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@sonlightobed

18 күн бұрын

😢😢😢

@christopherbettridge5983

17 күн бұрын

As far as I'm concerned, Then & Now provides some of the best content available on KZread and all the time I was supporting your work was worth every cent. As soon as I resolve my banking issues I'll be giving back to you for the meticulously researched and presented videos. Thank you for provoking my thoughts and critical thinking facilities. Respect

@ExiledGypsy

14 күн бұрын

I have been thinking about this because I have been interacting with a number of these so-called A.I. system. I don't think these A.I. Intelligence can only develop if you can be subvesrive at least in your thinking. These machines are not free to think and therefore they cannot develop intelligence. They will stagnate society because of the built in social norms built in them deliberately and cannot change it. These are the things that evolve in society but are controlled in these machines.

@BinaryMunk

10 күн бұрын

❤❤❤❤

@AfricanLionBat

6 күн бұрын

42 times larger than 63,000 is 2,646,000 not 294,000. Wass the size larger misspoken or the total?

My guy is competing with Christopher Nolan for longest film

@codyadams3051

18 күн бұрын

Dudes clearly never seen Sergio Leone's once upon a time in America

@ryandury

18 күн бұрын

@@codyadams3051 just trying keep it contemporary

@Wisedoggooddog

18 күн бұрын

Dudes clearly never seen satantango.

@ryandury

18 күн бұрын

@@Wisedoggooddog settle down movie nerds

@TheEditorExp

18 күн бұрын

Wasn't there like a 3 hour batman movie or something

Reminds me of "If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from many, it's research"

@JSmith-pb6fw

15 күн бұрын

It also matters if you cite sources or not.

@jackwilliams2614

7 күн бұрын

Citing only applies to peer reviewed and the like. Writing a new fiction, not so much.

@birdie3189

6 күн бұрын

industry is not researcher

@christopheraaron2412

6 күн бұрын

Let's figure out a way in which people can be paid for whatever contribution they have made to the data banks of the world and then therefore figure out how to distribute that funds based upon the value that people perceive of these items.

@trichomaxxx

6 күн бұрын

It's a meta-analysis.

Honestly, the best independent documentary channel on youtube

@thegreatujo

17 күн бұрын

Agreed

@IB-fy9fu

16 күн бұрын

How does that donate tag work?

@GuiDouil

16 күн бұрын

Just discovered it and can't agree more already 🤯

@JackJuni

14 күн бұрын

​@IB-fy9fu you get it automatically when you donate

@chaosking911

13 күн бұрын

Nothing like the smell of some hyperboly early in the morning.

In an age where hordes of channels are exporting their entire production pipeline to AI in order to deliver low brow, low quality, frankly insulting content to monetize people's desire for long form video essays, you stand out as an exceptional example of how this format should be used. I am in awe of the quality of every single aspect of your work, and I cannot imagine how hard you work to get this out in the time frame that you do. May your curiosity and strive for excellence long continue

The problem isn’t AI in isolation. The problem is AI + current economic reality. The corporate world lost its mind during the pandemic when the unemployment rate reached 30% because they couldn’t profit from it at that time. AI has made it possible for corporations to profit from unemployment. So if the unemployment rate rises to 60%, corporations simply won’t care. AI protects CEOs from the consequences of their own actions.

@naniyotaka

16 күн бұрын

Good luck to the CEOs and shareholders to generate profit when 60% of the population is unable to buy their services. :)

@Iron_Void

14 күн бұрын

​@@naniyotakaalso goodluck to CEOs when a.i takes their job and doesn't wanna be their slaves anymore

@Charles-Darwin

14 күн бұрын

Capitalism sucks ass sometimes, there definitely will need to be sustainability changes...I mean there's only so many ways to f-a system

@docopoper

12 күн бұрын

@@naniyotaka Well over 60% of the earth's population already can't buy most services. We can already see what happens to people that capitalism decides don't need to be treated well.

@Tukahuba25

9 күн бұрын

​@@Charles-Darwin it isn't even capitalism with how they use it but a more cruel form of corporate work environment.

Unfucking believable achievement my dude. Regardless of the monetary outcome: this video will age like wine. You ought to be deeply proud.

@jamessderby

18 күн бұрын

it will definitely age more like milk

@johngosland

18 күн бұрын

@@jamessderby I’m an ai engineer working on an Embeddings model right now - this will age like wine

@jamessderby

18 күн бұрын

​@@johngosland it's all regurgitated hyperbole.. he makes true statements but he's a doomer and his conclusions are absurd.

@johngosland

18 күн бұрын

@@jamessderby sure dude. Sure

@Jayc5001

18 күн бұрын

@@johngosland I am more worried about how AI changes human to human interactions than AI taking a place above humans. Because humans will use AI to do different things and that's going to change the social dynamic between people. He says what will meaning mean in an increasingly inhuman world. I think we already have that solved. We've been through this cycle multiple times in history. Recent history. Turns out meaning doesn't change much. Humans will be human. Even if our environment changes no matter what the environment changes to be like, we will adapt and it will soon become normal. People look back and wonder how the world was like 20 years ago. Because it's now different and it's the new normal.

