Seems like you are the first to get these motors and drive units. You were the first that I saw with the Model S Plaid motor teardown and now you are the first with the new Tesla motor and drive unit. Thanks for doing this and to the folks that help you source them.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Hopefully someone will lend me a Cybertruck when they start shipping!

@pashko90

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix Nah, next one let's do Semi battery teardown and analysis :)

@Golf_Cart_Customization

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ingineerix where are you located?

@charleshaggard4341

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix I would like to see the Lucid drive train and battery. Seems like no one has torn one of those down yet.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

You going to get me one?!? =)

Have a coffee on me! Wonderful to see the evolution of these boards... they're whittling away at things nicely and suits the cliche "The best part is NO part." mantra.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Clark!!!

Excellent video. Always nice to see your teardowns.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt, your videos are awesome too!

@RC-fp1tl

Жыл бұрын

Ayo, nice to see you here too Matt!

@aletius

Жыл бұрын

Well he was a former Tesla engineer after all, gotta check out what they're doing now

@brandonlong2064

Жыл бұрын

Let’s go!

This is the most underrated channel showcasing Tesla parts.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@calholli

Жыл бұрын

Weber Auto

I used to be engineer with a company that produced fork truck DC controllers (largest I had worked on was a 60V 900A) and later mobile wheelchair and scooter controllers. Super impressed with how compact and simple this design is! I know to make things simpler and cheaper its a lot of work (same goes for software - more effort to reduce code complexity).

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

This inverter can handle that current at 400 volts, and is way more efficient than any 60v inverter could be.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

I haven't gotten access to anything Lucid, so I can't comment. But I can say Lucid is a low-volume high-cost product at this point, so not a fair comparison.

@kiwijonowilson

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix For sure - high voltage for less resistance losses. When I started we had to use bipolar power transistors which under full load might have a saturation voltage of 0.5V or more - and very high switching losses too. The transistors were screwed down to big blocks of aluminium which in turn were bolted to the vehicles chassis for further heat dissipation. Because of the switching losses most controllers PWMed at sonic frequencies (except some that use speed up transformers to achieve 20 kHz). When the metal transistors blew up it was quite spectacular (where I used to test controllers had marks on the walls for many years)! MOSFETs (and subsequent variants) were a revolution. Even so the Tesla engineering is top notch for sure.

Still the best technical tesla content there is. 👏👏👏

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the compliment!

@rsc9520

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU for posting this great video !!!

A lot better than Munro teardowns, he would complain about the number of threaded fasteners.

It’s impressive that you know all that and you don’t work for Tesla. It really shows your knowledge.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@pashko90

Жыл бұрын

Where is a lot of talented engineers around. You see, if you work for Tesla(or any other big corporation) you will gonna be tied down by NDA almost always.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is why I do not ever want to work for Tesla.

Good to see you are continuing with posting excellent content. Your circuit board component descriptions are very interesting to me.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks JWP, Much appreciated!

Great video. Very informative and well presented.

So glad to see this. Thanks for doing this teardown and video!

Thanks for taking it apart! (and for putting it back together again)

I subscribed, great job. While I didn't know very much about what you're talking about ont he invester board it was good to see the evolution of the motor and you pointing out the differences. Thanks.

Wonderfully detailed. Next to Munroe Live one of the best technology-focused Tesla channels!

So cool. Thank you for making these tear down videos for us.

Wow, that was fantastic. I learned more in your short videos and watching several other presenters hour-long videos please keep up the good work

We need more people like you. Fantastic information. 👏 Permanently subscribed.

Great teardown, the embedded transformers for the gate drivers are brilliant!

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Garth!

great teardown and high-level explaination. Thanks!

YAY! You're back. Awesome content as always. Really appreciate your stuff. Thanks for another excellent teardown.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, I'd need 50x the subscribers to be able to afford to make videos full time. Doesn't look like there are that many people willing to.

