A fun part for me is the fact you can hear each other during the test drive.

When the owner gets his car back, I would be interested in his reaction to the Testarossa! This is definitely a better car now .

@suhailkhaan

10 ай бұрын

The owner's patience is legendary

@markwellington1254

10 ай бұрын

That's for sure@@suhailkhaan

@SS-yw7vo

10 ай бұрын

If he does get it back

@florider_hd

9 ай бұрын

@@SS-yw7vowhy shouldn’t he?

@SS-yw7vo

9 ай бұрын

@@florider_hd Take it easy. The guy doing the videos is enjoying the car

Hats off to these guy’s. This is the future for all cars.

Incredible, informative episode. I think when classic car owners who are interested in an electric conversion, they'll certainly be swayed by watching this.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍😀

You said “It's shockingly good!”🤣🤣

Love the "Wacky Races" mural!

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

That was pretty cool. 😎👌

@giulianomarco

10 ай бұрын

Yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah! 😁

20:51 "I mean, it's SHOCKING how good this set-up was..." Fnar! 😁

Great to see two experts in one video .looking fwd to the next testing thrash 👍

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, more to come 👍

Hats off to you. I love the Ferrari design and the power of electric motor which has a lot less maintenance. You going to have a lot more business!

Like Singer and Porsche- improving on 'perfection'

Loved this one. Can watch engineering vids all day long. Well explained, Cheers

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍😀

I just love it when you guys collaborate on projects, bringing the best of the two worlds. And, like an idiot I get to learn more about suspension today. Thank you and all the best to both teams.

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

I really enjoy this channel. I wish you guys had a location in the U.S.

@spudproductions7606

9 ай бұрын

Thanks👍👍

@ianmangham4570

6 ай бұрын

We have ships 🚢 to send you whatever you like 👍 🇬🇧

Brilliant job mate! Can't wait for the next track episode! Cheers from Portugal!

It looks so beautiful, even after so many years.

The 'Teslarossa' is now 'bang up to date' with its technology. What seems to be left of the 'Ferrari' DNA is the styling inside and out.

@geirmyrvagnes8718

10 ай бұрын

Which in 2023 is the important and, by far, the best part. The original is slow compared to modern sporty family cars, like a Tesla Model Y performance. That just doesn't suit the stunning looks.

Thank you. we'd loved to have seen your ride home. thanks.

This was a great episode, it makes you want to go out an install active-ride on pretty much any vehicle. The weight savings must have been 20+ kg as well i reckon...

Great video and great series up to now! I think it would be amazing if one day we could see a bog standard Testarossa vs the Teslarossa go around the track back to back in the hands of someone like Ben Colins 😂

@ElectricClassicCars

8 ай бұрын

We have that planned. 😉👍

You should talk to the other Richard (Mr Rawlings) who’s attempting something similar to your Teslarossa over at GMG in Texas. You could teach him a thing or two!

I can't remember a tutorial about suspension that was THIS good! Excellent! I'm even more excited for your Teslarossa! It's ready for the owner to drive the tyres off it. Looking forward to seeing that. Aloha!

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍😀

wow I thought you would just do some mild tuning and you get this amazing setup. What a car you are creating this is amazing. I think a lot of people would be very interested in driving it.

Brilliant episode, thanks. Simon is great, obviously passionate, creative, and inventive. Learned a good bit, thanks.

Money well spent. Looks like it's really coming together. Thanks for the vid and taking the trouble to fully explain the process..... Jim Bell (Australia)

You mentioned near the end, that it can even react to a pothole drop. I suggest that would therefore reduce stress to all the suspension parts, and probably extend their expected life as well. Great video ✅

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Good point. 👍😀

@dougowt

9 ай бұрын

Not just the suspension parts, the chassis, trim etc will be getting an easier time of it too.

Stance is everything. Car looks awesome. Great way to save these old dinosaurs. 550lbs?

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Close on the lbs. 👍

@Raymund-Swales

10 ай бұрын

Probably a little higher, with the weight....

