A message to Elon Musk. The EU is not the USA. Where restaurant work is not entitled to a basic salary and you have to ask for a tip.

@Sony-ox7wx

7 ай бұрын

Unions are the ones asking for a "tip"

@monkeysezbegood

6 ай бұрын

Why don't we let the employees of Tesla decide rather than remote union bullies?

@Sony-ox7wx

6 ай бұрын

@@monkeysezbegood because the swedish is a Mafia market not a free market. They must get their extortion fee from successful businesses. They would fall to third world country standards if they didn't 😭

@Sony-ox7wx

6 ай бұрын

You can delete my comments and censor me all you want, that only proves my point 😂 thank you

@walterrumohr7090

6 ай бұрын

I beg your pardon sir, Elon is not running a restaurant and was happy earning $ 1 dollar a year working 100 hours a week. 😂

I really admire how Swedish workers support each other, and the power of Unions here.

@ThreeStarVagabond

4 ай бұрын

It's a method that's worked for Sweden at least! It might not work in all countries - but we like it this way :)

There is something new in the case. 3F in Denmark has entered the conflict. Danish drivers and dock workers will not take Teslas to Sweden.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yeah I was a bit nervous about what updates might happen immediately after I post this - this was a pretty big addition.

@pedroprague

7 ай бұрын

As long as Tesla does not violate Swedish and Danish laws, it is essentially an unfair approach. Today it can be Tesla, tomorrow it can be, for example, products made in Poland. Tesla may eventually sue Sweden for violating the law on investment protection in WTO.

@MrChaosi

7 ай бұрын

its completly legal, welcome to to other countries then the U.S@@pedroprague

@pedroprague

7 ай бұрын

@@MrChaosi Sorry what is legal? To not grant access to Swedish market to company, which fulfilling all legal requirements? Or did Did Tesla broke some laws in Sweden? BTW I am not from US, but Europe. I don't understand why post office can refuse to deliver product of certain company. Today it is Tesla tomorrow it can be applicable to products from Poland for example.

@alvinmjensen

7 ай бұрын

@@pedroprague In the Nordic countries, the labor market has its own law outside the countries. It is a completely normal industrial action. This match is completely according to the rules. The labor market parties have made them themselves. The rules state that you agree to the collective agreements or risk a strike - and in some cases also a sympathy strike. Tesla should therefore have foreseen it. There are many business chains that have had to learn this the hard way. On the other hand, there is no minimum wage.

Thank you, Miro for this very informative video . . . as an American, I am very glad to hear the non-corrupted Swedish explanation and details concerning this strike. Glad jul 🎄

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for checking it out! This is of course just my take on it - I tried to be objective about it, but I'm sure there's tons of complications and things I've missed. But happy holidays to you too! May there be lots of snow and loot and candy :D

Informative and unbiased, great work!

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Appreciate it ^_^

There's no timeline where the unions give up. The only way this ends is Tesla giving up and either signing a collective agreement in some shape or form, or completely leaving Sweden.

@monkeysezbegood

6 ай бұрын

There is also no way Tesla gives up. So stalemate

@Destinum

6 ай бұрын

@@monkeysezbegood They will. All the big American companies come in thinking they're hot shit, only to bend over once they realize real unions aren't anything like what they're used to.

@mikaelgranberg7928

6 ай бұрын

This might be a stalemate where it will be more or less impossible to conduct any business at all. The bank employees union stopping all their financial transactions will be a tough pill to swallow for sure. It's been done before, so it is not unlikely at all. //Cheers

@couch_philosoph3325

6 ай бұрын

​@@monkeysezbegood IF Metal - the striking union - has enough funds that it can pay the strikers their regular salaries for around 50 years. You think tesla can afford a stalemate for 50 years?

@alexander97611

2 ай бұрын

@@couch_philosoph3325you are somewhat wrong in that number, according to IF-Metall they have the budget to strike for 500 years

Excellent video as ever! I don't think there's any way the unions are caving, I think it's likelier that Tesla gets a subsidiary! It's good to see Swedish working people having each other's back like this tho, everyone that works should be getting a fair wage and working conditions!

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

To be fair, I think that Tesla are offering a fair wage and decent working conditions right now... As I understand it, the unions are mostly concerned about future changes - or Tesla reducing their benefits and conditions later on. But thank you so much!

