The MOST PRIVATE Messaging Apps
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Seeing as we do a huge amount of our communicating via messaging services these days, it's important to know what information we giving out, and to whom.
There are many messaging apps that bill themselves as being "private", but which ones actually are?
We dig into Whatsapp, iMessage, Telegram, Signal, Session, Threema, Wire, and Matrix to tell you what's what. (TLDR: Not all of these "privacy apps" are actually private!!!)
00:00 What to look for in a Private Messaging App
00:55 WhatsApp
02:17 Telegram
04:32 Apple's iMessage
06:02 Signal
09:52 Session
10:17 Threema
10:57 Matrix
11:47 Wickr
11:51 Wire
12:44 Conclusions
Written by Reuben Yap, C. Edward Kelso, and Naomi Brockwell
Special thanks to Kieran Mesquita and Andy for their help with research
Edited by Lee Rennie
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Anything associated with facebook should be considered as malware and spyware by default.
@sofort99
2 жыл бұрын
Same with Apple.
@ibnewton8951
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, and for that matter by Amazon too.
@likebot.
2 жыл бұрын
And Goo- _I said too much._
@mixolydian9102
2 жыл бұрын
FB is the devil!
@me4654
2 жыл бұрын
@@leesweets4110 If you go to settings and delete the cookie's and the apps that save cache you'll see every Google app and Facebook stores a lot, apps that don't care like my area's emergency alert saves nothing if you don't have anything to sell or advertise you don't need to save the cookies and cache you'll see who's the spy!
I use Signal. But as you stated, it can be difficult to convince others to download and use the platform. That has, for me, been the toughest part of private messaging.
@NaomiBrockwellTV
Жыл бұрын
Keep trying, it can take a while but there are tricks you can use
@thomasf.7940
Жыл бұрын
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Hi Naomi, any tips? After changing to Android from iPhone texting with my girlfriend has been miserable lol.
@kw503
Жыл бұрын
@@NaomiBrockwellTV Signal's SMS messaging stopped yesterday on Android. I'm looking for an alternative to Signal without going to Google's native messaging app. I knew you spoke about Threema before, but I just saw bad comments about its security.
@mxclwolf
Жыл бұрын
I preferred threema but had that issue, switched to signal
@chris122380
6 ай бұрын
This wasn't a problem with signal until they dropped the backward compatibility SMS support. Which makes it difficult to use and requires another possible vulnerable app
This channel deserves at least a million subscribers. Naomi's videos are always informative and entertaining, love those funny catches.
@NaomiBrockwellTV
Жыл бұрын
@JPcommunicates
15 күн бұрын
That is your personal opinion. Others make their own choices. The amount of followers and likes has nothing to do with quality.
Jack Dorsey praising Signal. Oh, the hypocrisy.
@altrogeruvah
2 жыл бұрын
In a more literal sense, you wouldn't expect the CEO of McDonalds to eat the garbage his company sells.
@chiriacvsebastian
2 жыл бұрын
Signal is NSA's. Just like ProtonMail was owned by the FBI.
If its not open source, then none of the other stuff matters. It's just marketing.
@AcidiFy574
2 жыл бұрын
Actually free software
In 1983, when I bought my first pc, whe starter to talk about the right way to manage encription and password. 40 years seem blown away...
Session's decentralized approach for the long run win.
@climatechangedoesntbargain9140
2 жыл бұрын
no, bc. of blockchain, and lack of PFS
@Chronos867
Жыл бұрын
@@climatechangedoesntbargain9140 which one would you suggest?
Naomi, you are my fav channel to watch. Great information, but you deliver like 1000%. An amazing treat... hooked :)
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 ай бұрын
Really appreciate you!
Thanks for this! I recently switched to signal but trying to get my friends to do the same is proving difficult. I’m sending them the link to this video! Perhaps then they’ll get it :) I really think people should be more aware than they appear to be.
Simple, short and informative. Thanks Naomi!
Thank you Naomi, a really thorough explanation along with clarity and useful brevity.
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying so!