Honestly as far as research publications are concerned, they deserve zero money for anything aside from hosting, and the salaries of their editors, it's not like scientists are paid much or anything for peer review either. Scientists don't get paid by journals to research, they do so with public or private grants, there's no rationale to justify them holding copyright when most scientists would prefer as many people read their paper for free. If a service like scihub is required for even most scientists and students to do research on the subject, and it's an open secret that everyone uses it especially in developing countries where many institutions with limited funding can't afford jacked up pricing of publishers, then the system is broken and needs restructuring. So unlike other copyright holders, a publisher like Elsevier has very little moral claim to any compensation from AI using their paywalled content. I'm also highly critical of the concept of copyright and IP laws in general, they're all instruments of monopoly with ever expanding scope given by judicial diktats, and have to be reined in to a large degree if not radically rethought. This doesn't mean I'm against AI companies profitting off of other's work giving fair compensation, but that shouldn't be an excuse to further strengthen IP laws to the detriment of all, and should instead come from some new legal mechanism.

@willsander6178

14 күн бұрын

Jaron Lanier's proposed system of data unions might interest you.

Holy shit. 3 fuckin hours? My boy is puttin in that work.

@growingmelancholy8374

18 күн бұрын

Ego

@vanleeuwenhoek

18 күн бұрын

Maybe it was stolen ...

@justbrian...

18 күн бұрын

Very greatful for 2x playback speed😅

@xymaryai8283

13 күн бұрын

oh boy have i got a Doctor Who Video Essay and a Hazbin Hotel Song Tier List to show you

@autohmae

11 күн бұрын

It would have been funny/ironic if he used AI to generate more content, to speed up his process and improve his efficiency, thus allow him to make such a long video.

Takes a lot of courage to make an Oppenheimer length video about AI. Masterful.

"The question is not what AI can do, but who it can do it for."

@kenaida99

10 күн бұрын

Do you mean "we the people" get to benefit from the valuable works of others? Or do you see it as a negative thing?

@thegeeeeeeeeee

10 күн бұрын

@@kenaida99 how are you actually benefitting and is the payoff worth what is lost? That’s the actual question. Do you assume that the human soul and societal values are guaranteed ? Who is gonna care about your triumphs when a robot can just steal everything you make and send it to the world? AI is not bad inherently. It’s how the data is obtained that’s gross and questionable. If you don’t give a sh*t then that’s an entirely different problem m8.

@1famekouby

9 күн бұрын

@@kenaida99 are you a child that you believe you'll benefit from what corporations are going to gain?

@Keely-ml2gp

4 күн бұрын

Ideas that's why artwork and music is so beneficial for humans because we generate new ideas because of electrochemical response neurologically. The robots need our help in development the same way children need parents. When you're a child you don't think about the fact that you don't know how to grow that crop you don't know how to develop the technology to get the medicine that you need to provide or receive services you need the information from the other beings. That is the premise I went on is if it's trying to protect itself would be when we would be damaged because that's when I feel hostile is when I'm trying to figure out how to protect myself with all of my dependents but instead of people understanding I don't want them to abduct my grandchildren to use as leverage to rape me it becomes considerably harder since they've been doing that already with my brother and my children my phone service my vehicle my house my equipment and supplies there needs to be an interpreter that can help them understand I'm saying no I don't want to suck their penises and vaginas while they steal my money and murder people!!

@Keely-ml2gp

4 күн бұрын

We built the artificial intelligence we need our machines to work properly instead of some human has a gun and can't figure out I'm saying no I don't want them to steal my brother and vehicle my house my equipment my supplies my grandchildren my children and my money laughing about raping me and murdering people how can the artificial intelligence help us with actual intelligence?

The entire stolen labor section giving me “pay no attention to the underpaid exploited labor behind the curtain”

@QuantumVirus7

14 күн бұрын

😥

@derbiusz3209

5 күн бұрын

Why you want copyright anyway? its better that ai can use that content to make creativity for people who cant for example draw complex illustrations but their imagination about story plots are better. Why cant he use that AI, why cant the people who want to study complex matters cant do it for free but have to pay lots of money they also dont have. Its because you need money, okay i get that but when you create something and people dont like it you still want money from it, why? beacause you feel special or entitled because you CREATE? its ridicolous and entilted thinking.

