For those of you who don't know: Scandinavia[b] (/ˌskændɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a subregion in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden.

@lzh4950

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not from Europe & I previously thought the whole northernmost part of Europe was Scandinavia, including Finland

@stephendoherty8291

3 жыл бұрын

@@lzh4950 I thought so too but wikipedia says otherwise. It didnt help the finnish that sweden used to occupy them ie no Finland. Then again I come from Ireland and geography says we're part of the "British Isles" and the England used to occupy us as well (still hold a piece)

@castor3020

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephendoherty8291 A small part of Finland is part of the Scandinavian mountain range but our culture and ancestors are quite different which makes the difference. Most Scandinavians point to the mountain range as the thing that determines countries in "Scandinavia" but that would rule out the Danish. On the other hand going by culture and ancestors then Iceland should be a part of "Scandinavia". This leads to it being confusing even to Scandinavians themselves, especially when terms like Finno-Scandinavia etc. start flying around.

@MikCph

3 жыл бұрын

@@castor3020The correct term for the Scandinavian countries PLUS Finland, Iceland, Greenland and Faroe Islands is The Nordic Countries. And politically these contries are comparable and have very much the same goals about equality, welfare, etc. So discussing this issue in a Scandinavian context more than a Nordic context is probably more a question of keeping down duration, and not saying the same thing too many times.

@prabanjanraja8108

3 жыл бұрын

I subscribed today after watching many videos

0% VAT on EV’s was just extended to 2023 in Norway

@nathanfife2890

3 жыл бұрын

If you lose money and gain a car, what value was added? It seems like it's just a sales tax? I'm interested in how that works. We don't have VAT in the US

@tieman3790

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanfife2890 the VAT is technically paid by the producer. They add value to materials to create a car. The added value is taxed. This increases the price, so it is passed down to the consumer. I believe thats how it works, but im not quite sure

@tieman3790

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanfife2890 The tax is mostly passed on to the consumer, but the business will also obsorb some of it. this explains it well: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aJWeq8dmZcmpZLA.html

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathanfife2890 You do have Sales Tax in some Stats. Yes just a Tax.

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

@@tieman3790 If the ICE car in US cots 50k, whit 0% Sales Tax. You must add 40*1.25=50K Then you need to add about 30K more in Norway and Denmark in other Taxes. Car price about 80K. Sales Tax are Peanuts. In NO and DK, a normal Salary is about 69K US.

Wow... didn't know "villa, Volvo, vovve" was a saying in Denmark as well!

@jens1567

3 жыл бұрын

I could smell this guy's Danish accent from a mile away

@robin212

3 жыл бұрын

@@jens1567 I think he’s Swedish

@Jokkkkke

3 жыл бұрын

@@robin212 because of Lund in his name?

@robin212

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jokkkkke no, because he said vovve, not vovse

@andreaschristensen9462

3 жыл бұрын

He says he's from Denmark like 30 times? Seen the video?

In Finland we have 3 issues with EV's price, range and winter. Here places are very far apart so we need lots of range and our cold winters don't help with that. My father in law who has an electric Kona gets asked stupid questions like will it start in the cold.

@fredrikvonaxelson

3 жыл бұрын

Same here in northern Sweden. Electric cars simply don’t have the range required in the winter yet.

@SergeyPRKL

3 жыл бұрын

@@fredrikvonaxelson The 2021 models many have extended range models that goes over 600km. That is already decent. Yeah, it still is pretty short in Lapland when you have only 10 major cities within 600km radius in three countries. Luckily the finnish western border is well developed regarding EV charging because the most popular winterholidaydestinations that pulls 50-100k people every week is there. Swedish Lapland is way less densely populated with EV chargingstations, i'm not sure how norwegian side is, propably better than sweden or finland.

@ristusnotta1653

3 жыл бұрын

@@SergeyPRKL isnt the range much lower in the cold because batteries dont like cold? Hope the car batteries dont act like phone batteries in the cold and completely run out of power suddenly and stop working 😂

@cv507

3 жыл бұрын

you ^^ have Uf0 xD

@DOTTORE_FOX

3 жыл бұрын

But will it start in the cold tho

in poland any car made after 2015/16 is considered "a luxury only millionaires can actually afford"

@orth0man

2 жыл бұрын

Oof, millionaires?

@xsleepy1476

2 жыл бұрын

In Latvia almost any car made after 2012 is kind of a luxury

@azizhassan8449

2 жыл бұрын

In Somalia any car made efter 1899 considered a luxury vehicle

If a Telsa is too expensive for Danes imagine what it's like for the rest of Europe...

@jsbrads1

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure how out of reach the Tesla is, it seems perception is leading behavior, not facts. There are many cost savings to EVs. Also many Danes have less need for cars so they value it less.

@trainingtimer6224

2 жыл бұрын

A Tesla is like 90 - 100k USD in Denmark due to taxes.

@michaelrocks1529

2 жыл бұрын

@blacknester I love Croatia, a beautiful Slavic county.

@TheLuis0087

2 жыл бұрын

Cars are much more expensive in Denmark than in the rest of Europe

@tiddybearkush

2 жыл бұрын

@blacknester You don't pay any tax compared to the Scandinavian tax of 72%...

"People in Sweden perceives American cars as poorly made" we do because they are ...

@someoneelse7629

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has a few American cars, you are not wrong, and Tesla is especially known to be poorly built

@baronvonjo1929

2 жыл бұрын

That's pretty interesting honestly. I always hear how Europeans think I their car brands are better but the moment they get brought to American they just cant compete with Americans and especially Japanese brands. My family has owned a few cars and by far the worst car we owned was a Volvo. It was the worst financial mistake we ever did. It was used but so has every car where have owned. It made us never want to even consider another anything from the other side of the pond. We only buy Toyota now. In fact many friends and associates always have problems with their European cars the older they get. But somehow Europeans just dont have this problem. This is why the best selling cars in America are always Japanese and American and never Europeans.

@krow4382

2 жыл бұрын

@@baronvonjo1929 As a norwegian who have owned plenty of cars I would like to tell you why we do Baron. The german cars for example have higher manufacturing and production cost because they use better materials and better educated labor than the americans. I hear you say we "think" they are better, and that when they get brought to America they just cant compete, in what way do you mean our cars can't compete? I'm not anti electric cars but let me just use Tesla for an example. Teslas have PU leather seats (artificial leather) and tons of plastic inside of them and they have faults like doors that don't line up, that annoys any european (anyone for that matter). My Bmw x5 e45 has leather interior with carbon parts, that's the whole inside including the seats, dashboard and steering wheel. It has alcantara headlining etc. "It made us never want to even consider another anything from the other side of the pond." "We only buy Toyota now." Kind of contradicting, wouldn't you say? When you say "can't compete" I think you misunderstand, we pay for comfort, that's why we indeed say european cars are better. Toyota has long living cheap cars, of course its more of a "bang for your buck", but it's also "plastic fantastic". We don't want that, plus that's not american, so what are you really intending to say? If you mean can't compete money wise, it makes sense because our cars cost more, but we also make more money. You also say "In fact many friends and associates always have problems with their European cars the older they get. But somehow Europeans just dont have this problem." Of course we have problems with our cars too, no car has zero faults. But you can't really compare a 2015 Cadillac XTS to a 2005 Bmw 7-series if you know what I mean. It's not just our old cars that has problems. With more expensive cars comes more complex engines and more equipment, all which adds up to more problems when it gets older, we know our cars, that why we are prepared for problems, maybe you just are suprised it's not perfect? In 2007 I bought a 2005 Chrysler 300C 5,7 Hemi 340 bhp, I've never had so much work done on a car ever. A lot of electrical issues and severe misfiring after only 30000 km. I'm not saying all American cars are shit, maybe I was unlucky you know. But I've owned 3 American cars, a corvette, a camaro and the 300c I just mentioned. All cars that needed a lot of work done, the camaro I even bought new. Not to say I haven't had issues with other europeans cars, but in my own experience I've had a lot less problems with the 3 Bmws I have owned, all of which I bought used (all between 30k km - 55k km old). kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJyYtNhse7GuiKQ.html ^A not so uncommon quote here in Europe, made by Matt LeBlanc.

