I really wish they'd do a re-release of the 2nd ed box.

@The_real_Marcoman

Жыл бұрын

I recently emailed Games Workshop to suggest that they release a 90's retro box set for their 30th anniversary next year. Also that they should release an 30th anniversary box set for Battlemasters this year. 🙂

It was late 97-early 98. I just received my honorable discharge from the navy (3rd edition release). My love is also 2nd edition. And oG necromunda.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Love it! A 2nd edition game used to take us all day but still the most fun in my opinion :)

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

So true! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

You really.captured the flavor of.the time through the terrain and miniatures.... I am feeling hopelessly nostalgic. Well done!

Man, this looks like so much more fun than the current edition!

@jasonbrock2681

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know about that. It was a whole different game though and more at the platoon level. Just a different experience entirely. Some of it lovely, some of it a giant pain in the butt.

@tomwisniewski8988

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbrock2681 It wasn't as concerned with tournaments and competitive play. Newer editions certainly streamlined some things but lost a lot of flavor in the process. Moving circles around is far less interesting to me than model eye views and unpredictable vehicle mishaps.

@jasonbrock2681

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomwisniewski8988 I don't play competitively, but I've always preferred more abstract line of sight and simpler vehicle rules. So, for me, the game has made a lot of good moves forward. But it's hard to beat the character of a 2nd edition Ork army. That's for sure. I have nostalgia for 2nd edition, but in the end it frustrates me more than newer editions. That being said, I cherish 2nd edition for all the good times it provided.

@tomwisniewski8988

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbrock2681 Fore sure. Granted, I'm definitely viewing that era with rose-tinted glasses.

@Pengi_SMILES

2 жыл бұрын

the only thing in 2nd that I really don't miss is the close combat system.

Oh man, this brings back memories. I got the 2nd edition starter set as a present at the end of '97. I played the Space Marines, my uncle played as the Orks. I remember the joy in my 11 year old heart when I finally blew up the cardboard Ork Dreadnought with my missile launcher.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

And the card Dreadnought is still a playable model at official tournaments! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

@earlofsandwich7884

Жыл бұрын

I used to play Epic and needed something to represent an Elder Titan. The only thing I had to hand was a coke can. I crushed it up to the exact height of the Titan. Good times.

I love how colorful everything is. I feel like modern tables and minis often all blend together into a murky mess

The best part of all this is noticing how much fun you are actually having. Makes me wanna try this edition! Also: "NOOOOOOO" is just the best

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

2nd edition was where I got in, 3rd got me out (I'm back now). Such a fun game.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

I don't think GW ever quite recaptured the personality of the game after 2nd edition. Subsequent editions were fine but this stuff hits different. The only downside was game length. The old editions assumed much smaller model counts. I think it was 3rd edition where they geared the rules to sell more models. Those were the Dark Times.

@minimundus1712

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you are right with 3rd it lost a lot of charm.

@Pengi_SMILES

2 жыл бұрын

Third edition really seems to be when the focus seemed to be more on competitive play and the illusion of balance (as well as pushing model sales). Second edition really had bags of personality.

@minimundus1712

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pengi_SMILES In second the idea was to make your charakter as the general, you could cheese it but it so much more styl, and for big battle there was epic

@tomwisniewski8988

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pengi_SMILES Definitely. It felt like a massive overcorrection to the problems people started to have with 2nd edition which really had more to do with Codex bloat than the base rules. For whatever reason, someone at GW back then decided that no one was interested on fluff and a Codex 1/3 the size would fix things. :/

@blastvader

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pengi_SMILES I don't really see that at all. 3rd was a bit of a golden age as far as I am concerned. There was a huge amount of narrative and campaign content as well as different ways to play. In the same way as 6th edition Fantasy, 3rd 40k seemed to be a game that the design studio really loved. Also, the armies were barely any bigger than 2nd ed ones. They just reduced the power level of characters (again, something that 6th Fantasy would go on to do). I like 2nd (it's what I started with) - But it never had anything like City Fight, Armageddon, Eye of Terror etc. (the scenario packs were great, but not quite the same).

