I'd love to hear your experience with 3.23- especially Vulkan!

@alexanderdooley5833

Ай бұрын

if I was cool enough to try it out I would!

@saleseng

Ай бұрын

CIG is collecting money from the little guys but building the game for the whales that can afford $2000 PC set up as evidenced by higher and higher entity accounts and the CPU load something needs to be said because this is blatant abuse of the player base while they publish minimum spec stuff that it’s just not realistic at all🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@saleseng

Ай бұрын

CIG needs to be held to account because they are collecting money from the little guy but building the game for the whales that can afford a $2000 PC set up. Higher and higher entity counts and continued double and tripling down on the so-called minimum specs🤦🏻‍♂️

@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue

Ай бұрын

The last update is better for me with regards to stuttering and the train ride at Lorville wasn't quite as insane. You still have to mind the gap at the spaceport station though!

@sodiufas

Ай бұрын

New "no replication layer" test, kinda explains a lot.

Reference clouds makes a noticeable difference in some areas based on footage I've seen. Probably not worth the performance hit, but I like that they've named it reference.

@CitizenScott

Ай бұрын

Yeah it’s basically screencap mode

@XxXnonameAsDXxX

Ай бұрын

It is like when you buy a 100k sound system in your home cinema because your 10k atmos setup wasn't enough of a flex.

@Empty12345

Ай бұрын

​@@CitizenScottHopefully someday it's usable

@Bepop-dc4zd

Ай бұрын

They've renamed it photo mode now which makes sense, only for screenshots really until maybe the next gen of high end cards.

@Empty12345

Ай бұрын

@@Bepop-dc4zd Or just better game optimization, upscaling & framegeneration.

Reference setting for clouds would make for some great screenshots. Maybe a good benchmark for the 5090 one day.

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Yeah screenshots is a good point actually! I'm not sure even a 6090 will be able to cope!

@Shypa

Ай бұрын

9090

@paulklein8556

Ай бұрын

Honestly reminds me of photo mode in Elite dangerous. It's making the fidelity so fine its not really something you run. You just use it to get tge best capture.

@fivestarcollector

Ай бұрын

I get 70ish fps when I'm not cpu bound with reference clouds at 3440x1440p with dlss off, with dlss on I go back to being cpu bound around 90ish fps in some areas. Reference clouds are playable, just probably not at 4k

@Bronwyn031

Ай бұрын

@@Shypa More like GTX 105090 or GTX X5090.

Medium water sim looks pretty good tbh

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Yeah I agree- not sure there is much need to go any higher than that.

@Vandius24

Ай бұрын

@@tenpoundfortytwo If you're not flying in third person then there's no point in using it at all.

Reference cloud settings was probably added by the guy who made the cloud shader as a flex setting, not actually intended for use - I know i've done it before lol

@RJMStraya

7 күн бұрын

clouds are horrendous in SC. Needs addressing but like a lot of things, it's been years and they do very little.

That blurry HUD issue has been popping up for a while now. I've noticed it a lot with the Constellation series. Hopefully this issue with DLSS is the push needed to get it fixed. I'm also looking forward to seeing what Vulkan does once they get the multithreading part working and fix some of the bigger issues that they would have found with wider testing. I hope it makes it in this PTU cycle.

Nice, was looking forward to hearing your initial take on the new additions. :)

Oh man I've been waiting for your vid on all the juicy new 3.23 stuff. I need to hop on and do some testing myself and see how it runs ( been busy trying to finish up the Overdrive missions ). Great vid as always!

Thanks for taking the time to do these tests

Yeah this 3.23 patch has reminded me so much of 3.18 because I have been trapped at NB on microteach because elevators don't work. Or can't get off the train because its spinning off into the nowhere. And the 2 times I did get to my ship the ship exploded in the hangar. I'm holding off on EPTU and waiting for it to go to live. Its just to frustrating to test right now.

I really hope they fix the ui bluriness when using upscalers by the time the patch goes live.🤞🏼🤞🏼

Good title, straight to the point, no wasted time on explaining the whole update, great video.

Thank you for doing these tests and sharing your observations with us, your time and effort is very much appreciated !

@Whiskeyagogo519

2 күн бұрын

I agree with him Thank you !

In the limited testing (5800x3d, 4080 Super, 64 GB RAM, 980 Pro SSD) I did, I also noticed a "small" uptick in FPS with the Vulkan renderer. That being said; the other thing I noticed with Vulkan (and I'm not sure if it just seemed that way), was everything looked a little less blurry / or seemed a little more crisp. I'm not sure if that was real or imaginary, but I think I'm gonna do some OBS recording and look closely.

