I feel like Marques is missing the point. A human shaped robot will be significantly harder to make than a specific special purpose robot. However, if you can solve that problem the utility from the bot will be orders of magnitude more capable and the utility of it is nearly endless. Not to mention the cost benefits of focusing on a single form factor compared to 10's, 100's, or 1000's of specially purposed robots to achieve the same capabilities the Tesla Bot MAY be able to perform.

@alejandromanzo5262

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Lets even assume this robot is not perfect until 10 years from now. All these small robots still need to be made, designed, sold. By the time you can buy them you are only a few years away from a robot that does everything. Those companies waste time, money, resources that will make their products obsolete.

@pilotavery

2 жыл бұрын

Building the robot is the easy part. Boston Dynamics is a good example. The goal is to pair a simple humanoid robot with a very advanced Brain that's capable of doing an endless amount of tasks with simple everyday human handheld tools. Instead of building 50 robots each to do a different little task like strip wires and cut wires and twist knobs and flip breakers to make a robotic electrician, just give them a $100 set of electricians tools that already have existed for decades and have this robot do it for you. But it's also the robot that can drive a truck or can literally do any generic task. Because it's like a human in that regard. This is going to completely fundamentally change assembly line labor

@brantworks

2 жыл бұрын

It’s also the final AI problem in a real sense. It’s solving sentience (or at least general “awareness”) in the essential form factor! Also, why are these guys taking it so literally: The form factor and specs are only aspirational at this point. Isn’t this supposed to be a smart channel for smart people? This negativity and literalism is underwhelming.

@Alvin-my6wj

2 жыл бұрын

Before iPhone, we had fax, camera, photos, appointment, music player, etc… All went away with iPhone. Think about that.

@waynelewis9110

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on. Also, human society was built by humans, and overwhelmingly for humans, so this idea that a humanoid robot wouldn’t be as useful as a task-specific robot overlooks this very important fact.

I think Elon is aiming to send those to Mars for tests and probably to build the infrastructure on Mars.

@Sbinott0

2 жыл бұрын

This.

@a.t.x.l

2 жыл бұрын

This

@voltgaming2213

2 жыл бұрын

𝐋𝐔𝐂𝐈 the human robot will not be as advanced to build infrastructure on Mars, we can use robot tractor and bulldozers to do it easily

Doesn’t Elon want to colonize Mars? And hasn’t he said a bunch of people would die going to Mars? Wouldn’t these robots be perfect for sending to Mars to build and prepare it for colonization without the loss of human life?

@jasonmcgee7457

2 жыл бұрын

Would also be good to use these to ensure that infrastructure is designed and built to be suitable for humans, not other robots like spot.

@voltgaming2213

2 жыл бұрын

We can built humans infrastructure with the robots we already have we don’t need a humanoid robot,we can instruct them to build the infrastructure but we need humans for making decisions and research and humans need to go there for research purposes to solve more problems than landing

@WajiraDissanayaka

2 жыл бұрын

Another godd point of view.. 👍

@CallMeVidd

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like that was definitely in the back of his mind when making these

Seriously ? I Never thought MKBHD would be this simple-minded about innovation and new tech, I always watch your videos and tech reviews, first because of you are a Tech enthusiast. Your opinion on this new Robot is unimaginative

@elevencrew6734

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you. MKBHD has vision limited to smartphones reviews.

I love how Andrew is so pessimistic about technology development lol 😂 "I'll be dead before X"

@patrickm1533

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I hope the robot slap doesn’t hurt too much

@ateebmushtaq4062

10 ай бұрын

Hope you're alive. X

I would LOVE to see y'all interview Tom Scott!

The point of the robot is to have something that can do almost every job so you don't have to design a new robot for every situation. Yes if you're talking about a single situation then it's cheaper to design a custom solution but by the time you're onto situation 1000 and every one of them required an expensive design and testing process with custom ai to make it happen then the Tesla bot seems like a good idea. Remember that this is how Elon thinks.

@ksc7957

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. It will make the tesla bot much more adaptable in real world situation.

