I have a 2014 Model S with AP1 and it honestly does the job extremely well and I love showing it off to my friends, the reactions I get are always priceless. Despite the hardware being designed for highway usage, I’ve still managed to find it fairly useful on backroads. The one thing that it does have a hard time reading are roads with very sharp turns or roads that are really poorly marked. Other than that, It’s actually incredibly impressive how the technology in this 2014 car still holds up and exceeds a lot of new vehicles to this day.

RADAR was an absolutely amazing feature. One of the best things about it, was that it could detect an accident was about to happen one or two cars in front of you. Even if there was no possible line of sight, like you say, it could look underneath the car in-front of you. This was one of the things that made early highway autopilot truly safer than a human driver is many cases, and it's a huge shame such amazing accident avoidance is just lost forever without radar or car-to-car communication.

@Californ1a

Жыл бұрын

I definitely miss seeing videos with that radar accident avoidance, was so cool seeing it brake way before anything could be seen.

@tech-utuber2219

Жыл бұрын

I am very curious about the new, high-resolution radar.

I love the "35" in the intro

So essentially, AP1 is the ultimate cruise control. Not for people who want full self driving, but for the people who just don't want to be working their feet 24/7 in traffic or when eating up highway miles. That is something I can really get behind.

Very impressive! I wasn’t aware AP1 performs lane changes only using the bumper sensors to know what’s to the rear and side. Also, that demo with adjacent car drifting to the edge of the lane and seeing the S create more space in its own lane makes me feel even more confident about Tesla’s Autopilot. Can’t wait for FSD Beta to get to this level of polish. Still waiting for 10.69.3 from the Chief Twit! 😂

@roboticvenom1935

Жыл бұрын

chief twit is currently ruining twitter.. god he's bad

You nailed it. On the highway from Dallas to Austin the miles just fly by not having to be involved with every small adjustment. When you hit stop and go traffic (hello Waco!) you can pretty much ignore it.

The invisible selfie stick looks epic as a 3rd person camera on the car :)

You never seem to fail to impress in creating exactly the content I want about autopilot FSD. Even stuff that I would not know to ask for.

This was really cool to see! Thanks for always putting out awesome videos

Detecting stationary objects has always been difficult for radar. Works great for moving vehicles.

@thelastninja4825

Жыл бұрын

huh ? what a BS claim

@madhououinkyoma

Жыл бұрын

@@thelastninja4825 Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about

Noice vid! Thanks for the retrospective!

Good video, have been looking for one and you did it very well! :)

I have been the extremely happy owner of a 2015 P85D for the last 5 1/2 years and I could not agree more with your comments. I once traveled several miles in bumper to bumper stop/start traffic without a single intervention and there was absolutely no sign of frustration when I finally got through it more than 1/2 an hour later. I am a "driver" too. I have spent many hours on the race track and have competed in several road rally events, but I am very much looking forward to getting my Model S PLAID and eventually being able to let the car drive me when there is boring traffic to contend with. I will most definitely leave it off on nice twisty mountain/undulating roads, and the track of course, so I can have some fun. As I am in Australia both the car and FSD are still some way off, but I look forward to being a BETA tester here.

I recently rented a 2016 Model X with AP1 for a trip from Miami to Orlando and AP1 blew me away! Even in pitch dark when I couldn’t see (I’m 25) the car could see just fine. It even automatically moved over every time it passed a large truck. I definitely would’ve stoped to sleep without AutoPilot, but with it on, I felt like a passenger and was able to make it back from Orlando with nearly NO interventions! 🤯

Cool to see you in the DC area

beautiful e46

AP1/HW1 is Mobileye software, from before Tesla developed any of it internally, so it'd be very surprising if it'd ever get an update.

Great video idea!

Extremely impressive. I wish basic AP on newer models had some of these features. I would really like a 2015 Model S with AP1, but they are too expensive compared to a new Model 3/Y RWD,

Nicely done

You should try a Tesla retrofitted with OpenPilot, and compare OpenPilot to Autopilot directly.

Many, many thanks AIDRVR for this awesome video. I wish this came out sooner to show the limitations of AP1 and it would have saved lives. It is primarily intended to work on stop and go traffic and long stretches of a divided highway. Interesting that its performance is better than current level 2 ADAS from other manufacturers perhaps due to Tesla software integration with the hardware. FSD Beta has come a long way when compared to AP1. Perhaps Tesla brings back a much better HD radar for the robotaxi. Occupancy Network can detect distance of 1cm resolution near the car. This would be a good test for Tesla cars without USS. Good job as always. :)

Aww, i can't help loving AP1 😄 In Europe, that's still very capable. My impression is you can teach AP1 to drive a certain spot a certain way, which is definitely not possible with newer APs anymore. AP1 is so much fun driving as you will have a dialogue with the car, wherease eg. AP3 feels very robotic and boring in comparison

@tafl-9198

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean you can teach AP1 😊 ?