@adamshawley594

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix Well, I sure hope you get more, I often post your channel on Reddit in discussions where people are discussing the innards. I'd love to see a piece with you and the Munro folks. I think that your knowledge is an area they gloss over.

@hientan605

Жыл бұрын

Is this 1k drivetrain?

@Frank_W.

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. Invaluable Information even though it’s mostly over my head.

Thanks for the video!

Good to see you back!

Very nicely done and much appreciated. I've already subscribed and liked this vlog.. thank you

Glad to see you posting again! Love your content.

BEFORE you ask, look here: If you would like to support me directly: www.paypal.com/donate?hosted_button_id=DT4S6DVGSBX3W The Tesla part number for this Drive unit is 1665000, so I'm calling it the "Triple 0". Tesla also has a 3 letter designation of 4D1. Weight (wet): 194 lbs/88 kg Parts on PCB: Main DSP: TMS320F28377DPTPQ www.ti.com/lit/gpn/TMS320F28377D-Q1 Safety Controller: 16324 1TC TC14427 2212 (assumed Tesla proprietary) Gate Drivers: STGAP4S www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stgap4s.pdf IR Temperature Sensors: ACC T5977510 (Could not locate) Digital Isolator 1: ISO7741FQ www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/iso7741-q1.pdf Digital Isolator 2: ISO7762FQ www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/iso7762.pdf Analog Isolator: www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/amc3330-q1.pdf Pyro bypass fuse: Buss TS-10A05F T10AH500V PCB size: 11.5" x 7" (292mm x 178mm) Haripin stator appears to have 54 slots with 8 bars in each. Stator resistance is 8.1 milliohms, vs 10.4 milliohms for the Gen 3. (taken with 4-wire kelvin connections on my 6.5 digit Keysight 34461A using a 10 second sample time)

That inverter is a work of art!

@pashko90

Жыл бұрын

Looks like where is not too much changes in comparison with a model 3, just some optimisations and cost reduction.

@DavidJohnson-tv2nn

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't look very repairable.

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Not really lol!!!

@grahammonk8013

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn There was a tear down of the Mach-E inverter, (I think it was that one) it was was even less likely to be repairable, and it was certainly much harder and more expensive to assemble in the first place. Lots of places where things could be screwed up during assembly.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind, it doesn't have to be repaired if it doesn't fail. That's what Tesla is trying to achieve here.

I subscribed, I hit the like and now I place a comment. That is all I can do. Thanks for the content, it was great to watch! Greetings from Hungary!

@Juz4m

Жыл бұрын

Share the link on social ;)

Thank you for all the info. Appreciate it!

What (still) impresses me is that this basic motor concept drives all vehicles from Model 3 to the Semi (we can no doubt add the new models as they arrive) It's essentially just a question of changing the gearing (and decoupling on the Semi ... Maybe the CT🤔?), then altering the power application map to suit the vehicle. "Genius".

Wow, so cool to see this new stuff ^ Thank You Phil. BTW Your welcome to my Cybertruck if you still don't have one by the time my reservation delivers. For a one man band you do great work.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Danny

Great many thanks for sharing. Very interesting looking forward to some test to compare great design so far.

Always excellent content from you! Top marks!

Huge THANKS for your hard work. I have watched the evolution on the video recorders from induction to brushed to direct drive. Mechanical hard drives going solid state with their magnets hopefully find ways into new cars and battery driven tools. Can't wait to find wheel motors on much lighter EV's for city use. Small personal scooters have already shown us where we are heading.

@101rotarypower

Жыл бұрын

Has anyone seen anything that defines what kind of power to weight make it “practical” to have hub motors when considering suspension reaction time, and wear and tear mounted at those points? Where might the tipping point be in that trade off? Are those even the “right” factors to consider?

This is really good as I bet @MunroLive would like to see it!

Well done. Thx for doing the video. Liked the hairpin motor views.