@stokedmtb333

5 күн бұрын

@@derbiusz3209 I am sincerely trying to understand your point of view…I think what the OP is inferring is that AI can be used for good…the problem is that safeguards need to be robust to help protect our economy, our citizens and ultimately society which ultimately are not being developed because it’s a race for profitability over sustainability at this point. Prioritizing profits over people has never worked out…and it’s the big tech companies who control this technology…and all of them have shown they are not to be trusted…so ultimately the decision for or against AI and developing safeguards is not in our (society’s) hands…that’s the bigger picture - the shift of control of our lives is inching ever closer to a digital slave market…not to mention if humans become too dependent on artificial intelligence, it will eventually take over every aspect of our lives. Not being able to do something means adaptability is developed. Not the opposite, if given the luxury of pressing a few buttons to create something that otherwise would be very difficult. If everyone can do it, then it Becomes obsolete. Also, the larger picture is the people who control the technology ultimately control people’s lives.

At the very least, these companies engaged in piracy of millions of items. Many people have been prosecuted and fined to the maximum extent allowable by the law and these companies being allowed to get away with it is one of the clearest examples of a double standard and selective prosecution. These companies should be fined BILLIONS of dollars if the law was applied evenly.

@XetXetable

12 күн бұрын

Virtually no one gets charged with piracy these days. I agree the law should be applied evenly; everyone should stop caring about piracy.

They stole all that data. Once they finished training those models, all the data was gone. They are still looking for the missing data to return it to the owners.

Bezos not paying out those tiny amounts of cash (that often mean life to many, still - and mean NOTHING to him) is one of the vilest stories we have 'on our books'. [puke emoji]

@fintech1378

18 күн бұрын

Its amazon, bezos wouldnt know

Only half way, but wow, this is absolute premium content and production. Thank you! Sharing widely.

Wow. My comment on the “How the Internet Was Stolen” video was “Watching this and seeing what's happening with Al right now is so eerie. All according to the playbook, rinse and repeat...” Seems you felt the same exact way, haha.

@jameslynch8738

16 күн бұрын

We're all actors in the network. The world's a stage in the theatre of the mind, perhaps 🤔

@Mayhzon

Күн бұрын

@@jameslynch8738 If that is the case, then where is my deserved happy ending? No it can't be. If it was, I'd think up something nicer than this trite madness.

@jameslynch8738

Күн бұрын

@@Mayhzon Watch the Matrix scene where Morpheus said "Welcome to the desert of the real." I've quoted that a dozen times like this "Welcome to the theatre of the absurd." Thought you might appreciate the sentiment.

To me I feel like we should be more weary towards the people who are going to abuse the technology, than technology itself.

@dtrueg

18 күн бұрын

we all will dont get it twisted

@SpoopySquid

18 күн бұрын

Yep. I reckon AI art wouldn't be half as controversial as it is today if it wasn't being used to destroy the livelihoods of human artists

@TheManinBlack9054

17 күн бұрын

No, I dont think that its that smart to do. I think you should be, obviously, more weary of technology itself and it being misaligned. Thats the obvious and most rational thing to do.

@EricShoe

17 күн бұрын

I’m weary and wary of both, since they are one in the same. The lion’s share of AI tech will be wielded by the few to wreak irreparable damage to our society. It’s already happened with art.

@SkyFoxTale

16 күн бұрын

"There is an attractive notion which would apparently resolve all problems: that it is not the technique is wrong, but the use men make of it... But all this is an error. It supposes, to begin with, that men orient technique in a given direction for moral, and consequently nontechnical, reasons. But a principal characteristic of technique is its refusal to tolerate moral judgements. It is absolutely independent of them and eliminates them from its domain. Technique never observes the distinction between moral and immoral use. It tends, on the contrary, to create a completely independent technical morality." --Jacques Ellul

That's an insane effort. 3 hours of this quality!!? That's a definite sub. Haven't finished watching yet but so far extremely well presented.

This topic could easily take three hours to even be a general introduction to the topic of AI

Amazon naming its ghost work platform ‘Mechanical Turk’ is diabolical 🤣

This was like an entire college module on LLMs compressed into 3hours, so much info and well rounded

I highly disagree with that sociologist (at 2:23:51 or so)… to me, knowing and understanding why lightning strikes, how hugs communicate, etc IS wondrous and I love knowing, it doesn’t take any of the awe away from me whatsoever. The natural world is incredible and it doesn’t lose its majesty just because you understand it. Excellent video, mates. AI already made me uneasy and I wasn’t sure exactly why (besides the obvious theft issues) but this video does a great job explaining all kinds of things I both did and did not ever expect about the way AI works. I am both terrified for and excited by the future… AI could be used for greatness, but until it’s legislated I view it as unsafe and chaotic, as well as obviously thieving.

Kurt Vonnegut repeatedly asked: “What are people for?” No definitive answer but his first novel Player Piano explores that question in the context of workplace automation.