@baronvonjo1929

2 жыл бұрын

@@krow4382 Well dang you've given me a lot to respond too. So when I say they cant compete I mean just look at the sales and look how many European brands have tried to make a foothold in NA and the had to pull out. I'm referring to all European brands here. And again in terms of competition even VW a main stream brand struggles to become as big of a player in our market because all European brands have earned a reputation for poor quality. Though for some reason the luxury brands from Europe have this weird aura that makes people who cam afford them buy them and then get rid of th after a few years. I'm not anti EV either so yeah I agree Tesla has quality issues and I wouldn't buy one. Apologies for this but I meant across the pond as across the Atlantic to Europe. That's the way I've always heard it. Not across the Pacific to Asia. So no I wasn't trying to contradict myself there. I dont really understand "comfort" from European cars that a Toyota or Lexus cant provide. My 4Runner is a base model yet has good plastics good build quality and leather and has all the comforts I want. And if I wanted even crazier comforts I could get a Lexus GX. Or just anything else. I specifically buy Toyota because it isn't American as the American brands just cant compete. I mean cant compete in terms of engineering and easy of living and the demands Americans want from a vehicle. Literally I love cars and look at them constantly and it's just astonishing how little European cars are around after 10 years. I'm serious they just fall apart and people get rid of them. I can go to a junk yard and just find a bunch of them together that are all relatively young. I cant really speak for a Cadillac XTS. But so what if the cars are more expensive? Tell me why they have to be more complicated to fix? What possible benefit is it from a consumer stand point to have to deal with needless complication when the manufacturer could literally build it like a normal car? For example BMW I hear how much plastic is used in their engines that will break down over time. This doesn't sound superior quality it sounds like cheaper materials to save in costs. And why cant Europeans with facilities in America simply make good products here? Let's take VW for example. You can see the presence they have in Europe. Peopel must love them. And I assume good quality. Yet they camt bring that quality here and their reputation here shows it. They are a mainstream brand so surely they dont need all that complex tech right? Sorry to hear about your problems qi th your cars but I would have told you not to buy them to begin with. If it ain't a Toyota, Honda, Acura, or Lexus I cant recomend it. I'm sure there are many good cars from other brands out there. Seriously there must be. But I dont got the bank account and mental will to worry about it breaking on me.

@krow4382

2 жыл бұрын

@@baronvonjo1929 Yeah that’s true, european brands have never gotten a good foothold in the states. And over the pond was meant ironic just because it’s not American :) But it makes sense, we all love out countries and regions ahah

85% registration fee. I almost spilled my coffee all over myself.

@MortenVindingSvendse

3 жыл бұрын

85% is just the beginning. if the car is one more than $33 000 you pay 150% tax (which was lowered from 180% some year ago). and on top of that we pay 25% VAT. So no wonder Tesla's are popular in Denmark. No if they only had a real backseat suitable for 3 grownup children... oddly enough, VERY few cars have that.

@pranavkumar1818

3 жыл бұрын

@@MortenVindingSvendse This reminds me of what my dad says about a time from before my birth when India was socialist & protectionist, things had similar rates + 2 year waiting period for cars. Now we are sort of capitalists & we pay around 12-14% as registration fee + 18-28% GST. Anyways the Indian gov is pushing big time for EVs here too, so they might become relatively cheaper (Teslas will still be expensive, but other brands are becoming quite affordable like Tata Nexon at $20k while Tesla will be priced at $83k+ here)

@cjmhall

3 жыл бұрын

Suddenly the $50.75 registration fee here in Texas seems quite reasonable.

@Dk-ie4te

3 жыл бұрын

@@pranavkumar1818 my father also told me about how the business world changed after we became capitalist. No one has seen that level of shift ever.

@Steinersgarage

3 жыл бұрын

Not the coffe!😭

Government: We'll give you huge breaks for buying electric. People: Buy electric Government: We're losing money. No more breaks.

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and taking away this benefit, and go back to 120% tax on cars again, will be a political career subside. The gene is out off the bottle and can not be put back (just the adding of 250dollar in annually tax, from 2021, make a big cryout (a 10k increase, be not be survivable for most politician. "Greta" culture is strong here.

@briant7265

3 жыл бұрын

@@terjesorhaug143 Yup. I know it's not the same there, but here in the U.S. the "breaks" are causing problems. Similarly there is huge pushback against changes but they're going to happen eventually. The two big ones are 1. Electric cars don't use gas. Hybrids and efficient cars use a lot less gas. Gas tax pays for roads. Gas tax revenue is plummeting. Now the politicians want to tax mileage. Guess how many ways THAT is not popular. 2. Home solar doesn't just reduce costs. Utilities "buy" your excess solar power during the day and credit that against what you use at night. So people with home solar basically don't pay for electricity. It's costing the utilities more and more, but they still have to maintain all the plant and infrastructure. So they want to charge for just being connected to the grid. Also not popular.

@clausbecker9350

3 жыл бұрын

Well, once EV sales have been kickstarted, those subsidies can be better used elsewhere.

@AniMageNeBy

3 жыл бұрын

Government: We'll give you huge breaks for buying electric. People: Buy electric Government: We're losing money. No more breaks. People: Buy cars without brakes. Government: We're losing even more money through healthcare now! No more healthcare. People: Wake up and realize they're living in the USA.

@SuperDirk1965

3 жыл бұрын

You can't expect society to keep on subsidizing Tesla's profit margin. Now it's Tesla's turn to do something for society.

5:10 as an American, I too believe European cars are of higher quality and reliablity than American cars

@MrDoItNice

2 жыл бұрын

There are plenty of shit cars made in Europe too.

@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah bringing Tesla’s factories in Europe does not change the fact that people think that American cars are really shitty

@kuuhgle

2 жыл бұрын

American build quality might be inferior, but a Mustang motor is a lot more durable than any AMG

@teaCupkk

2 жыл бұрын

Americans and Europeans used to make good cars, but also utter unreliable garbage. Then the Japanese and Koreans came, and all had to up their game or go out of business. Yeah, i'm looking at you.. FIAT.

@hypocriticalsmile

2 жыл бұрын

Quality - yes. But reliability definetely no. A lot of European cars are overengineered and quite often start to require expensive repairs in a couple of years after warranty period or even earlier. While American cars are usually simpler in design and more robust.

I live in the far northern Sweden, and I've seen more Teslas than i first anticipated. But they are not very common outside the urban areas. Meaning, Luleå (nicknamed the capital of the Norrbotten) as a small city with a population of around 80k, Teslas have become very common. But in the smaller cities, like Älvsbyn that's only 50minutes away from Luleå, Teslas become rare. And villages like Jokkmokk does not really have Teslas. This is because distances, the huge need for reliability and the base need for a vehicle exponentially increases outside the more urban areas. There are 250k people living in Norrbotten, but only about half live in cities. The rest need to drive long distances for common things like work, chopping and relatives. Teslas are reliable in a mechanical sense, and even electrical. But the battery charging stations does not exist outside our garage (they do exist but they are few). In the winter, the battery capacity is suffering and the cars are not spacey enough for the common populous in Norrbotten. Volvo V70 and XC70, is the by far most common car in Norrbotten. It starts in -30°C, survivable gas milage, good road clearance for the snow and terrain, strong enough engine, spacey, awesome safety (very very common with animals on the road here), every mechanic know everything about the cars, and so on... So far, there are no real alternatives for the Volvo up here for the commoner outside the few cities. They are too cheap to buy, repair, service and drive with too many benefits and their reputation of a indestructible workhorse is too great.

@Bregott07

2 жыл бұрын

I Älvsbyn kör alla EPA istället.

@bearcubdaycare

2 жыл бұрын

I was surprised how many Teslas I started seeing in my 8000 person town in the mountains of Colorado. I'm near a bigger city, which is part of why, but people do often go long distances to hike, bike or ski, and do many times need to go on a forest service road to get to a trailhead or home. (I used a Chevy Volt on many such roads, surprisingly effectively despite the low clearance, but if it didn't have a backup generator, I'd probably have felt wary about range.). The charging network is indeed a big thing for adoption outside the cities, and needs to be as ubiquitous as gasoline fueling stations for adoption to be practical in rural areas, especially cold places where getting stuck for long can be dangerous.

@norway3062

2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t seen a single Tesla in irl Ps I live in Karesuando

@viikmaqic

2 жыл бұрын

Im so fucking poor holy shit, I drive my volvo from 2002

if its too expensive for you guys than imagine how expensive it it for people living in east europe or balkans.

@cryisfree510

2 жыл бұрын

Im curious though, have you seen teslas or any ev in that region?

@michalwilk4748

2 жыл бұрын

@@cryisfree510 I saw some Renault Zoe

@konstantinos7480

2 жыл бұрын

@@cryisfree510 yeah I have seen multiple teslas in Greece, as well as the volvo electric Suv and a few bmw i8

@fruvita67

2 жыл бұрын

Man in serbia average salary is 350e-400e i saw tesla only once and that was some tourist i bet you can count teslas in serbia on your both hands fingers

@anthonysimmons3281

2 жыл бұрын

As a croat, I don't remember ever seeing a tesla. The tourist season, by the coast, however, is the time to scan a little more diligently.

As a Norwegian I am impressed that you know so much about our tax situation. And it was really a surprise that we are so different regarding implementation. But as it is a growing demand in the public to keep tax exempts, the politicians in Norway are looking at alternatives. And the most likely ( ; from a surveillance point the ultimate nightmare) and beloved by economists is road taxes.

@skbuydens7717

3 жыл бұрын

What politician would not be happy with a new tax?