Great job and thank you for the look inside!!! Liked and subscribed 😉👍

The thing with infrared sensors for FETs (IGBTs?) temperature monitoring has blown my mind! Seems like an ingenious solution, where you don't have to rely on physical contact, clearances and thermal compounds to relatively accurately measure the temperature.

@grahammonk8013

Жыл бұрын

Munro did a tear down on the Ford Mach-E inverter, (I think?) Much more convoluted to assemble. I remember thinking it was ridiculous in comparison to the first gen Tesla inverter. This one is from a different planet!

@moki123g

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. That stood out to me as well. No extra connectors or wires going to a thermistor, no extra tie downs. Just plop the board in and have a robot solder the fets.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

The first gen Tesla inverter was a mess. I don't like the mechanical design. (Large drive unit used in the S / X starting in 2012)

@moki123g

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix Are you talking about the triangular FET design one?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

@@moki123g Yeah, poor mechanical design. They are prone to leaking coolant and self-destructing (among other things). They no longer make it, the newer designs are superior. Can't fault them too much, that was very early days in 2011.

Thanks!

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, Thanks Dave!

Some of the best teardown videos on KZread

Wow great new views of evolving Tesla tech. Thanks for a fine video and explanation.!

I'm curious to see a measure of phase to phase resistance on the hairpin design vs previous windings, this could identify if there's additional material in the slot or the same amount, cost optimised. Thanks for everything you do! ❤

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Gen 3 stator was 10.4 milliohms, and the new one is 8.1 milliohms. (taken with 4-wire kelvin connections and 10 second sample)

Very nice presentation. Just subscribed. NOT too technical. Did I miss weight of new unit vs old?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Slightly less weight, The weight is listed in the description and pinned comment.

Great break down, subscribed!

Great video- love to see the continued innovation

Welcome back!

You can see the spacex design philosophy coming through every gram counts leading to saving and full circle to first principles design and efficiencies

@rogerstarkey5390

Жыл бұрын

I think it's always been "X" (Elon) "design philosophy (?) It's just applied to every problem by whoever needs it.

Love the video. Nice to see the evolution of the manufacturing process of Tesla. Thank you for making the video.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great breakdown! Thanks! Great explanation of the pyrotechnological circuit breaker. And I love Wera tools ♥️

Thanks for sharing.

Really appreciate your generous knowledge sharing. Great insights.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, much appreciated!

Thanks

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Wow, Thanks Sean!

Nice work. It was nice to see the hairpin stator.

Keep going mate… your videos are great.

Also the thermal sensor, like you said, need a near black body surface to be accurate or instead they need a correction table with copper emissivity.. which is unprecise, add noise and might also be problematic with reflection as copper reflect quite well frim 500nm to the few um spectrum

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they are all aimed at very matte black surfaces.

Extremely well done. Thanks.

Very nice, sir. Can't wait to see the mosfets

Excellent video that many may not really appreciate due to how technical it becomes but at the same time you explain how they've actually been able to simplify things making it cost-saving. Since Giga NV makes motors and is then sent to Fremont for final assembly, doesn't it seem logical that any and all advances will be utilized throughout Tesla's plants?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Maybe eventually, but they clearly will roll out a new production tech at one location first.

@pashko90

Жыл бұрын

Yep, this videos is for sure is not gonna be popular as new reviews of apple iphone/ipad/another useless accessory. This videos require some sort of brain to watch.

this is awesome. thanks so much for sharing. very cool to see this development. I wonder how long it will take until the first openinverter hack is done on this particular revision. Damien just got his m3 rdu spinning. love the more compact inverter assembly and hairpin motor windings

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

The problem with open inverter on a hybrid PMSRM like this, is that Tesla has probably tens of thousands of hours development into the inverter firmware, which is why this is one of the most efficient and power-dense motors produced. If you just toss that and roll your own with on;y a few hundred hours (if that) of development is you lose a lot. I prefer to drive the motors keeping the Tesla firmware intact.