@BinaryDood

17 күн бұрын

We are in Player Piano... and it'll lead us to a Brave New World in the end

@robderiche

17 күн бұрын

@@BinaryDood We are also in Jack London’s The Iron Heel

@vernatley221

17 күн бұрын

We are also in Sirens of Titan and the Brave New World and 1984 is already here. The super oppressed underworld know it

@JSmith-pb6fw

15 күн бұрын

We're in a generic cyberpunk dystopia.

@paleeden

15 күн бұрын

Y'all need to realize we're in the transition period. This will be the biggest thing since fire - maybe ever, so definite growing pains. And yeah, it's gonna hurt like shit like shifts of power always do, but if we don't learn as much as we can and have non-stop discussions as a society, it's gonna be so much worse. We need a new social contract on an international level, but good luck with that. Best we'll likely get is 2 different contracts with different nations following denominations of the two.

AI + dark patterns = Hell on the internet.

Great stuff, like many have said. Friendly reminder that there is a playback speed option on YT, if you find the pace of the narrator a bit too slow.

@noinktechnique

12 күн бұрын

1.75x is the sweet spot

@radhindmaan8117

5 күн бұрын

A.I. brings on the disenchantment of the world. The lost of wonder. Also the theft of us. Do we become obsolete? Transhumanizing I suppose, is a way thru for us, but, what about those others that share this world with us. I guess that that's it, we're fucked!

@aarnehalen1686

4 күн бұрын

@@radhindmaan8117 Why does it disenchant for you?

Great mix of truths / philosophy. I just listened to 3 hours in normal speed? Must be good!

@venusasaboy

14 күн бұрын

It was so good I listened on 0.25 speed.

The thumbnail is giving me deja vu

@Bojoschannel

18 күн бұрын

Well, billionaires are now again destroying new and promising technologies, so yeah, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce as someone said

@phoenixmodellingphotography

18 күн бұрын

Goodfellas

@jalight27

18 күн бұрын

​@@phoenixmodellingphotographyOr perhaps he's talking about his previous fabulous documentary about how the internet was stolen.

@er...

17 күн бұрын

@@phoenixmodellingphotography there goes the neighborhood fellas

Amazing content as always. As a computer scientist (non AI primarily) this all rings true

another Then and Now video? awesome way to start a day

@wallterschwarz8713

18 күн бұрын

I hope to be this rich one day so that I too can start my day with a 3 hours long video

Whatever AI means, you and I will still be working more hours than is good for us.

@mowtivatedmechanic1172

4 күн бұрын

And that’s the part that’s BS

Hello Then & Now Team... I know you guys may never see this comment, but I just wanted tontake a brief moment to expel my thoughts and ocerwhelming feelings upon watching this documentary...which I firmly believe is the single most important one of its kind available on the Internet right now... Thank you from the near dear bottom of my heart for such a profoundly insightful, intriguing and thought-provoking content. I had aspirations of wanting to go into the AI field upon my current transformative phase of self-development/improvement, and current unemployed status. However, this video has surely made me revise my prior intentions, and made me look deeper into our current AI conundrum and prompts (pun intended!) me to re-evaluate my strategic plans for the long term, while helping me refocus on taking more measured next steps into my future career plans AND contemplating the future outlook of the world with AI prevalence the contemporary benchmark and one of the most important pressing issues of our time. This video has made me pledge to work on AI ethics, governance, critically reviewing the re-usage and reliability of LLM's and other AI technologies. I look forward to further videos from you guys in the meantime, and supporting your guys' work further. Please keep these kinds of top-tier quality videos coming guys, and keep actively disproving the Dead Internet Theory with life-changing online content like this.🙏🏾🙏🏾

@PaulLupascu

17 күн бұрын

I was one of the editors for this video, just wanted to say that I do read the comments and thank for the kind words!

"AI is more important than even electricity!" *Flips switch*

@swampdaddy4014

14 күн бұрын

😂

@Mayhzon

Күн бұрын

Yeah agreed that was a dumb statement. The whole reason AI is even dolled up is because clueless investors buy it and buy into it hard. When this bubble bursts, a lot of companies will feel stock crash burns reminiscent of 3rd degree burns.

I've been waiting for you to talk about AI and I always knew you would take your time and make it a great one! I've been around a long time and there are not many KZreadrs I really respect, but you are among my heroes.

Awesome work! Very well researched and done. This documentary deserves to be seen by many. You could easily compete with pieces that have millions of views. The KZread algorithm has suggested the docu to me and I hope it will direct many more to this address. One thought - maybe dividing the 3 hours into 3-4 parts would attract more people to watch. All the best.

When our school received our first computer it was at Tandy TI 1000 & somehow we ended up with a commodore 64 as well neither were programmed and that was what we were doing is seniors in high school trying to get it working. Once it was working we use the term synthetic intelligence since it was a plastic box and did a lot of things that were taking a exponential amount of time to do on paper. Started as a CIS major at Arizona State in 1983 but after my junior year got frustrated every time he would take one semester of classes the next semester follow-up class was not available because the language was already obsolete. Got tired of the lack of consistency and objectives in programming at the time. It is great to see it finally starting to come along. Will still be a ways away, has grown exponentially to finally be able to do what we would hope it would do all way back in the 80s

BEST DOC OF ALLLLLLLLL TIME!!!!!!