Thanks for putting this together, dude! So much gamer DNA in this for certain. Great battle!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

He certainly did it in style! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

@Patrick-lu2fy

2 жыл бұрын

@@secondeditionwargaming yes

Absalutly love this series, this was the version of my youth, though I only played necromunda. Side note I love how Ash is usually having to do all the talking cos other players are so quiet but this has the atmosphere of a game at a club over a couple beers, so much fun!!

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

2 жыл бұрын

Chris and I have been trying to get the last word over each other for almost 25 years now.

This really brings back memories of when I first got into 40k. Back in the day when Blood Angels were GW's poster boys

Rats! You guys were playing that if the weapon's penetration roll equals the armor value, the shot doesn't penetrate. But on p.80 of the rulebook, it says, "If the result is equal to or more than the armor value of the area hit, the shot has penetrated." This could have made a HUGE difference for Chris, who had at least two of his penetration rolls against the marine dreadnought nullified because he rolled equal to the location's armor.

@roguesgaminguk

Жыл бұрын

correct

The 2nd Edition assault cannon was the most brutal weapon in the game. It was basically like having a krak missile launcher with 3 sustained fire dice. Even when used against heavily armored vehicles, that many shots would eventually penetrate something and the results could be catastrophic.

"These warbuggies with meltas are the most dangerous thing on the table right now." Warbuggies: *crew gets meloned and both careen out of control and explode on turn 1*

In the grim darkness of the far future, the grass is coloured Goblin Green. The best colour.

“Child soldier pumped full of growth hormone”. I’m going to hell for laughing at that. This is great guys thank you! I’m beginning to remember some of my second edition memories. Yeah, the assault cannon was ridiculous. I remember one game where I was playing allies with a space wolf player. They had a rule where they could bring terminators as their troopers, and bring an assault cannon on every guy. He had 10 terminators wipeout our opponents’ entire army on turn one.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Ahh, Wolf guard terminators! Ridiculous! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Ash thanks you so much for putting this series together. I have such fond memories of watching the cool guys in my local Hobby Town USA playing second edition when I was early teen. I always wanted to play SO much but was too poor to afford the game system. Paper boy money could only go so far when your buying Magic the Gathering cards, second Ed DND books and Vampire the Masquerade books. Listening to your joy and excitement for the game makes it so much better! Great content TY again.

The game was new to me in 95 - it blew my mind, overcharged my imagination. The models were hard to find in Southern California. Very few places carried GW and when you found the models you wanted in stock it was such a Fantastic chase. The thrill of the hunt kept you hungry for the next unit the next character….just over a decade later of painting I won a slayer sword after winning 7 gold golden demons. Despite the excellent new models the game has never been as charming to me as it was then…..

I really love this Warhammer through the ages feature. It's a really fun narrative to imagine these two players starting Day 1 and evolving their collections through time as rules change etc.

Man, the vehicles. I had one of the Rogue Trader Imperial Guard landspeeders -- the open-design two-seater with one gun on the top and one on the front, on a stout, clear-plastic stand that could barely balance the weight of the metal. I don't think it ever saw a single phase of activation. First turn, first shooting phase, someone with a heavy weapon would blow it out of the sky from across the battlefield. Most everything IG was such junk, but still so charming. My Land Raider, on the other hand -- now _that_ was a beauty . . .

That tip about marking the cardstock terrain is genius! Genius!

@Mioum

2 жыл бұрын

For real! I want to pull out mine and base them on small MDF bases like that now! How are they attached to the base, white glue, hot glue?

This was super fun! I started with 3rd ed, but we saw our older brothers playing this and it's what got us interested in Warhammer.

The use of green screen to drop the box cover artwork in to your background is super cool. The Colour! The Action! The Massive Power Fist! Those terminators look really great in that Flesh Tearers' livery. The Cactus Trees are well worth the effort. Thanks for another fun video.

So much fun. One of my favorite moments was...in a tournament...first turn, misfired throwing my Stasis grenade and cought my entire Rattling Sniper squad. Then proceeded to get tabled...3 turns after the game ended...they finally came out of Stasis to find a 90% untouched Blood Angels army staring at them!

Still my favorite version of the game. Great battle report!

@rononel8046

2 жыл бұрын

It's nostalgic for me but 3rd edition will always be my favourite...