@pashko90

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix ideally yes, you just need to capture a CAN commands and sell a separate box to drive unmodified drive unit.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

It was a little harder than that due to the immobilizer cryptographic authorization, but after some effort I was able to figure it out.

@diksonyar

Жыл бұрын

Hello, Phil. how can I contact you? Maybe I need your help with engine management for a Tesla M3 all-wheel drive project

@EEGworld

Жыл бұрын

So I'm guessing your canbus command device is not available?

Thanks for sharing!

thanks for the interesting video!

WOW Thank you so much, I saw the hair pin stator with the rectangular wires and my jaw dropped. The fact you knew you had to design fixtures to prevent a rotor magnetic crash during disassembly really impressed me. Tesla is years ahead.. I really enjoy your teardowns.

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Stop talking nonsense please!!! Do you realize that Tesla is basically the last one to use hair pin design!! Even sandy munro said that in his last videos! Even the 2012 bmw i3 already had that design lol!!!

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

Remy (now a part of BorgWarner) has been using hairpin windings for at least 15 years, supplying them to major manufacturers such as GM.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Actually Hairpin stators have been in production since the 60s. It's Tesla's evolution that enables lower cost and higher performance that's the neat part here.

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix wrong!!! Other manufacturers also makes it cheaper and powerful too lol!!!

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix how has Tesla lowered the cost or improved the performance of the hairpin windings?

Did you weight any of the parts, is there any weight savings over the last generation? Thanks for the video, very insightful!

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

I there is a modest weight savings over the previous generation. The weight is listed in the description and pinned comment.

Great content! You explain so clearly even computer scientist like me can understand. ;)

Another great teardown review 👍

The latest wall connector also has an IR sensor for measuring the unit temperature as well!

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Nice! I should teardown one of these.

@FlorentHenry

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix I'm not sure I realized the implication of switching to an IR sensor? Accuracy? Cost? Energy savings?

@morrisg

Жыл бұрын

@@FlorentHenry IR sensor doesn't require direct contact to sense the heat, so voltage isolation is free. My guess is it reduces peripheral circuitry and cuts assembly costs.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Prior to IR the only way to measure temperature is direct contact which can be unreliable and/or present assembly challenges. I doubt the IR solution is cheaper, but it's probably not much in Tesla's volume either.

awesome work! any indicationsmarkings on the capacitor to denote voltage? I am hoping Tesla jumps to 800v architecture...

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

You will see a new inverter for this if they do.

@grahammonk8013

Жыл бұрын

I believe they have already said the Cybertruck at least is 1000 volt. Not to mention switching out the 12 volt stuff for 48 volt.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Here's hoping someone lets me take a Cybertruck apart! =)

Thanks for this!

Thanks for doing this

Thank you for this. Been watching you since the beginning. So out of curiosity, the dyno numbers on the MY suggest it has always put down slightly more HP vs. M3 equivalent. I know to some degree they’re nerfing the Model 3, which was calculated to have about 100A (within spec/ limits) left on the table. But, I always had a feeling they made a stronger motor for the MY. Do you think that’s where the difference HP is? Or simply just a changing the power curve just bc it’s a MY? (Could be both).

@chstra45

Жыл бұрын

Same hardware on both.

@L3uX

Жыл бұрын

@@chstra45 Ah ok, so it's all software. Interesting.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Same motor/inverter on both 3/Y, but they do allow higher power output. The Model Y is heavier, so they bumped the power a bit to allow it to try to keep up with the Model 3 a bit better. Yes, there is a lot of power "on the table" in this design, they essentially use the same parts in the Plaid. There are a lot of reasons to limit power, we have to consider the battery pack, powertrain longevity, chassis traction limits, and finally marketing. They don't want a performance Model 3 showing up their expensive flagship Model S.

