Temeraire vs Game of Thrones: How to Create A Magic System

How do you create a magic system that matches and makes your story better? Let's break it down using dragons.
Link to my original video on how ASIOAF uses magic differently than other fantasy series: • How George R.R. Martin...

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  • @Crystalitar
    @Crystalitar6 жыл бұрын

    My main thing is that the temeraire dragons are sentient and FUNCTION in a role for their culture. That is extremely rare as dragons are so often portrayed as "That powerfull evil force that has to be tamed". Temeraire makes amazing relations and world, because in european culture they have partners, others they are kings, and others are indeed treated as wild beasts. Putting dragons into a culture vs "That rumored powerfull thing everyone fears"

  • @u.v.s.5583

    @u.v.s.5583

    Жыл бұрын

    They are more than that, they are the second fully sentient and talking race demanding equal rights to humanity with seats in parliament and stuff like that. They do not function in human culture. They form the second, equally powerful culture interwoven with the human culture and participate in owning this planet.

  • @andrazprelec8263
    @andrazprelec82633 жыл бұрын

    ''both of this stories are equaly interesting and equaly worth telling'' I think napolen on a dargon takes the cake on this one

  • @Stargatefreak95
    @Stargatefreak955 жыл бұрын

    you have way to few subs man! Pls don't stop making more videos and keep up the quality

  • @apersonofearth7368
    @apersonofearth73684 жыл бұрын

    I love both series I would change the endings tho didn’t see enough Lien in League of Dragons and GOT is pretty self explanatory

  • @kit888
    @kit8883 жыл бұрын

    More commonly known as hard versus soft magic systems.

  • @taderdinedillon2509

    @taderdinedillon2509

    13 күн бұрын

    I’ve always preferred harder over softer ones, perhaps another reason I wholly enjoy Temeraire

  • @mizouria4754
    @mizouria47543 жыл бұрын

    Wow, what an fantastic videos. Your work really deserves more attention. ;D greetings from an asian who lives in Germany *flies away*

  • @Gropylol
    @Gropylol2 жыл бұрын

    Good video bro, deserves more views, thank you

  • @leigh-anjohnson
    @leigh-anjohnson4 жыл бұрын

    I'm curious. In Temeraire, why don't the dragons fight the humans in the countries where they are treated like cattel?

  • @tacitcantos2005

    @tacitcantos2005

    4 жыл бұрын

    From what I remember, it's because dragons are very impressionable when in the egg and early on in life, so it's fairly easy to brainwash them. They also become extremely attached to 'their' humans.

  • @GreenDevil51

    @GreenDevil51

    3 жыл бұрын

    At the time Temeraire takes places, weapons are at the point where killing dragons most at least is fairly easy. most light weights to mid can die fairly easy to anti air and such. the reason why they didnt take over a country before is because there fairly greedy creatures that dont typically work with each other. this leads to human being simple able to outnumber them in fights.

  • @rosedawn8046

    @rosedawn8046

    2 жыл бұрын

    According to the books, intelligence,co-operation and adaptability that rival human in dragons are not common among dragons and they are rarely self independent. Dragons like Temeraire who are very intelligent are specifically bred for it like how we breed dogs into certain appeal. Their intelligence are even the result of human intervention.

  • @kmaher1424

    @kmaher1424

    2 жыл бұрын

    In most of the European countries at war, dragons are treated as valuable and long lived war horses. They are bonded to their riders, generally enjoy the challenge of battle, and are generously supplied with their basic needs. In Russia many dragons are treated badly. Some do escape and the results are dreadful. Temeraire (3 syllables) is an exceptional dragon who finds an exceptional rider. He sees where dragons are more equal and works for change in Europe. Their travels show a wide variety of human / dragon interaction. The series is a combination of Napoleonic era battles and subtle critiques of colonialism. With a touch of Regency comedy of manners. And Ms Novik finished her series...

  • @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl

    @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kmaher1424 I found it weird that author makes it looks like European are the only people that were colonizatizing

  • @clownpendotfart
    @clownpendotfart6 жыл бұрын

    I just criticized your previous video, and now I feel somewhat bad because this one addresses many of my criticisms: you compared apples with applies and tried to pick out what you believed was the best of an opposite approach to see what one gains & loses from it. You even follow Martin's lead by saying "low magic" rather than "low fantasy". I do find it somewhat odd that you present "dragons as nukes" as more "low magic" than "dragons as airforce". Nuclear weapons & airforces both exist in our own non-magical world. If one were to distinguish them, one might say that we developed flight (even self-powered heavier-than-air flight) before nuclear weapons, or even much of the scientific theory they were based on. Following Arthur C. Clarke's dictum that sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, nuclear weapons would thus seem the most magical, while dragons as airforce would logically be closer to dragons as symbols on banners. You talk about rarity, which is a fair point, but exactly how rare dragons (and magic) are is not a constant in Martin's stories, for we hear that they were once common in Valyria and that even in Westeros intra-Targaryen civil wars involved dragons fighting each other. Furthermore, you suggest using dragons to critique colonialism is only possible in an approach like Novik's, but there are readers who've taken Martin's depiction of Meereen to also be such a critique. The pedant in me would also like some evidence for your claim that the "majority" of contemporary fantasy takes the pseudo-scientific approach :)

  • @tacitcantos2005

    @tacitcantos2005

    6 жыл бұрын

    No worries, I really appreciate you taking the time to comment at all. --That’s a really interesting point about nukes being higher than airforce in terms of rarity, but I’d meant to the scale to reflect the rarity of the occurrences dragons/magical element in-world as much as plausible deniability, and in that respect nuclear weapons are rarer than an airforce in terms of which nations have access to them and how much use they actually see. --The rarity point is well taken, but I think the when of a setting is as important as the where of it, and Martin has very consciously put the main narrative during a period when magic has seeped out of the world and it’s at its lowest ebb (at the beginning of the first book, that is). Valyrians pretty explicitly did use their dragons much as an airforce, but they’re dead and gone and so Dany’s three are nukes in a way they wouldn’t be in the past. --I meant the specific type of animal husbandry/culture entanglement that Novik uses in Temeraire wouldn’t work with only a few dragons in her world; not that you can’t criticize colonialism with dragons as nukes, but just that the specific mode she uses doesn’t support a lower magic quotient. --That’s not pedantic of you at all, I really should have provided evidence if I was going to make a claim. Off the top of my head though, some of the more popular fantasy series in the last ten years that all of have pseudo-science magic: The Kingkiller Chronicle, anything by Brandon Sanderson, the Inheritance cycle, the First Law books, and N.K. Jemisin’s work.

  • @m.j.a7704
    @m.j.a77045 жыл бұрын

    Harry Potter is a pseudo scentific? Well lol idk about that

  • @UltimateKyuubiFox

    @UltimateKyuubiFox

    4 жыл бұрын

    More that its magic has form and structure. You read about a spell, perform a wand-movement, say the name, and learn how to execute it. It’s controllable. It’s repeatable. It’s, in that sense, scientific. Tolkein’s magic is not. You don’t know how it works, only that wizards can do it and its effects seem to vary from age to age and story to story, and its only distinguishing feature is that wizards are all divine. That’s the only explanation you get to have. If you can look at a magic system and know how you would perform it, it’s pseudo-scientific under the video’s definition. If you look at a magic system and feel in the dark as to how anyone could perform it, it’s mystical. This distinction is often labeled as hard magic vs. soft magic. Hard has rules, soft is vague.