Fun fact: that random mention of Calth is the inspiration for the word bearers attacking it in the later horus heresy fiction. Source: me, the less famous co-author of the original Word Bearers Index Astartes article.

@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745

2 жыл бұрын

Wait what

@theonlyenicfanever5346

2 жыл бұрын

No way…

@EungsuLee

2 жыл бұрын

Wait what

@MasterShake9000

2 жыл бұрын

@@theonlyenicfanever5346 Way! I was looking for a way to explain why the Word Bearers weren’t involved with the Siege of Terra in the original Heresy lore. I knew the Ultramarines weren’t either, so I scoured the Ultramarines codex for ideas. When I saw the bit about Calth, it seemed like a natural way to connect the two legions in a massive war that pinned them both in Ultramar.

@Joshywoshyngton

2 жыл бұрын

@@MasterShake9000 This is the best thing I could have read, thank you

A friend of mine (he was 'that' guy) converted his entire 5000pt marine army to be legion of the damned, and then couldn't figure out why nobody wanted to play him. The paintjob on all those minis was pretty good, but he was still That Guy.

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

I did something similar when someone told me that if I gave my Ultramarines white helmets they would become veteran squads. Back when veteran squad ment +1 WS, BS and LD.

@1985slipstream

2 жыл бұрын

Legion of the damned were tougher than primaris marines are now

@SymbioteMullet

2 жыл бұрын

@@1985slipstream having played him back in the day, i am well aware of the boost it gave!

"and whose primarch literally wrote the book on how to do an Astartes good" lol

@SymbioteMullet

2 жыл бұрын

We need a t-shirt in the style of a ww1 "i want you" recruitment poster, but it's bobby g and the text is "Do astartes good"

@asteroidrules

2 жыл бұрын

Space book says this is good.

"... something boring like a tactical advantage over your enemies" why can't I stop laughing at this?

Yes! Only codex I'm really looking forward to now is the video on normal imperial guard (catachan was nice, but a supplement without the base book is a bit odd). And of course, the cursed 2nd expansion set review we got teased with a while back

@GazpachoTabletop

2 жыл бұрын

I loved that catachan codex so much!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

We use a few house rules to make it a little more flexible. Like allowing Captain/Colonel upgrades for the rough rider command sections. And horse mounts for commissars and psykers!

The 1989 Space Marine rulebook has a page-sized (so large for the time) piece of fluff about the opening stages of a battle between the Ultramarines and the Word Bearers during the Horus Heresy. The Word Bearers are described as having deployed in full strength (though that's referred to as the full chapter being on the field, as back in 1989 they were not yet commonly referred to as legions, despite them being much larger than 1,000 strong chapters during the Heresy) and the Ultramarines being implied to be deployed in a similar way. Though the choice of battlefield does not appear to be described this could be a starting point for what became the Battle of Calth. It's odd that this bit of lore was forgotten about by the time Codex Ultramarines was released in 1995. Thanks for all the content you've put out this year and I look forward to whatever you have for us in 2022! I hope it proves to be a great year for you both. 😀

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

I think they tried a clean slate with 2nd edition because Rogue Trader was..... well it was Rogue Trader. Epic Space Marine basically being a spin off of RT. Slowly but surely bits of it have crept back into the lore. Remember the official stance is still everything I cannon but it's not necessarily true

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

A large amount of the characters in the Horus Heresy novels can be found in the original Adeptus titanicus rule book!

Ah my 1st codex. My friend got eldar. The power difference was staggering.

@Jimmynuts1

2 жыл бұрын

Eldar Exarchs with the their skills/powers was so nuts! Herohammer time

@sneakyking

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jimmynuts1 yup. Swooping hawk. Naked apart from cortex grenade. Bye bye whatever target the eldar hated.

@theshuttingdowns

2 жыл бұрын

@@sneakyking Howling banshee exarch with web of skulls and leap 14" move with a s6 weapon and opponent can't roll any combat dice in the first turn!

@majingazetto5147

2 жыл бұрын

I played Eldar back then, but I was always to scared to throw my troops into direct confrontation with Space Marines. Some years later I realized, I could have stomped most Space Marine units with shuriken weapons alone. 2nd Ed was quite unbalanced back then. 🤯

@sneakyking

2 жыл бұрын

@@theshuttingdowns pls no

The legion of them damned section is mint. The iconography/chapter marking sections used to be amazing

The colour sections of older codexes or army books are always nice to see. Even more if they show conversions (both made or how to make them)

That takes me back - which has been the theme for the past couple of days since I found your channel and have been going through Codex Compliant videos whenever I've had the time, feeling all nostalgic. 2nd Ed was my gateway to 40k - I'd had a Space Hulk box earlier, but it was during 2nd that a GW store opened up here in Sydney and I wandered in to ask "Is Space Hulk still a thing?" and discovered the game it'd spun off from. Can't think what happened to my old 2nd Ed codices, I'm sure I didn't just throw them out because they're books, you can't throw out books - probably offloaded them to a second-hand bookstore after 3rd Ed came out; I've still got all my 3rd books, that was totally my era of 40k, with my Dark Eldar, my Craftworld army that I never actually managed to field because I just painted one of each aspect warrior then moved on to the next one, my Chaos army that, well, my Chaos champion, I did honestly mean to paint an army for her eventually (but she's canon!), and my female Space Marines, look gimme a break I was young and thought I was *so* original okay? Anyway, good times, and you two have really brought me back there after a long stretch of 40k being 'those books on the shelf over there', so I just have to say thanks.

I love those stupidly detailed descriptions of all the emblems and icons and symbols Space Marines wear. I’ve been using them on Primaris models, and they look great on the bigger marines!

I like that you could take Eldar as a support for Ultramarines, great video guys!