@MomsterGirl

7 ай бұрын

@@ThreeStarVagabond Both are quite likely, given Tesla (and frankly Musk's) stance on unions in any country. And there's also the concern you mention in the video, if they intend to cover everything the union's asking for, then the contract shouldn't be issue to sign!

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

@@MomsterGirl Haha, exactly! If I worked at Tesla myself I wouldn't mind not having unions, but I think that it's good to protect people who feel that they need a more stable environment. So for those, unions are a brilliant thing, to ensure good working conditions, long-term stability etc.

@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt

7 ай бұрын

@@MomsterGirl IF Metall are associated with IG Metall in Germany who are trying to unionise Tesla car factory in Berlin. IG Metall have been caught lying about Tesla health and safety issues. IG Metall not happy as they have 125,000 members at VW and VW now laying off 20,000 workers and moving production of BEV cars to china as they can´t compete with Tesla on quality or price. The US union UAW also wants to Unionise Tesla 3 factories in the US. The UAW factories also can´t compete on quality and price and as those factories transfer from ICE to BEV less workers needed. Tesla car factories are heavily automated, use giga castings which reduces number of parts and simplifies production and focuses best design and quality while removing unrequired parts and Tesla makes a lot of their parts in house whereas legacy mainly relies on suppliers. Tesla is never going to sign a CBA in Sweden especially as the employees don´t want it.

@woopsserg

7 ай бұрын

Considering GFY that Elon said on live TV to advertisers and Disney CEO in particular that withdrew ads from Twitter in demand of censorship, I really doubt Tesla will cave in.

Quite a good clip hope it all gets sorted out soon enjoyed the clip

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thank you! And yeah, totally agree

Nice video... this topic has a lot of coverage on KZread, but finding videos, that are not done by Tesla stock owners who tend to appear somewhat biased, are hard to find. Please upload more on updates.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, really appreciate it! I'll see what else happens with the whole conflict - this might definitely be something to follow up on.

And this is why I like the Nordic model. There are certain standards that people will demand and, even better, the companies will gladly accept. Unions aren't perfect here in the Nordics, but it's important that the employees also have a powerful enough of a position so that they get to have their say about their working conditions. Stay strong with this one, Swedes!

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

I think that most models can work, and there are pros and cons to everything. Like you say, it's not perfect - but having unions like in Sweden is a good model if everyone agrees to it

@volundrfrey896

7 ай бұрын

Well the Swedish model is that collective bargaining agreements are voluntary. The vast majority of the workers do not want this agreement (at one site it was 1 our of roughly 90 something workers) since it would mean a far worse agreement to what they have now. So the nordic model is working really poorly in this case.

@holmbjerg

7 ай бұрын

​@@volundrfrey896No it's not. And there is nothing stopping Tesla from offering better conditions than the collective bargaining minimum. You can supercede it without any problems. But Elon Musk does not want to offer better conditions. And his eccentric cluelessnes about the world outside his window doesn't allow him to think that he could be wrong about anything.

Nicely done 😊👌

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! :)

Thank you for the video, now I understand the problem and I fully support the Swedish workers. Go Sweden

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for checking it out :D

Strange Tesla employees don't want union

Polestar will replace Tesla easily in Sweden.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

I actually wouldn't mind to see both Polestar and Tesla doing alright in Sweden. Competition is good, after all. But yeah, I suspect that Tesla might be on a decline by now for many reasons

@richardbatschmann1901

7 ай бұрын

We do not need more chinese crap!

Yes. I guessed where you were recording. The answer is the Mall of Scandinavia. I was right! :D It was a great video about if you want to do business in Sweden. So keep the unions on your side otherwise you can not stand against strikes. I always appreciate the Swedish model for protecting the worker's rights. Also, I understand why it is very hard to be an employer in Sweden. That's why many people are willing to stay in their jobs instead of creating business in Sweden. For Tesla, I don't think they will sign the agreement. Why someone wants to buy a Tesla in Sweden? They are not good at performing in harsh conditions. The right choice is Volvo for the Scandinavian peninsula. I love Volvo. Always :D. I suggest you if you want to agree, watch Vintersaga Volvo commercial. Highly recommended.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Haha you know your Swedish malls after all :D But yeah it's a bit of a hassle to do business in Sweden, but the intention is that it's supposed to be a good thing for both. At least that's the thought... Oh yeah, I love Volvo personally. I don't own a car, but if I did I would have loved to own a V40. Or well, XC40 or whatever they're called now. Cheers, I'll have a look at the commercial :D