I have an ap1 2016 S and it works like a polished champ at what it is supposed to do.

Your friends a g for having an E46 and a Tesla XD

AP in 2014: I can drive! AP in 2022: Look mum, no -hands- sensors!

AP1 was really cool... understanding how my current version works and using it a lot over this weekend I definitely see that things have progressed leaps and bounds. How good AP1 was it was clear how Elon thought they were close. the last 20% is so hard

@Xanthopteryx

Жыл бұрын

It was Mobileye then... not Tesla. So if they were continuing with mobileye, they would be very close.

@madhououinkyoma

Жыл бұрын

@@Xanthopteryx lol

This good perspective on Tesla's progress, how far they have come with this technology. Makes me hopefull

These are the interesting videos

This still beats my 2017 Honda Accord's adaptive cruise control/auto steering within a lane. My car doesn't like it when the lane markings disappear at all, even for intersections. And my car is 2 years newer than this one. Tesla was really ahead of its time.

This going to be good

Okay, I'm impressed

it's always an interesting question, how deep the engineer would like to dig into the potential capability of current HW. and when is the time to introduce the new HW into the setup? more times I saw terrible software on overkill hardware. perform as a pile of garbage. with this video, tesla did show us their software computing power in their gene which other manufacturers really be better pay attention on. awesome video thank you!

Pretty wild that a slight pitch change in the road could make it overlook very clear road lines :) they seem to have gotten more capable guys with Karpathy but these first several years were really not impressive coding skills. I should have applied to fix it for them long ago

I took a demo drive in August 2016 in a model S. The autopilot at that time was from Mobileye (later purchased by Intel). It was impressive on the simple roads I was allowed to drive on. Autopilot took a big step backward when Tesla dropped Mobileye and started developing autopilot internally. I bought a Model S in May 2017 and autopilot wasn't as impressive as the demo. But, Tesla started investing in real AI neural networks and soon surpassed my original Mobileye experience. Tesla is headed in the right direction, and may be the only organization that is.

I have 2016 p90d model s with AP1 and I had a few issues with the sensors in the rain giving me stop warnings, and an incident where my mirror skimmed a trash can in my early days of ownership where i assumed it would sense it protruding from the shoulder - we were going 15mph in traffic, but it didn't seem to care. I will say that AP1 is great in stop and go traffic for the morning commute 100%.

The nose cone, wish they’d bring it back ❤

You were in my neighborhood. I recognized that roundabout.

Thats exactly our car. Same model, same color :)

Seems pretty on par with what most other auto makers offer as „pilot assist“ or similar.

Nostalgic.

4:15 That's because radar used to be a selling point for self-driving in the beginning. Elon himself said they had made it so the rader would bounce the signals underneath the car in front of you to see what's in front of them (and maybe even ahead of that car though I'm not sure of this). This would allow the car to react to collisions that were about to happen between the 2 cars in front of you and brake pre-emptively for instance. But the story has now changed to one where the radar is seen as adding noise and complexity to the AP/FSD system so they moved away from it to vision only. Consequently the car can no longer see beyond what's directly in front of it.

SO AP1 Does only a few things but very well, new FSD does almost everything but often poorly. Wish they could have the new cars run in AP1 mode or something, it seems like that would work much better than current highway AP

As someone who got a 2014 S with AP2.0 with the sole purpose of battling traffic, I wish I still had that car. My AP2.5 X and Refresh X have both been worse in the past 5 years since I returned the S on lease. have yet to see how they fare with FSD Beta but needless to say I miss the simple autopilot days.

I’ve seen vids of people blasting at lights getting hit be careful

I just drove a 2019 loaner model S, just like mine but with the NON beta autopilot, and the lane keeping was solid as a rock. Freeway-speed turns (and turns in general) were not jerky with tons of micro-adjustments like FSD beta. It would also not keep changing the freeway set speed from the higher speed I set it to down to the speed limit periodically. It would also not randomly change lanes to “follow route” unnecessarily like FSD beta does. It was a much nicer experience…albeit less capable.

@AIDRIVR

Жыл бұрын

10.69.3 improved smoothness and micro adjustments tremendously for me

@dreamburn1

Жыл бұрын

@@AIDRIVR that’s great news! Can it read street signs yet? My car barrels at 55mph (speed limit) towards intersections with big yellow warning signs that say DIP 15mph, and still tries to turn right on red when sign says NO. It also is very poor at reading speed limit signs, especially confusing the “55 for trucks and towing” that come right after the main 70mph speed limit signs (indicating speed limit of 55). It also accelerates super slowly from 90° turns onto high speed highways (takes about 25 seconds to get to 65!) Thanks for your videos.