@johnmalory26
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there is nothing else to add. www.securemessagingapps.com/
Interesting, thanks. What I learned from this: 1. The smaller my digital footprint, the better. 2. There is a false notion that your choices drive the market and that this is the only control you have of how this all goes. 3. I am right not to use a smartphone and/or apps. 4. the future - in a sane world - would be analogue
You completely forgot Briar, it has all the requirements and it is trusted by journalists in conflict zones. No centralized server, open source, no identifiable personal data and NO phone number required. All its comms are routed through Tor. Without it the rest of the world would not know what is going on in Madagascar, in Haiti, in Myanmar, in South Africa, in Cuba, in Ethiopia, in Afghanistan, China or in Nigeria. Even Mohammad IV of Morocco trembles at the thought of Briar. 😅
@24hourtourist
2 жыл бұрын
@CZARFACE Not so. Try to NOT get your news from social sites. 🙄
@me4654
2 жыл бұрын
All these could have just been avoided if they left the 3G signal alone and everyone was content with a regular phone and the internet separate! The devil is within!
@rbrjb1959
2 жыл бұрын
Do you use Briar,, no phone to access ?
@w1z4rd9
Жыл бұрын
Yet it isn't available on iOS.
@mrf_71
11 ай бұрын
Briar is texting only which sucks.
You are very good. The two videos of yours I just watched will be invaluable and have kind of a poetic justice as I'm one of the most monitored and shadow banned people on the planet.
WhatsApp problem was never the tech, but the untrustworthy parent company. If you trust someone with Mark's track record, you deserve to be screwed. Same with Apple. Common people, use your brains!
@maremagnus
Жыл бұрын
People: "no, I don't want to, take info and anything else"
Great video. Thank you so much, Naomi.
The handy part of signal I find is the desk top program. So I dont have to use the phone when I am on the PC. Makes sending pics and links easy peasy.
great information....it doesn't hurt that you're lovely as well. Thanks Naomi!
Absolutely excellent video ! I enjoyed it and learned from it a lot ! Thank you very much and may God bless you always !
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@Max_Jacoby
2 жыл бұрын
Outdated though.
Nice work Naomi! Will you maybe do in future video compering few VPNs security providers ?
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
Ok, this is the 4th or 5ft very informative video I watched from this channel, guess it's a "signal" to subscribe. Well done.👍
@NaomiBrockwellTV
9 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard!
I am one of the ones that dumped WhatsApp and switched to Signal but nobody I know uses it they prefer giving all their info to Zuck!
@sbradyork
2 жыл бұрын
Idiots 👍
@mr.quacko3884
2 жыл бұрын
Invite them.
Gr8 review , it’s very educative.Thank you
So well presented ... Happy Element was mentioned and Wire. Less popular... Way more safe
Great video... Keep it up.. Waiting for more interesting videos from you
So now I have Signal, how do I message you Naomi? Haha, another great video!
An excellent messenger, I advise everyone to watch the video who knows English ...
Thank you Naomi! Smart, helpful, and you have cute, modest dresses! Classy!
@casaraku1
9 ай бұрын
my mother has the same style Mormon style..
What about the app Sekur, a Swiss based entity? I'd like you to review that specifically
Good content, thanks and keep up the good job! I have a question: how Signal and all of the other apps sustain the costs if they're not collecting data? Servers, electricity, developers, support and so on is a lot of money
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
Signal is a non profit, they’re funded by a giant donation from Acton (see my update on signal video) and now users can also support the foundation. I am a paying user
@WitchMedusa
Жыл бұрын
Buy Signal Sustainer, me & my brother have it so we look cool I'm group chats.
Thanks for the useful infos! What about Viber? I use it daily, but there are more and more hiccups every day like not being able to send msgs or they dont get them. So Im thinking about changing.
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
I recommend Signal
Nice .thanks Naomi😊
I wish you had also mentioned XMPP
😍😍😍 going to have to try Signal...
thanks you for this informative video i might try to get mom and my friends to use signal
Люблю смотреть ваши видео очень интересно спасибо жду новых выпусков
To me, Element/Matrix is my favorite, I also think its signup process is way easier than it is with signal as you don't need a donor phone number.
@awilywolf
Жыл бұрын
Threema is also killer. $5 USD for it though.
@fnordpol
Жыл бұрын
@@awilywolf No it is not! if it requires to register at 3rd party to do a payment to get an ID. Also threemas server is closed source!
@awilywolf
Жыл бұрын
@@fnordpol Session?
Here from BitboyCrypto ATBS well done Ms Naomi.. love your stuff.. Aussie Aussie Aussie..🇦🇺 New Sub here Gorgeous.😊👍
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@ledgarrido7774
2 жыл бұрын
@@NaomiBrockwellTV glad i found your channel. Looking forward foŕ your next vid, Ill be sure to watch.😊👍
I will try Wire now that Signal doesn't support SMS. It would be nice to get a report update on this industry ❤
Excellent video.
so what is the non-phone number version of Signal? if they change that requirement than anonymous accounts can and another layer of privacy.