@doguskoyuncu5177

7 ай бұрын

@@ThreeStarVagabond Hahaha you know what I recognize about cars and shopping malls. There was an episode in Top Gear. A Ford Fiesta was chased down by an angry American Corvette in a shopping mall. :D Jeremy Clarkson was driving the Fiesta. The scenes are marvelous. I also recommend to watch :D My wild imagination wrote a new scenario again. This time Swedish Empire of Labors strikes back. Volvo will chase down Tesla in the Mall of Scandinavia. It would be fantastic and hilarious. :D

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

@@doguskoyuncu5177 I love that thought! And I love Top Gear - I think I've seen that episode, 'cause I watched every single one (and The Grand Tour as well). So, now I need to find some way to get a Volvo and a Tesla, and rent the Mall of Scandinavia for a video shoot ;D

@doguskoyuncu5177

7 ай бұрын

@@ThreeStarVagabond Haha, you always surprise me Vagabond. I didn't expect that 3 crazy men were fascinating to you. Oh, there will be a great plan. But cars and shopping malls are not enough. You know we should ask for requests from Hammond, May, and Clarkson to join our crusade. :D It could be very interesting. But they already made a series for Scandinavia in The Grand Tour. I wish my scary genius sparked earlier :S Maybe next time :D Have a great week.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

@@doguskoyuncu5177 Now that would be a dream come true! I think all of them are getting retired by now, but imagine how cool it'd be to do a show with them... Oh, and sometimes I say stuff like "the biggest...in the world" in my videos - I'm taking that from Clarkson :D

A moment there I thought you were in Copenhagen. 7:52 - But the "Lucia-hare" totally gave it away. 😃 Only in Sweden. There must be some go-to interior design firm out there running out of ideas for malls. Even many of the shops are completely the same as here.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

That's so interesting! I thought this interior was pretty unique, but apparently not. Then again, Scandinavia is pretty much the same everywhere, no matter how much we believe that we are different :D

I can't see Elon Musk giving in to trade unions. He's beginning to resemble a James Bond villain intend on taking control of the world. I've read that there's a similar situation happening at Spotify in Sweden, or has that been resolved now? (As an English teacher I really appreciated your use of one of my favourite words: kerfuffle! 😅)

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, Spotify had an anti-union campaign as well which seemed quite odd to many Swedes. It's quite an American sentiment that clashes with the Swedish way of doing business. Personally I don't think it's all that strange to be either for or against unions - but I dislike the active campaigning that happens...sometimes from both sides. Oh, and thanks :D

@bobwallace9753

7 ай бұрын

" He's beginning to resemble a James Bond villain intend on taking control of the world." Do you understand the many and very powerful industries that Elon's companies are disrupting? Start with Big Oil that takes in about $250 billion per day. Add in legacy car companies and dealerships along with their employees. Consider how not only is Tesla leading the way away from Russian oil, SpaceX has taken the very lucrative launch business from Russia. Short version: There are multiple and powerful interests that are highly motivated to attack Elon. Much of the bad you read about Elon is bull. Misinformation. Control of the world? How about solving part of our climate change problem by driving the movement off ICEVs? How about reigniting space exploration so that we can establish centers of human knowledge on more than one planet, just in case something very bad happens to this planet? How about developing technology to help paralyzed people walk and blind people see? How about building systems to help lower urban congestion? Perhaps Elon is the opposite of that villain. Perhaps he's fighting villains. Just think about it.

@monkeysezbegood

6 ай бұрын

Why not let people decide if they want to work for Tesla or not? It's up to the worker at the end of the day.