@AIDRIVR

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately no, the speed ramping is still a problem. I have a stretch of road near my house where the speed limit goes from 50 to 25 and I still need to disengage every time before it goes speeding into my neighborhood. Thank you for the kind words! :]

Good good good.

Yep

6:26 And to think, people were going to sleep while driving with this version of auto pilot O_O

This is gonna be a good vid

@CrumResearch

Жыл бұрын

Openpilot runs on these old cars and provides hands-free driving with driver monitoring on similar road conditions. Largely open source and thus can be completely stable according to desire of the owner/engineer, too.

@boomad11

Жыл бұрын

I know a huge amount of knowledge about autopilot

@CrumResearch

Жыл бұрын

@@boomad11 Excellent! How about Openpilot? I adapted OP to the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk in 2018, it has bee great for hands-free highway driving for 4 years now.

@boomad11

Жыл бұрын

Woah I have never heard of that

Ap1 has been very consistently "good" since 2016! I preferred it over navigate on autopilot on all major highways until V11.

One reason they might remove USS could be to make the networks smaller... not sure

I had an AP1 loaner for a little while and I think my main takeaways were similar to what you said about that crossing car, in some situations it does nothing when it really should be doing something. :) I have this strong belief that AP1 is 'smoother' as it isn't seeing as much around it. As the cars are detecting more around them and looking for more scenarios, the chance of phantom braking increases. From a safety perspective... I certainly think Tesla Vision (No radar) was a HUGE step up. Only recently did we switch over to this system in the UK but my radar Model 3 has never really detected stopped vehicles consistently until that update released, now it detects just about every one and slows for stopped traffic much earlier! I suppose smoothness and safety aren't always the same thing.

@AIDRIVR

Жыл бұрын

Very good points!

Definitely better that my car with vision...

It would be cool if you could upgrade these with camera's

Might be interesting to add openpilot to this and test it against an FSD Tesla.

I have to daily commute 80 miles each way from NJ to Long Island NY. My drive is 90% highway driving with going through a bridge/tunnel. However, the stop and go traffic makes my drive about 2.5 hours each way and makes my brain very tired. Is AP1 good for me?

Hi! I was intrigued by you mention of headlines about radar and cameras spelling a cocktail for disaster. Would you consider doing a video detailing a case or two? I think a lot of us haven’t heard the more scientific breakdown what exactly happened to promote ditching radar.

@josephdoesathing

Жыл бұрын

Reccomend watching the NY times piece of Tesla Autopilot and How radar and camera could not see big white truckss

What's the range like, on a car this age?

I don't have a Tesla, but I've been driving my brother's 2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV a lot recently, and watching this video about AP1 reminded me a *lot* of its adaptive cruise + lane assist + proximity. Feels pretty similar to AP1, with the overall lane drifting/soft turns (but failing at sharper turns), turn signals for lane changes communicating with the automatic speed/lane assist, etc. It's great at what it's intended for: Cruise control on highways, including with traffic. It is *not* self-driving, by any stretch of the imagination.

Since Teslas are no longer using the ultrasonic sensors, maybe now it won't cost $3000 to repair a dented bumper cover.

Did I miss the round about? 😢

Hey so I have a simple question that I’m sure you could answer. If I bought a Tesla with the fsd would I be able to drive I’m my town with no interruptions? I live in a super small town outside of Columbus and it’s very small and easy. There’s no confusing lines or heavy foot traffic so would the car be able to drive flawlessly for every single drive? I guess what I’m asking is since you’re always pushing the limits of your car would my Tesla drive flawlessly on my simple roads?

@carabaoboy

Жыл бұрын

Not the one you asked, but I drive with FSD. Unfortunately, the answer is "It depends". When FSD fails there may be no observable reason. I think it must have something to do with map data. I often drive a 30 mile stretch on a straight road where for no apparent reason the car will (if I let it with no traffic) come to a complete stop in the middle of a particular intersection just a bit past the traffic light (side street T with the car on the "through street"). I have consistently tried reporting it, even pre-FSD when just driving with "City Streets" beta where you confirm the green light, but it's still pretty much the same. It doesn't matter if it is following another car or not. Another intersection which has been a problem, but is improving is a yellow set of blinking lights that alternate with each other, the one higher up than the other. The car slows and proceeds now when traveling from one direction, but still comes to a complete stop from the other direction, I would say obviously "thinking" the light is about to turn red. In the middle of the night, if I let it stop, it will eventually decide to proceed. Two intersections with problems on a thirty mile stretch of city streets is not too bad, but they aren't the kind of mistakes even a human teen driver would make. I found the self driving navigation invaluable when travelling in strange cities this past summer. Ironically, it was the least helpful when trying to locate the superchargers hidden in malls, etc.

Is Autopilot 1 only enabled in the US or somewhere else? Thanks for the video, great idea!