Bangor Shocks, Swansea Shakes, Harlech Rocks! 😁👍

@JockeSelin

10 ай бұрын

The real McCoy!

The active suspension is one of my favorite features of my 2004 R230.

This video is so informative, I have learned so much so thank you. Suspension has come such a long way since the days of Bilsteins all round. I do dread to think how much this system would cost but you could definitely see the difference in the car when you were setting it up on road test. Fantastic, thank you.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍👍😀

Funny that Williams F1 had this tech on their cars a couple of years after the Testarossa was built. Just an amazing car. What a difference you've made to it without actually changing the car!

@ole-martinlundefaret5876

10 ай бұрын

The active suspension on the Williams (first Lotus), was much more advanced in concept. That was a proactive suspension, this is a reactive/semi active suspension. If you want anything similar in a road car, Citroen Xantia Activa would be the car. But this system is also very very cool 👌

@rushja

10 ай бұрын

@@ole-martinlundefaret5876 ahh yes the Xantia, that was a ridiculously complex car!

One of my dreams, holy shit. I love it

what a system! I want one. Another great video thanks. Must get a price for my hillclimb car.

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

We have fitted kits to a number of hillclimb cars. I have run the system on my Caterham Busa hillclimb car !

Found this Playlist by a coincident - You guys did a very good series with great details. Thank you for sharing. The Testarossa was that supercar when I was an teenager. Your Project is quite fun to follow. Well done, subscribed to your channel immediately. 👍🍀 regards from 🇨🇭

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard!

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Glad you found us 👍😀

Love your content, hope one day to buy one of your kits or cars!

Hi Richard. Love your work 👍

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Wow! That is now a completely modern car...

@francesconicoletti2547

10 ай бұрын

They may have kept the tape deck

Brilliant video!

I’m a petrolhead but man! I would love to have a daily driver classic supercar

Awesome mate, good vid.

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great project. Great viewing.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍😀

Very informative, thanks

Really.... shocking. Heh! Thanks for sharing this information with us, Richard. 🙂👍

Excellent :)

Impressive !

Great one guys, good into to what this type of system can do

love this semi active damper technology

Great series . Thanks.

@ElectricClassicCars

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Okay, track day! Can’t wait!

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Coming soon 👍😀

Great video guys

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

A really impressive setup! In terms of the what determines the spring rate of a coil, it is not just the wire diameter, but also the number of active coils (more is softer), and the diameter of the spring (larger is softer). The trick is to have the wire alloy and heat treat so that it can handle the stress of the smaller diameter and few active coils to handle the travel. That is where springs like Hypercoil make the difference. In terms of the challenge, my guess would be 750 lbs.

😮Amazing suspension 👌 what a car 🤠🤟

Such a cool car, way better than any modern Ferrari

that some real good content keep it up

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Hi Richard, just gave a like as I watch...

Fantastic new suspension! Looks like fun. My guess on the spring rate. He said it was a Indy or Formula 1 car. I would say about 950#. Great content as always!

Excelente trabalho !👍

Is there suspension with this technology on the market to retrofit regular cars, mainly for more comfortable rides on very bumpy roads? Not necessarily super high end race-winning technology, but more budget friendly for comfort? I am really into comfort. Honestly my Poor Man Solution so far has been changing comfort with my tires / lower tire pressure. For example driving with a little less tire pressure in cities with a lot of tramways, cobblestones, etc. I am also thinking about getting smaller rims so i have more rubber. Additionally I hypothesize that some tires ment for heavy SUV's, with extra puncture protection are stiffer overall and lead to less comfort (but I am just a regular person without specialized knowledge).

Richard I've heard another anti-ev doozy, perhaps you could cover it in an episode. I took my RWD Model Y into the tyre shop to fix a slow leak, one of the tyre shop workers was adamant that if they didn't hoist car properly the hoist would sever the high voltage cable and kill someone. I knew that was complete rubbish but had to check the owners manual once I got home to comfirm. Turns out I was correct, and some tyre shop workers are stupid.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Like any other car, they need to lift on the recommended jacking points. 👍😀

14:45 I'm going with 600 lbs/inch, for a round number. Wild guess, as any variation will have a large effect: quality of the steel, diameter of the wire, windings (5,5 Vs 6), etc.

