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@rileykilgore3724

4 жыл бұрын

I looked at the octovalve patent and it makes my head hurt. That’s what I like the most about it. I know competent engineers are working hard on these products.

@alano4348

4 жыл бұрын

enjoyed the video. what is the US patent # for the Octovalve diagrams you shared, starting at 8:38 timestamp?

@TMIOTesla

4 жыл бұрын

@@alano4348 patents.google.com/patent/US20190070924A1/en?oq=US20190070924A1

Legacy auto manufacturers: How can we innovate on dealership incentives? Tesla: How can we innovate on alloys for improving the HVAC system?

I didn't realize that's how the octovalve worked. Ingenious. Super simple!

This video really illustrates the incredible potential of innovation in physical manufacturing.

@tcfs

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Sadly, nowadays the focus moved to software innovations more than the manufacturing. Creative minds can make miracles in physical world too...

Legacy makers doomed

At 9:05, compare 1206 and 1208 and you'll see how brilliant the octovalve really is! Having the non-moving channels be wider gives them the ability to bypass the radiator in the top loop. Smart.

So many ideas that I once toyed with in my mind but then forgot keep becoming realities with Tesla. We should have city level octovalves, really. When you think about it, there's in the order of a million places in a city where either heating or cooling is inefficiently achieved, at any one moment. At our homes we heat up the air when using the stove, while the air conditioner is inefficiently struggling to remove the heat energy wasted in cooking. And your fridge fights with your stove and your coffee machine.

@MaxDesmondDesign

4 жыл бұрын

I believe that exactly that is in the works at Tesla right now. It's an humongous market that can save billions, if not more, combined. An all of it will be powered by... you guessed it. Tesla solar an batteries. 100% green & self sufficient Wonderful!

@zinjanthropus322

4 жыл бұрын

City infrastructure should not be built with single points of failure.

Saved your time 04:50.

In cold weather, the heat pump is failing on Teslas with this system. There is no liquid circuit to carry engine heat to the cabin air. There is no electric resistance back up.

Thanks for the great videos, always love to hear what you have to say.

As a mechanical engineer, the octavalve literally makes gets excited in a hot and sweaty way.

Munroe said Model Y fit and finish was as good as anyone else on the market, at any price, even though it is a very early copy. He seemed very impressed apart from the paint.

What an amazing development. It’ll take other manufacturers at least 5 years just to replicate where Tesla is mechanically now.

@ClockworksOfGL

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Mackenzie - Sandy Munro said it’s bureaucratically impossible for the domestic automakers to create something like the SuperBottle. There needs to be full cooperation between different systems teams (powertrain cooling, HVAC, etc.), which doesn’t happen in Detroit. I’d assume this applies to European manufacturers as well. The Octovalve is even more integrated, touching electronics, powertrain, heating, air conditioning, and even the self-driving computer. Other automakers don’t stand a chance.

@bluecollardisruptor9584

4 жыл бұрын

Bryan Noga I totally agree. For total transparency here I’d like to add that I’m a 22 year veteran of Toyota working in QC. Nothing we ever bring up for suggestions ever make it into future designs. I’ve given up, the worst day at Toyota for me was the day Tesla arrived to remove their equipment. We had been partners in building the all electric RAV4. Toyota’s decision at the time to abandon battery powered electrics in favour of Hydrogen was the miss guided decision which will ultimately destroy the company. In my opinion.

@ClockworksOfGL

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Mackenzie - I had heard Toyota’s hydrogen obsession came about because of Japanese government policy. In their defense, nobody was insane enough to think batteries would get so cheap so quickly. Chevy went with that crazy-complicated PHEV powertrain in the Volt specifically because their projections of future battery costs were so high. According to Bob Lutz, GM was paying ~$350 kWh at the cell level when that car came out. The cost dropped to $145kwh when the Bolt came out in 2017. This drop is happening far faster than anyone predicted.

@bluecollardisruptor9584

4 жыл бұрын

Bryan Noga Toyota followed political pressure instead of understanding cost reductions of an economy of scale. They get zero sympathy from me.