Great informative video as usual! I've learn something today: I didn't know there was currently such strike in Sweden about Tesla, nor what the relationship Swedes have with the very concept of strikes and/or unions. Quite interesting. And I must say, in France (where I'm from), we have quite a bunch of unions (CGT, CFDT, SUD, FO... to name a few), and being on strike is one of our favorite national sport. Unions in France are not especially powerful, but have a great disruptive power when it comes to getting what they want, and sometimes can even put some parts of the country on hold, especially in public services (public transports, education, universities, garbage collection...) or important private sector such as petrol companies (they block gas station, raffineries and gas depot...). Sadly, most of French unions lost from sight their primary reason to be, and fight for themselves, and not for the workers cause anymore. This is mainly because French unions are born in the most red of marxism and socialism where the goal is to take down capitalism. We all know where communism and bolchevism led. In consequence, many French union made their very business economically die due to their selfish actions, and nobody ever won in the end, not even the Union, especially not the underline of naive workers supporting the representatives of their respective union, when they are not straight up drinking their lies of brighter days for the proletariat. The days of original french unions who won real progresses for workers rights and working conditions is essentially gone, besides a few exceptions here and there. Let's hope it ends for the best for Swedish Tesla's employees.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

I know very little about the French unions and how they work - all I know is that...well...there are a lot of strikes :) We actually have very few strikes in Sweden so this one is quite uncommon. Thanks for checking it out, and thanks for your well wishes!

@tapio_m6861

7 ай бұрын

@@ThreeStarVagabond I'm imagining that the reason why people strike in France and not in Sweden is precisely because the unions already are powerful enough to get their point across, leading to not having the need for strikes. In France, the unions might be weaker which leads to workers not getting what they feel they deserve and thus they strike. I Belgium the national sport is to do a one day strikes, which leads to pretty useless strikes as the surrounding society being used to the occasional slight difficulties in public transport or mail deliveries, but which will work fine again in the following day. Not much of a strong arm position, imo.

Music is a little distracting/loud for this topic and matter.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! Okay, that's duly noted

So so strange Volvo corporate against the UAW effort to unionize in its South Carolina assembly plant if the Swedish model is so effective. Also odd Swedish unions don’t apply pressure on Volvo to help their S.C. labor brothers and sisters.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

The volvo just follow the working tradition in the country they have employees, something Tesla should try... Is that not an Ameeica part of volvo, the mack trucks. A company can't change system in one country, it's something the country must do. Just like all countries Volvo want to make money.

@bobwallace9753

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 Volvo manufactures EVs in the US.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

Yes, they do. But is it their factory where it's a fight between union and Volvo the first common referens to? Volvo cars is a chinese owned company. So if that the case then I don't understand the comment even less. I think it's about volvo-mack truck factory.

@tovep9573

7 ай бұрын

Volvo is owned by China nowadays.

@krokodilen31

6 ай бұрын

Plus remember that Volvo Cars is a Chinese owned company.

Jack Nicholson said....

He forgot to mention that the big strike in Sweden does not have many Tesla employees participating. Tesla has 300-400 employees in Sweden including 130 Mechanics. Union visited Tesla several times to talk to the Mechanics. They wanted non union members to join and all to say they wanted a Collective Bargaining Agreement CBA. They apparently never asked the mechanics if they were happy with their agreement with Tesla. It seems the mechanics for the most part were very happy with their tesla overall package, they did not want the Union involved. Union not happy called for a strike, only 6 mechanics stopped work. After some time union upped strike pay to 130% of their basic pay, that got maybe another 24 or so on strike and 100 continuing to work servicing customers Tesla cars. Dock workers refused to unload tesla cars, Tesla brought them in overland or on ferries. Tesla cleaners refused to clean offices, staff cleaned themselves. Electricians refused to repair Tesla chargers, Tesla chargers are very reliable but if needed they brought in electricians from elsewhere in Europe. Post workers stopped delivering number plates to Tesla to register newly sold cars, Tesla went to court and won. Union workers at a factory in Sweden making parts for the Tesla factory in Berlin, stopped making them. Tesla sorting the parts from other suppliers already making these parts elsewhere. Union now sending threats to the employees saying they will be black listed and never be able to work anywhere else in Sweden. It seems the Swedish model is all about union power and nothing about concern for the workers. When asked these mechanics said they joined Tesla as they have the best overall package. I would note that the Union IF Metall has many members working at Volvo and IF Metall is affiliated with IG Metall in Germany which is constantly trying to unionise the Tesla factory making cars in Germany, without any luck. IG Metall has 125,000 members working at VW. VW now laying off 20,000 workers and moving production of BEV vehicles to China saying they can´t compete with Tesla either in quality or price.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Some good points! I think there are many different things to consider about the strike - it seems like many (maybe even most?) Tesla workers themselves are unhappy about it, like you say. But you're off point on other things. Tesla did not win in court - in fact, the courts decided that PostNord does NOT have to deliver mail to Tesla until it's all decided properly. Also, saying that the unions are after power is...well, pretty ridiculous when talking about companies vs unions. Both are after power and wealth, and pretty much equally corrupt when it comes to that. Also, unions aren't there to make it better for the people who already are doing well. Unions are there to ensure that the less fortunate don't get mistreated. I think that's the key thing to remember. It will never benefit anyone who's doing well for themselves - but it might help people from being mistreated in the future.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

