Privacy is broken for any messaging service once they ask for anything identifiable, such as phone number or email.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

I disagree here, you have to look at the data that these companies put out of their own reach with e2ee encryption, and that will dictate how much privacy you're actually getting on the app (phone number is irrelevant in a world of voip numbers that are easily procurable, and on top of that it's possible to use Signal in beta without a phone number)

@youdontneedmyrealname

8 ай бұрын

@NaomiBrockwellTV You have to trust that their company is squeaky clean and won't link your phone number to any chats you are in whether or not it's end-to-end encrypted. There is a trail to be followed, and it can be used for correlation attacks when dealing with high resource attackers. That being said, if you were going for privacy/anonymity, you'd be using open source option like the Matrix network on a device (pc) that runs mostly non proprietary code (linux distro like qubes os). The rabbit hole is deep when you want to acquire true privacy 🤷‍♂️

@godnyx117

8 ай бұрын

And as long as the have centralized servers!

@godnyx117

8 ай бұрын

@@NaomiBrockwellTV It doesn't really matter. The same way they can encrypt it, they can decrypt it! If it's not a decentralized network, running by volunteers, or directly sending messages to the person you talk about, you can never be safe!

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

@@godnyx117 actually public key encryption is asymmetric. You can't decrypt it the same way you encrypt it.

When it comes to the internet, assume nothing is private. If you want a private conversation with someone then you need to meet face to face in a place with no technology.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

That's a really disempowering way to phrase it. There are many ways people can improve their privacy, let's not normalize surveillance and have a defeatist attitude 💪

@FMega99

8 ай бұрын

But it's the truth

@ericconnor8419

8 ай бұрын

@@NaomiBrockwellTV It also happens to be true

@FineWine-v4.0

8 ай бұрын

​@@ericconnor8419It's not gonna help you, you can still be effectively spied by tech Tech is a superpower

@Pythagoras1plus

8 ай бұрын

"face to face" is a quite expensive communication platform if you need to board a plane to meet the other people.

I barely used telegram feeling it wasnt clear or transparent which types of "privacy" it offer thanks so much for verifying it. Your channel is amazing and worthy of awards.

7:48 I don't see any mention of Signal's new code that they injected, which is to "fight spam", and is _not_ open source. Nobody really knows what it does or what it can be used for.

@zeniktorres4320

8 ай бұрын

Signal is part of Silicon Valley.

@Ateshtesh

8 ай бұрын

Signal is a CIA app after all, funny that her talk about it as the definitive solution instead to say "there is no way message in internet be real private" which is a lot more realistic and neutral.

@zeniktorres4320

8 ай бұрын

@@Ateshtesh Correct. Absolutely it is. Signal is a compromised service.

So.. all the problems you mentioned happen on non secret chats, those that are never stored as readable on any given server. And since they are worldwide, you need several court orders to get . Let me guess, signal is better, right?

@KojiKazama

8 ай бұрын

For people that want to obtain it legally, that would be true. If a server was compromised, a hacker would have access to the keys, meaning they could decrypt all the messages (including history) stored on the server, whereas with client-to-client, there are no keys on the server with regards to users' messages so you would not retrieve anything. Besides, insider leaks, attacks and privacy invasion is more common that a hacker penetrating the network.

@randomshorts739

8 ай бұрын

No internet is private most of the sea cables go through the UK and the UK scoops up all the data and America pays them to do it

@KojiKazama

8 ай бұрын

@@randomshorts739 it is encrypted and only the recipient has the key to decrypt it. Whether it be the app server in client server encryption or the end user in end to end encryption.

@sharp3124

8 ай бұрын

@@randomshorts739 and thats what E2EE is for. None of the internet is anonymous (without i2p/tor), because your data can always be seen coming from one place and going another, however the internet can definitely be private for the masses if anyone puts a little bit of work into it.

@danielch6662

8 ай бұрын

I wouldn't trust signal either. They SAY they don't keep the keys. But how can we be sure?

In Switzerland, we mostly rely on Threema. Don‘t know if this is a plus, but the Swiss Army has effectively outlawed any and all messaging apps, except Threema. And some government agencies even use the work version of it as a default app for their employees on work phones.