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah really good game! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Thanks a lot for doing this! Super fun game too. And although there are a lot of detailed rules in the core mechanics of the game, with no strategems and re-rolls it actually seemed more steamlined and easier to follow than the current edition.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

@harrymanback3475

2 жыл бұрын

@@secondeditionwargaming repeatedly poaching people's chat section is not the way to start a channel or get subs. It makes you no better than the current adult content spammers plaguing the chat channels all over KZread. If you want views earn them by creating great content.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@harrymanback3475My Apologies. Everyone else has been happy with the heads up for more 2nd ed content. I guess its not the community I thought it was. Thanks for the heads up.

@harrymanback3475

2 жыл бұрын

@@secondeditionwargaming I do not speak for "the community" this is my own opinion, and should be regarded as such.

Looking forward to more battletech games!

I was an early 2nd ed player, round my mate's house with RTB01 marines. Great to see all this stuff out on a table again. Still have some Necromundan Imperial Guard kicking about.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

The lucky 7's was the necromundan regiment wasn't it? I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Thanks for the journey down memory lane, I've played more games of this version than any other of the versions combined due to an abundance of players all starting out with me at the time.

Great to see you giys playing 2nd ed mate as I loved your HQ vids

So cool. Brings back so many memories. Ordered a new old stock WH40K 2nd edition box. :D

looking forward to the episode with Dark Millennium and hearing you go over the upgraded Psychic Phase :)

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more, including Dark millennium!

In Warhammer 40.000 Battles book you have rules for this bunkers. Thank you for this time travel sentimental trip. Bring more!

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

2 жыл бұрын

Yup! It was originally in White Dwarf, we’ve got the Datafax!

@Schalazarro

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames thats good BTW I think you forgot to roll if orks catch a fire from flamer on your left flank, before you lost tacticals SM.

So many good memories. NGL, 2nd had...issues...but man, my friends and I played the crap out of it, including making up our own missions and such-like. Very much more wargame than RPG, but still blurred those lines and at that time we were big into tabletop RPGs.

I have a smile this whole battle. Good times. Good memories.

I love the old school plays of games.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the 3rd editon playthrough. I appreciated the streamlining of 3rd from 2nd, before the mid-2000s bloat started.

Thanks so much for doing this. I was smiling the whole time. 2nd edition was so cinematic and comical at times. Keep firing from your out of control vehicle or grab the wheel?! This marks the end of an era for me when GW streamlined the rules for 3rd edition and halved the point costs of the minis to reach a wider audience and make bank off them.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Its a great edition. I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Mam, those Orks look amazing, they really changed character along the way to the newer sculpts

Yeah, super cool! I played a fair amount of second edition way back when. I hated the Space Marines and Gretchin that came with the starter box when it was new though I always liked the Orks, anyway, I really appreciate them a lot these days and have spent some time and effort acquiring the second edition box and so on. Once again, it was abviously a great game between friends!

Great fun to see these old minis out on the table.

Wonderful to watch - I got my start on 40k during second edition, but it wasn't until 3rd that I had enough miniatures to really field a proper army with more diverse units than 'whatever came in the box, plus my old Space Hulk terminators' (loved seeing them in action too), so this is nostalgic and fresh at the same time.

Super fun to watch :D This brings back so many memories. Thanks, guys.

Great tip on the cardboard terrain from the boxset, I still have mine and definitely going to give this a go.

This was the edition that I first bought. It was BRILLIANT, so much nostalgia in this video. A couple of points: GW sold those flock mats for a short period of time & that Blood Angels Captain on the back of the Wargear book was the original Captain Tycho...

That was more fun than any 9th edition battle report I've watched. Fact. Great stuff - so much silliness and random chaos - love it!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Those spiky globes are a deep cut.

plasma templates remain in place, resolved like the out of control vehicle, plasma could potentially shrink in size, expand or move.

This was the best purchase ever. Not that I purchased it at that age. Props to my old dears. For me this was the golden age of 40K. Thanks this for this vid mate! Good times x

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

I started playing 40K in 1992, right on the tail end of Rogue Trader, but before 2nd Edition (which was my most favorite edition). This battle report brought back a ton of wonderful memories. Thanks SO much for producing this video.

@Sybok51288

2 жыл бұрын

curious how did you play 1st? only rogue trader or also used the battle/vehicle manuals?