@chrisbraid2907

4 жыл бұрын

It will only take them 5 years if they haven’t the brains to buy Sandy’s reports, the development is done and it works, better / cheaper to licence the patent than reinvent the wheel ....

8:48 - The "PCB like techniques" on the heat exchanger is surely some kinda lithography on a thin plate to get both glycol and refrigerant as crazy close together as possible.

Mark 8:40 diagram illustrates four modes of the Octa-Valve. Diagram implies a common primary coolant being use. First less obvious problem is coolant leakage from (1) port to port and (2) ports to ambient. Secondary, rub and wear on seal rings between hub and 9 ports assembly. Educated guess, principle of operation : Assemblies involve - Round assembly coolant pump 1/2 - PCS the power (Voltage) conversion system. - Drive Unit, heat from motor and power supply. - Condenser exchange with cabin air. - Radiator exchange with ambient air. - coolant pump 2/2 - Chiller, heat pump and - Battery 1202 Cabin flow separate from Battery - separate hot/cold, Cabin from Battery 1204 Cabin flow combine and Battery - combine hot/cold, Cabin and Battery 1206 Cabin flow separate from Battery cold - Battery warm by Drive Unit only. - Chiller AC warming Cabin. Ambient 0C

The advantage of Tesla is he started from scratch, so he had an open blank coloring book, other manufacturers are trying to convert, so they have a lot of baggage influencing them.

@joscaca

4 жыл бұрын

Frank Nicholas Dale - Other manufacturers can start parallel projects from scratch as well. Starting from scratch confers very little advantage on its own. You need vision and the skill to deliver.

@zinjanthropus322

4 жыл бұрын

They didn't start off from scratch. I'm the beginning they were simply trying to convert a lotus to electric but eventually they realised the entire architecture of ice vehicles was badly outdated, expensive and bad for automation.

@creakycracker

4 жыл бұрын

@@joscaca Having retired from Generous Motors, I saw this first hand. Also the bureaucratic nightmare of innovation implementation in a Leviathan organization. Saturn comes to mind. And I laughed when I heard they named their first EV "Impact" - it made me think of collisions.

How is the Octovalve's configuration changed? Mechanically or electronically? Any moving parts? Does it turn? Or just open/close valves similar to heartvalves? Thanks!

@tcfs

4 жыл бұрын

4-state stepper motor mechanically changes the valves between modes...

This is such a random video. I love it.

Super interesting 🧐

Nice!!

methinks this is a smart distributor for glycol based coolant and air. I wonder if the freon compressor (ie, the heat pump) has any surprises for us also?

Why does Alameda hate Tesla so much ?

@weili1351

4 жыл бұрын

The question is how much is the Interim Health Officer of Alameda County is getting paid for this from the fossil fuel industry? Any guesses? LOL

If he comes to HVAC industry.the next distruptor starts.he has great team with space, automobile,energy,computers.he is sending rocket.the car is so easy comparing to rocket.he mix rocket technology with car in small model for reducing cost of production and high efficiency.

@chrisbraid2907

4 жыл бұрын

Not bad for some poor South African Kid Huh?

Innovation gap is widening. And their competitors are ensuring they fall further behind. Check out this bizarre fact: In Q1 2020 Tesla's revenue from ZEV credits ($358m) exceeded their entire R&D Budget for the quarter ($324m). Legacy automakers are now fully funding Tesla's widening innovation gap.

@tcfs

4 жыл бұрын

That was a genius plan from Elon!

Hi TMIO, quick error I found - the paint issues aren't because the factory is older or newer (which would imply this issue would occur in newer factories and as such be a long term issue). It is because the Freemont factory was repurposed from its GM and Toyota times (I think those were the companies, but I'm not sure). I know it might seem like I'm being picky, but I feel it has major different impacts on the sustainability of this issue.

@TMIOTesla

4 жыл бұрын

Would it not be a bit of both? I touch on this in my upcoming video, how the factory was repurposed.

@ThePaladino

4 жыл бұрын

@@TMIOTesla Because the factory becoming old should not imply production defects. Namely not within the short period of time of Tesla's lifespan. That would be a serious QA issue.

@ThePaladino

4 жыл бұрын

It is Sandy's opinion himself. I took it from the interview he did with Galileo on Hyper Channel.