@toptiertech7291

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but the more things it can do, the lower quality each of the tasks will be. Like washing dishes. The robot has to be completely water and soap proof. We can’t assume everyone has a dishwasher. Also for the groceries thing. Most places deliver groceries. That’s easier than having a robot

@at0m113

2 жыл бұрын

re: custom ai Most likely software will start out being written (by hand) for each task -- think like an Alexa skill -- while there will some basic "services" like object detection and manipulation, locomotion, etc that are shared between skills. This is way easier than starting from scratch for each task but you're not going to get every skill for free, by far.

@at0m113

2 жыл бұрын

@@toptiertech7291 > the lower quality each of the tasks will be. Like washing dishes. The robot has to be completely water and soap proof. Dubious claim and unconvincing example. A robot could use gloves or custom hand attachments. "Completely" water and soap proof as a bit silly. > Also for the groceries thing. Most places deliver groceries. That’s easier than having a robot ...and people do those jobs. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.

@toptiertech7291

2 жыл бұрын

@@at0m113 how is it a bit silly for it to have to be “completely” waterproof if it has to be able to get wet, possibly be in heavy rain. It sounds like you’re dismissing it because it doesn’t fit your narrative

There's a huge problem with the "action specific robot" argument. If someone builts one of them, it is only useful for that purpose, and that is vastly more expensive, and human labor continues to be cheaper (nobody wants to do that kind of investment). In contrast, if you have a humanoid robot, multiple companies will have interest in them, making them a smaller investment, achieving 90% of the benefits, with 10% of the investment they would've needed to make a specific robot, for that specific task.

Is washer-dryer combo not a thing in the US? Cause Marques talks about it like it doesn't exist 😂😂😂

@grundewa

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I know this does not exist in North America

@95BWG

2 жыл бұрын

Right? In Sweden they're standard in new apartments.

@Aosome23

2 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how far tech evolved. My old washer had a separate compartment for the washing cycle and spinning cycle

@marekmiks5177

2 жыл бұрын

@@95BWG exactly, I had it in a cheap student flat in the UK 😂

@tylercasper702

2 жыл бұрын

I remember the first time I traveled to Europe. The AirBnB where I stayed had one of these washer-dryer combos. I couldn't understand why the same machines don't exist in the US, as they are much more convenient to use. Eventually I discovered that it is an issue of space. In much of Europe, space is at a premium, and so 2-in-1 machines, which save space, quickly caught on. In the US, where generally space in homes is more abundant, having separate washer and dryer units allows a person to wash and dry two loads of clothing (or bedsheets, etc.) at the same time, effectively doubling their capacity to do some amount of laundry in a given time. Evolutionary pressure, one might call it.

I don’t want thirty robots in my house. I want just one or two to help me out with everything.

The thing about a bunch of purpose built robots is... you need space for all of them! Theoretically: a humanoid robot can literally wash clothes with its hands... And save the square footage area which would otherwise be taken by a massive washing Machine!

Been waiting for this one… Lol I actually work for that grocery company with all the bots, it’s called Ocado and mainly works in the U.K

"Don't forget to drink water" 😂😂😂

@printeh

2 жыл бұрын

A true hydrohomie

Was cool seeing your interact with the community like this and just have an a discussion format about this. Very healthy informative and really interesting to watch!

If you want to send it to Mars, you are going to need general purpose robot where it may not be best at everything but it could do everything

Loved the Discord discussion. Very patient and deliberate with the Q&A :)

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, it was very interesting.

You cannot mention the Tesla Bot announcement without their insane new chip that they'll be scaling in the near future. Software is the real issue in robotics, not necessarily hardware anymore. Tesla will be in a unique spot with their ability to train AI at insane speeds.

@omhekde9033

2 жыл бұрын

Chip deserved more highlight.

@harsimranbansal5355

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Software is the problem, not the hardware. If the software is capable then it can be in whatever form and it’ll work!

Specified Null's comments were amazing! Great episode everyone - thank you.

Good discussion. I think the single use form factor is missing a small point: the largest training set we have is how humans move in order to accomplish tasks. If you create a new shape/design, you have no examples to mimic and it becomes a reward based feedback loop instead, which would also be significantly limited in scope. Generalized is the key using massive sets of data, human form is the most documented of all forms.