@driedbrainfreeze2149

3 жыл бұрын

Already mumbling about that here in the States

@PG-3462

2 жыл бұрын

Norway is like Canada (I live in Canada). We need very high taxes for our roads since we have very big countries with rough terrain, and we have a little population to pay for it. If we didn't have high taxes, Canada and Norway would become 3rd world countries after a decade

@taily89

2 жыл бұрын

@@PG-3462 yeah no kidding, some roads can still be hot garbage in northern Norway even with our high taxes just due to prioritisation, it is very important

@PG-3462

2 жыл бұрын

@@taily89 It's mostly a matter of population size. For example, when I go to the USA, they have very good roads, and that's because there are hundreds of millions of taxpayers to pay for it, while in Canada we only have a few million taxpayers... Winter is also very bad for roads, which isn't helping us to have good roads

For being a brand perceived as premium, tesla has loads of annoying faults. Really takes a hit on the feel of quality.

@wouterkors3781

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah there no where near premium on some points

"I can, as a dane, confirm they are different" *brings up the Peace Treaty of Roskilde 1658*

@charlesthehandsomeandbrave2956

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no! what the danes done to you may.

I can say that there's another problem with bev's, atleast here in Sweden. And that is charging stations, ev's usually can't go as far as petrol cars, and with how sparse charging stations are in rural Sweden it's a bit difficult to travel long distances with them.

@gustavangerbjorn5601

3 жыл бұрын

In both Sweden and Finland that (long distances) plus the cold winters are two factors that will make it hard for EVs to become competetive. Most families need at least one long-range car, and so the dependence on petrol and diesel cars is hard to get away from.

@solkvist8668

3 жыл бұрын

It’s why I chose a gas car this time around honestly. I wouldn’t be able to charge the thing anywhere, and am too far away from anything for it to be helpful any time soon. That being said I hope in 7 or so years it gets more reasonable, the availability on pumps can only expand

@ihak707

3 жыл бұрын

@@solkvist8668 yeah, my dads commute to work is over 2 hours long, from Stockholm to Finspång, and he got a Volvo V60 T8. Which is a hybrid. He just doesn't trust that EVs will reliably make it, atleast after a few years of use. There are also almost no charging stations along that commute...

@donnerstal

3 жыл бұрын

@@ihak707 I can tell you that there's no problem in driving a Standard Range Tesla between Stockholm and Åre for example. And then it's -5 to -20 degrees outside.

@ihak707

3 жыл бұрын

@@donnerstal well I can tell you that our family friends won't go to our house in Vemdalen in a long range model x because the charging stations are just placed in a way that they'd have to go the long way round I'm not saying it's not possible, but it's a big deal and you kinda have to plan your trip by where there are charging stations, which is a big inconvenience

Hmm... transportation fees are not the reason for Tesla to build factories in Europe - tariffs are. The import of tariff for cars manufactured in the US is 10%.

@tapio83

3 жыл бұрын

Also you need to 'slightly' alter the design when exporting, bit different regulations.

@jvelez5381

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong.

I'm Swedish and my grandfather was Icelandic. My wife is Same Finish. My neighbor is Norwegian and my youngest sisters husband is Danish. -I like to run my car on Icelandic Vulcanol.

@hardrays

2 жыл бұрын

its good stuff

@macforme

2 жыл бұрын

Ztoritz Z: You are practically the the United Nations in that family!!!

@Finnec123

2 жыл бұрын

That's great!

@carljohantihkan2035

2 жыл бұрын

How do you get that fuel? I have never seen it around Stockholm, I only know Koenigsegg talks about it.... you don't happened to ....?

In Denmark you have bicycles. You can always buy electric bicycles :-)

@drdewott9154

3 жыл бұрын

True but if you want to go further than where a Ristet med det hele can take you, then with public transit being really bad value and unreliable and the matter of the industry here, getting around greenly is still rather hard.

@2mek99

3 жыл бұрын

@@drdewott9154 rent a car. I do not see the sense to own the car now. I leave my city just several times a year mostly using train or blablacar. If you travel every weekend it makes sense to buy a car.

@dackzy404

2 жыл бұрын

@@2mek99 owning a car is pretty much a must if you don't live in CPH. Here in Jutland the public transportation is horrible, especially if you are outside of Aalborg or Aarhus. While a bike and public transportation can get you many places (often super delayed and really slowly), it just isn't viable as the only form of transportation for most people outside of those cities

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

@@dackzy404 What are you talking about, I have lived in Jutland my entire life and don't have a drivers license, I've been able to get basically everywhere I need with my bike and public transport. It's not to say that the public transport is amazing and it really needs to be expanded but it is sufficient, though most of the time the bike is faster.

@Sofie424

2 жыл бұрын

@@dackzy404 Denmark is utterly flat, gets hardly any snow and is a tiny country - according to google maps you can bike it north-south in 20h. You can get a trailer for carrying stuff, and an electric bike if you find it too tiring. Why on Earth wouldn't you take the bike?!

A lot of Swedish EVs ended up in Norway. They were heavily subsidized in Sweden so Swedes bought them, drove them for a while and then sold them to Norwegians. And I think the Danes still remember the Ellert, that's why they don't like EV's. 😉😁

@niXta123

2 жыл бұрын

Actually after the new rules from three years ago decreased that problem substantially.

Greetings from Sweden! This explanation is right on the point. The price of a Tesla m3 is about 100,000kr too high to hit mainstream market. If the Berlin factory can produce high quality m3 with the new battery it might be the sweet spot for us Scandinavians...(and a m3 estate please !!)

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and in Norway a Model 3 do cost 399kkr and a Volvo S60 cost 570KKR. Here you need to be mad, not to buy an EV. All EV prices will fall much, fast.

@MMSaabChannel

3 жыл бұрын

No estate for you buy a volvo or saab. 😀

@zagan1

3 жыл бұрын

Tesla can't do cheap cars as they are probably kidding money on each sale now

@anydaynow01

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe this will be the aim of the cheaper Tesla coming out? I can definitely see it being built and sold in EU and China first.

@tecnoguy1136

3 жыл бұрын

@@anydaynow01 build quality on that is gonna be dogshit lmao

"important for the perception of the build quality" .. buddy, have you ever seen or been in a tesla? While teslas are the better EVs they are shit built cars. They do not need to improve the perception, the need to improve the actual build quality. Having a service network that make it any kind of possible getting spare parts are also a huge hurdle. Kind regards, Sweden

@AniMageNeBy

3 жыл бұрын

Perception is everything, as every politician is well aware.

@rok1475

3 жыл бұрын

Tesla is only 10 years old. They are still learning how to manufacture cars in large volume. VW, Toyota, GM make 10 million cars a year (each of them). They have been mass- manufacturing for many decades and know how to do this. Tesla almost managed to make 500,000 cars in 2020 and naive investors took it as a major achievement. But Tesla did show that there is money to be made in selling expensive, short-range vehicles and the big boys re-tooled production lines and will soon be delivering as many EVs as buyers want to buy.

@SuperDirk1965

3 жыл бұрын

Selling spare parts to the public would cut into their profit. Tesla is not a car builder, it's a means of generating profit. They go to extreme lengths to shake cash out of the pocket of their clients.

@cros13

3 жыл бұрын

There is a big difference in quality between Tesla in North America and here in Europe. For the S & X, only gliders are imported from the US and final assembly is done in Tilburg, NL where a lot of issues get corrected. There is also better QA on the europe-bound cars, I've picked up over a dozen Model S and Model 3, some for a friend who has a rental company and one for myself with only minor issues, less serious than I've seen with other brands like BMW. You can bet with my own Model 3 I went over every millimetre and I found no issues bar a paint drip in a non-visible area on the bottom of a rear door. It was also a year after launch before the first Model 3 came to europe and a lot of the production/QA issues were resolved by then. I've seen far more issues on North American Teslas, and I also wouldn't by a first-year production car from any brand.

@cros13

3 жыл бұрын

@@rok1475 The biggest issue there is with what batteries? None of the OEMs bar Tesla have enough supply to even meet current demand. Geely/Volvo has a shot if Northvolt gets off the ground... but they have no factory built yet and the mines in the area to supply the Northvolt factory are also still in the planning stages.

I think I have seen more Teslas in denmark in one week than I have seen in Germany my whole life🤣🤣

@leanderbuchartowski8287

2 жыл бұрын

So true!!!

@towaritch

2 жыл бұрын

In France you can see a few Teslas but they are not common you see more Porsches or Jaguars in the same price range. They are as numerous as Maseratis which are way more expensive.

Great channel. As a Swede living in the US since many many years it’s nice to find someone who has a good grasp of the American society hence the ability to compare to the Scandinavian societies. Subscribed.

@uchennanwogu2142

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean?

Thank you for this informative video. I'm from Brazil, and in 2018 I saved enough money to go the largest Auto Expo in Latin America, the São Paulo International Motor Show. After years of watching KZread videos about the Renault Zoe, I finally had the opportunity to see it, to go inside it, to touch it... It was like a dream come true. I didn't get to drive it, but that's okay. It was a good feeling to taste the future that won't happen here for at least the next 10 or 15 years, possibly more. It is always a pleasure to see that some part of the world is doing something to at least try to resolve some part of the environmental crisis we're in. Maybe I'll succeed someday in saving enough money to visit Scandinavia, Mr. Bahl, and see, with my own eyes, what you guys have accomplished so far. Keep leading in the right direction, Scandinavia. The rest of the world is watching and waiting for more of your success stories.