Отличное видео, интересно было смотреть.
Naomi can you do a vid on most private/best password manager?
What about the keyboard you use to write your messages? They collect metadata so no matter what app permissions these apps have, they still collect the data depending on your keyboard app
@darkstars-torpedoes-of-truth
5 ай бұрын
A very important point that's mostly overlooked.
Great video, keep up the good work.
what is signal update now ? heard different news now?
wow thank you naomi :)
What a minefield Naomi. Thank you.
You advacate using a differant phonumber for Signal. So pay for anothar cellular contract just for Signale messaging? Or can the cellulars provide an alturnate number for your contract on request?
@scotter
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah how does one get a phone number anonymously?
@grey5626
2 жыл бұрын
@@scotter You don't. Moreover, everything with a phone number is subject to CALEA and PATRIOT Act legislation which facilitate warrantless wiretapping. I can cite court transcripts with Signal logs submitted as evidence. I wouldn't trust it, at all.
Do you know anything about Wispr from crypto data?
You are a Jewell in our Realm.
Session is the best
@kingofkingz235
3 ай бұрын
Why do they have the backdoor open for the ausie government?🤔😂
How do you deal with people who say "Oh, I have nothing to hide, so let them read my data" 😱 I try telling them that just because you want privacy doesn't mean you're hiding something. But it's a tough sell.!
@AcidiFy574
2 жыл бұрын
Tell thrm to share their purchase history& account name & pass
@junaid2606
2 жыл бұрын
@@AcidiFy574 They probably would do that too.
@AcidiFy574
2 жыл бұрын
@@junaid2606 bank accounts??
@parasportz
2 жыл бұрын
@Junaid Tell them it's like saying you are against free speech just because you have nothing to say. It's like having a shower and allowing the creep to take pics of you without your permission.
@smellybaam
2 жыл бұрын
It's not that I have anything to hide, I just have nothing I wish you to see 🙂
Thank you!!!!!
What SMS app do you recommend now that Signal no longer does SMS?
Thank you again
Any chance we can get a Session app update? It seems pretty strong currently. My kid can text me from his Linux PC now!
What about SMS apps? Sometimes I need to send message to friends who doesn't have Signal, only whatsapp. The SMS app installed on my phone is from Google. What another alternative and private app to send SMS/MMS?
COULD YOU PUT THE BACKUP IN A SECURE VAULT OF SOME SORT??
I use Signal exclusively. I didn't hear Naomi mention that Signal can also replace your phone's SMS/text app. I use Signal as both a messenger and for SMS. Nice to have both in the same app.
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a great point
@iczer01
2 жыл бұрын
signal has proven itself over and not to mention its illegal in china. just a couple things you have to remember in signal unless you enable disappearing messages and never use archive and dont do backups.
@trebor2539
2 жыл бұрын
i do same but dont have a single friend on signal. still think using it better than what comes with phone
@GaleForcePhilippines
2 жыл бұрын
@@bobjeandulac2797 I'm pretty sure that not EVERY (or any) app can replace the stock SMS app, but that was NOT my point. My point was that I can ALSO use Signal as my SMS app. And I don't think anyone is being "fooled by that" SMS texts on Signal are not encrypted, but nor are texts on stock SMS apps encrypted. Using Signal as my messaaging app and SMS app are just a matter of convenience. Thanks!
@trebor2539
2 жыл бұрын
@@bobjeandulac2797 am i at least a little more protected using signal for SMS vs stock texting app in some way?
Hey Naomi - how about a blockchain-based messenger?
So, if I’m on Graphene and use Signal, I will lose access to anyone that is using IOS or android messaging apps? I won’t be able to communicate by text with strangers as well?
В очередной раз, убеждаюсь что на вашей страничке,Интересный контент, а так же форма выражения вашей точки зрения, спасибо вам за данный контент
Awesome thanks
Do you know about xPal Secure Encrypted Messenger?
Telegram fixed described problem right after it appears during Hong Kong protest. Information not actual anymore, video is long outdated despite it's a three days old only.
Lol you the best,thank you 👌✨
Ooh! Ice cream truck!
use a de-esser on your voice.. the "s" is way too loud
all very good applications
What’s the best app to use where law enforcement can’t get into it ?
What about sphinx chat?
The bangs is real.
Thx informative
good shot
very interesting
Skype not discussed?
Plus, why this video is not on Odysee?
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
It is!