Don't forget we don't know why they not strike. Tesla say they are happy and don't want to. The union said another thing and a tesla worker on strike have said tesla threat to pay minimum wages if they have to sign the agreement and that tesla have guess workers that could be forced to leave Sweden if they lose their job at Tesla or get lower income. Who knows, but I would not blindly trust Tesla version...

@88balloonsonthewall70

7 ай бұрын

The workers at Tesla in Sweden gets a good package because of the Union, it's the CBA they have worked up with all the other company's that Tesla have to either match or supersede. Tesla workers in America for example get's a worse deal than Swedish Tesla workers because the Union's are weaker there. Job security, and work safety is not something Tesla is offering tho, thats something you would only get with a CBA. Just read about the case of Lukasz Krupski.

@GeococcyxVelox

7 ай бұрын

@@ThreeStarVagabondmisleading. Actually the judge ruled squarely in Tesla’s favor addressing Tesla’s point of contention that while PostNord can sympathy strike, it has no right to hold Tesla owners’ license plates hostage. The union must surrender the plates to Tesla or their agents for final delivery to owners.

@JanBruunAndersen

7 ай бұрын

​@@GeococcyxVelox- it is my impression that both cases are still working their way through the Swedish legal system. So far it is only a lower court (Tingsrätt) that has made any ruling. A temporary one at that if I understand correctly. Rulings can be appealed to Länsrätten, and finally to Högsta Domstolen. So saying that Tesla won in court is premature.

Tesla would rather leave the whole country then sign anything.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

I agree... I just hope that they can sell the cars here somehow anyway!

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

They could, just like they union would have put on the table if just tesla would want to even speak with them. Make a standalone company that handles workforce with a union agreement and rent them to Tesla repair center. Or rent them from a third party company but then you have less control of their knowledge.

@JanBruunAndersen

7 ай бұрын

​@@henrikl4244- and Tesla could air-drop the cars into Sweden?

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

​@@JanBruunAndersen Absolutely not. If tesla main company have no own employers in Sweden and those worker Tesla rent has a union agreement everything go back to normal... This is a way many American company that don't want a union agreement do, like amazon.

Not providing services for one specific company sounds more like a boycot to me, not really a strike.

@robin1987100

7 ай бұрын

Curious to see how this plays out for hydro extrusions, seems like a risky move.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

It's more like. You don't want your workers to be union members, so why would union members at other companies work for you... You could also add, why should my company with a union agreement help a company that doesn't want to follow the same tradition and have the same safety for their workers that I have to pay for...

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

I know way too little about what they do - but yeah, it does seem risky to jeopardize a relationship with Tesla like that.

@bobwallace9753

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 Why should workers be forced to join a union if they are happy with how they are paid and treated? This, to me, is nothing but a power play on the part of people who love the idea of unions without understanding when they are needed and when they aren't. And it's a boycott, not a strike.

@tovep9573

7 ай бұрын

They don't have any say. It's the unions that decide wich members will go on strike and what that strike will entail. And strikes count as a force majeure so no company can be held liable. @@robin1987100

looking at two seat aptera car they support right to repair pension I was at a union meeting guy was going to put rise on the ckeck we have three pensions national state and 4 01k the hall was going put money in state and 401k I said you can get money out of 401k may have to pay 30% in taxs

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Oof that sounds a bit difficult, with all the different pensions. I guess I should pay more attention to it all, but to be honest I find it a bit complicated here as well.

mcdonald 🥰

Why you sweden hate america

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

We don't, why do you think that? It's often we don't understand your choices and think you is little strange now and then. Guess you think the same about us, that's just normal. Sweden don't hate Tesla, we even buy a lot of them... The problem is that we love or life and Tesla by acting the American way in our country, could damage our country by not following the playbook. Just follow the tradition and sit down and make the agreement with the union ( as all other car manufacturers with employees in Sweden has) or just do as Amazon and this is over...

haha, the billionaires will falter under union power. thats why living standards in sweden are higher than in the usa

Swedish Mafia market 😂

Elon Musk should do a read up on Scandinavian history when a foreigner tries to push any of the 4 Nordic countries around.