@lenni-hazels

Ай бұрын

I also had that feeling. I couldnt' quite tell if i had more fps though, I only tried area 18 so far.

The blurry flight HUD is a thing I've already encountered a lot of times in the PU, so I don't think the super sampling is to blame here.

@v1nigra3

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah we’ve had thT one for long

@jwonyoutube

Ай бұрын

Correct, this isn’t upscaling related 👍

I've been waiting for this video! Thank you! I can't wait to see the next one when CIG improves things

I dont think the UI blurryness is an issue with DLSS per say, I had this a lot in the Vulture and Buccaneer loaner when it released. would not be surprised if that bug came back considering the blurryness looks identical to what I kept getting

@billc7356

Ай бұрын

100% ^. I have this same issue without any upscaling. In fact it will come and go in my Sabre by just moving the zoom level back and forth. UI bug, not an upscaling bug IMO.

@jwonyoutube

Ай бұрын

This is correct, it’s not upscaling related, it’s existed long before 3.23. The quick workaround is to tweak your FOV settings a few degrees

@whendarknessfalls6969

Ай бұрын

It's an issue with your game res, monitor res, and the character focusing in and out.

thank you for all this testing. this really helps!

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

You're very welcome!

Thx for doing these hardware tests!

Thanks for doing all the testing on our behalf.

thank you for the video. I look forward to getting to play 3.23.

Strange, I wasn't aware of these performance issues before Vulcan was introduce - I believe that was only this week. I do wonder if the Gen12 changes to support perhaps Vulkan but of course also feed Direct11 are the real reason for the stutters. Certainly if this was a problem prior to the Vulkan update patch, then I'm sure we would have heard more about it. It was widely known that the Vulkan update was introducing performance problems and they are trying to get closer to the DX11 performance which they are quite clearly not there yet. Once this is achieved, they then can open up the taps to harness the CPU threading capabilities to the render pipelines which should see Vulkan and the Gen12 renderer perform much better.

00:00 Intro 00:16 Performance Disclaimer 00:40 Clouds 01:35 Upscaling 03:02 Entity Counts 03:36 Render Thread 04:18 Water Simulation 05:19 Vulkan 06:50 Minimum Spec Test 07:51 Conclusion

Greatly appreciate your work my friend.... good input

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Much appreciated

Great stuff, man! Thanks for sharing with us! I also hope CIG doesn't rush things to the PU, 3.23 is such a massive improvement that it's worth the wait.

The way DLSS works (and probably other scalers) usually ignores UI elements so the rendering team have some piping work to do in order to help the UI elements being rendered at native resolution again.

well fuck here's to hoping there's a ton more optimization to be done at landing zones because under 50fps on that kind of system makes me a sad panda. water simulation makes up for it nearly 100%, that is awesome

Excellent review. Can't wait to see this come down the pipe

Can't wait. I test SC after every PC Update with another Account before testing. Even years ago, i5 4690K/FX 8320E + R9 280X and DDR3 said no. Then, RX 6600 came in. No, not with these CPUs. i7 8700+DDR4 (slow bois and only 16GB) came in. GPU and CPU said no for 1080p UW. Now. I am now on Ryzen 7600, 32GB RAM 6000 CL30 and RX 6800 non XT UV+OC on 1440p UW. I hope this will finally work somehow. :D

I play at with 13700k and 4090 at 3440x1440. At hurston, above the clouds, the reference setting had the same FPS as very high at around 60 fps (already CPU limited). So in that scenario with that hardware, the additional option made sense

Thanks for all the work 👍👍👍

When you enable upscaling in SC, do you need to change your resolution, or does the setting dynamically manage that for you?

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Setting does it for you!

Excited, now we just need to optimize

Let’s go! Another patch from cig that took a long time to get here and made hardly any noticeable changes. 🔥

By the time the game is released I'm sure the RTX 8080 will run the reference clouds just fine

Man I have been waiting for you to upload this video lol.

Hi, great videos! Im doing a pc build specifically for star citizen, do you think i could use the ryzen 7 8700g at 1080p with the clouds off. Using really fast ddr5 and lots of it? Tia.

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

A very good question! I've not tested it, so can't really say. From what I can see I might struggle at 1080p- you might need to drop to 720p. Any reason you're not getting a cheap dedicated GPU?

thank you for your video. I want to now wich software you are using to mesure the minimal fps ?