I tought that these ferrites were in place to measure the output phase current, but as you said these are individual small power supply for galvanic insulations of various supply area maybe?.. but where are the phase current sensors then?

@reportingsjr

Жыл бұрын

He mentioned those at 10:00. They are Hall effect or flux gate sensors next to the bus bars.

@Doctorbasss

Жыл бұрын

@@reportingsjr Thanks Jon !

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

No, these are to supply isolated power for the gate drives. There are no motor-level currents anywhere on the PCB, those are on the welded copper bussing. Where the 3 bus-bars pass through the PCB there are 2 flux-gate current sensors. I point this out at around the 10 minute mark.

Excellent video. Thank you!

Great teardown

For the hairpins, do they use a form of Litz wire in bar format? Similar to Lucid's laminated hairpin but hopefully better (matrix rather than stack and if we're lucky woven to reduce hot spots). Obviously insulated threads and compressed down to a "bar" to create the hairpin...

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

I don't believe these are laminated, but I didn't want to cut into them to find out. I think the loss is low enough that overall it's a wash.

@morrisg

Жыл бұрын

No, the copper conductors are solid rectangular cross section. You can see this on the Investor Day video at minute 58 or so, play at 0.25 rate and pause the quick clips of video of the ends being laser welded to see for yourself.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Here's a cool video from the company I suspect Tesla got the production technology from: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZeczpVrYq-1crQ.html

Thank you! These Tesla drive units are the new “Small Block/LS” swap❤️

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Nope!! The small black is lucid much smaller drive units lol!!

@grahammonk8013

Жыл бұрын

@@carholic-sz3qv The Lucid one might be better compared to something like a Porsche or Ferrari, these motors are much more accessible and better bang for the buck. Very like an LS motor in that respect.

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

@@grahammonk8013 nope it's not! Porsche is a totally different topic, and lucid Is eventually going to make more accessible cars too( to survive)

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

@@grahammonk8013 also there are tons and more other options in the market apart from car makers Damien Maguire has been exploring those.

Thanks. This is great. I am very happy to see your video again.

It really looks alien.... unreal and amazing tech. Thanks for sharing!

Hi, proposal for a new video: i would be curious to see wether the latest battery BMS and DC charger allow now the BI-Directional current flow (as possibly announced durin the investor day) to permit the Vehicle to Grid or Vehicle to Load function (like most of the chinese OEM do).

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

The PCS architecture in currently produced vehicles is unchanged, There is no AC V2G/V2L, I already have 2 videos on this. DC export is possible, but Tesla doesn't currently allow this.

@stefanvanzyl9090

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix With the work you've managed to do getting into these systems, how hard do you think it would be to ?safely? enable DC export via the power connector/existing socket? There are more and more HVDC to 230Vac inverters available in the solar market these days, most of them being bimodal and in capacities of 50kW+ in the residential/ light commercial space. I presume tesla has ways to check whether any HVDC is "leaking", so tapping into exiting wiring wouldn't necessarily provide bi-directional access to power either?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanvanzyl9090 People keep asking me this. Sorry; Yes, it's possible, but I'm generally not inclined to help people do this due to the extreme hazard involved. A 400V DC shock is approximately like 800VAC, it's super dangerous. The arcing potential is high, and the amount of amps the battery can supply is terrifying. Tesla's got a lot of safety systems designed to keep the HV away from people, but if you "tap", then you are bypassing this. I'm happy to discuss over email if you like, but I can't condone anyone without proper qualifications attempting such a thing. General electrical knowledge is just not enough, and if you are qualified then you'd already know how to do this, and do it safely. I did it in 2015, and it's not a problem, but non-trivial.

Great video. Have missed you lately. Subbed and Liked. Do you know when Tesla started installing this motor in M3 and MY and is it only cars made in Texas?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

So far I am only aware of it being used in some Model Ys produced in Texas. There is no difference a driver could determine, and there is really no reason to go out of your way to try to get a car with this motor.