I really love the format you guys are putting out. First a highly polished video about something than a deep dive as a podcast. Perfect! I think the humanoid robot makes sense if it could do all the tasks a human can do like a personal butler. So it could do all the stuff that's not fun but doesn't occur on a daily basis so it wouldn't make sense to have a specific robot for the task. Like building furniture. like a janitor basically. But that's so complex that's so far away

You should interview Lex Fridman about the human-robot interaction side of things, he seems to have some interesting ideas, I don't know if I agree with everything but could give an interesting perspective.

Waiting to see the less advanced humanoid robot slap a very advanced humanoid robot! 😁

I'm halfway through this, sorry if this was said towards the end but my thinking is: Yes, having specific application "robots" is more efficient for the future. But a human-like robot makes more sense for us to get that future-like experience right now in the short-term since it will fit most scenarios. It won't be the most efficient for each tasks but it will fine for most tasks while having the huge advantage of being able to do MOST tasks, which is the real value of it right now. Not that we even need it right now (for most people) but this is how I see this being useful

@Obdus

2 жыл бұрын

Just finished, yes it was said in the podcast lol

I saw myself casually chilling in the event 😂

the thing is about the general human shaped robot, yes of course robots for specific tasks are going to do better for these specific tasks, however once you have a good human shaped robot, it can do most the other tasks for when the user either doesn't have a specific robot or they maybe can't afford a robot for every tasks. In the end there will be both, the world is mostly setup for humans, so there are a lot of places where a human shaped robot will make sense and will be a thing eventually.

@juancena9594

2 жыл бұрын

What they’re saying is that you and Elon are being super optimistic. If the tech ever gets to that point then it’ll be great but the tasked based robots are realistic and already happening.

@BruceChastain

2 жыл бұрын

@@juancena9594 Yes I heard that point too, but I think that's a separate argument. I'm not so optimistic that this will be something usable for the next like 7 years either but that's another thing.

When the slack notification goes off and i start to freak out that it was me haha

Now my Google wants to make coffee

Started getting groceries delivered during lockdown.... Hmmm... So I'm not sold on the groceries usage. So glad that they mentioned the Tommy Scott Auto grocery Warehouse video. That was scary cool.

@HarrisonAdAstra

2 жыл бұрын

And who delivers those groceries to you?

@nequals151

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarrisonAdAstra people. I guess. But I guess my point is that I think we're moving away from personally picking up groceries is all.

I think a good parallel to this discussion would simply be: How do you feel about general purpose AI? That is the end goal of AI research, after all. The general idea has always been that the human shaped robot would go along with Gen AI.

Here is an idea: someone has to screen what people are going to talk about. So make this text based and I every 30 minutes or whenever someone reads out a text version of the question. We need quality control

@printeh

2 жыл бұрын

That last guys ”revolutionary idea” that was in every movie, including freaking futurama?! And he just rambled on about humans was just a vessel for out brains… that was PAINFUL to listen to.

Finally the background is symmetrical !

I think this is what you are missing Marques: you posed the question “is it easier to improve the Hubble telescope, or make a humanoid robot?” Also, “is it easier to make an automated grocery store, or a humanoid robot” also “is it easier to make a dishwasher with a robot arm that can reach across your house and grab dishes, or make a humanoid robot” I think the question is answered when you combine it into one question: “is it easier to improve the Hubble telescope, make a crazy robot dishwasher, make an automated grocery store, make specialized robots for every task in a factory, etc, or to make a humanoid robot?” I think it’s easier to make the humanoid robot.

You can make it do anything that you can have another person do, it can teach you anything, show you anything, get you anywhere, etc. All while doing everything you ask without question, as efficiently as possible...

I personally like the idea of a spot robot with an arm/ arms that can be a better option. But great brainstorming! I think by talking about different ideas we can get to a better result!

This is the same thing they're doing with vision based self driving: an approach which is harder initially but if successful has a much larger use case and addressable market

1:00:00 That laugh lol!! GUYS I LOVE THE PODCAST!!!!

Noah's (Discord) example of why we have to learn how to drive and get a license, vs walking up and down stairs: the determining factor is how much of a safety risk does each scenario pose to other people around you. Walking stairs does not really affect others around you if you fail at doing it properly, where as driving badly can have much more dangerous consequences. It's why the learning process of one over the other is much more controlled in society.