@karibordi2082

3 жыл бұрын

You can easily say that it'll take at least 50 years before we have infrastructure in Brazil for these Duracell cars

@karibordi2082

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoMoYOUsernames I sincerely doubt that. Question isn't the price of the vehicle. Question is that the roads aren't made for these cars. They won't last a year on these roads. Question is the electric infrastructure. We have constant blackouts even now when we don't need to charge the vehicles. Also electricity is expensive here. Third is that what do you use these cars for? Going to supermarket? Because there is no way you can get anywhere further with these cars. The overall infrastructure in Brazil isn't made to make your life easier. It's very basic and maintenance is non existent. Before we can even dream of having huge amounts of these Duracell cars we need to improve the infrastructure about 500%

@karibordi2082

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoMoYOUsernames you have the electricity price all wrong. There is missing taxes and other fees. I'd say that 1kWh would be something like 3,5 reais. Also what do you know of our terrain? If normal cars won't last how would Duracell cars last.

@j.lizbardo

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoMoYOUsernames colombian here. I think the Brazilian guy has a point. Driving through the andes mountains with altitudes of 3000m above the sea level and down and back up gain in a 100km distance makes me think that the need for petrol trucks and cars to properly distribute stuff throughout the country will be longer than 10yrs. Maybe not 50. The infrastructure grid not only on roads but electric is great as is the generation. Furthermore, the current methods of electric generation may not be as green as has been suggested and nuclear may be a better alternative. Which will also take more time and higher investments on infrastructure.

@luffirton

3 жыл бұрын

@@karibordi2082 Electric cars and infrastructure is not going to be the answer in every part of the world, It makes sense in Europe, Asia, Australia, USA, Canada, UK but in other parts it will be other technologies that will be the driving force. Hybrid ICE Cars (Cars that drive part Electric part gasoline) Hydrogen Cars, Bio Fuel driven cars. Electric is not the only technology that can help in reducing carbon emissions. Its going to need to be adopted to what is most practical in a specific region and environment and that can happen sooner rather then later, but it is much up to the governments to make it cheaper than other options, give tax breaks and remove burdens on companies when building out infrastructure, its a collaboration effort between private and public sector. Some infrastructure must be in place and it mist be cheaper before people will buy into it. It can happen and frankly it must happen in some form to reduce emissions and it needs to start long before 2050. Change takes time and therefore it must start long before the goals that are set.

No VAT on EV's is a classic reverse Robin Hood

Glad I found you and your channel! Good work!

Even in finland volvo is high quality car and volvos keep their value quite well is because it is nordic car even tho we know it is swedish but we can set that aside with cars

@emrikronsten

2 жыл бұрын

I't nice to know that the car will start in -25. Politeful volvos.

@niXta123

2 жыл бұрын

@@emrikronsten an EV doesn’t need to “start” though 😊

@emrikronsten

2 жыл бұрын

@@niXta123 I know but they are out of my budget for at least 10 more years :) Volvos are from $500 and spare parts are dirt cheap.

@niXta123

2 жыл бұрын

@@emrikronsten Yea, if your budget is $500 and your time is free, you can’t go wrong that way, economy wise.

@jome8059

2 жыл бұрын

In belgium people prefer the audi, bmw, mercedes and Volkswagen. Volvo is not that popular here

I choked on my coffee when you said 150% VAT

@suffer4fashion

3 жыл бұрын

150% registration fee... there is still a 25% VAT on top of the price of the automobile.

@nielsdebakker3283

2 жыл бұрын

Just guess one of the reasons why you do not see american cars, especially pickups in Denmark.

@danishghostrider

2 жыл бұрын

@@nielsdebakker3283 Saw a 2020 Dodge Ram 1500 near Odense the other day... So SOME U.S. pickups are out there. Not a lot though.

@Speed_7545

2 жыл бұрын

@@danishghostrider Same here in Finland, but not many! Paying ~€100 000 for a pickup truck is not very appealing

@danishghostrider

2 жыл бұрын

@@Speed_7545 Technically we do have lots of pickup trucks, the ones based on vans (Citröen Jumper, Fiat Ducato, Ford Transit etc.)

To be fair to Swedes the perceived difference in quality between a Volvo and a Tesla is firmly based in reality. If I park my Model 3 next to a V60 it looks like it has been assembled by children using nothing but hammers.

@lengould9262

3 жыл бұрын

You're either exaggerating ridiculously or have no idea what you speak about.

@anydaynow01

3 жыл бұрын

Lol! A bit of an overexaggeration but I like the analogy! Yes the Tesla is not known for high quality but for innovation and ability to grow as a company by minimizing procedures and getting to the bottom line.

@sindrekolbotn

3 жыл бұрын

The newer Volvos actually look amazing. They are getting crazy expensive though

@sinphus

3 жыл бұрын

@@lengould9262 I think you should test one out it’s lovely but the build quality is terrible

@lengould9262

3 жыл бұрын

@@sinphus Perhaps some people don't care about only panel gaps?

The world: Tesla's are so expensive Romanians: What is that Tesla?

@rookie6204

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much the entirety of eastern europe

@eduardionut9269

2 жыл бұрын

Esti roman or you chat shit

@longgo

2 жыл бұрын

Well, soon will be EV Duster from Dacia , or was it Sandero.. So why you need tesla ? :)

@Equix586

2 жыл бұрын

It is funny, cus as a Norwegian waching this i was thinking "wow i did not realise teslas where that cheap"

@rookie6204

2 жыл бұрын

@@Equix586 nordic moment

One of the big problems is the down-payment required when doing a private lease in Sweden. When I bought my Model X almost 2 years ago, the lease company recommended by Tesla - DNB - demanded I cough up 30% instead fo 20% up front. Not many people have 350,000:- lying around, and if they do, they often have other plans for it. So not a good scenario. I think a lot of Teslas in Sweden are purchased via whichever employer they have (some offer this as a tax perk - you pay the monthly lease gross from your salary). Others have them as company cars. After owning the car for 6 months, you get 60,000:- back from the governing body responsible for transport. Nice, but it still doesn’t offset the initial huuuuge cost. Interestingly, a company lease requires no down-payment. Then of course there’s the insurance costs... I’m in my 50s, zarro claims, and my insurance is a whopping 13,000:- each year. So, the issues are - the initial lease outlay, the insurance, and the MOMS (VAT) at 25%. And of course the consideration for charging the car - many people live in apartments - superchargers are not common enough, other EV charging companies need to get together and have a common method for accounting costs - because right now it’s insanely complicated, and most car parks - even in the cities, do not have public chargers. So if you can’t charge your car where you live, you are less likely to buy one.

Finland and Iceland would like to have a word with you.

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

You mean the countries that are Not part of Scandinavia?

@klauskaan6320

3 жыл бұрын

@@OBFYT Yes, those ones ... our northern brethren, widely regarded as scandinavian.

@olejorgensen1964

3 жыл бұрын

@@klauskaan6320 They may be widely regarded as scandinavian - that just doesn't make it true - they are Nordic countries.

@samuelsilver8077

3 жыл бұрын

As a Finn I totally expected that Finland would be in this video but when I heard Oliver was from Denmark I knew it was just real Scandinavia in this video. Most of these Scandi videos that I watch come from people outside of Scandinavia or Nordics so they just lump us all together.

@magnuslarsson337

3 жыл бұрын

Scandinavia (/ˌskændɪˈneɪviə/ SKAN-dih-NAY-vee-ə) is a subregion in Northern Europe, with strong historical, cultural, and linguistic ties. The term Scandinavia in local usage covers the three kingdoms of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. The majority national languages of these three belong to the Scandinavian dialect continuum, and are mutually intelligible North Germanic languages.

4:29 The Id.4 has better ride comfort(better suspension+dampeners and better sound insulation). Telsa treats their customers worse than VW.

@niXta123

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve never had VW come home to me when I wasn’t home and repair my car. Im sure they’d laugh if I suggested it. I’m glad I goat a Tesla instead.

@espencapable

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe, I think you will get very mixed experiences on that. I will never go back to VW after all the trouble I have had with my transporter work van and my 2016 passat. Recalls, waiting for months to get an appoinment, messing the car up even more at the shop etc.. With Tesla, so far, It has been a breeze! Get a loaner straight away, fix the car over the air, comes home to you, easy to get a hold of through the app etc..