@etziowingeler3173

8 ай бұрын

Threema is probably the best regarding security/encryption. But the usability is unfortunately significantly worse than TG or Signal, but maybe this will change eventually.

@OneGlass

8 ай бұрын

@@etziowingeler3173 True. It’s quite fidgety and you have to be really into the security/privacy aspect of it to ignore that.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

Threema seems like a good options from what I've seen

@eddie.b2k

8 ай бұрын

Threema has no native desktop version, no multi device support and lacks many great features like channels, group chat advanced administration, message editing, and many more. It's also not fully open source.

@cameronmoore136

8 ай бұрын

@@eddie.b2k I'm not saying you're wrong, but why do you feel as though it's not fully open source? I'm not familiar with Threema but I just did a quick google search and don't see anything suggesting parts of it might not be open source.

One of the many things I like about your channel is that you've earned my trust that you will always have our back. Let's be honest, not everyone has the time or knowledge to really dive deep into every detail of how those apps and services work. So it's important to have someone you can trust to guide you a little through all of this.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

This comment makes me so happy to hear. We really want to help as many people as we can 🙏

@wheelieblind

8 ай бұрын

@@NaomiBrockwellTV I don't trust any app if I needed to send a message in secret I'd use a One Time Pad. Do you think their is anything more secure then that, I mean, I know I would not be able to use it in all situations. What do you suggest using?

@nateromanowski793

8 ай бұрын

@@NaomiBrockwellTV one of the few people i'll trust with tech advice. you're fucking tops Naomi.

@Primeagen

8 ай бұрын

But then the same question comes that how can we trust NB? She isn't open source

@nateromanowski793

8 ай бұрын

@@Primeagen lol lol fair point bro but yeah if you've watched enough of NB'TV's videos, you know their not full of shit boii

It's not about communication. It's about news.

@ElixirEcho

8 ай бұрын

It's about controlling the sheep.

Naomi couldn’t be more great if she tried.

@openeroftheway8596

8 ай бұрын

But why would she be tried? Has she even been arraigned?! jk

@pbrpapi1683

8 ай бұрын

simplife amirite lol

@njiomonansichristianfreder6374

8 ай бұрын

​@@pbrpapi1683💯

@eatme337

8 ай бұрын

Simp

You forgot to link the 2 videos in the description. Great vid. Glad I switched to Signal about a year ago. 👍

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

Ooooohh thanks, will add!

I don't use it for privacy... so I'm still okay with using it.

@IdkG7

8 ай бұрын

Without privacy there is no freedom.

@yuukanee

8 ай бұрын

​@@IdkG7oil is very much needed for freedom

@vincenzonigro823

8 ай бұрын

@@IdkG7 with secret chat yes

@IdkG7

8 ай бұрын

@@vincenzonigro823 or just use signal, session, simplex

@MthaMenMon

8 ай бұрын

i agree, funny enough, it is great... for piracy, some sort of direct file sharing method without giving your ip address (which means, they cant sue the poor by making honey pots)

great coverage. You should also look into exposing the VPn providers (the privacy touting BS)

No messenger in the world is secured/private. Even end to end encryption messages CAN BE STOLEN before the app encrypts and sends

@FMega99

8 ай бұрын

100% 🎉

@Primeagen

8 ай бұрын

That's why use open source softwares which have been audited

@TechnoEveryday

8 ай бұрын

@@Primeagen problem comes when others don't use that software

@javadj184

8 ай бұрын

Excactly, Your phone has ai in it which is basically seeing what you see on the screen and takes action if! necessary. Apple has this ai since iphone10.

@TechnoEveryday

8 ай бұрын

@@javadj184 true

This is one of the best videos ive seen in a while I always find it ironic because of how many people use telegram with public search and plaintext for groups

Exactly Naomi! Please post more videos like this!🚀

@jnnx

8 ай бұрын

Richard Stallman has been ringing this bell for YEARS.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@pixelduster2000

8 ай бұрын

Naomi and Richard can ring the bell all they want. TG is NOT about privacy. It's about content. And they don't cuck as much to the authorities as other platforms. Apart from the dark web, it's the only little crumb we have of what the internet used to be until the politicians realized people can be controlled through it. I would love to share some channel names to give people an idea, but this comment would be instantly deleted by the AI.