@noah_the_nerd

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent point, I wish I had thought of that myself at the time!

1:00:47 i lost it hahahaha

@STNGR4Y

2 жыл бұрын

what's up checkmark

I’m sure they’ll manage to make something that walks and demos some specific applications well, but this is taking a form factor which demands a large number of degrees of freedom which makes the control much harder and it sets up expectations in people who interact with it so beyond just being creepy anyone who runs into one will think it’ll have human level intelligence and capabilities and when it doesn’t meet those, it’ll feel worse than if it had a non-anthropomorphic form

@josephsawyer4199

2 жыл бұрын

I believe this is called projection. Whether your projecting onto the robot or other people will have to be seen.

@TheHeavenman88

2 жыл бұрын

People seem to forget that contrary to Boston dynamics , Tesla as the best ai engineers , a Neural net infrastructure to train , etc. mastering the degrees of freedom will not be as hard for Tesla as people think . Do u guys remember the openai robot hand that could do rubics cube in almost any condition ? They will train something like that for the entire robot , and people jaws will drop.

13:30 Best use case that comes to my mind is a caretaker robot for elderly people to make their life easier 24/7.

@JJs_playground

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, I was thinking the same thing. Or as a robot butler / maid.

@stuck_around

2 жыл бұрын

tbh i think this is the worst case, these people need human interaction more than anyone and robbing them of their 1 human connection would be so terrible for their mental health/wellbeing. human interaction with their caretaker is quite literally the only thing these people have in a lot of cases. i would probably say it would be a great 24/7 supplementary helper bot, but still have a caretaker come in and out as always. (maybe you kinda meant this but i just found it important and wanted to clarify x)

@waynelewis9110

2 жыл бұрын

@@stuck_around Once Millennials and Gen Zers are elderly, they’ll likely not have that exact mindset. Besides, I can imagine that once I’m elderly, I’d much rather have a humanoid robot aid me than having to live in a nursing home. Of course, loved ones can still visit from time to time so interacting with a humanoid robot won’t be the only option. We’ll see what happens though.

You know what this got me jonesing for? MKBHD & The Studio giving their thoughts on pieces of tech from sci-fi movies like Minority Report, Elysium, Total Recall, etc.

You still need a person to operate application specific robots, so the general purpose robot can operate them

Discord input was dope!

VERY innovative conversation about the humanoid portion. I think that Marques is spot on. The thing is, tech and applications are developing almost exponentially , we are already making machine and services that act autonomously. It would make more sense to make everything else autonomous and have it interact with each other. We can easily make a machine that sort dirty dishes, wash them, dry them and sort them. we have recycling depots that can weigh and sort different sized bottles- we can use that technology in some type of way to help. to make a robotic butler seems like it just kind of kills the inspiration of AI. we can easily make a 90% autonomous kitchen and laundry system. you still have to go sit down and eat, you still have to select the food you want. you have to do SOME TYPE OF WORK lol . so you will have to AT LEAST put your dirty dishes in the sink and do a couple other things obviously. and the grocery store bit, with the amazon warehouse-style grocery store, and and TESLA, your car drives itself to the store, pops the trunk and a robotic cart loads the trunk, and the rest is history. laundry machine they already have machines that can wash then dump the clothes in the dryer (stacked on top of each other). Essentially, our lives would just be restocking, reorganizing and online shopping.

that discord session ..thats a great community...

That was the best episode ever!

I would argue that a humanoid robot is more disconcerting and creepy than just a thing that looks like a machine. I’d be freaked out if I’m walking through target and there’s a bunch of iRobot robots walking around getting stuff. Grocery stores already use robots on wheels to do stocking and what not. Walmart and Kroger. There’s also robots in use that roll down the sidewalks of my city to do food deliveries.

I would think the best option could be an adapted human form. Something with legs that could fold into a car like a human but split maybe into 4 vs 2 for better balance, or have treads on the feet to “roll”/“cruise” around vs walk but again split and walk up stairs… but with a mostly humanoid top.

@noah_the_nerd

2 жыл бұрын

Humanoid robot with built-in rollerblades could be surprisingly effective.

