Ive had 3 surgeries. ( golfers and tennis elbows left and right ). Torn the tendons on both arms, 1 on the left which has recovered well nearly 1 year, but the right arm i have done twice and will need to do a third. Its a terrible condition. had multiple steriod injections before. Will never be the same but, being pain free in years is great.

This is a fantastic rundown! I have been struggling with medial epicondylitis for 18 months. I'm 51 and play a ton of golf. I went through the hoops of PT (which I knew wasn't going to help), tried a cortisone injection (got a few weeks relief from it), then after an MRI they found a 7mm tear. (I haven't weight trained or played golf since Feb, and then I couldn't barely swing a club). I then opted for a PRP injection (which I suspected wasn't going to help and actually made the pain worse than before); I think the physician may have botched it. My sports med physician gave me the choice between PRP and surgery, so I figured I'd try the least invasive option first. Anyhow, I just got surgery a few days ago. They did tendon release and debridement. My surgeon told me that this was my last resort due to the state of those Tendons. I'm hoping I get good results.

@TennisElbowClassroom

Ай бұрын

It's been three weeks since your comment and surgery (thank you for the praise!) How are you doing now? Hopefully your postop acute symptoms are way down and you're doing well. Another 3 weeks and I imagine you'll really be noticing an improvement if all goes as expected. I'm not anti surgery. When you really need it you need it and Tennis Elbow surgery has a really high success rate, as I understand it.

i have lateral epicondylitis and feeling lote pain in my left arm come down to my write and feeling numbness in little pain ,i see orthopedic sergury in he talk to me have to open my epicondylitis plus my elbow and wrist too ,that is a thru? because i was sergury the right elbow and that doctor never touch my right wrist, only work in my right epicondylitis. the pain is going no more .thanks for your help and information.

Best explanation for tennis elbow cure. BTW Could somebody please explain when it is a small / large tare in terms of size (in mm/ inch ) ?

something outs doctor, the orthopedic surgeon never send to do MRI only X rays so in that conf iam refused take the surgery.

Hey, KZread - Channel subscribers and visitors. I'm sorry it was such a long time between my last video and this one. I really want to do more full "talking head style" videos but, as you can see, this is another podcast / audio only one... (I find it takes so much more time, preparation and energy to make those visual videos that I rarely get to it.) I think it's better to at least share my podcasts here on KZread rather than not posting anything at all - What do you think? I hope you find this video on the question of when to start considering surgery helpful - and let me know if you have any thoughts about the format! And here's the link to the accompanying article, which goes into a little more detail: tenniselbowclassroom.com/tennis-elbow-treatments/tennis-elbow-surgery-when-is-it-time/

How severe does a tendon tear have to be before you need surgery? It's a tough question and here's my latest post on it: tenniselbowclassroom.com/treatments/healing-tendon-tears/ (It's a pretty extensive article. 700+ words. I don't know if there's going to be a video yet) - but I hope it helps you get some sense of what your options are, if you have a tear (especially if you have Golfer's or Tennis Elbow.) In some cases you may be able to heal and recover through a minimally-invasive procedure like PRP, Prolotherapy, Stem Cell Injection Treatments - OR one of the newer procedures like Tenex or TenJet. (And I do believe some milder tears can be healed and rehabilitated without any medical measures.) ALSO... I have an article and video (which I haven't gotten around to uploading here yet) on the question of "When do you need an MRI when you have Golfer's Elbow or Tennis Elbow?" tenniselbowclassroom.com/what-is-te/mri/

I have bilateral epicondylitis in which an MRI revealed advanced tendinopathy and low-grade intrasubstance tearing of the origin of the common extensor tendon in the left elbow and an x-ray revealed calcification at the insertion of the triceps tendon on the dorsal aspect of the olecranon in both elbows. The pain is obviously worse on the left arm. Would you recommend removing the calcium to help with the healing?

@TennisElbowClassroom

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry. I can't make these kinds of direct, personal recommendations. What does your surgeon recommend? Has the option of using Shockwave Therapy to break up the calicification come up? (I don't know whether it's a realistic option or not - but it might be worth asking about and looking into.)

I would have appreciated some images to go along with the excellent lesson👍

@TennisElbowClassroom

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I don't have any surgery images beyond the stock image I used for the background. Have to be very careful about copyright infringement.

So I had a prp njection about a month ago not much different song talking t Po a doctor about getting a to not a me and doing another pop injection you think that would cure the issue I also have a little bit of golfers elbow as well all that work for that or is it better just to do the prp alone for the golf example

@TennisElbowClassroom

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry. I can't understand your question. I have a feeling it might not be my place to answer it anyway, if it's a personal question about whether to get a PRP shot or not.