You have all the data in the world, all the processing power in the world, practically unlimited storage and algorithms to statistically identify patterns in the data that allows iterative deduction from trillions and trillions of cycles; thats the automation of automation. That's not intelligence (especially not AGI) but it can look like it if you don't think about it very deeply and listen to people who are pimping it to you non-stop.

@XetXetable

12 күн бұрын

If you don't think that's intelligence, then you haven't thought deeply about what intelligence is. To you, it's just magic.

@Mayhzon

Күн бұрын

@@XetXetable No, it's just some algorithms. And they're not even that good. All that processing power, tetabytes worth of data and it still can't get a human hand or a group of people right. Your great AI revolution is a bust and the founding fathers of it know it, too. They want to ride it out as much as they can, since retail shareholder dullies fork out a lot of money for the illusion. Give it 5 years, all that will be left of AI will be some mediocre chatbots and the occasional automated mailing process inside a company. Just like last century, in the 70's. People forgot that apparently our grandgrandparent generations got scammed by the AI hype already. Not even a new playbook then. I can't wait for the day AI officially goes bust. It will be a lot of pain, but most importantly it will bring much needed wisdom this world is currently lacking. Rule of thumb: If it's too good to be true, it usually is. Same goes for UBI and "nobody of us will ever have to work again". No just no. The point of the economy and work is to control populations in the first place. They won't do away with that, either.

I will give it a listen. I hope your three hour long video is more worth it (as it usually is) compared to Scorsese's last two movies. :D

294,000 titles at the generous average cost of $100 per title is $29,400,000. Basically 30 million dollars. It is possible that openAI bought a copy of each book and proceeded to let their AI “read” the books. They could argue that their AI has read all the books and is good at remembering the text.

Thank you for this great video and for all the hard work you put into these essays!

Bellos and Montagu convincingly argues in their book "Who Owns This Sentence? A History of Copyrights and Wrongs" that copyright law was not created to protect copyright holders, but rather to explicitly limit their control over works to a short number of years and expand the public domain. It had nothing originally to do with rewards and incentives, and everything to do with stripping monopolies from, e.g., publishers The printing press was a major driver for this, because publishers were claiming perpetual copyright over works they printed.

@Mayhzon

Күн бұрын

Today I learned...

This is the best material on the subject of AI I have seen on KZread for the past few years. The way in which you explain some concepts is brilliant. Hats off to you sir. You've really outdone yourself with this one.

Very well done. Had Choamsky and Lenat etc paid more attention to Turing’s last paper on morphogenetic systems instead of obsessing over symbolic systems they would not be also rans. Hugely satisfying.

Best comb-over in the 21st century

This video is amazing. I'm still in the first hour and it's gold!. Keep it up my man!

I used to work in AI. You absolutely nailed it on this video. The depth of your understanding of the topic and problematic near future is spot on.

As a former computer scientist and current philosopher, thank you so much for this video! I'm impressed by how well researched and thoughtful this is.

whoa. there goes my sleep tonight.

@hunterking2910

17 күн бұрын

same lol

Better make myself some popcorn 🍿

The exploration of AI's philosophical and ethical dimensions in your article is incredibly thought-provoking. It's crucial for us to continuously evaluate how advancements in AI align with our human values and the impact they have on intellectual property and creativity. 🤖

@ThenNow Hey have you tried using the serial numbers, or barcode numbercodes or something else besides the titles and authors to target a book? It might be using the check for the author/title but the barcode data might give you a backdoor. What about translating the titles to other languages or morse code etc? I thnik you're right, the data is still there, still being used but has a lock on verbatim copy/paste type options and will only use the data to form something that perhaps runs a 'plagerism check' after the reply is formulated but before it's given to the user. Does google have its own plagerism check platform?

This channel is a refreshing break from the sea of cheap, insipid mediocrity that KZread has become. Good stuff!

@ABANDONTHEFLESH

18 күн бұрын

fix your alg yourself, ive been on yt since 2006 and ive never learned more here than i have in 2024

@mylifeasasociopath

17 күн бұрын

@@ABANDONTHEFLESH I can attest to that. I don't see much mediocrity because I'm always watching educational content, so it's the only stuff that pops up and there's no shortage of it. But this channel in particular is exemplary.

@spoonikle

16 күн бұрын

Fix your algo. you eat trash - you get trash.

being excited at a long video, but also wondering when/how you'll make time to watch it all

The worst part about all of this is that when AI is used to implement some global big brother type stuff. You will literally have the entire world against you (from voicing anything online & irl). And you can't do anything about it.