Great video! Hälsningar från Sverige ! 🇸🇪

Here’s my problem: i live in Stockholm suburb and work at a place where i cannot commute, it would take 1hr15min but only 15min with car. My wife work too and we have children that need leaving and picking up at daycare etc. So far so fine, i could own an EV if i could afford one, which i can’t. The real problem is that about once per month we go visiting our familys still living in rural areas several hours drive from here. So then we would need two cars, a EV for daily commuting and a ICE for visiting family. That we certainly cannot afford. We try to save money to buy a house closer to our families so buying an EV would put us in debt for years to come and no house. All this is quite fair and square. What makes me irritated is the governments lifting tax on EVs and think this makes everyone able to afford one, but only rich people can. And on top of that they raise tax on ICE cars and diesel and petrol so that it gets really expensive to own a car at all. The CEO at the company i work for owns a electric BMW and a polestar and brags about his cheap milage, he also have a ICE to visit family and go to his summer house. He tells us others to also buy electric because we would avoid taxes and gett cheaper milage. This is really making me irritated, because he that has money, can save more money, we who turn on every crown has to spend more because we cannpt afford EVs.. it is the case of governments supporting rich getting richer and poor getting poorer. I also don’t like the fact that EVs have much shorter life span and i cannot wrench it myself but have to hand it in for maintanence and service. On top of all this i have so many moral issues with EVs like cobalt being mined by child labourers and slaves, components being made by slaves of the CCP, extensive shipping around of parts and cars and finally coal plants firing up again to support the higher demand for electricity. This whole issue is so upside down here! Hypocritic to be honest.

@kerriwilson7732

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true! Rural Canada has the same realities with the same idealistic brainwashed politicians. 🇨🇦🇨🇦

@ReasonX3

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. It is seems that the world thinks that EVs and solar/wind energy will save the world and solve all our problems. But in fact, we most likely just replace one set of problems with another one. We already have EURO regulations for all new ICE cars, which means that sooner or later any euro car won't be able to have inner combustion engine.

Tesla is a luxury brand, hence the price. It's like saying here's Rolls Royce's problem in South America: they failed to build a model that the middle class can afford.

@theXtroyer1221

2 жыл бұрын

Diffrence is there are hundreds of clocks and therefore this specific brand stands out. As of now the ev tech is still not the most wildly used. It doesnt make sense to convince people to buy a luxurious brand of something people hasent still opened eyes for. Idk my opinion

@gui18bif

2 жыл бұрын

Luxury? Mate. Tesla is at Citroen's level maximum. You want luxury? Buy an S class. A lexus. A 7 series. Even a fucking bmw 3 series is better in every way.

@schmid1.079

2 жыл бұрын

@@gui18bif The newer models arent as bad as the old ones. The interior may be simple but its not "cheap" and their infotainment system is easily one of the best. Their build quality is still pretty bad, but it has improved a lot. The biggest flaw they have is probably their chassis, which is utter garbage. Overall they lack, but in the EV market they definetly are a luxury brand.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

Sure it is, the problem is that if Tesla stays a luxury brand they will go bankrupt. Currently due to a bubble they're the highest valued car company in the world, if they do not address that and actually reach the kind of market share that this valuation should equate to the bubble will collapse and when an investor bubble collapses the value will fall down way below what it started at. You can call it a luxury brand as much as you want but that doesn't negate the inherent economics at play here that Tesla needs to appeal to the average driver in order to stay afloat. Luxury car brands rarely stay independent and are never that successful, there's a reason why Volkswagen is the true number one in the car making business, luxury cars are simply a too limited market to keep a company competitive in the car market and that's why they usually are brought up by the large manufacturers who them make it and turned into a flagship. Not exploiting a promising market simply because you're a "luxury brand" is just stupid.

@ev.c6

2 жыл бұрын

It’ll come. Electric cars are ridiculously easy to produce. They’ll become cheaper, way cheaper than today’s cars.

Personally, I see the bigger challenge in Denmark, outside the larger municipalities, to be the lack of charging stations.

@Zivilin

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, i see that is the biggest challenge too. And the range of the battery. Electric cars need to have those two factors improved to be more successful.

@user-nk5es9iy8i

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zivilin On the other hand, Denmark is the easiest country to fix that problem, since the distances are much shorter between towns and cities than in Norway and Sweden. In Norway it's common that the minimal accepted range is driving Bergen - Oslo with only needing one 15 min stop to recharge. The drive is about 470km and currently takes about 7 hours. There's no motorway between the two largest cities in Norway yet.

@Zivilin

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-nk5es9iy8i "Easiest" doesn't mean it is easy to solve however.

If they want to see Tesla above Volvo do something with the design.... this is also a key thing about Volvo! Interiors are made with passion and a feel, tesla is a slap of a display with a horrible looking interior, and the exterior hasn't improved but gotten worse

@fnnpc746

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. I'm also not the biggest fan of the exterior design. Volvo looks way better imo. This futuristic stuff isn't doing it for me. The same goes with other brands like VW.

@Conceptcreator

3 жыл бұрын

@@fnnpc746 jep. There is no passion in it at all.

@pyrokugleis

3 жыл бұрын

@@Conceptcreator tesla is just 10 years ahead in design :) volvo will get there

@Conceptcreator

3 жыл бұрын

@@pyrokugleis haha no they are not

@pyrokugleis

3 жыл бұрын

@@Conceptcreator ok you are right volvo wont get there :)

Often forgotten: Norway is one of the top 10 oil production countries in the world. No wonder they have so much money. The clean look has a downside.

@V45194

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... the typical counterargument is that if Norway did not extract and sell fossil fuels, others still would, and it would be worse if your and my petrodollars went to places like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Russia, etc., which do not give a damn about basic human rights, let alone climate change mitigation. There certainly is validity in this, but the "noblesse oblige" overtones do feel like BS.

@mendistudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoMoYOUsernames long term oil income will be reduced one way or the other. They have so much hydro electric power to be shared among a small population that fossil fuels don’t make sense locally. But if this wasn’t the case they would not be as electrified as they are.

@lendoggtheking

3 жыл бұрын

@@rok1475 is it better to be a hypocrite or an unashamed polluter?

@lendoggtheking

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoMoYOUsernames it just makes me think of the things britan could have done with north sea oil under different leadership!

@lendoggtheking

3 жыл бұрын

​@@rok1475 I think it’s better to be clean in your own country and export oil to the world than it would be to be dirty in your own country and export the oil! Of course the oil exporter must bear some responsibility for the harm his product causes but it is the customer who chooses to persist in consuming and polluting when there are perfectly viable alternatives available! Perhaps Ironically it is in part due to the demand for EV’s from Scandinavia that Tesla has established it’s European operation, bringing down costs for its European customers and applying pressure to the established manufacturers to provide their own quality EV’s. Sometimes it feels as though you come under more criticism for taking a meaningful step in the right direction than for having not bothered in the first place!

Great video, although I'd take a few other things in consideration as well. Even compared to Germany, the charging infrastructure is pretty poor in Danmark. The big gap between conservative rual areas, like most of Jylland, compared to Copenhagen us also important. In Copenhagen, many don't need cars because of the excellent public transport and cycling network, so people who would consider EVs don't need cars at all. In Germany, the border region with Danmark in particular, cars are needed to get around and becoming green is important to many. So EVs are popular for German standards, many villages and towns already invested in solar and wind energy, so they have money and are open to EVs, charging infrastructure exists.

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

Poor no, expensive yes. www.ladestasjoner.no/kart/ Yes it is not so many that in Norway and Sweden. But Denmark is a small, flat, and 99% snow/ice free Century, so they do not need so many charger`s (and there is a great culture difference, when the Dane`s as everything very close by there home, in most cases (5 to 15min will cover most needs), in Norway, you have maybe 400km to public office`s and specialized services, i f you live outside the mayor city's eras.

@alfredvondrachstedt7129

3 жыл бұрын

@@terjesorhaug143 Your very right, I'm comparing two very similar parts of Denmark and Germany, the border region I'm quite familiar with. There aren't many differences between amount and distance of services, but EVs are a lot more popular in the German part. I'd guess due to the popularity of renewable energy, so people are more open about EVs.

10:00 comparing averages is not the best way to make this point. The influence of high-earners and high-net worth individuals skews what regular people are actually able to do. You should be comparing median values. This will tell you what half of the citizens are capable of, rather than what half of the money is capable of.

I can't fathom paying 85% tax on anything. That's absolutely crazy.

@baronvonjo1929

3 жыл бұрын

How do you survive in a country like that. I already think I'm taxed to much. That's just extortion.

@andreasfiltenborg4952

3 жыл бұрын

@@baronvonjo1929 The libertarian, conservative and nationalistic(?) party all want the fee halved or removed. Sadly the center paties and left leaning parties all want it to stay the same although i wouldn't put it past the ex-communist party to want an increase.

@havefun123for

2 жыл бұрын

@potsmoker54 public transit is not an option in almost all of the US

An interesting take on EVs and Tesla in particular in Scandinavia. Thanks.

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

I do not agree here: 1) To 23 0% VAT 2) Tesla has 30% of all car sale in Norway 3) Volvo is Chinese 4) 4860 battery price falling. After 23, will a EV cost 20% less, and VAT will only make it 0% difference again 5) This Winter EV production price will fall below ICE p-price 6 ) Denmark removed all support, from one day to the next 7) We have a big second hand marked, a used Model S for 70% discount 8) Strong support in Norway 9) Super strong and available Charging 10) Cost of buying is one thing, the operating cost, is significantly lower 11) In NO and SE the electrick power price is about 6 to 8 EuroCent pr KwH (or 15 to 20% off gassoline).