Naomi, you have my deep and lasting respect for your clear and upbeat delivery of very serious and important information.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for your kind words!

I made an account once and without even allowing access to my contacts, others that *had* allowed access to their contacts with me inside of them immediately started messaging me. I was so uncomfortable. Thanks for making a video to help get this to be more common knowledge

@mentecriptica3163

8 ай бұрын

No different than signal and whatscrapp

@halfhydra7280

8 ай бұрын

@@mentecriptica3163 Signal does that too? Bruh

@flizzycat

8 ай бұрын

That's one of the most annoying features... The only way to go around this is to use alt phone number that no one knows about. Also if you sync your contacts there's no way to see that list

@DoctorRainer

7 ай бұрын

It's a phone number culture issue

Another great video. Well done 👍

Very much appreciated! 😊

amazing .. you explained it super well

At 1:17 you highlight the agreement that says group chats are stored on their services, but ignore the next sentence, "stored HEAVILY ENCRYPTED... keys stored in different jurisdictions..." Did you miss that part? And completely ignoring that, you say they can read messages, see pics, and that any govt can demand, but if you read their whole discussion of their security, they make the point that by splitting keys and storing each part in different jurisdictions, 2-3 different governments would need to demand keys. Maybe you don't believe their claim, or maybe it's still not good enough, but it seems misleading to not at least acknowledge it.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

1) Telegram sees your messages 2) Any hacker who get the key or any government who demands it is a potential risk, and all you have is their word that it won't happen.

hand delivering an actual letter is safer than any messaging system.

@ericconnor8419

8 ай бұрын

Writing anything down is always dodgy avoid it for anything you want to keep private, but face to face conversations are O.K, as long as you remember the ubiquity of doorbells with cameras in and avoid new cars like Teslas. Beaches and parks were popular with spies for a reason, the old ones are usually still the best. Forests and farmland is even better.

@samotoremor662

8 ай бұрын

@@ericconnor8419 lol you are so right. Maybe smoke signals?

Totally agree. Similar concerns with protonmail - some people think they are a front end for interpol. There is no such thing as privacy unless you encrypt your message yourself, before entering it into any program.

@spicychad55

8 ай бұрын

Best way is to avoid known digital encryption algorithms and make up your own encryption algorithm and send pics of the messages via password locked zip files and then you change the algo routinely. Not even the N S -A can figure it out.

@anthonysach

8 ай бұрын

I think the main problem with any encrypted email service is people not understanding if the person at the other end is using something like Gmail it's not encrypted. Getting friends, family or even a business to properly encrypt everything is not easy. If you use Windows 10 or 11 it captures what you type unless you turn it off and make sure it stays off after updates. Windows, iphones and Google Androids are similar and can capture text or do a screenshot. You can only be secure with a good Linux distro and a deGoogled phone and your recipients must have the same or it gets captured their end.

@jonnygiantrobot

8 ай бұрын

What do you turn off on windows to stop them from reading what you type??

@jonnygiantrobot

8 ай бұрын

​@@anthonysachhi, what do you turn off in windows 10 & 11 to stop them from capturing everything you type in?

@PantherBlitz

8 ай бұрын

​@@jonnygiantrobotSettings > Privacy > Inking and typing personalization > OFF

Good stuff 👍 Thank you 💜

Keep up the great work Naomi....my go to for privacy tips in the digital realm!

I am so sick of companies lying about important human rights like privacy.

Thank you so much for this vid.

This is one of the few channels that I’ve donated to.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

I really appreciate your support! We couldn't do this without you 🙏

Informative🙌🏽

thanks for preparing this video, very important

Thanks again Naomi!

Excellent video. Thanks. Looking forward to watching your video about Viber security 🤣👍

Your insight is always appreciated, Naomi! Thank you :)

I've long preferred Signal, but WhatsApp is more prevalent in my circles. I dislike Telegram for some of the reasons you described, but I was unaware of their awful default settings.

Amazing content!