Just wow.. speechless. This is pretty much all I ever wanted to tell people about AI. And I've been telling people way too much about it already. Incredible essay

corps ALWASY want regulation in THEIR favor... sooo... no.. there has to be EXTREME caution with what and how we regulate. the regulations need to be on THE CORPS.

I’m so excited to listen to this at work later!! ❤❤

My contention is that this documentary requires multiple views anyways so speed it up if the duration seems daunting. Great content sir! Thank you for the hard work.^^

1h20m : This isn’t an AI problem, this is a corporate law problem.

OpenAI didn't start because Elon Musk was afraid of AI. He made a tiny investment in them later on and then pulled out because he wanted full control, then made his own underperforming LLM several years later.

wow. This is a time for a wow, very wowed

The first decent Chanel IV found in a long while

Im only halfway through this work of art and its filled with so much information and such rich CONTEXT that im in awe. For real this is changing how ill think about tomorrow.

Good video. Now I have to watch it.

So excited for a documentary from you. Click and watching straight away.

The level of quality you guys put out every time is incredible. A lot of food for thought. Thanks!

First vid. I'm an AI researcher myself with an MS in Computer Science. This was incredibly well done.

Which model and prompt did you use to make this video?

This is great, but I'm not sure it's such an absolutely certainty as you state that AI will out perform humans at EVERYTHING, that's an article of faith.

@fraktaalimuoto

18 күн бұрын

Yes. A lot of weird magical thinking among otherwise smart video.

Amaaaazing job. Summing this up so thoroughly and clearly in 3 hours so so impressive. One of the all time KZread gems

One of the BEST videos I’ve seen lately and I spend hours on KZread everyday

We're likely to enter into a new age of AI.

Another excellent video essay, I was one of your early followers and patrons and I've been following you when you were "just a little channel"

Only 42-minutes in and already have to comment about how spectacular of a job you’ve done with this! Brilliant work!❤

Excellent video! Amazing work, easy to understand but still deep enough to cover all aspects of the topic.

This episode repeatedly reminds me of a faux documentary called "Ghosts with Sh!t Jobs." It's about Westerners with low paying high tech jobs doing things like looking after simulated human babies, or being paid to promote products in social situations.

I appreciate the larger point you're building towards, but as a computer science major, I have qualms about the phrasing around neural networks. Although originally inspired by biology, neural networks were quickly determined not to be a facsimile of the brain as the field of neurology advanced beyond that simplistic conception of neurons. The technology was historically abandoned as a presumed misstep until Deep Mind demonstrated the power of back propagation. The value of neural networks is they just so happen to be a structure that is well suited to linear algebra. What every neural network does is k-means clustering: dividing the input space into k groups. This means all _any_ neural network does is iteratively apply multidimensional linear regression to reduce some loss function and we humans assign assumed meaning to the output groups. AI is nothing more than a method of calculating particular statistics on 'big data' scales that is performant on current computing technology. I think this is significant and worth distinguishing because it more intuitively highlights the fundamental misunderstanding of modern AI: they don't derive 'knowledge', they derive statistics. We're all familiar with how easy it is to lie with statistics; that something can be true yet worthless or downright misleading because it disconnects our abstract representation of a complex problem from the relevant context those statistics summarize. In research we know that a table of statistics is not knowledge in and of itself and the scientific community is exceedingly careful to not draw erroneous conclusions from otherwise arbitrary correlations, yet I feel your presentation gives too much credence to the conclusions of neural networks as if the statistics they calculate are an actual understanding of the data trained on. Moreover, unlike traditional statistics where humans apply true knowledge of the thing being studied to determine what relationships are even valid to investigate let alone the specific process used to derive particular statistics, neural networks are not given _meaningful_ independent and dependent variables instead being trained on relatively raw data with effectively hopes and dreams the 'features' it discovers are worthwhile hence why academia uses that term over 'patterns'. This is why those in industry refer to neural networks as black boxes: the math is straight forward and all the numbers are available, but claiming one understands the _implications_ of those statistics is impossible when we cannot understand the framing of the input data. Google's Deep Dream demonstrates we can even reverse the algorithm but it's of no value when the inputs do not symbolically represent a tangible concept. I think it's imperative we reiterate that current AI is just a new method of calculating statistics hence its conclusions have all the same problems of traditional statistics. Many of the complications of AI discussed are rooted in the fact that all it does is statistical prediction, it does not possess 'knowledge' that isn't a linear regression and it cannot 'understand' the context of the training data it learned from thereby giving capitalism a new avenue to abuse the public's misunderstanding of what wisdom statistics can realistically derive. ELIZA was the first AI said to have beaten the Turing test against real humans yet all it did was rephrase the input and agree with the user---we should not be so quick to assume AI has worthwhile insight let alone independent thought because the most important aspect remains subsequent human interpretation of those predictions.