Every time I rewatch this video I learn something I Miss the 3rd time I watched it Thank you so much

Great video, nice work, keep doing what you are up to . . .

Can you explain benefits in hairpin vs stranded copper wiring? Is it just cheaper to produce or is it actually better for performance/efficiency? Less/more skin effect?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

This is a complex subject, but basically yes, it's cheaper, has better thermal performance, and power density. Skin effect can have an effect on efficiency, but not a big issue at the switching frequencies Tesla uses.

@eugeneputin1858

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix Got it! Love these technical videos!

@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck

Жыл бұрын

Cory Steuben showed drawings of fill rate on a Munro Live episode

@eugeneputin1858

Жыл бұрын

@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck they didnt talk too much about it though. Patiently waiting for them to get a motor to tear apart

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Here's a cool video from the company I suspect Tesla acquired the manufacturing technology from: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZeczpVrYq-1crQ.html

How can other OEMs possibly compete with Tesla's pace of innovation

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

So far they can't. Tesla now has a good heat start that they seem to be keeping. They also have significant cost reduction now through economies of scale and relentless optimization. It will be hard for anyone else to sell an EV for what Tesla is and still make money.

@Cross-xm2fr

Жыл бұрын

They're effed

@pashko90

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix And more over still looks pretty serviceable with all cutting costs modifications. Only a PCB build in transformers can be an issue.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

No, the inverter isn't considered "serviceable", you would just replace it as a unit. Luckily Tesla builds extremely reliable electronics.

@kyrylopetrov8747

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ingineerix well model 3 invertors from 2017 to 2019 almost all failing...and needs a replacement due to isolation failure I had one on bms_a035 error

Thank you for sharing, subscribed

Excellent video. Really clean disassembly of the inverter driver board. I noticed you covered all the serial numbers. Assuming that’s to protect the warranty. I doubt Tesla likes having their motors disassembled on production vehicles. 😀

First time I’ve seen this. Looks like Tesla has done a nice job on this design. Would love to know how they perform reliability testing and what the expected miles to failure is for 1% failure rate.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

We'll see!

Can you comment on the magnets and any rare earth usage?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

I don't have any way to analyze the composition of the magnets, but they seem strong enough to have some rare-earths still. Overall compared to other EV motors, the magnets are not that big though. (This motor is a Hybrid Switched-Reluctance that doesn't depend on the magnets as much)

@olyalphy

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix No worries, thanks for the reply! Yeah, would require some special equipment or tools to analyze. Recommend you checkout "Two bit da vinci" on his recent video on the next gen motor. Seems it is possible to get strong magnets with this new approach. We just don't know how/when/where Tesla are using 0 rare earths in their motors.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there are a lot of reports of crazy improvements in EV tech, especially batteries, but very rarely do these things actually end up in production.

Great ~Great breakdown as always.✍🏾💯👌🏾

Those planar ferrites are nice. That a clever way to make a transformer using circuit board copper foils as the windings. I had always wanted to employ them in a design but never got the chance.

How much is the total weight of this unit?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

The weight is listed in the description and pinned comment.

Wow! Awesome video. The engineering behind this is impressive. Competitors are going to have trouble staying in the game.

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Nonsense!!! What's incredible about it!? Other manufacturers have been using this type of hairpin winding for years lol!!!

You’re doing way better than I could, great job!! I gotta have a Tesla!

Thanks! Wow. Nice rundown.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dennis!

Would love to see a tear down of the new charger circuit to see if they’ve made a Bi-directional rectifier/inverter for that.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

They have not changed the architecture of the PCS (charger), and in fact it's now migrated from the Model 3/Y to the S and X. Tesla wants you to buy a powerwall, they don't want to take business away from that cash cow.