Thank you Naomi, Love you

Thank you Naomi.

An interesting topic for discussion. I agree with many commentators👍

Thank you for clarification 👍

thanks the more I watch your Content the more I'm more aware and concerned about privacy .. I'm always searching for the best value and privacy from any app or service lately 😅

Naomi Brockwell, Thank you very much!

Interesting. I'm subbed, and this video isn't showing up in my sub feed. Including this one, it looks like I've missed your past 4 videos. Which means they likely weren't showing up either at the time. Scrolling back I see the other 3 I missed now. Good old KZread. And "Banks Are SELLING Your Financial Data!" is a topic that definitely would have caught my attention.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

👀😮

Glad to hear this info

Surprising that people at defcon had to be reminded of about this.

Time to make a new report to the FTC ... Bad Business Practices and Product Misinformation ... Lets Go!

I've been explaining this to my contacts this very morning and low and behold your video hit like lighting at the right time

Hard to believe that the one who sold his soul in his previous venture won't do the same for Signal

@Primeagen

8 ай бұрын

Who had sold the soul?

@ashtonal

8 ай бұрын

@@Primeagen signal founder. K’mon

thank you very much 👍

I love your content. It makes non-technical people aware about this.

If it's on a network, it's not private. Basically NOTHING is private on internet.

Super helpful, as always!

I never joined telegram despite everyone moving there because they asked for my phone number, it didn't make sense that people were going there for privacy

Doesn't matter. You have no privacy already once you signed up for your phone.

You’re a gem! Seriously, you are a giver I’ve been around the block a few times and down the street and across the pond and back again so I come to the view communication with skepticism wondering often how real. Well I have been watching, and enjoying your generosity Let me rephrase that your helpful generosity for sometime now. OMG! The world needs many more givers like us like you. When I’m about to say how much seems antithetical and perhaps it is well, you should ask more I know lol after what I just said you have a very soft “ ask”, given the value you so openly share I want to implore my fellow watchers and appreciators if that is such a word if not we can add that to the lexicon of English. You give so much and ask in a whisper. So to those of you who have enjoyed Naomi‘s endless giving please, think about how much Naomi has shared with you and how many decisions you may have, or definitely have made differently or changed courses and how much she has saved us in terms of costly decisions. No, I don’t know Naomi or I should say I know her as you know her through videos only so thank you Naomi again and I am floor my fellow listeners if you can and we all can do something give because I see wisdom like this as insurance. Or an assurance of better decision making.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

You are very kind 💛

This was such a good watch Naomi. Thank you for highlighting issues with Telegram. A wonderful presentation as ever.

Saying telegram is bad, but without any strong alternative. Signal was hacked before, and some celebrities that use Signal were hacked too. Unless you want some custom made software, it's probably not safe.

Thank you :)

Talking to a person in the middle of thee forest without any phones is the safest

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

That's not practical or helpful advice tho lol

Session Messenger is a step up from Signal Messenger as it removes the phone number from the equation .. but otherwise same.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

Session messenger is arguable a step down because they don't support perfect forward secrecy

@mentecriptica3163

8 ай бұрын

@@NaomiBrockwellTV signal messenger is arguable a step down because they require a phone number, which is the worst identifier for privacy.

@samrouz

8 ай бұрын

Get a fake number

@mentecriptica3163

7 ай бұрын

@@samrouz 90% of most people don't know how to do that. Also, too much hassle for a fake number when phone-number-less replacements exist.

Awesome video and channel, love cryptography and security/privacy. I suscribe to your channel, thanks for this!!

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

Welcome!

What a bs, I'm glad to see lot of people in the comments are seeing things for what they are

With E2E encryption only you and apple / google plus the recipient can acces the message. Are we going to continue avoiding message apps are not running in the air?

considering the jarkarta method, how easy this is for the gov to collect self-disclosure information about which people they are to go after next

I have a friend who is the most paranoid person I’ve ever met. I used this app for about 2 weeks when up pops a message from someone I’d blocked from everything years ago. That was that for Telegraph and me. When I told my friend I assumed she’d delete it. Nope. She counts on it for loads of conspiracy theorists and for using when she goes on cruises. I’m going to share this with her and see if that changes her mind.

top video, really interesting, and super well explained; thanks

Ok and which service do you recommend instead?

thanks Ms Naomi hope you continue being the best privacy KZread channel for all of us

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

💛

Where can I get that T-Shirt?! I love it!