If I ran a legacy automaker I would drop everything and hire young, brilliant and excited engineers.

Why is Sandy comparing an HVAC system from 1998 with one from 2020? I'm not an expert but I guess other car manufacturers have made improvement too... If not what the heck were they doing the past 20 years? ;)

octo valve would be good for housing if you ran a geothermal unit in your house

Its most certainly inspired by the circulatory system of mammals. Fascinating design, I bet the electronic management system for this is another bit of genius.

Dude you’re killing me here. You neglected to use words to simply tell us what the octovalve even does. Which, if I’m correctly hearing between the lines here, is route and re-route liquid antifreeze to/from a number of different devices, some of which generate heat or cold, and/or need heating or cooling, in different situations. Is that correct?

@TMIOTesla

4 жыл бұрын

Yes octovalve provides the connections between the stuff that generates hot and cold to the stuff that needs to be heated or cooled. Exactly what you said. They can cool the drivetrain and the battery at the same time for example. Yeah I'm not sure what types of coolant they're using, but it's similar to antifreeze. Coolant can't freeze so that's important. I gave a few examples, but say you turn on the heating in the car, the heatpump and generate heat and then the octovalve can open a valve to let hot coolant pass through a radiator and the heat be blown into the car. It just handles all the things you're used to and familiar with in your car, but in a very compact way as opposed to having multiple systems in your car for each function.

@craigrmeyer

4 жыл бұрын

TMIO Tesla Cool beans big buddy. Just note please that you didn’t just SAY this in the video. But maybe your audience are such aficionados that I’m the only one who didn’t get it until the end. And who knows what Tesla can throw into the thermal mix next, like micro-channel passive solar heat collecting hoods and trunk lids or whatever. “Deca-valve.” With the right tricks maybe the next model will heat or refrigerate itself on solar power alone as it waits in a parking lot. Keep the dog from passing out.

@donsolos

4 жыл бұрын

@@craigrmeyer mate the next line of tesla vehicles will have extendable solar panels that will only give your battery a small % boost despite sitting in the sun for hours.

@craigrmeyer

4 жыл бұрын

Don Solo One one hand we have the laws of physics, and on the other hand, a boy can still dream.

@billhanna2148

4 жыл бұрын

@@TMIOTesla Thank you that was perfectly put 🤔 could add it later it's THAT good 👍.. BTW Sandy didn't give ANY details on his video and I found your charts wonderfully enlightening 😎👍

The genius part was adding a depiction of Cthulhu. (You'll have to learn more about the runes on your own, I'm afraid.)

Nice video but so annoying with all the fishing for hitting the bell button etc. Please stop that

3:18 "Which I think really gets people excited about what's under the hood." Ummmm..that would be a frunk.

"Legacy" automakers likely have to deal with entrenched bureaucracies, turf wars, and whatnot.

@schmartz99

4 жыл бұрын

Which is why they should be allowed to die when they get into trouble instead of being bailed out. They'll be replaced by more innovative companies.

The head of paint operations got promoted 😐

the factory in potsfdam? thats not berlin in any regard. and i heard htat they dont even have the paperwork to run a cfactory there

Nice video! Maybe a suggestion for the next video, u shld talk abt Montana Skeptic and his “arguments” against Tesla, he is still continuing to write bs on SA about Tesla becoming a Chinese company and shit. Also consider his Autoline interview

@TMIOTesla

4 жыл бұрын

I had started a video on this guy, but I found myself criticising every single sentence that he said. It would be 6 hours of me calling this guy an idiot. He's actually frustrating to listen to, and he lies with every word he says. I may redo the video and approach it from a different angle.

@reich2126

4 жыл бұрын

TMIO Tesla I agree on that, the guy frames all his arguments in various ways that make it seem like he is right, but the thought process is actually faulty when broken down. Maybe u could approach it from his main points (i.e. Tesla is Chinese company, Tesla has liquidity issues) and explain why those are non-issues or less important compared to other weaknesses/ the big picture. I do look forward to yr video on him! Thanks for the response

@dr-k1667

4 жыл бұрын

@@TMIOTesla Don't feed the trolls, but if you find some way to talk about what he misses (which sounds like everything) that you don't already cover without referencing him... that would be awesome. It's time these guys stop getting attention for lying and misleading the public. By now... if you don't know who to go to for quality information... it's not due to it being hard to find.

