and said “ I’m sorry, I have to go”. Eds face at that moment was like when you get checkmate and they flip the table.

@nattyfatty413

Жыл бұрын

Would you rather him sit there saying "I eat meat cause I like it" for another 20 hours?

He walked into this conversation thinking, "I'm gonna show this vegan!" Ed says "Hold my vegan beer."

@x-latetv-x6816

Жыл бұрын

As a meateater I could interview this meateater and stump him with the vegan speal, because he has probably never heard of veganism before, it's an easy win for Ed everyday

@pinealgland6592

Жыл бұрын

@@x-latetv-x6816 it is an easy win for Ed 1. bc morally seen he is right, 2. Ed can speak very eloquently, 3. Ed is polite and respectful 4. the meateaters know in their heart that unnecessary harm is alway wrong. So you are very right sir, it is ALWAYS an easy win for Ed, but the real winners are the animals🙏💚

@planetofthevegans880

Жыл бұрын

i doubt Ed drinks, it lowers your IQ.

@MiloMay

Жыл бұрын

​@@planetofthevegans880 Vegan alcahol free beer*

@minimal-vegan

Жыл бұрын

It’s not about winning some debate, it’s about asking if one actions align with their own beliefs/morals and sorting through cognitive dissonance. I think especially in this video, Ed wasn’t roasting Kyle or whatever, he really tried to get through to him.

That was a very interesting discussion. Once again, I am in awe at how you manage to find the right questions. This guy clearly noticed that he was lying to himself and couldn't hide it, which is why he couldn't answer most questions at the end. I don't think I would have been able to get him to agree with that much, had I been in your seat, Ed.You never cease to impress me. Thank you for this activism class!

Dude got so uncomfortable towards the end, but would not admit his blatant hypocrisy. Sadly most people are like that

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

For vegan entertainment, nothing morw

@DosAleph

Жыл бұрын

Can't explain why I can't eat my own chickens infertile eggs but they can support margret sanders vision of racism

I've run into this same thing with my friends. They will acknowledge all the arguments I have make sense, for them it's more just about the convenience and social pressures.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

Good point. He didn't want to admit that he eats animals and hunts them to continue fitting into the lifestyle and mindset of his friends who do the same. New vegans would do well to find new vegan friends if need be. The free web site and app Meetup is a good way to find them.

@SilentSzZ

Жыл бұрын

@@someguy2135 I agree that it’s great to surround yourself with likeminded people. But the points made about convenience and social pressure are really important. I think we won’t convince the masses on the moral issue alone, it will only work with 2 of the three, or unfortunately maybe even three of the three. While cognitive dissonance frustrates us, it’s still a real phenomenon that lots of people fall into.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

@@SilentSzZ We have a long way to go, but we have made a lot of progress in terms of convenience. It has never been easier to be vegan. It has never been more important either.

3 months vegan 💚💚

@CarlosAugustoScalassaraPrando

Жыл бұрын

💚🌱🖤

@watch-Dominion-2018

Жыл бұрын

nice one 😸

@ReverendDr.Thomas

Жыл бұрын

Good Girl! 👌

@Alex-qb2es

Жыл бұрын

@leonardoterzani9639

Жыл бұрын

Best decision ever 💪🏼

Ed is an astonishing human. His politeness, curtesy, patience, calmness and love equals to the wisest sage. A modern day Zen monk.

@MaterLacrymarum

Жыл бұрын

That's a low bar you're setting there.

One of the best I've seen from you. You definitely planted the seeds of doubt, which is sometimes the best we can do.

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

Seeds tho

@earthpart3

9 ай бұрын

@@rondarkman. losers tho

That chap did not know how to reply so he found the excuse that he had to go, but Ed, you definitely made him think! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

@planetofthevegans880

Жыл бұрын

Thank God he had his phone as an excuse to leave. The look on his face was priceless, though.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

He didn't want to admit that he eats animals and hunts them to continue fitting into the lifestyle and mindset of his friends who do the same. New vegans would do well to find new vegan friends if need be. The free web site and app Meetup is a good way to find them.

Thanks for being a voice for the animals, Ed! 🐷🐮🐔 Let's change the world together! 🌍🌱

@donolonisa5787

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for increasing my desire to eat meat, I mean deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus 🥩🍖🍗🍗🥩🥩🐖🐓🐖🐓🐖🐓🐖🐓🐖🐓🐖 meeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaattttttttttttt 🥩🥩🍖🥩🍖🍖🥩🐖🐓🐠🐟🐔.