Essentially the question I would like to ask is if the human form factor is flawed than what other form factor that would be more adaptable across our life span and all the activities we have accomplished so far? I would say that human form factor is crucial for the maximum range of mobility to make it adaptable to "all" tasks. And that has to start some where and let this be a step forward to that direction.

If you look at home automation it is built around special purpose robots that are typically integrated with a voice assistant. Lights, cameras, locks, garage openers, blinds, thermostats. It's cheaper and more efficient for me to have these special purpose devices than one robot. If i want to lock my doors, close all my blinds, and turn off my lights I can literally give one command instead of having a robot run all over my house to do each individual task. They have robo mowers for lawns as well, so u don't have to do that either. And we aren't even talking cost. A highly mobile general purpose robot is going to be insanely expensive.

For those wondering how can they possible make a robot so thin when Atlas is so bulky? Remember how bulky Spot was during early development? Things as they are today are not things as they can eventually become. Boston Dynamics, or any other company, will always start off trying to make it functional before working on slimming it down and making it practical and consumer friendly. Not only is the tech advancing rapidly, but with a mega-cap company like Tesla behind it, who already have some great advancements with their vision AI and D1 chip, imagine what they can do.

Human form is by far the most versatile robot. If one is going emulate something , might as well be human.

Very excited to see OnePlus buds pro review 😁😁

That "guy" dancing was probably Grimes

That last guy went totally cyberpunk 😅

I feel application specific robots are improving with time, and the definition of robots has been visualized as per movies but any technical application that is automated to do stuff comes under the radar of robots. So Tesla trying a human shaped robot could be not a lot useful in its first iteration but it could lead the door to improve the process and eventually when released we could actually compare a humanoid robot vs application specific robots. Great Podcast though!

Interesting! Nice video ✌️

I'm no robotics expert but personally I think that the future of robots don't need a humanoid form factor. On one hand, I can see how they are superior in terms of intuitive-ness as in the far future, operating them may be as simple as giving them a voice command as if it's just another human being. However, I also agree with Marques' viewpoint about how the future may be in super specific robots performing super specific tasks. This route also has the advantages in repairability, as a humanoid robots' versatility may also become its downfall in the event of a malfunction; if the robot is out of action all the responsibilities and functions are unable to be performed whereas if one non-humanoid single function were to malfunction, the other robots in a persons' use will continue to operate as normal minimising disruption. Also, I don't think that the world isn't inherently designed for the human form, rather, everything that we as humans create try to make everything easier for us perform. I can't really explain it thoroughly, but for example we could completely omit the need to do groceries, such as the act of travelling, browsing stores and purchasing items, if we were to create a system where all these functions were automated, like if all products were delivered through a delivery tube simply by purchasing items through an interface, whatever form factor that may take in the future. This in my mind would be faster than programming robots to do the groceries the way we would. This may sound evil-villainy but I think that we can only surpass human limits and optimise functions if we abandon the human form.

Overall I appreciate the thoughts and perspective you guys present. But wow, starting at 11:35, a lot of what follows about AI, over the next few minutes, is misleading. The problem of self-driving is so difficult *precisely because* it really does require general-purpose AI. And the claim that FSD "has a very specific set of objects that it is going to react off of" I think illustrates the disconnect. The set of objects and scenarios that a self-driving vehicle should be able to identify and react to is nearly limitless. Doing this literally requires the car to understand the context of its surroundings. An AI designed to drive a car on the street has to be no less general than an AI designed to operate a humanoid which walks down the street, let alone one which carries out boring, repetitive tasks that don't weigh thousands of pounds and move at deadly speeds around other humans. While it may be true that a purpose-built robot will excel at the task it is built for, we clearly can't have a separate robot for every task a person wants done without ending up with dozens of robots per person. It's simply not practical to produce or purchase yet another robot for each new task, not to mention how inefficient and uneconomical it would be to have personally-owned robots that sit idle for 90% of the time.

Call the last guy from the Discord stage on the podcast! He seemed really knowledgeable :D

2 жыл бұрын

Or just have seen Robocop too much :D

If the world was run by pessimists, then we’ll still be in the stone ages. The best tech KZreadr with one of the most open mind for technology and innovation, with one of the most uneventful pessimistic individuals on any tech platform.