Sorry i was doing a speech to text and it came out horrible lol what i was saying was i had a prp injection and still in a lil pain im considering doin a percutaneous tenotomy along with another prp injection and split it so i can get part of the injection in the inside of my elbow i have golfers elbow as well. Would that be better than doin surgery?

@TennisElbowClassroom

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry. I wish I could help but I can't answer that, Omar.

I currently have tennis elbow (I am 46 years old, 6.5 '', 230 lbs) which was most probably caused from pull ups or TRX rows. I have it 2 months now and since then I have stopped exercising my upper body. Only legs, abs and lower back. I have done 2 weeks of physio therapies with electricity and ultrasound (unfortunately combined with ice...) with no success. Also tried some exercises, but they seem to make things worse (practically holding a dumbell, put the wrist in the upmost position using the other hand and leaving it to go down slowly). Have tried also some massage, either on the joint that feels pain, or in the muscles above and below the elbow, but to be honest is not consistent and of course I don't know how to do it exactly. I will try your methods and upload my feedback. Just a question for the future, when and if I start doing again some exercises. When doing pull ups is it better for the tendons to hold the bar with your palm instead of the fingers? And is it better to do push ups making a punch with your hands and not the typical twisted palm position? Thank you! PS: In the past I had a similar problem in my wrist and the physiotherapist I was going to (in Athens-Greece) was using some wood sticks (with a small ball in the edge) to remove the scar tissues. There was a hell of a pain in the process but in a couple of weeks the pain disappeared and never came back! And another time, when I had problem with the shoulder, I went to a chiropractician who massaged all my hand from the elbow to the wrist. Again pain disappeared after only 2 sessions! Unfortunately I don't have access to any of those guys now. But this makes me thing, out of my personal experience, that removing the scar tissue is the most important process for healing.

@matc8085

2 жыл бұрын

How did it go did you tried his program exercises ?

@amitpaul7940

Жыл бұрын

How are you now? Your case is exactly like mine.

Stem Cell treatment is the only viable option for moderate to severe tears

Als je al 3 jaar last hebt van een tenniselleboog en een mri wijst ook daadwerkelijk uit dat je het hebt. Heeft het dan nog zin om een operatie te overwegen en weer normaal werk te verrichten. Wil weer normaal kunnen functioneren

Oooh it hurts

Hi, I hope you reply. I have BOTH tennis, golfers elbow and elbow bone spurs on my left and right elbows..... i cant seem to find many mentions of how that is treated and in your experience is that very hard to treat, I'm in so much pain!

@TennisElbowClassroom

7 жыл бұрын

Do you have the "classic" kind of bone spurs: Osteophytes, (which form inside the joint) Or do you have Enthesophytes, which form where tendons attach to bones? There's a big difference.

@pamelabrown4195

7 жыл бұрын

Your xray shows bilateral medial and lateral epicondylitis. right elbow: moderate spurring about the medial epicondyle. There is mild spurring of the lateral epicondyle. The Left elbow, there is minor spurring about the lateral epicondyle as well as about the medial epicondyle. that's my report my PCP'S PA, I'm getting a referral to a orthopedic. specialist. I just haven't seen mention of both tendon issues on both arms WITH spurring.

@pamelabrown4195

7 жыл бұрын

I meant my xrays, not your

@TennisElbowClassroom

7 жыл бұрын

I think I'm going to have to defer to your Orthopedist on this. It could be a surgical issue - but it's definitely out of my scope! All the best to you, Pamela - and let us know when you find out more from your Ortho! (If you want to share, anyway.)

So, I have a question.. Is it bad that I have 'tenis elbow' at age 13? It makes it hard for me to grip anything.

@DonaldGaron

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, but will heal faster. I suggest you buy the online course on tenniselbowclassroom.com/. He helped me a lot with my Golfer's Elbow

@lisannekruizinga9693

4 жыл бұрын

promptis chocobo I have that too im also 13

@Ulagcomp

3 жыл бұрын

Do you play video games? If you do, it could be that. Mine went away when I stopped playing for two months.

why some orthopedic doctor do not send MRI? i don't understand, like you said the MRI es very important because show where is the problem.

@DonaldGaron

4 жыл бұрын

About 98% of people don't need surgery for Tennis or Golfer Elbow

I have this and radial nerve surgery april 11 at mayo clinic. Dr moorey is doing it. Im a double lower limb amputee. Man i have worn out elbows badly. Will i have a splint or cast after?.i have a horrible tendon. Severe tear and he said tendons bout gone from degeneration. Im 45 now. Lost kegs as a baby. So really hard on my arms.

@TennisElbowClassroom

6 жыл бұрын

I can't tell you whether you'll have a splint or cast after the surgery - That's a question for your surgeon. I do wish you all the best in your surgery and your subsequent recovery and rehab, though!