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

Voice of the animals lol

@veganism

Жыл бұрын

@@donolonisa5787 Thank you for taking the time out of your busy day to watch Ed's video and taking the time to read my comment and write what you feel is a thoughtful response. Even if we disagree, I gotta hand it to you that youve done mroe than even my own family members would be willing to do. You were willing to at least listen to what we had to say and thats a big deal! So thanks for that!

@veganism

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. we are the only voice they have

@donolonisa5787

Жыл бұрын

@@veganism Yeah Ed is a looooooooooooooooooooooooser Because no matter how much he tried, he failed to stop me from eating meat, I mean deliiiiiiiiiiiiciouuuuuuuuus 🥩🍖🍗🥪🦪🐙🦞🦑🦀🦑🦞🐙🦞🦑🦀🦐🐠 Meeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaattttttttttttt 🥩🍖🍖🐖🐓🐖🐓🐖🐓🐖🐓🐖.

He tied himself into knots with his verbal jujitsu. Great to see you back.

I love eating animals. All my homies love eating animals. Animals are delicious. Nothing beats a good beef burger with some ranch sauce and a side of coleslaw. OMG this made me so hungry I'm gonna go get a big fat juicy steak and a side burgher loan and eat it while I watch this video. I'm gonna pause and come back when I finish my burgher cause this is a very interesting video that I want to watch. Thank you for the amazing content, I really enjoy your totally not manipulative and wholesome content. You are the best ed. P.S. I too like dogs as much as you Ed. I really....really do.

@divingdown6173

Жыл бұрын

Based ludi

@KubalaChannel

Жыл бұрын

Mushi mushi

@ahoskova7591

Жыл бұрын

Now I want a steak too!

@afaultytoaster

Жыл бұрын

Do you have autism? That could explain your inability to empathise

@RachelNitsche

Жыл бұрын

@@afaultytoaster autism is not a lack of empathise. I have autism AND I am a vegan. Please educate yourself about autism.

His reaction reminds me of when my buddy confronted me with my actions as a meat eater 6 yrs ago. Hopefully he'll think about his actions and do the right thing.

I feel like I'm in the exact same position as him. Like on one hand I wouldn't tap on a glass aquariums in the back of Wal-Mart because it scares the fish and they're much more sensitive to that sound because they're in water, but when I see a piece of catfish on a plate my mind simply refuses to make the same moral connection. Logically I see it now, but like he said: "I don't FEEL like i have a moral obligation to not eat animals." It's a very weird inconsistency to have and it bothers me. I haven't felt this conflicted and unsure of my own rationality since I deconstructed from religion.

@iamthepinkylifter

Жыл бұрын

your feelings of conflict make total sense since it sounds like you're in the midst of a second deconstruction, this time aimed at your carnism. having been through it: the two experiences are *extremely* similar.

@King_Kenlee

Жыл бұрын

the only logical step is going vegan!

@numivis7807

Жыл бұрын

It’s a great start! Even after I started being vegan it probably took me another year to really fully connect it. For me it was easier to just be vegan, a little bit like a challenge and read lots of books, watch videos etc often to remind myself why I went vegan. Because even then when I saw or smelled animal products I could not make the connection. Now after more than 5 years I never crave it and really don’t find anything non vegan appealing because the connection is there.

@aalu...

Жыл бұрын

I ask myself the question, "Would a truly good person knowingly choose to unnecessarily hurt an animal for pleasure?" I always reach the same answer, even without threats of eternal damnation. Best of luck to you.

I live in Texas, my husband was born and raised here. This conversation would closely mirrors conversations I've had with him and members of his family so closely it's eerie. Eventually, you run into someone's cognitive dissonance, and it's very strong with some people, as the video shows. At that point, there really is nothing else to say. It's so frustrating, but I also get it on a certain level, because I used to be the same way.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

He didn't want to admit that he eats animals and hunts them to continue fitting into the lifestyle and mindset of his friends who do the same. New vegans would do well to find new vegan friends if need be. The free web site and app Meetup is a good way to find them.