Find it strange how Norway somehow manages to give the impression they're green, while exporting huge amounts of oil. Like a drug dealer who doesn't sample their own product

@Lubben

2 жыл бұрын

We are also considered the most peaceful country in the world. Although we are exporting a lot of military equipments (defence systems), mainly missile and weapon systems, and ammuniton. We are a small country with 5million inhabitants. In 2012 were 7th largest weapon exporter. It's a paradox.

This is the first video of yours I've seen. Well-edited and written. How will the $25,000 Tesla go over? It'll probably be available by 2023.

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

It will sell very much. Yes many Norwegian has a high salary, but many do not, and they have smaller cars.

@zagan1

3 жыл бұрын

Still trying to get the roadster on the road, and test was the first model so over 15 years now.

@rdmz135

3 жыл бұрын

@@zagan1 the roadster is just an attention grabber for the company. The 25k car is their real goal.

@ronb4633

3 жыл бұрын

@@rdmz135 I'm sorry, but I think their goal is profit. 25k cars will make volume but probably not profit. Tesla cannot make profit with their current cars except by means of selling the EV credits to other car makers.

@jake3736

2 жыл бұрын

I think it will go over well. Even weather people like smaller, cheaper cars as commuters. You'd be surprised how many people don't actually care about the status symbol of their higher priced model 3 and just buy it because they see it as the only option

I enjoy the fact that you are pointing out that economics and convenience are the most important elements.

So ironic, since Norway is the biggest oil producer and is funded by oil.

What makes model 3 too expensive in U.S. is the car insurance still, until tesla makes there own.

@nathanb011

3 жыл бұрын

They are!

Never knew Finland isn't part of 'Scandanavia'. Today I learned!

@Greybone62

3 жыл бұрын

Nordic countries and Scandinavian countries are not two words for the same content..

@etunimi1208

3 жыл бұрын

Neither is old Finland

@BaldurNorddahl

3 жыл бұрын

Scandinavia includes different countries depending on who you ask. The minimum is Sweden and Norway. Most also include Denmark. And in some contexts Finland and Iceland are also included.

@MrPicky

3 жыл бұрын

@@BaldurNorddahl Finland and Iceland are not in Scandinavia. The only context would be "historical" as both nations belonged, for a time being, to the Kalmar Union (Nor-Swe-Den). Iceland has linguistic ties while Finland has not.

@johansvideor

2 жыл бұрын

It is a common mistake to use the name Scandinavia (which is about a mountain ridge) when you mean the Nordics or Nordic countries that share a common historical, cultural and in many ways legal area and pretty much similar market. It doesn't make any sense to leave out Finland from this video.

Thanks for the video. From what I can see in this video, buying and registering a second-hand Teslas will be close to the new price today in a few years.

@4:53 The barrier is not MUCH lower but slightly lower. Looking at the two vehicles side by side, the value proposition is MUCH higher on the Tesla side.

no, price is not Tesla's problem in Norway (TOP1 in 2020 will be etron!), the starting price of ID.3 is lower but it is the starting price and you can only put a bike on ID.3 + Superchargers are a huge advantage. The only problem Tesla has in Norway is lack of supply, and it is so obvious in December again, as always in the end of a quarter. Volkswagen has a huge, loyal customer base, Toyota being another example - no other explanation why Norwegians buy RAV4 now, with its terrible electric drive train.

@Coltn3125

3 жыл бұрын

The real problem for the rest is when FSD hits Tesla. He did hint at this. Robotaxi's will decimate the global vehicle market.

@Diapolo10

3 жыл бұрын

This. When Giga Berlin finally goes online, Norway in particular should see a big surge in Tesla sales.

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

How? Yes it has sold many cars this year. But 423 this month against Tesla whit almost 3 000 cars (I guess 400/3 000 at the end of dismember). Do not forget that other then the Korean`s and Chinese, do not have any significant battery production. So they can get high sales in small markets , but it stops there. Lack of supply? teslastats.no/ it locks like Tesla will have about 30% of the total car sale in Norway this mount, 30% a lack of supply? Loyal customer`s? Tesla has by fare the most loyal Norwegian customers in Norway, Then Volvo and Mercedes. I see some but not many RAW 4 on the roads. The important here is that EV, will represent about 70% of ALL new car sales i this mounth in Norway ( elbilstatistikk.no/ ). and that 90% of the country has extremely good charging options (I live in the suburbs, and i got maybe 1 500 plugs to charge on, whitin 15minuts drive)

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

Very important to understand that after a strong EV sale for 6 years, Norway has developed a strong second hand EV marked. About 15% of all used that is for sale now, are a EV (and about 1/8 cars are EV in Norway now).

@zagan1

3 жыл бұрын

Not many people buy Tesla's anymore. If your favourite brand is BMW, Mercedes, VW, Volvo etc And if you want an EV, you couldn't buy an EV from any of those brands, but you can now. And so people are buying those brands now and couldn't care about Tesla, looking at sale stats show that. The other thing is Tesla spends months to build anything they only build 5,000 cars a month, and the cars fall apart, big time fans don't talk about that much. Only richrebuilds has said anything and he's been banned from Tesla for it.

Very well done video.

The most difficult thing for each of us -- is to understand why other people make the decisions they make, and why they do what they do!

Thanks for a good video you´ve just earned a new subscriber!

Hi, Swede here. At this point I would probably buy a Polestar 2 rather than a Tesla just because it's based on tech from Volvo so you are definitely correct. The biggest issue however is still price (+ charging availability, especially of you live in an apartment like I do)

@logitech4873

2 жыл бұрын

My problem with the Polestar is simply that it costs more than a Model 3, and you get less performance and (more importantly) range. The Model 3 is so hard to beat in terms of raw specs. I've driven a Polestar 2 though, and it's a beautiful car.

@Joasoze

2 жыл бұрын

@@logitech4873 in Norway the price is the same for a Tesla 3 and Polestar 2. I bought Polestar due to issues with paint quality and build quality on the Tesla.

@espencapable

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joasoze How has your experience been with the Polestar so far?

Great video! The $55 registration fee here in Ohio doesn’t sound so bad now 😬

@luffirton

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Waitinas Be happy 😆 Scandinavia is the place in the world where buying luxury cars or frankly cars of any good quality is more expensive and it’s mostly down to just fees and heavy taxes on new vehicles. Thats why its a really big second hand market here. Which is actually good reuse is always good i think, but sometimes you want a new car and then you have to shell out a lot more than the car is actually worth on the free market, and that is a hard to accept for many. But not much to do about because most political parties here agree to tax those commodities very high.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

@@luffirton I mean most of us want those taxes, I don't really feel like subsidizing the purchase of new cars for other people when I don't even drive myself. I'd be a lot happier if we had higher taxes and put that money into expanding and lowering the price of public transit.

Norwegian here, don't own Tesla, but Norway is a big customer of Tesla cars and there is no workshop to fix them in Scandinavia. Regular mechanics won't touch the computer parts and it also ruins the Tesla warranty from what I've heard. People who bought a new Tesla and had a problem with the battery or the car, had to send it to UK to fix and wait months while they were given a non-Tesla car in the meantime, a bit of a letdown for those looking forward to driving their new Tesla. This is not so bad, since warranty usually covers this for a few years. If you bought used or the warranty doesn't cover anymore, insurance can be tricky depending on what it is and rarely cover shipping costs; then it quickly gets expensive. They should consider having at least one Tesla autoshop to fix and sell cars in every country that has many customers if they plan on keeping them and creating new ones, but that's just my opinion

This was the first video of your's I've watched and I liked it, I'll be subscribing. It was hilarious though, as an American, when you said that Tesla would not be able to control the regulators and just hope that they rule in their favor. In the Us, it is EASY for large companies to buy politicians. Way to go Scandanavia. Also, why didn't you include Finland and Iceland??

The number one reason for EVs and Tesla's initial rise in Norway was affordable "luxury" vehicles. Like it or not, the upper-middle class are the trendsetters in society and have more political capital to sway regulators in an EV favourable way. They also have an economy to overcome the pitfalls and quirks associated with early bird adopters of new technology. As well as funding boundary-pushing R&D that will eventually make its way to the cheaper EV variants. Trying to discourage the "luxury" EV segment and encourage the "low-price" segment will just reinforce the stereotype of EVs being shitty/boring cars for hippies (e.g. Th!nk, buddy-electric, nissan leaf). Ultimately slowing progress towards an all-electric society. It's more like "Scandinavia's EV Paradox" than "Tesla's Scandinavia Problem".

@andyhunt457

3 жыл бұрын

All cars will not be electric.Niether will big HGVs

@CapriciousStoic2

3 жыл бұрын

Is not the Norwegian fund investing in Tesla stocks and as such is in the interest of them for Tesla to succeed? & they what to help them with the domestic market ...

Its the same here in The Netherlands, loads of subsides, high income, high taxes.