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

CapframeX!

WOOO, ive been waiting for this vid!

Thank you for testing it all! I can't wait to jump in and see what my 6900xt can manage. Too bad the performance isn't there yet.

@nahbro3240

Ай бұрын

32gb 6000mhz ram i7 13700k with a strix 4090. Still runa like ass flakes at 4k.

5:31 The fact that Vulkan is optional heavily suggests that the game can also run on DX12, which means it would be compatible with Xbox, considering Xbox‘s more open future

I can foresee multiple testing videos with all the 3.23 new features

Ive been waiting for this video since w1 opened and vulkan came out!

High hopes for CIG, seems they are actively pushing for some solid improvements and content to go along with the updates (in theory). Hope 3.23 comes when it's ready and somewhat smoothed out. Can't wait!

I realy hope the activate the multi threading sooner than later.

with vulkan and FSR 3.1 frame generation could be possible.

2:40 I think these menus are rendered live as a seperate texture and then displayed in game, I assume that the upscaling setting is erroneously setting the render scale of those textures lower as well.

Reference settings are kinda what they sound like, a reference, you spend time getting it to look or act how you want, then you spend time optimizing and giving multiple options and choices, but you want to be able to refer back to your initial reference after you spent a week faffing with it to make it run faster to check you haven't just ruined it in the process, I would assume it's not actually intended for use or production release.

Hey, i like your videos, they are very informative. I have a system with a 5900x and a 6800xt and am thinking to upgrade... would a 7900xtx be a noticebly upgrade or should i save for a full system upgrade? .I play on 3840x1600 LG Ultragear 165hz. Thanks for your time!

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Glad the videos are helpful! I imagine at that resolution the 7900xtx would probably be better than the 6800xt, but there would still be parts of the game where the 5900x was the bottleneck. If it was me I'd probably save towards a new am5 system! With upscaling coming in 3.23, I'd try that out to squeeze a bit more performance from your 6800xt before you make any decisions.

@DimitrisKarapavlos

Ай бұрын

@@tenpoundfortytwo Thank for your reply, i will wait until 3.23 goes live and decide. I am also leaning on waiting until the next gen is out for an upgrade, so far 3.22 live is very playable for me. I hope 3.23 proves to be the same atleast.

Your performance tests are really valuable and interesting, thanks for doing them! Quick q, I run at 1440p on a 3800x and 3070, 32GB DDR4, if I wanted to get a noticable increase in SC's performance, should I be looking at jumping to a 5800X3D? Or do both CPU and GPU really want a boot?

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Sorry only just saw this! 3070 should be good at 1440p (especially with the new upscaling options). A 5800X3D would be a noticeable upgrade vs the 3800X- it's either that or a whole new MB, RAM etc for 7800X3D!

@cytokynesys

Ай бұрын

@tenpoundfortytwo Thanks for the advice, just one last point, you reckon an X3D upgrade would still have an impact, despite (according to nvidia's overlay) my GPU is often at 100% util whilst the CPU tends to sit around 40/50%?

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

@@cytokynesys I should help in the cities, and just in general with the 1%lows but you could also use some upscaling to get some more GPU headroom.

The thing I just realised about the water effects, after planting my ship into the briny like you did, is that it is only for other people to see. As the player it is nigh on impossible to see and appreciate.

For me the MOBI UI was not sharp when I used upscaling 2k to 4k. That was a few days ago before Vulcan was in settings. I’ve switched to my 1080P monitor now though. I’ve got a 5600x 32 Ram and a 3060 12GB which runs the game great in general.

Is it worth disabling hyper threading with a 7800x3d with Vulkan trying to eke out every last bit of performance until they add multithreaded rendering?

@tenpoundfortytwo

7 күн бұрын

An interesting one! Probably not, even though Vulkan isn't multithreaded yet, other parts of the engine (and windows) will use the extra threads. I haven't done any proper hyperthreading/smt testing for a while so I'll add it to the list!

Oooo would love to see some CPU bound testing with the new upscaling. Whats the new min spec CPU? Of course after the updater is stable -ish. Love the vids still.

I have been waiting for this! Consensus from other testers on here seems to be a slight performance increase in Vulkan. Which is a nice surprise given that they haven't touched performance stuff (just focusing on feature parity). I want to see them really push things in terms of performance. Better clouds is always nice. Eventually we can brute force some of this stuff years down the line. I plan on playing these gamesfor many years after release.