@mvs9160

Жыл бұрын

For me, it would be exhausting without my husband on my side. You can be proud of yourself! And remember that you are never alone 💚

I hope it gave him something to think about later, but really I'm glad for the impact these debates have for the audience who can stumble onto these videos and learn a lot from watching them

good to have another ed video . we all love you bro . .

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

Cult much lol

@mcc5295

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. cry today, cry tomorow, cry everyday until them (fatherless) tears dry. lol

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

@@mcc5295 Tears of joy when I cook a 6 week baby pig mmmm yummy 😋

@mcc5295

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. what are you doing? I thought I told you to cry more today, cry tomorow and cry everyday until them fatherless tears dry 🤞😭💀🤣....then maybe I'll become your daddy and buy you a nice vegan wellington and a tramadol for the chest pain.

@numivis7807

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. you’re so embarrassing it’s funny

It's funny how we make ourselves look and sound stupid because we don't want to admit we are wrong.

@Trolloftruth

Жыл бұрын

But first, us animal consumers have to be wrong!! Which we aren't!😘

@numivis7807

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. LOL you really created this account just to troll on vegan videos? Nothing else to do?

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

@@numivis7807 No not just ,but vegans do amuse me

@fizzmoe9846

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. How pathetic. I hope you’re not an adult because your behavior would just be embarrassing. You can’t even take a second to realize that there is a serious moral concern here, no matter what side of the fence you fall on, so you take to childish trolling just to get a laugh out of the thought of frustrating others. Never mind your eating meat, you’ve revealed who you are morally as a person just from that behavior. You can’t even be decent and respectful to fellow humans. Grow the fuck up

@DosAleph

Жыл бұрын

Rhats true I see democrats crying BLM but they defend margret sangers vision

Love your work Ed! I bought two of your books already, once for myself and one for my girlfriend! 🌱

@VeganSemihCyprus33

Жыл бұрын

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

I'm surprised you didn't call him out on the idea that livestock being "less intelligent" justifies violence our against them. It would have been a slam dunk to point out that pigs are just as intelligent as dogs. Nonetheless, excellent debate Ed. You're an inspiration to animal lovers everywhere.

@bhavikasicka7871

Жыл бұрын

True. The Nazis put mentally handicapped children in concentration camps using a similar ableist argument -- that the lives of those deemed "lesser intelligent" are worth less. The argument should be about sentience, not intelligence. I believe Ed is aware of this, which is why he uses the word "sentience" instead of "intelligence." He only pursued the intelligence line of reasoning because his argument was pursuing that line of reasoning, which Ed knew would eventually reach the conclusion "but kale is less intelligent than a cow," single-handedly refuting the carnist justification for eating cows over dogs.

"I just don't care, I want it" that's the only real reason. People are like that, at least the majority

this guy will be vegan. he just doesn’t know it yet. i was probably the same at my first encounter with AV. Even told the guy „veganism is just too extreme, but maybe i will become vegetarian someday“ 2 years later i was allready 100% vegan and doing outreach myself. great job ed, thank you for your work

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

I hope you are right, but I doubt it. He didn't want to admit that he eats animals and hunts them to continue fitting into the lifestyle and mindset of his friends who do the same. New vegans would do well to find new vegan friends if need be. The free web site and app Meetup is a good way to find them.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

When I met my first vegan, I asked her "Where do you get your protein?" I was so ignorant. She didn't do outreach; I was asking her out for dinner.

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

Even if he try's it 84% he will return to meat

@withgoddess7646

Жыл бұрын

I doubt it.

@schmassbinder

Жыл бұрын

Nah, his friends would make fun of him and he would be seen as less of a man. He doesn't have the mental fortitude or dignity to stand up to people.

I appreciate that the guest understood the arguments and the position he got himself into. I think the last hurdle for people is attachment to ego -- afraid of how they'll look if they don't defend their worldview. EDIT: holy cow just got to the part around 17:20 where Ed calls this out

@patpopov

Жыл бұрын

Holy mushroom!

He seems like a nice and reasonable guy. Good discussion. Thanks again for your work and for sharing, Ed.