@LarsRyeJeppesen

6 жыл бұрын

How did it go? Are you ok?

@judo-drummerboy-tapout

6 жыл бұрын

Lars Rye Jeppesen well my dr had some kind of family emergency and had to leave. So my surgery was moved to may 11th. So next friday i have it done... ill let ya know how it went when im up to chatting after surgery....

@judo-drummerboy-tapout

6 жыл бұрын

Lars Rye Jeppesen had surgery yesterday. Had a bad night. Lota pain. But its much better today. But i also had raidial nerve surgery in firearm and they lengthened my tendon after scraping it clean. It was so tight it was also causing my rad nerve problem. My nerve area hurts way worse than my tendon. My nerve was squeeezed flat dr moorey said so it will hurt more as the nerve is free n mad from surgery. I had pain meds all day yest in hosp. Im missing my legs soo they kept me obver night. And i had some up to 1pm and none since. Ill take b4 bed for sure. Therapy starts in 2 weeks. Stitches gotta come out b4 he said. Anyway its not that bad. Ive been thru way worse.

I had an mri and I have high grade partial tear of the lateral tendon. I’ve done 2 prp shots. I even had a cast put on so that I would rest it. I’ve been off work for 2months. It’s looking like I need surgery, because when the therapist pushes on the tendon it still hurts. 😬😁

@TennisElbowClassroom

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that your tendon still hurts when pressed on is not a conclusive sign of much of anything, unfortunately - but I wish you luck! Sounds like you have a significant tear.

@jaguarreal9116

Жыл бұрын

Were you able to find a treatment?

Is it possible to just clip the little nerves in the tendons that transmit the pain signals?

@TennisElbowClassroom

5 жыл бұрын

There is a procedure called nerve ablation where nerve endings are destroyed to stop certain kinds of pain (I think I have heard of it being used in rare cases for Tennis Elbow) but does that really sound like a good idea?

Can tennis elbow surgery cause trigger finger?

@TennisElbowClassroom

4 жыл бұрын

I think that's possible. Have you talked to your surgeon about that?

@erikshen1107

3 жыл бұрын

I have tennis elbow and trigger finger so I say yes!!!

I've been suffering for 4 years now, golfer's elbow right elbow. It did get healed and got injured again and again in those years. Now it's just bad, no inflammation but there is a tear mild the doctor said. He said the tendon quality didn't look good for my age either (im 21).i know exactly what he meant. There is now scartissue and a tear so i booked a surgery in a month. HOW TO HEAL FASTER? Use bpc157 it did help me noticeably but i damaged it again 🙄. Will be pumping bottle of bpc157 once 2 weeks post of.

@TennisElbowClassroom

4 жыл бұрын

I wish you the best! Let us know how you're doing after the surgery.

@SM-ft2jv

4 жыл бұрын

How did it go bro? im 23 and been suffering for 2 years can relate, seeing my doc tomorrow

@John37ful

4 жыл бұрын

@@SM-ft2jv keep me updated. im 25 and had it for 1 year...had 2 prp injections and still going... :(

@SM-ft2jv

4 жыл бұрын

John37ful - my appointment got cancelled till further notice because of the virus bro, but in the meantime ive been doing certain exercises at home to strengthen the forearm and seems to be helping slowly

wrist

the orthopedic surgeon never doing MRI only X rays. any way i refused take the surgery. that's it.thanks

@TennisElbowClassroom

6 жыл бұрын

Tennis Elbow surgery recommended on the basis of an X ray without an MRI? - That sounds highly unusual. (Is it safe to assume this is not in The States or Canada?)

The MRI was so painful. It was required for my surgeon

@tammylawrence9035

5 ай бұрын

Me too 30 mins of hell

@nickfantoni5576

2 ай бұрын

Why is it painful ?

@PNW_Sportbike_Life

2 ай бұрын

@@nickfantoni5576 because your elbow is stuck in the machine putting pressure on it for 30 min.

No video???

@TennisElbowClassroom

Жыл бұрын

No video. (Do you want to see an actual surgical procedure!?)

@Lizzy_333

10 ай бұрын

@@TennisElbowClassroomabsolutely!

Just found out I have tennis elbow

More than 2 percent out of 10 patients definetly get worse after surgery ive had to operations in 8years and has never got better please do not! Get SURGERY it makes it so much worse

@TennisElbowClassroom

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing that, Jonathan. Really sorry to hear you had 2 surgeries and are actually worse off! (Hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving, though.)

@Barb61765

5 жыл бұрын

Did you start exercising it in the recovery room? Did they damage your posterior Antebraical cutanous nerve? If yes, google Dr. Tim Tollestrup, he can fix the nerve.

@samanthakleff9453

Жыл бұрын

I have had 2 surgeries, they worked great. no pain for 10 years, perhaps it was your dr...