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

We have a winner 🏆

@TheJAMF

10 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars Seriously? Not a 650 or a 550, or a number in between?

@superchickensoup

10 ай бұрын

Wow that's not much difference to what some people run on their DH bikes 😮

@TheJAMF

10 ай бұрын

@@superchickensoup But the spring/absorber combo on a bike are near the hinge, where in a car is nearer the wheel. The lever effect, as if the spring was in the jaws of a pair of pliers, but you get a lot of travel at the end of the handles of the pair of pliers and less pounds per inch traveled there.

I wonder how smooth the ride would be with active suspension on a comfort setting, fitted into a VW-Syncro CamperVan.

Would be a good technology for the Tesla Cybertruck, with its long suspension travel and higher centre of mass.

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. It’s for similar reasons we have kits for LR Defenders and Merc G wagons!

Thanks! Suspension, always something I'm fascinated by, because I find it difficult to get my head around... RE: spring rating, I'll guess at 1500 pound...

Who would have thought that Ferrari would use cheap shitty metal for their springs 😂😂 Ferrari exemplify the Emperor's new clothes

I'm not sure on the broad appeal, but I think real gear-heads that understand the promise of EV conversion for classics would go nuts over a Citroën DS 21 ‘Majesty’ conversion.

The subtext to this seems to be that, despite the price, some of the engineering on the original out-of-the-box Testarossa was a bit -crap- basic.

@francesconicoletti2547

10 ай бұрын

Old , maybe ?

How great it would be if Tesla would install such suspensions on Model 3 and Y.

Shame there isn't a two thumbs up button

What brand of shock system did they put on it? He said there made over here in America? Great video.

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

The springs are made in the USA (HyperCo) the shocks I believe are from The Netherlands (Tractive). 👍

@mikejf4377

10 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars thanks very much.

Avete trasformato un'opera d'arte meccanica Italiana in una lavatrice!!!

Are you going to do a Ferrari Dino-mo?

Hi! Good job on the suspension. It would be interesting to see the power consumption of that system. New subscriber here. 👍 Keep up the good work.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Welcome 👍👍😀

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

The damping system uses up to 10amps. Max 2amps per damper when in full soft. The controller and screen take the remainder.

I would not kick that set up out of bed!

I spotted one of your own guys in there. Was he training to fit the suspension system in house? I remember him from the TV program. I'm sure Tractive are Dutch, they make shocks for motorcycles also.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

That was Tony, workshop manager. Yes they are Dutch 👍😀

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Correct. The very same valves go into BMW S1000 bikes. 200k each year a made for BMW.

thanks! this is educational to me! only now realized this is like electrifying the damping system! does electric damping work with air suspension?

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Air suspension still has a damper. It’s the spring that is air!

I'd be interested to know if that setup saved any weight from the original? Also another 0-60 time to see if there's a measurable improvement. Great stuff guys!

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

The new suspension was much lighter but sadly we didn’t weight it. 👍😀

My answer to the “rating of that mini spring” if there is just one on each corner of a 1000kg race car, I would say 250kg or (approximately 550lbs)…

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Close, but no cigar. 😉👍

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Good guess but it doesn’t work like that unless all springs were mounted vertically above each wheel. You have to consider the “motion ratio”. - that’s one for you to go and look up.😊

I wish you would have done such a detailed video series on the 308.

@ElectricClassicCars

3 ай бұрын

Yep. We’ve done 2 Ferrari 308s. They were great cars but unfortunately they were completed before we started getting serious about KZread. 👍

@craigpayette7902

3 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars I'm doing a Tesla swap in a 308, but I am using the P100 Plaid motor. It's bigger, so the subframe gets in the way.