@VeganSemihCyprus33

Жыл бұрын

The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 💖

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

​@@VeganSemihCyprus33 I make the connection with animals every day on my plate ,it's glorious

I can see clearly how veganism will lead to a deeply better reality. Thank you Ed, you're a huge part of the revolution. I am now 5 years vegan. Go vegan for the animals and the earth . ✊

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

A delusion nothing more

@melitrophium

Жыл бұрын

@@rondarkman. an entire account dedicated to trolling 💀 get an actual hobby, go outside... this is just sad

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

@@melitrophium I work outside its all good

Yeah, respect to this guy. He has such a war going on internally.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

I give him credit for not retreating earlier.

Thank you for speaking up to animals, Ed 💚

Thank you ed for giving the innocent animals a voice. How you remain patient is beyond me 💚💚💚💚

That was painful, but he seems like a kind and thoughtful person.

@thejoshiclesofjoshua8372

Жыл бұрын

He wants to portray himself as that but he certainly is not ha

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

@@thejoshiclesofjoshua8372 True. What people forget is that the people being interviewed are not inclined to be honest about what they really think. They know saying things like "I don't love all animals, actually, some I consider up for torture and eating" is going to make them look bad. Some truths of society can't be spoken. Women want men with money, men want good looking women. Neither of them is going to admit "I am superficial" but that's still what they really think. Once you realise this, you can acknowledge humans are simply cruel, it's in our nature. That's why vegans are outliers and exceptions. We simply don't want to admit this.

@Masilya111

Жыл бұрын

I dont know if kind is the best word. He kept saying what he felt was best for him, saying things like beating an animal is bad because of the person it makes you seem to be, not because the act in and of itself is cruel.

@MP4_mafia

Жыл бұрын

​@@MustardSkaven you didn't need to jump to a naturalistic fallacy. People aren't inherently cruel, apathy is learned and often an overcompensation for other deficiencies.

@planetofthevegans880

Жыл бұрын

@Zen Ape Define "kind and thoughtful." We may not have the same dictionary. FFS He said he'd eat his own dog.

"We as people are above animals"... The point of being above, of having civilization, is to protect those more vulnerable than ourselves. Being greater, we have a greater responsibility.

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

That's the downside. We are making humanity weaker.

@nattyfatty413

Жыл бұрын

Humans are animals, so it's a nonstarter

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

@@nattyfatty413 Nobody here is using "animals" in that context but you. Try again.

@nattyfatty413

Жыл бұрын

​@@MustardSkaven Yeah. Everyone here is using a word disingenuously. That was my point. Now you can try again and this time without anthropocentrism and argumentum ad populum

Oh Ed … ❤ Thank you, for your unwavering passion for all animals. Much love 💗

What a frustrating watch, you bring him all the way to the point of agreeing with you on literally everything and he *still* refuses to concede his actions are unjustifiably immoral

@TXRhody

Жыл бұрын

The only true conclusion would have been for the guy to admit that selfishness drives his actions. He agreed with everything Ed said but just values his own wants over the preferences and interests of animals.

@christophed8936

Жыл бұрын

It can be hard for people to concede things like that on the spot, but Ed's done a great job at planting seeds and that guy's never going to think of eating meat in the way he did before.

@7drunkenmermaids431

Жыл бұрын

​@@christophed8936 That's exactly what I was thinking too

@FIshfood500

Жыл бұрын

That’s because they’re not immoral

@CollinHeist20

Жыл бұрын

@@FIshfood500 lol

Based on his summary at the end: - I _need_ to eat animals because it's what I do. - I _choose_ to think the animals I eat had a happy life until I killed them/paid to have them killed so I don't feel _guilty_ for killing them. Although he didn't concede anything, I think he knows he was being illogical. Hopefully he'll ponder this some more and conclude he needs to change.

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

What if he is simply okay with animal abuse but isn't honest about it cause of both the camera and societal stigma?

@thebowandbullet

Жыл бұрын

@@MustardSkaven That's quite possible too.

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

​@@MustardSkaven I'm ok with whatever you want to call it. It's my food,

Well done, Ed.

"Bye Kyle!" Seeds planted. Ed, you are legend.

I wish there was a way to count how many "at the end of the day" we hear in these videos hahaha it's kind of funny how often these statements pop up and it's usually followed by something in the lines of "I get your point but I just don't want to change". Looking back before I was vegan, I think I used to say similar things to myself to stop the reasoning that would lead me to change my habits and views. Anyways, great work Ed!