@cavemanbum

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sybok51288 I was playing with the Battle Manual and the Vehicle Manual at the time of my introduction to Warhammer 40K in 1992. But I did have the original Rogue Trader book which was excellent for use in building scenarios.

Woulda loved for that Tarantula to have twin linked conversion beamers! Can't wait for more!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've got one, just need to paint it up! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Man I played so much 2nd edition. Loving this series!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

I loved the ork battlewagon troop transporting rules. Fit as many models you could balance on them, if any fell off when you moved it then they would take a strength hit depending on the speed the vehicle was moving.

@mangoman9290

2 жыл бұрын

One tourney i went to a player had made a battlewagon using necromunda bulkheads so his 50 odd orks wouldnt fall out lol

@garethholman1050

2 жыл бұрын

@@mangoman9290 how very sneaky/orky of da git! Lol

Loved 2nd ed, would love to see you guys play through the old storm of vengance campaign pack

@GuerrillaMiniatureGames

2 жыл бұрын

If we can find a copy with the terrain!

@newtpondskipper

2 жыл бұрын

It was the best!

@alexcavanaghwrestle4815

2 жыл бұрын

I have a.pdf copy of the campaign but no terrain

I think the best thing in this edition that's been sadly lost for expediency in more modern editions is the close combat comparative weapon skill. I think that's the thing I'd bring back in so it feels more like heroes dueling than 'I hit you, you hit me' - really loving this series!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

As an avid 2nd ed player I'd have to say it does sometimes feel like Hero Hammer, so its a double edged sword. I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

@snoophogg85

2 жыл бұрын

@@secondeditionwargaming yes it's for sure a double-edged sword

My favorite edition.

I got in during the tail end of 2nd edition. This was a lit if fun to watch. Thanks!!!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Love second Ed. It’s 40k at its wakyist, me and my son play it all the time.

I played this version, probably have rosier memories as an Eldar player than the poor Tyrranid guy.... We might have been late to it but it was great fun :) The frantic modding of the Orc player, always begging us for any spare weapons/stuff, is the reason i tipped into 40K/Kill teams greenskins when Covid hit. Still works on me this box!

Omg I have just nearly finished collecting Warhammer quest 1st and have 80% of the monsters in the books tables including all the chaos gods but watching this took me straight back to my first gw experience with my 3000 point space wolf army I'm in trouble of trying to find this on eBay what a blast from the past oh my first rouge trader module was the original leman Russ with his dogs which I got on back order and it cost me £7 that wouldn't get me a paint brush now lol

I am so moved by this….❤

Brings back memories!👏👏👏

Fantastic stuff!!!! We need more of this on KZread!

39:38 - The Ork scorcher sucked. It only had a heavy flamer template. The vehicle's only use was as a rolling bomb, because when it blew up, and could injure everyone within 2D6" of the explosion. The Imperial Guard Hellhound's cannon used the same template, but you also got to roll the Artillery die, and moved the template that many inches forward.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more. One battle has 2 scorchers that actually kill something!

This flows much better than current ed., all interactions directly baked into the ruleset, no cp/strategems shenanigans, flavorful interactions with the vehicle/psyker rules. I'm sure it has it problems, too, which I'm not seeing and maybe it's my age but GW just doesn't make games like they used to.

Love the grot entourage.

Absolutely loving the battle report! 2nd edition is such a fun game to play and has so much more character than the subsequent editions! I'd love to see you guys playing it on a regular basis as it's utterly awesome to watch, despite the sheer amount of time it takes to play! Is there any chance of you putting together a Gorkamorka campaign too as it's a great fun and suitably chaotic game too!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, and Gorka Morka would be great! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Ohhhh, love the Space Hulk Terminators 😍😍😍😍😍😍 I wonder if any survive in the world with the lil antenna still attached... I felt so sad when mine all broke off😭

I was first introduced to 40k back in 2nd edition and getting to see this game was a huge nostalgia hit for me. Makes me want to try and put together a game using 2nd edition rules with my Dark Angels.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Do it, there's a massive 2nd ed community on facebook. I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Sweet memories ! Thanks 🥰

Squadron rules would help the orks with vps. VP minimization was all the rage at tourneys by tge end of 2nd ed. Thanks for sharing a great game!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Orks were amazing at VP minimization. I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

@mangoman9290

2 жыл бұрын

@@secondeditionwargaming , one stormboy zooming off into the distance denying a full squad kill was a bit annoying :)

This was fantastic Ash! Took me back to reading my Dad's issues of White Dwarf back in the day!