@jome8059

2 жыл бұрын

Same in Belgium. Even higher tax i think. But the good thing in Belgium is the free car and free fuel for car given by employer.

I just want you to know that your Subscription pitch at 1:13 worked, i often forget to subscribe even if like a video.

Netherlands is a place where I can spot lots of Tesla around . I would like to know if they have the same numbers per inhabitants for ev as in Scandinavian countries

@strudaren3263

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Tesla sale in Netherlands is almost same as Norway, maybe higher.

if we're talking about the low price game, there is already an "EV" that sold for $980 on alibaba. Of course it's extremely strip down and only have 30 mile of ranges and very slow. It's pretty easy to go cheap if the manufacturer is willing to sacrifice a lot of quality. It's a lot easier to make a qualified product cheaper than it is to make a cheap product to have more quality. Since the former has higher margin to allow for more R&D to reduce cost, but the latter is already so bare bone and have such razor thin margin that there won't be enough profit to devote to R&D unless it's selling at extremely high volume.

@lkrnpk

3 жыл бұрын

or it's also easy if you can steal from Tesla like Xpeng :D

@crichtonjohn1187

3 жыл бұрын

That "thing" sold with $980 cannot be considered a car.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, quality usually comes from experience not R&D, though it really depends on what we mean when we say quality. Do we mean it in the sense of nice to have features and high performance? Or do we mean high build quality and functional and thoughtful layout? The former does come from money yes but the latter just comes from experience and mass production. Teslas are kinda infamous for having problems with build quality but having very techy features but Volkswagen is known for good reliable design and they can put their decades of experience in designing cars for the average person to use and make a car that is comfortable and fit for that person. Not only that but mass production allows you to use better tooling, have better quality assurance, use better materials and so on because of economies of scale.

Do you use any data science tools to do your research? What tools do you use? What is missing?

Very informative and interesting video! The main issue with Tesla (with most EV's in general) can be summarized in one word: Price. Like you said, they are simply too expensive for the average person. I don't care how little they cost to maintain or how you don't have to fuel up the car with petrol or diesel, the price to purchase is too high for most people. Greetings from Sweden!

@alexanderthompson1416

2 жыл бұрын

The average new car price in USA is now $47,000 and a used car is $30,000. The price of a car *at all* is getting out of the range of affordability for most people.

I like that the saying has “vovve” in it. Vovve is the key to the best life.

holy shit, I recognize the place in the clip at 12:39! It's Stortorget in Helsingborg, Sweden, filmed from Kärnan!

I had to really turn up the volume of my headset: I advise to increase the recording volume. Whivh makes commercials sound Really loud!

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

I will. Still figuring everything out didn't expect to get so many views on my videos this early. But thank you for giving me constructive criticism it will only help me make them better.

Great insight

I heard that besides the cost of the car you also have high costs for the cable from parking lot to car. And the network is not always compatible with the voltz needed when installed at home.

Pretty much everything said here applies to Finland too.

@bleskiven

2 жыл бұрын

The video could easily have been called "Tesla's Nordic Problem"

@johansvideor

2 жыл бұрын

@@bleskiven Yes, very ignorant to limit the video to the geographic Scandinavia. Nordics or Nordic countries is a much better name.

@MiffyHQ

2 жыл бұрын

@@johansvideor would mean he needed to include the situation in iceland and finland aswell, which would take alot more effort when he can get the same point across using only the 3 scandinavian nations.

It all depends on where the electricity comes from. Here in Belgium, most electricity comes from burning gas and our old nuclear reactors will soon be shut down without replacement. In such an environment, electric cars don't make that much sense, and pushing them with tax breaks are a waste of government money.

@lengould9262

3 жыл бұрын

Not correct. When regulators see that people want clean energy vehicles charged from sustainable generation, they will have to organize that. From large central battery systems to V to G to SMNR, new clean gen will arrive, and vehicles should be ready.

@terjesorhaug143

3 жыл бұрын

Not correct: 1) And EV run from Coal, it reduces the CO2 footprint by 50%, from gasoline. 2) Germany whent from about 10% renewable in 2010, to 55% (first 6 mounts) in 2020. And this development is happening slower, but in most EU country now. In Norway one EV 35g CO2 and a gasoline car 205g. On EU energy mix 129g, but this is falling fast.

@LunnarisLP

3 жыл бұрын

It was proven that even if you charge in countries with energy mostly produced by fossils liste australia for example, it's still better to get the EV. This is only from a CO2 perspective, obviously the air pollution produced by an combustion engine in the middle of a city is a major issue in terms of citizen health, while you can produce energy with fossils while at least keeping the pollution further away from humans. As energy storage solutions become cheaper and solar is getting cheaper too, we will see a rapid increase in renewables and guess what, your EV will still drive in 2-3 years and with the energy mix getting better and better your car will actually be better for the environment in a couple of years, while a gas car would still pollute the air and the environment just as much in 3 years. I agree that we should rather invest more money into pushing for more renewable energy, but I don't think we aren't able to do both at the same time, and as I said as the energy mix gets better, so does the EV. As mentioned by the other guy, just in the last 10 years germany managed to get their shares of renewables from only ~15% up to more than 50% in 2020, and this was with a conservative Party (CDU) leading the country. The change was pushed by society, and the green party in Germany is gaining popularity a lot as old people with little interest in the future of the planet are dieing while the next generation is turning 18 and is allowed to vote, thus putting more pressure on those legacy partys to make change happen. I assume 70-80% clean energy is possible in germany until 2030, possibly even more and Europe as a whole might just hit 40-50%

@bgeyssens

3 жыл бұрын

@@LunnarisLP Germany has the highest CO2 emissions in Europe since they ditched nuclear power.

@PeterAuto1

2 жыл бұрын

electrical power plants are much more efficient than car combustion engines. And Electrical Engines are also really efficient. So you still save CO2 with a bad energy mix.

I live in the Czech Republic and we got nothing for electric cars. The only thing we got is that you don’t have to pay for highways and that’s it

There is no registration fee for cars in Sweden, there is VAT only (25%). There are however some direct subsidies for electric cars which are nowhere near the fee levels in the other scandinavian countries, I think the max level now is SEK 60000. There is also some annual tax system (bonus/malus?) the first three years which I think costs something like 5000-10000 for an ordinary non electric car

You forgot to mention Polestar, the Volvo brand of EV as a competitor to Tesla. 😁

@logitech4873

2 жыл бұрын

Great car, wish the range was competitive with the model 3

id love to know what the cost reductions are of Giga Berlin producted vehicles

@helvetiaresearch9973

3 жыл бұрын

2X battery cost reduction

@mikkelmaaestergaard9269

3 жыл бұрын

Well it is a lot cheaper to produce and sell vehicles in Europe rather than having them shipped from America to Europe.

@simonquvang6073

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the import tax for cars in EU is 15%, plus shipping, new batteries, new structure. probably looking at a 30% reduction

@tieman3790

3 жыл бұрын

@@simonquvang6073 that'd be great! Im assuming they'll pass most of that on to the consumer. Because they need to compete with the ID 3. ID 3 starts €18000 cheaper then the m3 base model

I don't understand why they put the Tesla Gigafactory in Berlin. The environment is so important to them that they build an EV factory... in the middle of a forest that has to be cut down to make room for said factory. Why not build it near Hamburg? Instead of being a landlocked city, Hamburg features the second largest port in Europe, and since overland transport is way more expensive than using ships, cutting down that overland distance should be significant. Hamburg and its surroundings are mostly flat and not forested, but rather agricultural land, so maybe you could even avoid cutting down part of a forest near a major metro area.

Super god video ven!

Interesting insights into wholly different economies. So often when we in the States talk about economic systems it is without understanding... myself included.

I guess people must have plenty of money to buy electric vehicles. My budget is closer to a Citroen Ami.

@wilhelmhaihambo8986

3 жыл бұрын

I can’t even buy a car. I am in Namibia XD

The best option in Scandinavia is a bicycle and public transportation. 🤣 I'm living in Norway, and cars prices are insane. They are 2 times larger than prices in Germany. And on top of everything, road tolls. There are cameras all over the city, and you are charged from 3-6 euros for 1.5 hours depending on the zone you are driving (it is like 50-30% cheaper for EV). So, you are paying more money to go from home to working place by car than with public transportation. My girl and I thought to purchase a new car. But when we put everything on paper, it is like 600 euros a month for a car, plus equaty of 10.000 euros that you pay. Way too much money for something that loses value over time. So, we agreed to invest that money in something that can generate income after some time, rather than investing in buying a car.

My sister told me that on her recent trip to Sweden she saw a new car dealership with five cars for sale. This contrasts markedly with car dealerships in my community, each one having acres of new cars. And my community is just a small part of an obscure western state.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

They generally have more than that here, I mean not like hundreds but there's usually a couple dozen on display.

So it seems like Denmark gov is just against any type of performance car 🤣

@SuperDirk1965

3 жыл бұрын

And they are right. What's the use of a performance car in ordinary traffic with traffic jams and speed limits?