Отличное видио спасибо за видео ролик
You popped into my KZread feed and it was driving me nuts trying to remember where I had seen you before. Did you used to do videos for Learn Liberty a long time ago?
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
I was the host of Learn Liberty :)
@billpacheco7673
2 жыл бұрын
@@NaomiBrockwellTV now my brain can stop thinking about that and I can turn that part of my brain to something else. thanks for the reply
@NaomiBrockwellTV
2 жыл бұрын
@@billpacheco7673 lolol :)
Hi, quick question, my kid has a phone but it doesn’t have a Sim card. When they’re at home on their own I’d like them to be able to call me/message me but primarily call. Is there an app that they can use on the phone without a number? They will have Wi-Fi access.
@JohnLaird7
Жыл бұрын
He could still use signal. He'd just need a number to sign up.
@JohnLaird7
Жыл бұрын
There's also briar.
Maybe you should dedicate a video to speak about P2P messenger apps
signal cant be used it requires a phone to begin with .. not just for security reasons for many others too i dont have or own any phone any longer for like 20 years now i stopped using phones
You can activate e-t-e encryption an iCloud now
Было интересно посмотреть, ставлю лайк !
Спасибо за хороший обзор.Интересно было посмотреть
Anything in Switzerland 🇨🇭 should be treated as CIA shell company.
What about Status.Im?
Signal, Session, Threema, etc, are all tiny compared to Line, yet Line wasn't covered here.
This is why i have no friends, no point in even talking to people that aren’t even going to try to use more secure messaging.
My phone is hacked bad i leave it off most of the time because of that, what can i do except get a new phone every week
For important conversations i always use Digital radio (walkie-talkie) with encryption. No one can hear what we talking and even if they manage to decode it will be too late. :D :D
@alfredharrison597
Жыл бұрын
If I was sitting next to you I would be able to hear what you are saying. Or if someone was sitting next to your recipient they could also hear you. Digital Walkie is nothing more than E2E voice chat. Its basically using a normal phone but one-way two-way comms. Meaning you talk and the other person has to wait until you send and they respond, etc. Its basically vent or TS3 or (now discord) but the other person cannot interrupt you while you are talking because it records a compressed audio file with low bitrate, sends it, then deletes it. True walkies use real time on the bandwidth that everyone can use unless opsec us using a secure channel, but secure channels can still be decrypted - but real time radio channel decryption is harder than it used to be. Its probably best to just use a text-based E2EE program/app that has zero to little metadata and doesnt req. a phone number. There are a few out there, but its very hard to find good ones.
@Anachronos1
Жыл бұрын
@@alfredharrison597 That why i say: It will be too late when someone find what we talk about.
Another fantastic video
It's important to understand that Signal segregates messages from any messages that you've sent with other apps. If you stop using Signal, you have to keep it installed to see the messages sent and received with it. You cannot integrate those messages back into the main body of your non-Signal messages. Signal also stores messages in a location on the phone different from the normal one, so backup apps that send your messages to an email inbox for long-term storage and access will not work with it.
@me4654
2 жыл бұрын
Good! Why would anyone want to save a message anyway?
@JQuickDraw
2 жыл бұрын
@@me4654 It's not good, because they do not make this clear when you install the app. And many people actually do save their messages, often to an email server, but this ability is broken when you install the Signal app. As to the why, I would venture that there are nearly as many reasons as there are people who do it.
@MostlyInteresting
2 жыл бұрын
Kinda the point of apps like signal is to make messages disappear after a time. Not save them. Like a IRL conversation.
@JQuickDraw
2 жыл бұрын
@@MostlyInteresting No, the point of apps like Signal is to stop others from being able to read your communications. Automatic deletion is a possible feature with obvious utility, but not the main point. And regardless of their intentions, app developers should always make it crystal clear when their apps break existing functionality in Android.
@mynamesnotimportant6941
Жыл бұрын
it's not a bad thing to do, it does make it more private, but I do think they should make that clear when setting it up.
Y private messenger zoe community ?
It's better to communicate privately in the decentralized Utopia p2p ecosystem. It also has a lot of features.
Signal took a dirt nap a few months ago with no sms support
Can't one just buy and use a buner phone to register and then let the phone die?
You should do a piece on other popular apps and break it down like that. Even though it may be obvious, but still nice to be able to show that to people about apps like Snapchat, Instagram, tiktok, etc. etc.
@WickedMuis
2 жыл бұрын
@Naomi Brockwell ••• The joke is on you, fake Naomi account: I don't use whatsapp anymore.
How secure is textme? I use them exclusively!