@legohandsliz

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Lol. That and "it's a lifestyle" No moral justification. Just an admission that that's how they want to live. We all default to that when we don't really have a better reason.

"WE AGREE ON EVERYTHING".... BOOM... WELL DONE brother. No disputing.. TEXTBOOK example..

Thank you Ed. I love your compassion and empathy for the voiceless animals 🙏✌️♥️♥️♥️

He claims intelligence but cows are more intelligent than dogs and pigs are as intelligent as 3 year old human children. He should be eating dogs, then. Lol

finally a new earthling ed video!!!

@ReverendDr.Thomas

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶 The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals” shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩 Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture! “I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”. Mr. Ed Gaunt, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐 kzread.info/dash/bejne/haBpqdKxfLvUpaw.html Go to the 8:15 mark.

18:27 "I... objectively do not need to eat meat. I do feel, in my situation, the way I eat and the way I live my life, that I do." 🤡

"whilst the arguments against veganism may not pass the sniff test there is no reason why your armpits shouldn't" - Ed Winters, 2023 has to be your best quote by far

@KingsMom831

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@x-latetv-x6816

Жыл бұрын

Why do you have to argue against veganism in order to not be vegan?🤔

@walter....

Жыл бұрын

@@x-latetv-x6816 Because that is a debate about morality and most people would like to think they are not doing something immoral?

@nattyfatty413

Жыл бұрын

@@walter.... Vegans dismiss a lot of arguments because their bases for claiming meat consumption is immoral talks themselves into a corner and they start deflecting

@thegrinderman1090

Жыл бұрын

@@x-latetv-x6816 Because it's logical to think through the ethics of an action BEFORE committing it. Or do you just go through life doing whatever people tell you, with no philosophical framework for your own beliefs? If you were a subsistence farmer, that would totally reasonable. But since you're on KZread watching veganism videos, to not assess your own actions at this point would be wilfully ignorant and selfish.

Thanks Ed, as always you are an inspiration. been vegan now for 1 year. (i was raised vegetarian) I was looking on youtube; how to better argue against meat consumption. Stumbled upon your videos, and turned me and my mother into vegans.

Hey Ed! Hope you’re enjoying your time in Texas. HEB has a ton of vegan options and despite the stereotypes Texas is a great place to be vegan.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

I can confirm. I went shopping there while visiting my brother who lives in Texas.

@christoskoutsis5955

7 ай бұрын

Texas loves meat and Texas is not the ideal place for vegans

@christoskoutsis5955

7 ай бұрын

Texas consumes a lot of meat

People have a hard time admitting that they kill animals for taste pleasure. I hope he will contemplate & realize how his own values goes against his actions.

Austin TX has some great Vegan places

@ReverendDr.Thomas

Жыл бұрын

How can a location make the MORAL decision to be vegan? 😬🤔😬

@watch-Dominion-2018

Жыл бұрын

@@ReverendDr.Thomas get off the jesus juice there bud

@sarahdeshay1394

Жыл бұрын

We have lost some recently but overall it’s a good market.

@hexiy_dev

Жыл бұрын

@@ReverendDr.Thomas goofball

@watch-Dominion-2018

Жыл бұрын

@@ReverendDr.Thomas what do you think, judging from my channel?

He understands. It’s actually quite beautiful. He’s struggling with the contradiction between his actions and what he knows to be true in his heart and all the cultural indoctrination and normalization of animal consumption. I think the next step in leading people is to give them emotional cover for making the switch. “It’s not your fault that you believe that. We have been taught from a young age that it’s okay to kill some animals for our own purposes. Just know that it’s okay to rethink what you never had a choice to believe.” Then reaffirm their humanity and mirror and then make the ask. “I think you understand this dilemma and I think you’re a good person. You seem to get it. You’re just fighting the cultural indoctrination right now. Look I totally understand that. I went through the same process myself. I think I knew in my heart that it was not right what we do to animals unnecessarily. But why not challenge yourself and give it a try for a week or a month?”

@radiocorrective

Жыл бұрын

This is perfect! Absolutely facts.

@SHA256HASH

Жыл бұрын

Beautifully said!

much love ed , thanks for the video

I am so grateful for your logical, calm way of approaching activism. I get so caught up in my emotions, your way of debating and your kindness are such inspiration. Thank you for your work to advance this info in the world.