But what are those Tesla workers lacking? What issue do they have? Ultimately, employees have signed contracts willingly, and a strike is a way to break this contract collectively. In Sweden there hardly is any argument for Tesla being a monopoly or dominating a sector.

@DanishSegaGamer

7 ай бұрын

This is how the system works in the nordics. we don't have minimum wage, but we have strong unions.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

Tesla is not blamed to be dominant in the sector or have a monopoly in Sweden. They are just asked to do as all other car manufacturers with employees in Sweden, to have a agreement with the union. That's all...

@matpet9994

7 ай бұрын

That is not really an argument, "others do it so they must do it. Again, what are the grievances? Sounds to me there are none, just a breach of contract by the employees. signing something willingly and knowingly and then collectively breaching that agreement without proper arguments.@@henrikl4244

@volundrfrey896

7 ай бұрын

The tesla workers overall don't want this agreement because the conditions in it is far worse than what they have now. It's a voluntary agreement that seems less and less voluntary.

@MrKalleKnast

7 ай бұрын

@@volundrfrey896 That's not how it works at all. Workers will not be forced into worse conditions by Tesla signing the agreement. The agreement is just an agreement to follow a minimum baseline. Tesla is free to go above the baseline and maintain their current conditions. The only reason workers would get worse conditions would be if Tesla decided so out of pure malice.

I see this two ways. Like you said Tesla has stand firm on not signing any collective agreements and will not unionize, so if Elon signs one it opens him up to a whole different set of problems in the USA. I don’t know enough about Swedish Unions but here the Union is known for protecting the lazy. It will be an interesting outcome to the strike no matter what side gives in. Great Video, stay safe till next time

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

I don't know if calling 75% of the Swedish workforce, including management, business units, and bosses lazy, is special logic. Swedes' productivity is not bad... But just to be clear, union don't protect workers for everything in Sweden. Fire someone lazy, union member or not isn't a not allowed. Not get incread wage, moved to a shit job or find things to fire the worker legal usually work. A lazy normal sooner or later do something you could get fired for...

@pkharper3525

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 I not saying anything about the Swedish workforce at all, our friends there are very hard workers, I meant to say the Unions in the USA are know for protecting the lazy workers not in Sweden. In a lot of ways Sweden is much more advanced than the USA with vacation time, education and healthcare.

@tjmtor

7 ай бұрын

@@pkharper3525 Or maybe you've only heard the noise and lies from the corporations.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't think it's that easy to see what's right and what's wrong here. There are reasons for both sides' actions I'd say. But thanks for checking it out, and I just hope people stop arguing and find some sort of solution.

@bobwallace9753

7 ай бұрын

US laws require that companies allow workers to organize if they want to. While Elon initially opposed unionization in Tesla's US factories he soon understood the laws and told workers to form/join a union if they wanted. US workers, the vast majority, have not wanted to join a union. They prefer working conditions, management style, and stock options provided by Tesla and see nothing to gain by unionization. Unions are fine when employers do not treat employees well. But if a company is doing right by its employees then unions can end up being only a disruptive force.

Tesla well never cave to any union.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

Just because or because the union in US is bad?? Well, this is in Sweden...

@volundrfrey896

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 And in this case they're really are bad, trying to force workers into a crappy deal they don't want.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

​​@@volundrfrey896 No one force the employer into anything. Forget everything you belive about union... Everyone in Sweden has the right to be or not be union member. If you are union member you have the right to a union agreement at work. When we talk about cash, that a minimum wage when Sweden dont have one by law and wage increases yearly bases on every branch economy. So it follow companies economy more or less. Tesla would not need to do any changes at all, they just under the Swedish average so they could keep those wages. In this Tesla strike its most likely working conditions that tesla would need to work on. I would guess, holiday, sick day and if someone is home with sick child is things US leaders would have hard to understand. We know also from other countries Tesla has more working accident than other car manufacturers.