So for a human shaped robot I think the benefits in the short term would be that it would be cheaper to manufacture a single design that can do multiple things then having either increased manufacturing capacity or a higher cost per unit. And second you could use all the information gathered from learning so many individual tasks that the AI could likely be used to build better factories. The human form isn't needed but the capabilities are. So cheap manufacturing the quickly get the AI out and to learn. Refine the software then refine the form. Perhaps a quadraped would be better but perhaps the increased weight meant you would need a bigger battery and was therfore more expensive.

What’s the intro song? Absolute banger

One thing I think is being viewed the wrong way is people thinking it's easier to make a single-purpose robot to do any 1 thing vs a humanoid bot that can do it. But the more relevant comparison if you're making a multi-purpose robot that uses AI, is what would be better at solving the most problems at once rather than solving one at a time, and also future proofing that solution? So in terms of solving the most things at once, the more apt comparison is what's easier: Designing and building hundreds, or thousands of single-purpose robots to do one thing each, or designing 1 robot that can do them all? If you try to compare 1 to 1 then yes it will seem that it's easier to just make the single-purpose robot for this one thing, and then that one thing, and then that one thing, etc... But looking at the bigger picture and using first principles thinking, one can definitely make the argument that what it would take to build a multi-purpose robot that can do all the things might actually be less than what it would take to build the hundreds or thousands of single-purpose robots that would be able to do everything we do as humans in the long-run. In terms of future proofing: You would have to continue making single-purpose robots in perpetuity to solve every scenario that comes up, or if you make the use of AI and neural nets, a humanoid bot can learn how to do new things as they come up and continue to bolster it's capability over time without having to design something completely new every time, just like a human.

love ur podcasts

The last call is basically, talking about cybernetics. You might as well just download and upload at that point, just copy and paste ourselves. 😄

We need to come together more than ever

My Google home did not make me a cup of coffee. But Noah is right, all about that software. AI day showed they are already creating models to emulate human behavior for pedestrians based on camera data from the cars.

I think the idea of a humanoid robot is to promote the ability to interact into a human focused environment. There is a psychological component to make humans less startled or fearful to interact with a strange, unfamiliar shape...but the real benefit could be a robot that can drive a legacy car as well as /better than a human chauffer (sit in the drivers seat, operate the pedals, gears and wheel as well as the switchgear), move around a cityscape, into a home/office, negotiate stairs, prepare a meal, feed the disabled...sure a more specially designed robot could perhaps do most of these tasks slightly more optimally, but this is a human designed world and for a robot to do as many things as people can, the human form needs to be duplicated.

What a great podcast! The idea of transplanting our head tho, when we reach 90yrs old could be simpler. If we have a humanoid robot that we can control, and AR is also developing, then the Tesla bot could be the vehicle itself in experiencing everyday life and doing different tasks through haptic feedback etc.

The last Discord user was referencing the end of the movie "Chappie."

The best way understand humanoid form. Give a serious thought to answer below question. Imagine you need to establish a Colony on another planet. And you need maximum flexibility regarding the tasks you need to perform to study, adapt and build the infrastructure. What would be the best approach? Let me remind you, mars rover was completely useless when a dust storm covered the solar panels. Let me remind you that Perseverance rover is very complex as a locomotive and very inflexible with the way it can work with the on board science experiments. Argument is, it would be much better long term is we can send two humanoids and bunch science experiments in a box. It could even repair a faulty instrument and could recover the hardware sent on previous missions. Think about it.

I don't know if the Tesla bot is being designed for being used on Earth. To me it seems like Elon might be using the R&D budget of Tesla to build robotics for SpaceX's exploration and colonization of Mars. Using Tesla Bots to build the human infrastructure on Mars before humans get there and in return they'll be able to sell it to customers on Earth.

Yeah for outer space stuff i think it makes way more sense to build an specific specialized robot. Right think about it, you're in space, on a satellite or the moon. Both are environment's that are not the earth and are not built around us as humans. It also has a much more narrow scope. "fix the telescope".

That last guy definitely watches blade runner 😂

oo that brain in a robot bit made my head hurt

I think it's a project to train the ai with all the other scenario's a car doesn't catch. It's in humanoid form because it needs to see the world from a human perspective. I think the end goal is to have an ai brain that sees the world as we humans do. You can use this brain for all kind of stuff.