@jpinto3912

Жыл бұрын

it's enabled worldwide

@AndreasWest

Жыл бұрын

@@jpinto3912 Thanks, so this is a big advantage over the current FSD Beta then. Not only from a price point but who knows when the rest of the world will get FSD Beta. It obviously depends largely on the country's legislation to allow such in the first place but even then I guess that right-hand driving countries will get it a lot later still.

Could you also test the mobileye Autopilot? It was the Autopilot before AP1 I think

@AIDRIVR

Жыл бұрын

This is the Mobileye autopilot

How long does it take to fully charge this car from near-zero battery levels? I am assuming that this car cannot take advantage of supercharging.

@jasonbatoog6459

Жыл бұрын

At home, maybe 5-6 hours at 30 amps? Supercharging, just about an hour.

Ignoring the radar is a mistake. Why reduce available sensors and information? There’s always the possibility to state that the camera has the higher priority, as long as the lighting conditions are good. The radar (and niw the ultrasonic sensors) are gone because of costs. And that’s a bummer…

Can someone with an AP1 EU-Spec Tesla confirm what was said in the video?

So basically, it's on par with brand new cars with other companies in 2022.

Damn maybe it wasn’t such a good idea for Tesla to remove all these sensors.. I was expecting this to be complete garbage tbh for being such outdated hardware yet it’s doing it so well.. wow

Tesla's FCC application says they intend to start building new radar systems in mid January '23. As big a fan of Tesla as I am, I believe that inevitably they will be forced to issue partial refunds for FSD on vehicles whose hardware will not support the fully enabled feature.

I assume this older Tesla is using Mobileye, right?

@AIDRIVR

Жыл бұрын

Yep

AP1 was not designed to be used in 90% of the places you attempted to. AP1 is for highway use only, and that does most definitely does not include on-ramps and off-ramps. Using AP1 in any off highway scenario is disingenuous. BTW: The current AP3 version of autopilot contains 4 separate software stacks: 1. Highway (similar to AP1), 2. City Streets (FSD Beta), 3. Summon, and 4. Autopark. FSD Beta is the only stack that has gotten much development attention recently. All four are do to be merged into a single stack soon.

Nah, not your usual excellent content.

I wonder how tesla autopilot would react to different types of road rage such as brake checking and getting cut off

@alexp.6406

6 ай бұрын

Would blink headlights in Morse code: “F U” 😂

In many scenarios AP1 is actually better than modern cars

looks like it works better than Ford or GM's system... lol

Remember that this is NOT a Tesla software. It is Mobileye that is behind this.

I fell like all of us that have a AP1 car uses it where we should not use ;) Also have you looked at comma ai? there is a Tesla sub for it on thre discord.

To your question about why sensors are being removed here is very good explanation kzread.info/dash/bejne/kYtlrKR6lrmaedI.html

@lighthousesaunders7242

Жыл бұрын

Perfect response. I don't understand how someone as involved as AI Driver doesn't get this. Disappointing.

@CalinBalauru

Жыл бұрын

I don't mean to be disrespectful, I find your videos the best when it comes to FSD, just wanted to inform on a explanation that I found recently and it made a lot of sens for me. Keep up the excellent job! Much love from a country in Europe that does not have FSD yet :)

Isn't this MobileEyes software?

@AIDRIVR

Жыл бұрын

I believe it was co developed

What happened to just letting the videos play through and just speeding through them

Thanks to Nvidia for the hardware in your buddy’s car.

AP1 is good because it wasn’t made by Tesla, it was made by an Israeli firm which I believe is called Mobileye

Mercedes uses since 2013 a System which can follow the car infrot of you too if there are no lanemarkings

Was this moblieye software or Tesla's

@AIDRIVR

Жыл бұрын

I believe this was co-developed between both Mobileye & Tesla

Cameras are the human sense of sight, cars using cameras are limited. The radar showing cars it couldn’t see was a great example where the car could easily outperform humans on accident avoidance because it can know more. Heat cameras could see deer in dark woods about to jump onto the road. Ultra sonic allows the car to move quickly with confidence near obstacles in emergency avoidance without error of being wrong Tesla can add as many cameras as they want and get a perfect system but it will still be limited and a competitor could easily outperform autopilot. Why would tesla not work from the ground up developing the perfect self driving system like they did starting from the ground up for an electric car

tesla autopilot is Mercedes technology!

Not working with mobileye set tesla back and cost billions. Hopefully it's to go further and alleviate local maximums.

First

First?

I'm a commuter. I will NEVER buy a car without Tesla's autopilot. I had an issue last week where AP didn't work and I had to drive 55 minutes home....it was literally awful and I could never do that commute (both ways) every day.

This car really shows what a bad decision it was to rely on cameras alone. So many things you can do with radar and lidar that you can't with even the best camera vision.

You are using old version of AP1 as you stated nothing compares to Todays AP 10x.x.x which can handle hills and blind spots and more.