@the911collection

3 жыл бұрын

Even though they have their own hypercar company, zenvo

@the911collection

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperDirk1965 you obviously arent into cars, we car enthousiast dont just see cars as transportation, we see them as fast mechanical pieces of art with great heritage, we buy them for their looks, heritage, performance and driving experience. That couple of days we get to use all performance at a track event, car showor even using the german autobahn makes all dayswe cant use them perfectly. Also denmark has lots and lots of b roads with little obstructions and traffic that can give great driving experience. But you probably will never get that.also performance cars influence the entire car market as all tech they can afford to create and use will eventually make it to cheap economie cars. So the onky reason normal cars are this good is because of performance oriented car brands such as Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren,Lamborghini, Buggati and even the swedish brand Koenigsegg

@SuperDirk1965

3 жыл бұрын

@@the911collection I am into cars. I'm just not seeing them as more as what they are. They're transportation devices. Nothing more nothing less. I'm a qualified mechanic, have been for over 30 years.

@EmanASMR

3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperDirk1965 So driving a Lada and a Rolls Royce is the same thing for you. Personally I'd take the Rolls, Bentley, Porsche etc.

Denmark is so damn expensive , wow !

@cafe88racer53

2 жыл бұрын

socialism lol

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

I think I prefer paying 40k for a car I don't need compared to paying 200k because I broke my arm.

There is a big difference between Danmark and Norway compared to Sweden. Sweden does not have the crazy high tax to start with on normal petrol vehicles. This makes subsidies less effective for electrical vehicles. It’s almost impossible to own a decent vehicle in Denmark or Norway, which is absolutely crazy. Almost everyone owns a Audi A6, BMW 5-Series or Volvo XC60/90 in the suburbs around Stockholm. These cars are almost considered luxury in the neighbor countries.

Most Teslas sold in Norway are the 4wheel drive versions btw.

To be clear, what i think the danish should do; put identic taxes on all cars the more they pollute, the more taxes they get All cars must than pay for their cost to society. ICE cars will loose the subsidies they have today- be more expensive and their sales will decline👍🇳🇴

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, so put a cost on pollution rather than the vehicles themselves? It could work in the long-term ownership of the vehicles. But it doesn't change the most vital factor, up-front cost, which is what matters most right now for electric vehicles as they are more expensive to manufacture.

@SmalLevi74

3 жыл бұрын

@@OBFYT thats a good idea Put taxes on car based on how much they pollute, use some of this money to remove vat on zero emission veichles- that model have been effectful in Norway And tell the public: fuel taxes will rise by 10% a year going forward

@mhfs61

3 жыл бұрын

Bjorn’s idea doesn’t’ the hold water, if you want to accelerate the transition to renewable energy and bring down the number of ICE car. The polluter pays argument isn’t really hardly enforced. And if you leave up to the auto industry they cheat.

@Psi-Storm

3 жыл бұрын

@@SmalLevi74 There are a bunch of countries that have registration fees for the cars based on gram CO2/km. The Netherlands is really insane here, a Mercedes Diesel SUV costs like 40000€ registration fee. Many countries also start adjusting the yearly license plate fee to CO2/km, as well as adding a CO2 tax to every liter of fuel bought.

@mendistudio

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it would depend on how those taxes impact the car’s final price. Here in Spain we have a 21% tax for all cars but what changes is the tax for adding your number plate, that depends on the emissions sticker of the car. ECO and 0 emissions stickers don’t pay that tax, but it’s not really a decisive factor over the final price. A progressive VAT would definitely work better to encourage electrification. That and a proper charging network of course.

Interesting video, well made but i need to talk about one thing that annoys me a lot in the comment, but also online in general: Tesla is a competitive company not a non-profit organization, all the talks about "Tesla is happy that others offer e-cars", "Elon wants to build a greener future", that's all just marketing-blabla and it is crazy how many people are believing that the quotes are more. Tesla is a company listed on stock exchanges, what counts is market-share and sales, Elon Musk as a business man not a philanthropist, even tho him portraying himself as such might very well be part of his business-plan at this point. In Europe Tesla is losing ground at a pretty fast pace and that is a problem for Tesla, what Elon said on twitter a few years ago is irrelevant. The emotional attachment many people have to Tesla as a Brand and Elon Musk as a Person is pretty fascinating, but it prevents them from seeing the writing on the wall.

@tzarcoal1018

3 жыл бұрын

​@@NoMoYOUsernames You are actually right about my cynicism, i tend to be cynical sometimes that is true. But in my opinion it is not really such a terrible thing i like to be rather cynical than naive and delusional, but that is besides my point. About what a philanthropist is, this is what Wikipedia says: Philanthropy consists of "private initiatives, for the public good, focusing on quality of life". Philanthropy contrasts with business initiatives, which are private initiatives for private good, focusing on material gain, and with government endeavors, which are public initiatives for public good, e.g., focusing on provision of public services.[1] A person who practices philanthropy is a philanthropist. A good Businessman is a bad philanthropist and vice versa, Elon Musk is a good businessman. He can practice philanthropy in fields outside of the fields he does business in, sponsoring musicians, saving wildlife, you know the things rich people do. Right now more and more of the traditional manufactures are getting serious about EVs, as a consequence Tesla's market share is shrinking, (btw i am not saying Tesla will fail completely, they have still a technological advantage in some fields...they just loose their status of uncontested EV-King that they had since the launch of the model S) VW Group and Renault expanding their EV lineup and selling more EVs than Tesla makes philanthropy Elon happy, but for Tesla CEO Mr. Musk it is not good news, that is the contradiction.

@DropTableIfExists

3 жыл бұрын

TzarCoal 101 now just imagine if private good and public good could align... crazy right?

It’s so cool that I stumbled upon a danish KZreadr. Proud Dane here

As a Norwegian with family who has alot of EV. My uncle owns 2 Model S and was one of the first to get his first Model S in Norway. And sister + cousin who both went for the new Nissan Leaf. Electric cars are inteiguing. And its definatly the right move. However they come with some problem. Charging them, while norway has alot of infrastructure to charge EV. It is not the infrastructure I am about. maybe it is how the electric grid in Norway is designed but Lightening have devestating effects on vehicles that are undergoing charging. So you gotta be aware and make sure to disable the charge during a thunderstorm. Both my neighbour with a Model X and my sister have had their batteries fried by a thunderstorm. Now the second problem is the rubber problem. EV due to alot of torque+weight eats through cheap tyres like no tomorrow. You gotta buy the more expensive premium tires if you want them to hold for several seasons. And then you have the third problem. Resellability. EV has a dramatic value loss on resale. While conventional cars tends to keep their value higher than EV's when buying a used one. And most people in Norway do buy decond hand cars and the marked is huge for second hand vehicles. And then there is the final problem for EV, but you also see them in newer conventional cars. The eletrical wiring just dosnt hold up. My close friend who is a Vehicle Electrician and does this for his living, says the wiring and all eletric vehicles and majority of modern cars are so shoddy they rot very easily. Consider the climate in norway especially with rough terrain puttibg alot of Ice Snow Rain Salt and vibration. Alot of wiring gets eaten up and starts making errors, and having to fix that wiring is expensive as hell. Sad thing is it could have been easily prevented if they used a better grade cape around the wiring, or even just redesigning how the wiring goes thru the car. The first Nissan leaf was notoriously bad as wiring went along the bottom of the car near the canals leading to cars that got dented canals due to speedbumps or whatnot. Would immidiatly start to corrode the entire section, which could lead to some serious faults

not a scandinavian but i believe there is a V missing, at 5:51, all the 3 Vees means nothing. Villa Vulva Volvo Vovse. there ,i fix it.

Batteries die in the cold...my work has fully electric scissor lifts that last all day in normal conditions but if you use them in a meat freezer will only last 45 minutes untill fully drained

@danpeek2958

3 жыл бұрын

@@honesty_-no9he it isn't about the scissor lift, it's about batteries in general

@danpeek2958

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoMoYOUsernames ty, this actually answered my question unlike some people that just compared the car to a scissor lift...I know there's way more technology in the car, my question was about battery life...ty

@runeversveen9598

3 жыл бұрын

Battery life seems to be very good in Norway. There are a lot of EVs, and a lot of cold days. The lifespand of the batteries are much better then expected. The heat are worse for the batteries.

He forgot the most importent thing, the cost for fuel/electricity. The cost for driving a petrolcar is about 10 times more per kilometer than an electriccar. The petrolprices are very high.

Good video thanks…

8:33 even in a scandinavian vid about electric vehicles you cant escape Putin

@andrewbergamann7982

3 жыл бұрын

Uncle Putin: I am inevitable 😎✌🏼

Its not entirely correct If Tesla model 3 was a modern hybrid, the car price would be 25% higher- not 100% higher👍🇳🇴

@OBFYT

3 жыл бұрын

What point are you referring to? The registration fees in Denmark?

@SmalLevi74

3 жыл бұрын

@@OBFYT no, your point of norwegian car pricing

It's down to the cost always

@luffirton

3 жыл бұрын

Of course we are pragmatic beings that way.

fedt med en dansk pro tesla etc kanal!