I like that tesla bothered to say one of the reasons for it was to do boring stuff.

Unrelated: I just don't understand why they don't break down and add front small lidar and sonar, just for an extra layer and check, for safety. Their cars probably wouldn't run into cop cars as much, if they diversified their input sensor array. Not saying cameras are bad, just saying why not get some extra data to add to the mix. Lidar sensors are a lot smaller now. It doesn't have to be a or b, it can be both.

How cool is it that we're even having conversations like this? Ultimately I think it's just hard to come to terms with the idea that a useful humanoid robot could be possible soon. I think fundamentally most people (including Marques) would agree that if you could just tell a robot to do something instead of doing it yourself because you don't want to... and they do it... even if you could do it better... that would be pretty fucking cool. And obviously humanoid is the form TESLA would go with because it can do the most things... because humanoid humans already do the most things... and because Tesla doesn't want to make grocery stores or dishwashers.

Will it mow my lawn? If so, I'm in!

Can see this happening down the track: Nuralink will stream your conscious into the chip then you can change “vessels”

I think that you guys are kinda missing the point. This is a job replacement robot so instead of trying to create a job for the robot to do look for job a job or jobs that are repetitive and boring. I personally think most minimum wage jobs fall into this category. Fast food you make the same thing over and over all day. Store clerks spend a fare bit of time stocking the store with new inventory. Hotels room attendance clean and organize each room almost the same way over and over again. I can't imagine janitorial work being terribly complex and even if I am wrong I don't think the tasks would very much day to day. So imagine if the head of some major ferm can buy three or four of these bots and replace there buildings entire janitorial staff, cafeterias whate staff, and the bulk of their overnight security staff. 3 to 4 bots to replace possibly 30 to 40 minimum wage jobs in one building.

Robot Shape 🤖: I feel a box is probably the most compatible, efficient, cost-effective shape. Easy to design for, easily modular, easily stored if multiples (stack itself). VERY practical. A shape is just a visual. It's hard to decide on the pefect shape. 🤖

It's weird that people forget that they can and probably will make more than one robot, this one proves a concept, they will evaluate and reassess if something else is needed, but for the particular area they are targeting initially seems to make sense.

The general purpose humanoid robot will eventually get here, but I think it will be awhile (10+ years). In the mean time, application specific robots will become more and more pervasive. The longer the general purpose robot takes to get here, the more value (and lower cost) it will have to provide to be viable in the market

13:23 I mentioned this on your main channel video. Wouldn't a self-driving shopping cart with an arm to pick up & place groceries be better at grocery shopping than a human pushing the cart? 15:14 I guess you addressed that 1:09:49 Unless you have some sort of remote control

The argument for making a humanoid robot is for ad hoc tasks. That's it. It's that simple.

56:46 this is basically Upload but a physical version

Please get Tom Scott in the podcast!

It’s gonna come down to mars though, they’re limited by weight so shipping hundreds of task specific bots won’t be an option they need human shapes robots to design a place for humans to live

Do american grocery stores not deliver? Most of the big ones here in the UK deliver at a smallish fee or free if you order enough. I guarantee it would be cheaper to get every grocery shop I'm going to do for the next 20 years delivered for a fee over purchasing a robot concept which will cost tens of thousands best case scenario.

Example, the Humanoid Form, could easily transform to a quadriped and become a spot shaped, or it could contort, beyond human form to adapt to SEVERAL different form factors, to adapt to many if not all situations. Even wheels could emanate to provide for speed and mobility. It's easier to work from the Humanoid Form down than from a specific form factor like a rumba bot up. Don't disparage the Humanoid Form Factor too much friend.