Great video

Naomi you are saviour in this era of ...

@Primeagen

8 ай бұрын

Era of dots?

Would you recommend Mega's encryption for excruciatingly private data? If not, which platform would you recommend?

XMPP exists. We should all be using that, if only for it's decentralized nature.

Probably the same as the Brave browser. Everyone thinks it's private and secure and they tell you that but it's actually not at all.

Ватсап использует сквозное шифрование по умолчанию. Вы же помните что сказал Цукерберг насчёт защищённости? он не гарантировал что данные не могут передаваться третьим лицам. Я бы не хотел чтобы телеграм был так же неудобен как ватсап в плане того что у меня должен быть активен телефон, чтобы зайти в мессенджер с ПК. Приватные чаты в Телеграм доступны только лишь с одного устройства -- телефона, где был создан чат

Simple Reason : They are cross platform If all chats are encrypted on the device, you'll lose the cross platform functionality This is also why secret chats are only available on the device they were started on

Surpises me all the time how people believe the app was "encrypted"

i would like to get your thoughts on unstoppable domains chat

It is such a shame because Telegram has THE BEST feature set across all of the apps and is superior to WhatsApp, Signal, etc. But the privacy issues let it down.

Is there a way to find out who owns or is watching on the exit node when using tor?

I saw your this video yesterday too...

oh, I love this channel.

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

we love you too

thank you

Hey noron just a life saving advice no one phone is save. Even old no smart ones. Its not about software. Proofed by me.

It's such a heart broken news, because I used to think Telegram was so secure and I was told to my friends, to switch to Telegram, but now it's not as secure as it was when I first Installed it. So sad 😢

This channel.....absolutely priceless.

1:12 that’s the point

What's a good messenger that allows multiple devices to access anytime then?

It's largely insecure lol I have no idea how people thought otherwise when willingly give the app permission to everything on their phones.

Thanks, I was seriously looking at Telegram as an alternative to Facebook/Messenger, but I guess I have to keep looking elsewhere.

So necessary. A while ago I was discussing a piece in my student newspaper about Telegram handing over user data to the German and Indian governments ('tel-a-lie-a-gram') with a fellow student. They said "telegram? Isn't that like [an] encrypted [alternative to] WhatsApp?"

That's why I used handwritten letter in cursive and delivered by pigeon.

@gentlerain3245

8 ай бұрын

Your pigeon landed in my yard, my neighbor was hunting that day!

I would love to see a video about Discord.

I mean they say "Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data." But how effective that is and what other attack vectors there are...idk

No privacy focused messenger should require phone number.

I know and I have been telling that to people since it came out

I love you Naomi!

Never thought that telegram was private, i dont use it for private messaging, but its much more free speech.

But signal isn’t perfect either. They’re still requiring phone numbers for registration. That info could still be used. I still use signal, but just wish they would get rid of that

@NaomiBrockwellTV

8 ай бұрын

You can use them in beta without phone numbers. But I strongly encourage everyone to use a voip number with signal regardless. We needs to get away from the idea that everyone has one single phone number as their unique identifiable, it's bad on many levels

@pqsk

8 ай бұрын

@@NaomiBrockwellTV oh nice finally. The request has been there for years for email. That is a good idea. Strangely enough I use my voip for everything else.

@parasportz

8 ай бұрын

Voip might be an easier and cheaper service to use in USA but in places like Australia, it seems expensive. If you use a service like Mysudo, you can only pay with Google pay...which immediately identifies you.

@mentecriptica3163

8 ай бұрын

@@pqsk Most people will not use voip. It is better to use apps that require no phone number, like Briar, Simplex chat or Session. Xmpp also exists. Avoid any app that requires the worst identifier for privacy: phone number.

It is time to use Session.

Privacy has gone out of the window a long time ago since the introduction of the telephone

@igorthelight

8 ай бұрын

But you still can be "more private" or "less private" ;-)