If elon say AI is more dangerous than nuclear weapons.generally he did not speak negative about technology.if he speaks something it really matters.

Competitors want to keep you on oil and away from Tesla type cars and want you to go in service your cars cos of crappy or substandard part so the can make money of you for as long as possible after you by the car. at the price at what oil was they were suppose to pay you to own a car not the other way around

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Isn’t this patent infringement?

@chrisbraid2907

4 жыл бұрын

On whose patent?

@Botanifiles

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisbraid2907 Tesla's... Isn't Sandy openly stealing their Intel, or am I wrong about this, I'm honestly not sure and am unfamiliar with this topic

@marinabraid9525

4 жыл бұрын

@@Botanifiles Tesla have a more open model than regular Car manufacturers and I think they see Sandy as an expert to get others interested in Electric Car construction. They don’t mind competition especially as they are so far ahead ....

@Botanifiles

4 жыл бұрын

I guess they’re in it for the right reasons, thank you

@tcfs

4 жыл бұрын

No. As far as I know, analysis and presentation is not illegal. when you read the original patent application, you can find detailed diagrams, schematics and description. But recreating the unit based on the same operation rules and sell this as your own: that is a big red line...

What is octavalve and how does it work, still no explanation. I'll wait for someone to really explaining it. Bruh...

I'm all for innovation but does anyone know if this technology is actually better than conventional systems, apart from its compact construction? We can't tell if the functionality of this system is improving on conventional products or if the octovalve is actually worse but simply works best for the Model Y alone.

@andyonions7864

4 жыл бұрын

Conventional systems are a set of disparate pumped systems - for engine, cabin, etc. Octovalve integrates all the systems into one which saves cost and paradoxically, complexity.

@2nd3rd1st

4 жыл бұрын

@@andyonions7864 Sure but does it do its job better than any other conventional system is the point. Or is it only perfect for Model Y.

@andyonions7864

4 жыл бұрын

@@2nd3rd1st you need to define better. Faster, more energy efficient, cheaper. EVs do have finite power compared to ICE, which have about 30kWh/gallon. Energy efficient is king for EV. Legacy systems may be faster but they are not cheaper.

@2nd3rd1st

4 жыл бұрын

@@andyonions7864 I want to believe that too but apart from how it looks we know nothing about its capabilities, nobody has tested its efficiency yet. That's why I'm sceptical about declaring this thing superior to all other conventional systems.

@donsolos

4 жыл бұрын

@@2nd3rd1st I am assuming in aggregate it is cheaper and more energy efficent than other options. If it wasnt it wouldnt be much of a breakthrough.

You have to wonder if Tesla would ever enter the fossil fuel engine market

How is he helping, his just exposing Tesla's secret innovative technology techniques to competitors.

You do not even state what the octovalve is or does!

@TMIOTesla

4 жыл бұрын

May have said it 2 or 3 times, and I show examples at the end of the video.

Tesla could be to cars what apple was to phones, sure phones existed for some 100+ years before the iPhone. However, apple changed the game forever and legacy phone makers like Nokia and Motorola etc. were never really able to recapture what they once had.

What do all the Volkswagen adds which overwhealm these cool You Tube channels about Tesla tellya. Ahahaha. One thing is vw hasn't learned anything from Tesla yet.

Nikola Tesla was just too far ahead...way too far..........

@creakycracker

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if Mr. Tesla hadn't taken the knowledge to the grave ( or did the gubbermint get the info tossing his place after he died? ) we would all be driving vehicles drawing electricity from the Aether.

This was to be about octovalve. You lost me at paint problems, misleading use of my time!

Why don't you do a video so we can see you, would be much more interesting and compelling to watch, think it would help your channel :D

Why is Sandy wearing rubber gloves & a mask ?

@fanaticvandal472

4 жыл бұрын

cameraman

@tomtillman

4 жыл бұрын

An identity ruse. He's being chased by the California Thought police.

No one needs his recommendation!