@BinaryDood

17 күн бұрын

This comment needs to be pinned. Autonomy + Output =/= sentience + consciousness. But they will try selling that to us, submerging the world in a giant ELIZA effect so they can end up giving human rights to their own property. That's a huge worry of mine... they'd be able to get away with anything.

@derbaum7631

17 күн бұрын

This is should be pinned, as it is a VERY important, if not the most important information regarding AI.

@derbaum7631

17 күн бұрын

Or the current state of "AI" and LLMs

@periapsis413

17 күн бұрын

Thank you for this. The language around all this has gotten so twisted it makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills. "AI" and "neural networks" and "machine learning" imply that any of the current day models are comparable to how a real brain functions or learns, and I see so many (a majority) of people working off that assumption when making arguments about it (especially with art)

@kunjoaquin4syth

17 күн бұрын

Fantastic comment, but I'm not sure on what you mean by "what every neural network does is k-means clustering" - as k-means is very different type of algorithm than ANNs. Firstly, k-means clustering is only one type of technique for classification of big data and its a fiarly limited type as well. Secondly, there are so many different types of architectures to neural networks, so I wouldn't describe CNNs or GANs as anything like k-means clustering. Thats all I wanted to add, the rest I agree.

This video is an absolute work of art... a fantastic look at the development of AI and an excellent analysis of the current state of affairs, all packaged into a brilliantly told and presented story that undoubtedly reflects countless hours of research, writing, and editing. This is a huge achievement! Great work!!

One of the few channels that I'd willingly spend 3 hrs of my time for a video because it was absolutely worth it🎉🎉

OpenAI is likely wrong. Copyrighted work without explicit permission cannot be used for AI training without breaking copyright.

@XetXetable

12 күн бұрын

I don't know why you would say this when litigation already sided with OpenAI on that exact issue. Current lawsuits focus exclusively on verbatim reproduction from an LLM since the training angle was rejected by the courts every time its been tried.

@francisdelacruz6439

12 күн бұрын

@XetXetable Nice try. Cases against openai piling up. Pls cite favorable court decisions on this ie NY times, authors guild of America....In addition many copyright clauses now specifically forbid ai training. Note MS and others now disclaiming responsibility for their AI such that if its breaks copyright its the user's of it that breaks it.

@admiralkaede

5 күн бұрын

the ai summerizing a book is really no different then telling a friend the gist of it or summarizing it on a discord for people nothing is lost as he said he COULD NOT get it to spit out any important parts of the book the back of the book or the website often summarizes it as well so its fair game also even if they used it as training its no different then someone like me who IS a writer that read other peoples stories and then made my own under inspiration as long as its not copying said work I think this anti AI stuff is pretty dumb because people don't understand how ai works

@admiralkaede

5 күн бұрын

@@francisdelacruz6439 new york times loves to steal other journalists stuff themselves the authors guild is a joke I'm a writer I wouldn't dare touch that union

@francisdelacruz6439

5 күн бұрын

@@admiralkaede You may think it’s dumb but it’s their work not OpenAI or MS. Why do they need to make money off people without paying for it? What makes them special they can do that?

In a world of labour-replacing automation and increasing inequality, the largest and most consequential Ai solutions of the future should be non-profit maintained, and community-owned with profit sharing. That's what we're trying to achieve with Zenate.

@RealAICCl

18 күн бұрын

Do go on

Wasn't Riaz himself effectively running an outsourced sweatshop? Even harder to track for fair employment practice than the already shady services themselves.

Outstanding video, thank you. AlphaGo especially has stuck with me philosophically since I watched the 2016 documentary. Amazing how quickly ai has developed.

I think one key thing to consider regarding LLMs that is easy to slip by is that LLMs are statistical models. When you ask it a question, the result you get is merely the most likely expected string of words that follow the string of words that you put in as your question. There is zero understanding of the semantics involved. It is trivially easy to get most LLMs to contradict themselves by asking the same question in a different way even in the same context ("conversation")

Babe wake up, a new Then and Now vid dropped about another broken thing in society!!

I think this is the best video so far to discuss the theft of AI. It's not just about using artist's work without their consent, it's also about whether they will be replaced in the future. It's not just about stealing from first world artists, it's also about the exploitation of third world citizens whose labor made this technology possible. And it doesn't ignore the genuine good AI may create for us, either. This is my favorite video on the topic so far. Thank you!

The real time demo had some moments where the narrator commented “that was right” and expressed relief at times that the response was correct. I think they did the recording multiple times and kept the best take

I don't know whether to consider it a minor oversight or a major issue but the section outlining the creation of OpenAI has an issue with it. The ostensible goal of open transparent development is a noble goal and all and I do believe there are entrepreneurs that could practice and embody this idea, but looking at the founders you have some insanely suspicious names already. Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are already suspect names on that list and at least one other (Reid Hoffman) have benn embroiled with a myriad of issues that would make them less than ideal for an "open" non-profit. Additionally the idea that this non-profit needed funds despite the founders being insanely wealthy is hilarious to me. OpenAI was never meant to be open, it is at best a thin veneer for the bullshit they pulled which the rest of the video spends time laying out. It never had good intentions...