Ed is such a master of his craft - when the guy says 'I would eat my dog if I had to', most people would immediately lose their minds and the debate would spiral out of control, however Ed calmly nods in agreement 😅

@melitrophium

Жыл бұрын

Would they...? I mean I too admire his calm and patience in keeping up the debate when the "opponent" just stubbornly refuses to concede, but I feel like I know very few people who would actually spiral at that statement... and they're all over 55

@adamprotz

Жыл бұрын

@@melitrophium that's lovely to hear you know lots of people who aren't upset by the notion of killing and eating their pet dog

@melitrophium

Жыл бұрын

@@adamprotz upset, yes. They would care, even lot. But freaking out? Not at all. The amount of people who are basically desensitized to these statements (including me) is large... and kind of scary

@susannadanner906

Жыл бұрын

​@@adamprotz Haha I get where you're coming from, but to me it's kinda like cases where people had to resort to cannibalism to survive. Unimaginable, but not something I would freak out over in a debate, yk?

Murikkka, fuck yea! We're all a bunch of Cartman(from South Park) here. "Respect my authoritah!" Everything is bigger in Texas, except for empathy, compassion, and intelligence. 🤣

@TheSapphireLeo

Жыл бұрын

With a history of gencide of the indigenous, Africans, and animals, what do we expect from them?

SQUIRMING... ... My hope is that he will watch this in the privacy of his own space and realize that he was shown a mirror, he was confronted by his OWN truth and then saw VERY CLEARLY that he was PERFECTLY called out on his hypocrisy... PERFECTLY.. GREAT WORK

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

My truth I have no problem killing animals for food

7:40 “I don’t have a great response for that”, buddy you don’t have a great response to anything being discussed. Calling someone a product is not an excuse. If I came up to the table and called your left leg a product and said I’m hungry I think I will cut it off of your body to eat it wouldn’t make it moral.

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

Animals are not someone. By definition, someone is a person and by definition, a person is a human. If you have a solid argument you don't need to abuse language.

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

​@animals are here with us, not for us Let's see what Cambridge says: "something that is made to be sold, usually something that is produced by an industrial process or, less commonly, something that is grown or obtained through farming" I don't think my leg was grown to be sold. I'd have to ask my parents since they produced it but I'm pretty sure their end goal was not to have my leg sold. So, no.

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

@animals are here with us, not for us "something that is made to be sold" Is the core requirement for it being a product. The definition also states it could be produced through growing. So it's important to know whether my parents made me to sell parts of my body, which would qualify them as products. "anyway, are you saying that something is only a product if it was manufactured with selling in mind? you cannot decide to sell it after it has been kicking around for awhile?" Yes, cause then it becomes a good. We go to Cambridge again: "things for sale, or the things that you own"

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

@@MustardSkaven The English language is dynamic and changes over time based on common usage. Dictionaries add new words and change definitions based on common usage. Even the definition of "a person" is subject to change in the context of debates such as the one we are discussing. "The term "person" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2510(6) to mean any individual person as well as natural and legal entities. It specifically includes United States and state agents."-U.S. Department of Justice Jan 21, 2020

@melitrophium

Жыл бұрын

@@MustardSkaven I see where you are coming from and I agree definitions are important, but please consider that in some cases language is fluid and it evolves along with society. Strictly by definition, slaves would be someTHING... yet we agree it was a mistake to consider them property and they're actually someONE, right?

Wow u could see that guy really struggling with his moral values even though he wouldn't admit to it. Brilliant line of questioning ed once again.

Watching this guy slowly devolve into ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is at once amusing, but also frustrating.

@beccafireflystar

Жыл бұрын

i'm vegan and i thought this was very funny. We cant expect people to change their world view in one day. hahaha. They both did a great job accepting this conversation!

@planetofthevegans880

Жыл бұрын

@@beccafireflystar I thought it was funny too. The look on his face was priceless at the end, and the way he kept desperately grabbing his phone to save him.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

He didn't want to admit that he eats animals and hunts them to continue fitting into the lifestyle and mindset of his friends who do the same. New vegans would do well to find new vegan friends if need be. The free web site and app Meetup is a good way to find them.

I like how he uses “that’s a loaded question” instead of “yes, you’re right and I can’t admit it”

I don't think I've ever seen anyone find themselves in more of a cognitive dissonance, especially in the middle. Great job, Ed, amazing as always!