Did the dude just describe Krang from TMNT? At around 01:00:00

Wanted to post this in the discord but it's too long, hoping maybe someone sees it. I loved the latest podcast. TLDR: building robots is hard, I don't think they'll pull it off in a short space of time. Assuming they can make them, I believe they will start in niche applications and industry, move to public services, health care etc, then roll out more human mannerisms allowing more support / human relationship roles. Hopefully there is legislation and world agreement for them not to be weapons.... Legal and ethical questions about robots with emotions? Nuralink, summary of my opinions, and finally a question about if this is a good idea environmentally. So I had some thoughts on the Tesla robot I'd like to share as someone who's in the electrical and electronic engineering sector as an undergraduate having worked for / with a couple of companies. Robots aren't my specific field but I have a good amount of experience working on electric vehicles. So I'm also pretty pessimistic about how far Tesla will get in the time frame they've laid out, as there are very good reasons Boston Dynamics robots look they way they do. Humans are pretty unstable, which allows us to be nimble, and if you think of humans as robots, we have the most powerful computers in the known universe in our heads, our skin acts as a sensor suite across our entire body with a crazy amount of detail, and we have tons of joints ligaments and muscles that can move in a ton of directions, which allow us to maintain balance and execute the perfect movements to stay balanced. This is very hard to replicate in software, if you can make hardware good enough to feed that software with the data and movements it requires. It is however achievable given enough time and let's assume for the sake of my further thoughts that tesla pull it off in the relatively close future (like 5 - 10 years) So I would argue that tesla is playing a very long game (like most of their projects, ie renting a car service model). People initially will be uncomfortable with human-like robots, they are threatening and make us wonder our place in the universe and will we be obsolete etc... The initial roll out would be niche markets imo, with custom software running per task (rather than a software that can do every task like alluded to for a lot of the podcast). It would be similar to spot, doing dangerous tasks or understaffed jobs with little human interaction. Obviously industry would be the first market as they'll sell packages to support the clients properly and can monitor each contract individually and get a good PR image for the products. Once people are more comfortable with the concept in general, they will start to occupy jobs in the public sector. I recon things that require operating in the human world, collecting garbage, cleaning public spaces, maintaining plants and such, fixing roads. Once they are in society, and have been proven to be safe, effective and trustworthy it would only be a matter of time before they took on more roles. I think one of the major things being worked on behind the scenes would be emotional support, interaction and human like body language etc. Nailing this would allow robots to take on roles of nurses, therapists and other carer roles. These roles, humanising robots, I recon would lead to society giving them names, imagining (or experiencing) personalities and at that point people would want them in their homes, helping with tasks and doing all the things that humans need to live in a 1st world utopia. This is quite optimistic thinking, assuming no military contracts or oppressive police regemes had been developed out of these programs and hopefully we can put the fail safes in to protect against this. If we did end up in this utopia, the next stage would be forming proper relations with these robots leading to a strange world with legal and ethical issues, do they have rights? Are they still property if they can "fake" a personality? Are they approaching human with enough development? That is a whole world of avenues to dive down which I imagine Issac Arther would do a far better job of exploring. As for the idea of getting Nuralink to a point of putting brains in these robots, that's either a dystopic future where the rich live forever, or a post scarcity world where we have space mining and a foothold in the universe allowing us to do all the things that we dream of in science fiction. In conclusion, because I've made this post way too long, I think these robots will take a role in industry, assuming they are fully developed. And there's a chance that they will be integrated into our societal structures as assistants. Beyond that, I have no idea, and the rate at industry adopts, changes and moves (even with Elon's crazy push for tech) society will be very different and maybe more or less accepting of this tech. I will leave on a question though. What would be the environmental impact of building these? Assuming it's at scale? Will it fit the future where we need to be green? Will it help with that?

The last discord member was on the right track except did not take the idea of Nueralink far enough. There will be no need to transplant the head or the brain because you will be able to "backup" your brain digitally. That is the future. If I am not mistaken Elon at a Nueralink event even mentioned backing up the brain I think. Obviously we are messing with Westworld at that point and time and "fidelity" becomes a concern. I think the thing Elon is trying to fix with one robot to rule them all, is that just like Tesla AI in the cars, they have to be able to be prepared for all instances. Similarly a robot would need to do the same. When you start building robots for one task and any sort of "oddity" is thrown in to the mix they will shut down and need human intervention, but if you design a build a robot that can adapt and work around unknown obstacales....is that not better?

the form doesn't need to be exactly like a human, but just somewhat close, I could image the tesla bot could be very flexable to fit itself into a very small space, or it could even not have a front and back, so it wouldn't need to turn around.

The washing machine dryer combo has been around for years. At least in Europe....

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Yes for years. That confused me.

The robot model reminds me of the uniform for fencing

Funny how the main suggested use case already exists