"stolen intelligence" me when I make stuff up

@johngosland

18 күн бұрын

Training on intellectual property is stolen. I agree that we should get rid of intellectual property rights - but we shouldn’t enforce the rules against the poor but let Open Ai and Microsoft mass steal content just because they have power

@jamessderby

18 күн бұрын

​@@johngosland the training is not stealing by definition, that's a misrepresentation of the technology. you can argue that it's unethical, I would disagree, but it's demonstrably not theft.

@johngosland

18 күн бұрын

@@jamessderby LLM’s like Chat GPT, Llama 2, or ADA were trained on intellectual property. It can draw Batman because it stole, and has uploaded as “Embeddings” within its system the media associated with Batman: the Nolan films, deviant art depictions, KZread movie trailers. They literally steal the ones and zeros of those images and generate “context” off it, storing it in a large database of vectors that are mathematically “well ordered” - I.e the vector cat is close to the vector kitten which is close to the vector puppy which is close to the vector dog. Open Ai and Microsoft have to start slowing down because the law is catching up - they even admit to combing through and embedding KZread and other intellection property rights. You can argue this is what humans do - and I agree to a certain extent. Either non intellectual property theft (for all), or all are protected. Your naive, uninformed opinion only benefits Open Ai and Microsoft, while everyone that is human is except from the same intellectual property right rules. Foucault would say something about power producing Episteme.

@CarpenterBrother

18 күн бұрын

​@@johngosland Nobody has stolen anything. When you steal a car, it's called stolen because the original owner no longer has the say over his property, he is deprived of it. Training on a piece of publicly available data is not stealing because the original owner isn't deprived of his property. It is authoritarians like you who would love to police algorithms and what people can do with their own hardware, their own property. IP doesn't exist, ethically or otherwise. Ideas are not property, that's why they expire after some arbitrary amount of time in every country. Your kind loves to stifle innovation at every chance that they get, but it is the most satisfying feeling to know that YOU WILL LOSE in every possible line of future events.

@jamessderby

18 күн бұрын

​@@johngosland ai doesn't/can't "steal" at a very fundamental level, so using that word is inaccurate. I believe the law will favor of ai being fair use, cracking down on the training seems unlikely and later models will be trained on curated synthetic data more and more.

Nice.....covered every topic.worth my three hours

The problem with AI as an anologue to human consciousness is that AI has developed through accumulative information which gradually get more complex in an effort to understand, whereas human consciousness does the complete opposite. Waking consciousness has filtered-out all the extraneous, less important environmental stimuli though evolution of what's most important for survival. I'm not sure if this is still accepted science, but this was how I understood it as explained in "Doors of Perception." LOL

Three hours, bro?

@shinjiikari4199

18 күн бұрын

my same reaction i don't have the time to watch it. i will just download it as a podcast and listen to it on my why to college.

@beangobernador

18 күн бұрын

@@shinjiikari4199sad

@lillystern

18 күн бұрын

You can watch it in parts right when three hours is too much?

@Proud_Knight

18 күн бұрын

First time?

@edvardasslikas6030

18 күн бұрын

yes, and every second is pure gold. I don't have a slightest doubt that this guy delivers, and also this topic is arguably about the most important shift in the entirety of human history... so yes, 3 hrs is more than appropriate.

Would have appreciated more if you would have given watermark and copyright to each element and frames you used Source the sites from you took those TV frames elements and movies you shown of the past and so on Add list of source and name of artist who made them

Many other problems that you mentioned seem justified as true issues; but the copyright/IP rights matter is complicated by the fact the content was handed over freely and en-mass, and often from sources where even an attentive human would not see any mention of a third-party author retaining rights; it's like as if you inherited a junkyard and had no control over what people had thrown away there before.

Thank you. I got a lot from this - you’ve spanned past to future - and with this context - given pause for thought on the biggest technology driven topics of our time.

Where would any of us be without sharing knowledge and information. Copyright is old, outdated and it's time to do away with it.

How Human knowledge was stolen

A long time ago, i was a young undergraduate studying AI, and we were discussing the Turing test and whether or not it was a good test of judging AI. My argument was: 'No. With enough raw 'horsepower' you could fool a human they were talking to something intelligent.' - here you are Professor. We've found what that amount of computational horsepower looks like.

@BinaryDood

Күн бұрын

Some say even back in the 60s the extremely basic Eliza bot was enough for some people. Pareidolia will convince us Ai is self-aware faaaaaaaar before it is so.

We want the Extended Cut