I don't know why so many people say that reference clouds / photo mode doesn't change anything... The clouds looks way sharper and don't have the pixelated effect anymore compared to very high. Performance hit is still way too hard with that and I prefer it on very high.

What is your opinion on the i9 11900 for Star Citizen? its the best cpu i can put on my mobo rn (and i really didnt want to switch platforms for now).

what the heck did I do wrong. I saw no improvements when I launched into the EPTU. The clouds still looked like how they use to and I was still getting 25fps just like before I upgraded to the latests and tried out vulkan. Neither the CPU or GPU were at 100% usage.

I'm excited for dlss because now I can us nvidias DLDSR to go up to 4k( I usually go to 3k ) on my 1440p monitor and use dlss to upscale. I get about the same performance for a much crispier image.

Could an optimized Vulkan (multi-threading) make the 7950x3d perform better than the 7800x3d in star cit?

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

It's a good question! Currently the 7800x3d isn't really close to being maxed out on all cores, but we'll have to see what the full version of vulkan does. I'll definitely be doing some testing to see how many cores SC will use!

2:30 this book has nothing to do with upscaling. It's pretty much completely random and I've been getting it for the last 2 years that I've been playing the game. If you move your character's head so that you are not looking straight ahead the hood will clear up. I have no idea what causes this

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

That's very interesting to hear! It was only an issue for me with upscaling, but I'll take another look- thanks!

@jwonyoutube

Ай бұрын

@@tenpoundfortytwohe is correct, this is a bug with texture loading and old ship hud elements using Flash still. You can temp fix it by adjusting FOV settings

Hello, Thanks for sharing ! I advice you to take "more" and différent shot of the cloud. POV too. Think like a photographer, not a technical guy only. You can compare sunset, différent meteo, différent planet, you will have "noticable change 👍 Lightning give life tona picture. (3d infographist talking 🥳)

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Yep I completely missed the fact that reference clouds will be great for screenshots!

I'm hoping for a may-june release so we can hit the summer with all the new goodies! Have you considered testing SC on linux? The latest Arch/Manjaro is always nice, and the new Ubuntu release is around the corner. It might be worth a shot once the stable is out. It's not uncommon to have 5-10% uplift with linux+vulkan because you can really limit the background processes and laser focus the system on efficient processing.

Ref clouds were added for one simple reason. It's the replacement for the Crysis benchmark.

i have a i5 8400 and it performes ok in live hopefully threading improves it later.

I hope one day CGI adds a self run standardized performance test to the game, so we can just run it and have a reference to help optimize our hardware and software for fps.

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Hopefully one day!

This "getting blurry" thing isn't a DLSS problem. I already have it sometimes in 3.22 but it disappears after a few seconds and the picture gets sharp again

Cant wait to check vulcan impact on 3.23 live once free fly is over😂 Any dates on when they are enabling multi core rendering with vulcan?

Looking forward to seeing a comparison video hopefully they fix it all I do worry they will rush it, since Invictus is close but lets hope

HDR option seems to be disabled in Vulkan :/

Using Orison as the benchmark for viewing 'reference' clouds is probably the worst zone due to the color palette. Microtech is a much better example to experience the visual difference, imo :)

i have these UI issues everytime in live when flying the MSR or any other crusader Ship as soon as i use headtracking for a while - so i don't think that this is actually an upscaling specific issue

Thanks for putting yourself through the tests LOL I hope one day you can say " they have done it 60fps in all the cities and landing sites lol .... Ok I'll wake up soon

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

One day!

Hey, im thinking about to buy this game but stil not sure about performance, im trying to play medium setting on 4K. I have 3080 12gb and ryzen 5 3600 with 32 gb ram, i know its not the best combination but how many fps do you think i will get on heavy/dense place? Thank you.

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Hey! There should be a free fly event coming up fairly soon that will give you a chance to try it out for free- so I'd recommend that. The 3080 can't hit 60 FPS consistently in most parts of the game at 4K in the current live patch- but there is DLSS support coming in the next patch (3.23) which should go live this week. So your GPU should be fine! Your CPU will hold you back in certain parts of the game- the cities you should be around the 30 FPS mark. At some stage you could think about popping a 5800X3D in your system, but like I said at the start, I'd highly recommend trying it out for free!

@wutais

Ай бұрын

@@tenpoundfortytwo hey, thanks for the reply. Okay ill try during that event. I mainly only interested in the ship combat so I doubt i will spent much time on the ground but thanks again for the answer!

Also an important point is that multithreaded performance is off so we aren't seeing true parity yet when it comes to parallel computing. The bug fixing is the focus right now. Then they'll implement multi threading support. Which is where the big gains are going to come from.