@volundrfrey896

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 If metal is trying to force tesla to sign the agreement, which goes against the wish of their employees. That's irrefutable considering all they've been doing and that it's only one (1) recently hired guy who supports it, who also happens to be active in IF metal. Sick days, holiday and so forth is generally set by law. Not by unions. Sure people like me who doesn't have one of these agreements gets an extra five days over the mandated 25. But you can look up their deal today vs what they're proposed and see that they have an objectively better deal now.

Tesla better watch out. the Chinese brands are very competitive both on quality and price.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

I think the same goes for other big European car brands - the competition is getting fierce from the East, and EVs means that new brands can make a big impact..

@bobwallace9753

7 ай бұрын

The global market for vehicles is so large that it won't be filled by only one or just a couple of car companies. At this point it looks like Tesla along with some Chinese and Korean companies will dominate the EV market.

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

@@bobwallace9753 I see a lot of Volkswagen as well, especially in northern Europe. I think things might change radically in just a few years, given that EVs are such a new market. It'll be interesting to see what happens

Well this is a fair and good video, objective, but there is a lot of issues in Sweden where union demands higher pay and even if there is a signed contract the employees and unions strikes anyway if they don't get to the desired ask from salery etc.. Also worth to mention, 1 week ago on the Swedish SVT Agenda the discussion was mentioned that the union is blackmailing Tesla rather than negotiating, whereas the union think/states this is negotiation, I'm with Tesla on this and its blown out of proportion @Three Star Vaganbond, please if you can, bring the effort to raise Spotify too as its in the shadows relative to this, with the same issues and founded in Sweden...

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

Of course, there is different view at the strike in Sweden. Would have been strange otherwise. But trying to talk with the other part for 5 years is not trying to negotiate. Its hard to do it alone. And when the other part take in other workers to make striking mechanic's work, would say that also is something that not directly make it easier... How often is it strike in Sweden? Sounds on you that the Swedish union love fighting... I believe I have worked with someone who's been on strike. Could it be around 25 years ago we even worked together...

@christoffersjogren6898

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 I don't think its that often per say, but this last year I think threats have been up many times, my comment was aimed to just high light that even being on a union contract as soon as the business is not giving what the union or employers want it threatening with strikes. The interesting part in general is that you are free to choose as a company if you want to sign a deal or not, and in many cases it never comes to this... But as of now the free choice as of not making a deal, 5 years into it they really want to make an example here of Tesla. Second I think if you bet big be prepared to loose some too, but I think they aren't prepared on the union side. Another note from the video too, the union agreement is created 1909 it seemed, so it might be just some year or century too old. Having mentioned this I do like the view of having salery, pension etc as safety but in the way its settled now I would also take stance agains it, I would also see is as someone blackmailing me to something

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

Yes, you are free as a company to not sign... Just like union are free to not let their members do any work for that company. Is that not the totaly freedom for everyone 😁... But to be serious, if a worker want a union agreement the company have not much power to stop the union. Yes, that could be a problem if the union would demand more and more and more. But is not the union and companies normally agree quite easy most times? What the union demand in the agreement is absolutely nothing extream. We know by statistics worldwide that Tesla workers has more accident, so as a tax payer I would want that someone check Teslas safety at a daily basis, and in Sweden thats done by union members. There are stories about Tesla threat workers and so on. I don't know if its true... but how could we know if Tesla close the door...

@ThreeStarVagabond

7 ай бұрын

It looks like the rabbit hole just keeps on going on this one... I'll see if I can follow up with something interesting!

@bobwallace9753

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 "But is not the union and companies normally agree quite easy most times?" Not in the US. Are you aware how long the recent autoworkers strike lasted? The writer's strike and the actor's strikes lasted far longer. "We know by statistics worldwide that Tesla workers has more accident," That is not true in the US. There was an early accusatory report claiming that Tesla had a high injury rate but it was discovered that the reporting agency was comparing Tesla, a factory, to Silicon Valley tech company injury rates. A tech company where the big dangers are mostly leaning back too far in your office chair. When compared to other US car factories Tesla has a below average injury rate. In the US the federal government monitors injury rates.