Afternoon mate

Hugely interesting! What was the total cost?

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Take a look at the website for similar systems. Of course there were 2 additional manual dampers and springs.

Now, there’s nothing like being controversial - “chocolate hobnobs, the King of Biscuits” oof, brace yourself for the backlash! 🤣😂

Time to do a new 0-60

I would like to know how much the new suspension costs? Thanks Peter Australia.

Looking forward to the track test. It would be interesting to have a factory Testarossa at the track to compare against.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

That’s the plan 👍😀

@4literv6

10 ай бұрын

@@spudproductions7606 don't forget we want a rematch between the new teslarossa vs the also ecc converted 308gtE! 👍🏻😎 And nobody would complain if Matt from carwow does it and of course moggy has a beetle or 2 in there for MORE fun. 😁

Have you given any thought to the idea of linking different suspension settings to the different engine settings, with a manual override. So that in "normal" situations the suspension will automatically change to match the performance of the car?

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

Ooohhhh. Now that’s a good idea. Linking the motor modes to the suspension settings 👍👍👍 game on 😎👌

@ToeKnee632

10 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars How about mounting the linked settings to a paddle up/down behind the steering wheel, so no button prodding too!

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

This is what the super cars do currently. But you will find this system adapts so fast you don’t need to change the settings. It’s already operating within a range of forces so just by driving harder it automatically firms up!

The shock-setup shocked me more than the EV conversion. Nah, impressed* compressed? Haha.

Did you weight the difference between the two systems? Just wondered what the weight saving was from the stock set up. I have a 2016 Model S 85D with the standard suspension. I've tried to get upgraded antiroll bars and an aftermarket suspension upgrade ie Bilstein, Eibach, Unplugged, but there are no options for the earlier Model S. This would be the ultimate upgrade, smart casual for long trips and fast road for when the mood takes you. And if it knocks a few kilos off the weight, thats an added bonus.

Nice, How much weight did the New Suspension Save, IF Any ?, & the Race Car Formally known as "Buffy" could do with some of that Suspension as well, I suspect ..

@ElectricClassicCars

10 ай бұрын

The race car is definitely lined up for the same treatment. 😎👍

👍

Needs exhaust tips and a sound system to replicate the V12 sound like the Mustangs and Arbarths have now. Sits well now.

@nordic5490

10 ай бұрын

Why ? Remember the rule, the louder the pipes, the smaller the penis.

Spring rate 🤔 my guess for the application you said it must be around 900lbs.

What's the difference between semi-active suspension and full active?

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Fully active would be changing the ride height and damping depending on road surface/ conditions etc. changing spring rates also. The Early 90’s F1 cars from Lotus and Williams were the closest so far.

I would imagine that the spring rating would be extremely high possibly 1000 ?

Like the Citroën XM then.

Guessing 1250lb a similar MTB one might be 500 so easily double that!

I wish these guys would take care of my Suzuki Ignis, which feels like there's no suspension.

How much weight did you lose with the new suspension setup?

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

Good question but we failed to weigh the before and after. 👍😀

I would love to do this in my 914, then I looked up the price. I think my wife will insist on a kitchen refresh before any suspension upgrades.

@spudproductions7606

10 ай бұрын

You’d tell your wife you did a suspension upgrade ? 😂😂

@dannelson6980

10 ай бұрын

@@spudproductions7606 The kids would rat me out.

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Just say it’s a safety upgrade 😂

@SimonRogers7

10 ай бұрын

Once anyone takes a ride in a system like this they won’t even care. They will readily jump in the car for a spin.

does the asymmetrical rear pair put rotational forces on the lower arm?

Enough of a weight reduction to have added any more battery capacity?

@paultodd9301

10 ай бұрын

Shucks, you beat me to that question! Just what I was going to ask.

One thing doesn't click in my head: the dual active/passive setup at the rear. How come it isn't imbalanced? My intuition tells me that the passive one is as soft as the softest setting on the active one but that's my intuition. How does that work exactly?