Clouds get funny artifacting when using DLSS in other games maybe the higher quality reference clouds with DLSS on solves that?

great video! you could test Lossless Scaling Upscaling to see if the blurry UI goes away with nvidia algorithm, but i suspect is a game problem not related to dlss

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Good idea- I'll add it to the list for when 3.23 is live!

It's a massive pain in the arse this latest patch, lots of hitching - even in space.. on sunday before the vulcan patch i came across a American server that was running at 30fps server frames, it was crazy smooth

i have a rtx 3070 and a ryzen 7 5800x and 32gb ram. i get 15fps when i fly down to microtech ground level... even with vulkan and dlss quality. changes nothing for me. 3.22 i had over 100fps nearly everywhere

on a 5ghz cpu and 3090 I have never seen a single fps difference between max and min settings, I would be happy if the settings just started making a difference of any kind

I got a Ryz5 5600X unlocked at 4.7Ghz boost when needed that said with a RStrix 4070Ti OC Edition with 12GB 192-bit GDDR6X I am definately cpu limited! (I plan to upgrade to am5 cpu's and motherboards when the next come out but until then) I wonder If I will struggle and if Vulkan and DLSS will help me with my lobsided build!

I think you were looking at the wrong kind of clouds to notice the quality difference from reference. Those clouds were indistinct period. You needed to look at fluffier clouds. It definitely looks better and may ultimately be okay for high end cards using upscaling and frame gen.

Thank you

Small mistake: CIG wrote in the monthly report that Vulkan reduces load on the CPU and specifically said that the load on the gpu stays the same. Cool video 👍, that deserved an Sub👍

Please make a Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs i7 13700K comparaison with Vulkan when multi-threading will be enabled. Multi-threading will possibly change everything as the 7800X3D has 8c/16t and the 13700k has 12c/24t

I've been relying on dlss at ultrawide on a 3080ti so hoping for decent frames now

The flight hud going low res is in game now, has been for a while, no idea what causes it. I'm assuming it's unrelated to upscaling just the game being as buggy as ever. Well, the hud in general needs a lot of updating, and fixing, no idea when or if they'll ever get around to it.

Refference, sounds like dev mode, and IDk, for screenshots maybe. Doesn't meant to be played with, just by the name of it.

thankyou for all your testing!!! I'm running a 5800x3d with a 7800 xt and 32 gb 3600 16 ram . SC runs really well even my 5700x3d with a 7600xt 32gb 3200 16 computer runs it almost the same. But i didn't get a 3d chip untill i watched your videos and so glad i upgraded my am4 systems (one day i'll be able to get am5 or am6 :P) Keep up the great work!!! Oh could you do a video on overclocking ram maybe?

Do you think DLSS is useful even on 1080p setup ?

@tenpoundfortytwo

7 күн бұрын

It will depend on the components, but I'd probably turn it on. Should at least allow you to play with the clouds settings.

I cannot get Vulkan to work. Crashes on startup. After yesterday's patch, my performance has been really good.

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

AMD GPU? Cig has mentioned that the latest driver has an issue.

What about server performance?

Nice runthrough. Slightly concerned about turning on Vulkan with single thread reliance.

so basically outside upscaling programs like Magpie are still better than the ingame option at this time

My ship hud does that weird messy thing from 2:30 right now on live lmao

@tenpoundfortytwo

Ай бұрын

Interesting!

@RobCoxxy

Ай бұрын

@@tenpoundfortytwo happens if I've been using the mobiglas in pilot seat. Really weird. May not be directly tied to upscaling at the core issue causing it but it's definitely exacerbated by its use from the feedback I've seen on 3.23, far more prevalent.

@grahamindustries64

Ай бұрын

It’s been happing since 3.20, at least for me. It’s not an upscaling issue, it’s probably just a UI issue.

@xxdemon121xx2

Ай бұрын

In the connie its awfull

I think the slow PC was just lacking the necessary RAM?

EPTZ/PTU i have 20 less frames wich dropes me from 40avr to 20 frames. I5 12600k - 3070 8gb.

Well its called Reference for a reason - I guess that's the target they're aiming for look wise - now they're working on the performance

Mercy.... Clouds are insane

Very different results comparing the AMD CPU’s to Intel. Seems like they’ve really fixed the multithreading problems with the Raptor lakes, had to uninstall Lasso and noticed about a 30% performance increase on the 13900k. Finally gpu bound by my trusty old oc’d 3080