Thank you so much Ed, you tried so hard to have him comfortable enough to be vulnerable and accept that what he does to animals is immoral. Your calm non threatening voice, giving him time to speak and think is very respectful and respectable. You’re talented.🙏🫂🥂

@rodionraskolnikov3853

Жыл бұрын

Where is morality defined?

“I have a problem with eating animals if it’s not necessary” Ed: “do you have to eat animals” “Well no but I don’t really have a problem with it” I wanna bang my head against the wall 🤠

@rondarkman.

Жыл бұрын

Do you have to use electricity?

A great conversation. I hope this will make him reflect and question his habits in the future. It is so hardwired into our brains to eat meat. It’s just what people do.

hi and many thanks ed for this very powerful, thought provoking conversation. as a meat eater i am finding the reasons i do this are getting less and less justified. thank you for your wise words and guidance. kind regards.

@ellastewart5747

Жыл бұрын

same thing happened to me when i found Ed a little over 4 years ago

@numivis7807

Жыл бұрын

Amazing that you’re here watching the video! ♥️

This really felt like a deprogramming session that was almost successful.

Killing a less intelligent being seems so wrong to me. It’s kinda similar to killing a baby. You’re killing a completely innocent thing that’s never done anything wrong in its life and it’s always an animal that’s weaker so you know it won’t fight back. It’s just cowardly, wrong, and disgusting. It triggers an almost motherly instinct in me to protect the animal, the same way I feel if I see someone mistreating their kid or an abused child or puppy. Obviously seeing a human baby getting tortured is more upsetting than an animal but that’s because we’re humans and we should care about our own first but that still doesn’t mean we don’t have room in our hearts to care about animals too.

@TheSapphireLeo

Жыл бұрын

Or babies still have more universal awareness and until trauma gets to us and gives us potential amnesia and we lose memories of every lifetime we have ever had?

@MustardSkaven

Жыл бұрын

" it’s always an animal that’s weaker so you know it won’t fight back." So would you be okay with a man killing a Cheetah that fights back?

@gear2902

Жыл бұрын

​@@MustardSkaven I mean, I don't think anyone would be upset if someone defended themselves against a wild animal. Depending on the situation of course.

Thank you for doing outreach and debating at my former university (TXST '22 Graduate)! Good to see you're showing TX some love and giving us whack-o's a chance.

You can tell he has no idea how amazing vegan food can be. A head of lettuce? Please

@nattyfatty413

Жыл бұрын

If it's not spinach then get out of my face

@emetatron

Жыл бұрын

Please. Raw kale or bust.

Thanks for another video Ed!!

I’m actually to the point where I would rather starve than eat an animal. I see it the same as eating a fellow human and I just can’t.

respect to this young man for coming to this conversation with good faith!

I so admire your patience Ed. There's no way I could do what you do. I would lose the plot with all these people. The selfishness of humans is beyond words.

"Kale is less intelligent than a cow" Well said

@planetofthevegans880

Жыл бұрын

I think kale would score very low on an IQ test.

@someguy2135

Жыл бұрын

I still remember seeing cow brains in the display case in the meat department of a grocery store as a little kid. Now that I am vegan, I would rather eat brain food like Lion's Mane mushrooms than eat brains as food. lol

@helpimlost.62

Жыл бұрын

Kyle or kale 🤔

I’m glad you didn’t let him off the hook. Well done Ed

I must say the Texan fellow is amazingly respectful. He said He understands He's in a bit of a circle but He likes his meat. I think He's an amazing guy. I'm mostly plant based but still have occasional meat. I do love the animals and growing more water from meat. I have incredible respect for Ed. I think we all can have honest caring and respectful dialouge. We should not be one side against another but learn to understand each other. I applaude Ed and the Texan for his genuine personality, being himself and what I think a TRUE Texan is! Humble, caring, respectful and willing to dialogue. He's a model Texan!!!

Another amazing debate, Ed. You always manage to remain calm.

Great video as always Ed, very interesting topics

Dude said "I see where you're going with this" and he's the one steering the conversation lmao

He felt like he was caught in a ‘’circle’’ that’s cos he run out of ‘arguments’, nothing else! 🌻💚🌎✊🏽