I started in 2nd Ed and it was my fav edition.. Took alot of time but I loved it, you got a nice halfday or so at 1500p.. It was fun.. Details.. :)

Love the calculator in the table shots. That takes me back.

I love the concept of this series. Brilliant seeing these RT armies using the black codex. Looking forward to watching the evolution. Can't wait till you reach Dark Millenium!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want to see Dark millennium in use!

Great stuff! I never played with the basic psychics as I got Dark Millennium with the main box on release over here in Oz. We only played 6x4 for 1500 and 8x4 for the odd 2k games. That room to move was all part of it. Looking forward to the full madness of your batrep with everything including the teleporting kitchen sink!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I never used the basic psychics either. I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

thank a lot, after 1st edition battle rep, a skirmish with the edition i begun 40k. I smilled all the time and i laughted about the couple of buggy :)...the assault canon was a mass destruction weapon....and you could have so many in a space wolf army....

I really appreciated the retro polystyrene cacti with cocktail sticks. The first bit of terrain I ever made.

The youth of today would crash the entire internet if we were still on 2nd edition. Vortex and virus grenades aside, it's worth noting that for most of 2nd ed you could not buy a Land Raider. There was no eBay, so we had to scour car boot sales and junk shops. One day my brother found one and it was like discovering the Holy Grail. Rocking up to our GW store with it painted up was like arriving in a DeLorean.

My friends and I still play 2nd edition rules.

oh look it's my childhood! I got the green boyz!

Great video! Beautiful game and minis

I loved the look of Rogue Trader, but it was a mess. I was a huge fan of the original Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine games though. But then 2nd edition came out, I was so excited. I actually got it for my birthday. My friends loved it and I played more games of 2nd edition than I did in any other edition. I don't think you would win the masses over with the mechanics today, but it is a fun skirmish game with a lot of color and some humor. I still have my stuff along with Space Marine, Ork, Eldar, and Tyranid armies.

I demand that you play more 2nd Ed. Just turn this into a 2nd Ed channel.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Easy fella, I don't want any more competition! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Gosh this brings back memories. 😂

Ash, this is maybe the greatest thing I’ve ever seen on KZread.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Mostly agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Forgot the minus one for shooting fast moving targets. Great to see 2ed getting some love I'm playing it again instead of 9th ed.

My first 40k exposure was on the tail end of 2nd ed, I was at a gaming store playing games of magic and i was attracted to the minis so between a round of games I asked the guys playing if i could just observe their game. All I remember was some eldar scouts killing i think the driver of a space marine bike only for it to go out of control and smash into them. It would be a few months later when i would walk into a GW store and they were demoing 3rd edition when I first started haha

i really hope these vehicle rules are what we can expect from Necromunda Ash Wastes

Those were the best days. 👌

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Loved it ............ OK time to hit the bitz box and old fig cases .....NEW PROJECT!!!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Do it! there's a massive 2nd ed community on facebook. I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

This brings back many fond memories!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Omg that war buggy was pasted lol. Nice batrep... What memories do you bring to us... Keep it up Ash

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, open crewed vehicles are so vulnerable. I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

2nd edition is so much fun to watch, so much character and wild randomness. I can't watch modern edition games, just rolling buckets of dice and removing models by the handful.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

@Dubstyles84

2 жыл бұрын

@@secondeditionwargaming I've watched some of your videos, good stuff!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dubstyles84 Thanks, glad you liked it!

Thanks for this!

I love how wild and wacky this is. I don't think it is any better than the current 40k which is a lot more serious, both have their appeals. I love experiencing this via this format though as there is no way I am ever going to be able to play these old editions of warhammer.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

OMG! I want this box so bad!!!! I wish they would re-release this box :( I'd totally buy it and play this version of 40k all day! Thanks!!!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea for a limited release! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!

Now this is some class content

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I've posted a few 2nd ed bat reps if you want more!