@philtrubey7480

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix I keep hoping. The power offtake from the car wouldn’t be a replacement for Powerwalls, it’s use case would be for powering things like power tools, or job sites, and for emergency backup power, but not for daily use like a powerwall. During investor day, I think it was Elon who said that all Tesla vehicles will have power offtake within a couple of years after remarking how Cybertruck will have it.

@moestrei

Жыл бұрын

I think bidirectional will be done on the DC side.

@carholic-sz3qv

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​@@philtrubey7480 vehicle to grid is mostly a thing to use in emergency situations

@philtrubey7480

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@@carholic-sz3qv yes but very helpful in those situations. We could get rid of lots of 5kw standby generators if we had power off take.

Last year I visited a company in germany which builds the machines which manufacture those hairpin Stators. Its really fascinating to see those machines first bend and cut the individual hairpins and then assemble the complete stator. That company said they supplied Tesla with such machines, so i guess those are the fruits of that labor.

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Other manufacturers have been using that hair pin design for years lol!!

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's been around to my knowledge since the 60's.

@FlorentHenry

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a name to share? Would like to check out if they have videos or more info - out of curiosity.

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Probably this company: www.felsomat.com/electric-motors/hairpin-stator And here's a cool video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZeczpVrYq-1crQ.html

@FlorentHenry

Жыл бұрын

@@Ingineerix interesting, thanks! Any clue why Tesla initially choose windings instead?

Wow. Very cool. Thanx!

Awesome video. Thank you.

I can already see Sandy trying to pick his jaw off the floor. The cost down on this vs. last rev is a work of art I'd say they dropped 13-18% just in material cost. 35-40% from the hairpin, another 8-12% on the driver. I can easily see this with an induction rotor in a 25k car with a 65kwhr battery I bet they shaved 15-20kg off the unit weight and that's says a lot given how Good the last one was compared to the rest of the ev market

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

Lol!!! Nope it's still not enough for a 25k car and they also first need to make the Cybertruck

@carholic-sz3qv

Жыл бұрын

The mûrir design has absolutely nothing special that's what other manufacturers have been using

@BatterVswithAntonio

Жыл бұрын

Progress for sure. This is a step up from the last one I saw.

@ZoeyR86

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@carholic1336 I have a cybertruck pre-order in the first 500. So, of course, I agree. But the inverter + hairpin stater + an induction rotor in volume here is under $ 1500 usd with tesla's currently around 85-90$ per kwhr, so a apx 6000$ usd for the battery. So expect all the running gear to be under 10k$ then just the body costs, and with the die-casting, the costs have dropped dramatically. So yes, tesla taking advantage of all its current IP, a 25k car will be easy

@BatterVswithAntonio

Жыл бұрын

@@ZoeyR86 🍵 saying some true things here. Battery cost is the next big thing.

Damn phill there’s no oil filter for meat heads to replace every 3000 miles ..I need something to change !!

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

Tesla considers both the lubricant (ATF9) and the filter to be lifetime. I advise people to change the ATF9 every 40k; cheap insurance. No need to change the filter because it will never really have much contamination. It's not like an ICE with blow-by combustion products and high-temperatures contaminating the oil.

@bencrilly209

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@@Ingineerix correct me if I’m wrong phill but isn’t the fluid mostly used for heat transfer ?

@Ingineerix

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@@bencrilly209 Well, the primary function is lubrication. There just isn't that much heat to remove in normal driving. In fact, if you disconnect all external cooling from the motor it will drive all day at highway speeds with no problem.

@bencrilly209

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@@Ingineerix but they do use the heat exchanger for removing heat from the oil to heat the coolant but that’s not really used for removing heat it’s just used to heat the coolant for heating the cabin or battery ?

@Ingineerix

Жыл бұрын

@@bencrilly209 Yes, they cool the lubricant and also use it for waste heat. My point was that it never gets "hot", thus the life of the lubricant is very long.

Thanks phil , nice video

Very interesting! Thanks vor shearing 👍