This is why most of the big tech companies don’t have offices in Sweden. If you look at London there are lots of tech jobs and people easily find new jobs. Even during a recession there are lots of jobs in London.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

It's around 0,9% working with high tech work of UKs totaly workforce and 0,6% in Sweden. So so hug different.

You are only hurting yourselfs, your consumers, your workers and your reputation! Tesla will continue to grow anyway 😊

Making faces in your video suggesting "meta" mensagges.....is maybe a standard SWEDEN way for be polite ...BUT, at the end of the day, you cannot manage the TRUTH!

I'm on Tesla's side, these old legacy mafia organization's are out dated since many years ago.. They need to find someone else to give them a huge chunk off their salary away getting nothing in return..

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

American? You just said 75% of all workers in Sweden including bosses, management, project manager are mafia members or at least pay the mafia. Let say a China company would build a site in US, should they not follow what's expected by US? If you are American, then forget everything you believe you know about union when talking about Sweden. It's a completely different country and a complete different union...

@tovep9573

7 ай бұрын

CBA doesn't mean the company pay any money to the union. What it does mean is that the workers gain legally binding rights in a number of areas - like working conditions, pensions and so on. Sweden doesn't have a minimum wage as these kind of legal "floors" are bargained for in the CBA with a bransch specifik union. Undercutting this is undercutting the Swedish, or indeed the Nordic, model. And trying to win advantages over other companies who play fair. That is why Danish unions have now joined in on the strike against Tesla. It's defending our way of life.

@volundrfrey896

7 ай бұрын

@@henrikl4244 That's not what he said, and "75% of all workers..." that's not how unions in Sweden work mate. But the workers in this case does not want this agreement, and it's supposed to be voluntary. To use extortion to force them to sign an agreement the workers don't want is what the mafia did/does. If we no longer want it to be voluntary then it should be written into law and truly be mandatory.

@henrikl4244

7 ай бұрын

​​​@@volundrfrey896 He said Union is a outdated old mafia.... So in that case 75%, sorry 70%. It was 75% some years ago, is member and support the outdated old mafia... maybe not in their beliefs, but pays for it. And it's both white to blue colour in Sweden thats union member including many if the bosses at workplaces. You are not forced to join union as a workers or companies are not forced to sign a agreement. Have never said that. And it's enough with one single worker at Tesla for the union would try to get a agreement. But one more time, no, Tesla don't need to sign the agreement. Just like Swedish union workers don't need to do work for a company that don't want union agreement. If Tesla don't want anything to to with the union, then don't expect to use union members... Did not think the mafia stopped working for someone to force them.... Don't know how much is true, but there is story from striking mechanic's about Tesla threat their workers. In that case who acts like mafia? If you open business in another country just try to adapt, just like Amazon did in Sweden.

@skyfox77

7 ай бұрын

@@volundrfrey896 You dont need to be in a union to get the advantages of the Union agreement as long as the company you are working with has signed the agreement. Also, Tesla can give better agreements IF they want. The agreements from the Union are just the MINIMUN standards to be followed. Tesla does not even need to pay the Union anything, neither any of the employees.

this is one of the funniest things I've ever seen... and they're obviously using the word "strike" wrong. if the government is refusing to give Tesla drivers in their own country license plates that's evident that the government is using coercion against Tesla in an illegal fashion. he just needs to sue the government for the loss in an IMF tribunal.

As a Tesla stockholder, screw Sweden 😆

@ornestal2615

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for your support of the strike. ”El pueblo unido jamás será vencido”. ❤️✊

@Sony-ox7wx

6 ай бұрын

@@ornestal2615 as a Tesla shareholder, we already found a work around to swedish mafia blockades 🤭

@ornestal2615

6 ай бұрын

@@Sony-ox7wx: Thank you for your suport, we will win in the end.

@Sony-ox7wx

6 ай бұрын

@@ornestal2615 you are just hurting your own people 🫢 Tesla will continue to grow anyway

@Sony-ox7wx

6 ай бұрын

@@ornestal2615 you are only hurting your own consumers, workers and world reputation 🫢 Tesla will continue to grow anyway

American corporate greed vs Swedish humane approach to work and retirement. Americans would move away, I guess. America will never change, I mean not in my lifetime.