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

Veteran marine squad in overwatch providing covering fire for your banshees, what a time to be alive.

@WarhammerGeek

2 жыл бұрын

Imperial Guard could have Eldar support as well. 2nd edition was generous with its rules for fielding allies.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

If an Ork army has blood axe boyz then they can use captured Imperial guard and space marine vehicles and support weapons. Provided they are painted blood axe colours, of course.

I loved the kind of super pedantic iconography stuff they used to put it. Very creative.

2nd editions kinda weird melee rules is an understatement. Whatching you friends face as Jain Zarr charges about 20 inches, then proceeds to slaughter most of his Ork army on the first turn is a memory that'll stay with me forever.

@AbenZin1

2 жыл бұрын

If they even survived the Virus Outbreak strategy card!

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

@@AbenZin1 I never actually seen that one. I was aware that marines and aspect warrior or better eldar where basically immune to gas and biological weapons though. My personal favourite was always the trusty vortex grenade.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@AbenZin1 Yes horrific. One of the games designers later advised to remove it from the deck.

Cc ultramarines was the actual name of my notification lmao

This video mentions Marnius Calgar and NOT his writing desk made from a dinosaur! How are we going to see the return of the Dino desk unless we keep reminding people about the Dino desk?! Calgar has a Dino desk! Why? How? We don’t know! More Dino desk research must be done! I am super serial you guys

@alexhamilton6188

2 жыл бұрын

And Rogue Traders completly different Ultra Marine back story to 2nd ed.

@triangulan

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexhamilton6188 n all the "colour" named chapters were successors to the Rainbow Warriors. And the Ultramarines had a half-eldar senior officer... can't remember exactly what , was he a librarian or something?

@therealwinston3634

2 жыл бұрын

@@triangulan yes, he was a librarian and used to be an Astropath, or something like this (might explain why they can Ally with Eldar in second edition)

@therealwinston3634

2 жыл бұрын

read/heard once, that that dino was an early Tyranid

@AnIdiotsLantern

2 жыл бұрын

@@triangulan see when people get upset about female space marines or a black ultramarine as “breaking the lore,” I just remember they once had humans and Aeldari able to interbreed and apparently their offspring were compatible with geneseed. This is against so many current rules of the lore it’s really mind blowing. And they just quietly did away with it.

Side note on one of those Ork weapons that takes up an entire page to figure out: one of them rolls scatter dice using a blast template, then rolls to wound/saves/etc. Then it rolls the scatter dice again. It keeps going until you roll a misfire. While the chances are small, you could hypothetically kill every model on the table the first turn with one shot.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds suspiciously like the hop splat gun.

So, let me get this straight, if you owned Codex: Ultramarines, then by default you also owned Codex: White Scars, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard?

@Theigzorn

2 жыл бұрын

yes all exept space wolves and the angels (aka blood/ dark) was coverd with codex.

@nakenmil

2 жыл бұрын

ULTRA SUPREMACY BAY-BEEEE

@mikehax

2 жыл бұрын

That’s value.

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

@@Theigzorn even then wasn't Angels of Death the first ever supplement codex? You still needed Codex Ultramarines to use it. I also remember 2nd edition Space Wolves being ridiculously OP against anything that wasn't a pure aspect warrior eldar army.

@1985slipstream

2 жыл бұрын

@@gerardmontgomery280 Yes the wolves were beyond beardy with the combinations othey could take. Beaten only usually by massed firepower armies.

I was lucky enough to stumble upon your channel about a week ago, and I've really been enjoying these Codex Compliant videos :D I also really like the Objective Model Reviews, that awful Bigfoot reality show you took a gander at, as well as that WH40K VHS with the power rangers level of costume design and the immortal phrase _"The Hole Weakens"..._ x3 Thank you for keeping me thoroughly entertained, edified and educated this week!

I fondly remember my mate owning this Codex, and he played Nova Marines, because the chapter colors reminded him of Blackburn Rovers. Who he was a big fan of. I today wonder if GW copied many of the English football team's colors? With Eric Cantona in mind he could as well be a Blood Angels with he's jet pack tactics to a fans face. 😂

@provvidenza7296

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought Ultramarines wore the colours of Chelsea FC (royal blue with red and yellow trim), and assumed GW did use football team colours as inspiration for SM chapter colours.

@MakCurrel

2 жыл бұрын

@@provvidenza7296 it is very likely that they did. 😁

@AbenZin1

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the Howling Griffons were originally featured in a White Dwarf and based on the painter's footy team!

@TheSmart-CasualGamer

2 жыл бұрын

This reminds of me an old White Dwarf from 1999 where this guy painted his Bretonnians in the colour of Partick Thistle.

@MakCurrel

2 жыл бұрын

It must be a thing. I have never gotten it confirmed, that some color sceems are inspired by sport teams. 😅

Thinking back to my early days of 40K, the default chapter for the studio army and army was centred mostly around the Blood Angel; the Ultramarines only hit the spot light toward the end of 2nd edition.

@AbenZin1

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Or at least this is the line I use to justify my 25 years of Ultramarine fanboying...

Buhahhaha I love this!! I paint all my 9th edition Ultramarines like they're in 2nd edition. Primaris with yellow shoulder pads and red bolters. The only thing I'm missing is Goblin Green bases..

I first dipped my toes into the hobby in late 7th edition and it is really cool and crazy to see where things came from and how things used to be! Thanks a bunch for your channel and videos! ~Cheers!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Feel free to get more insights from the 2nd ed videos I've posted! They're more rules orientated, but might hit the spot!

Imagine Roboute Guilliman made a new codex every 2 years and charge you £40-$50 each time from 30k all the way to 40k

Keep the 2nd ED stuff pumping guys It’s great too see people coming back to the golden edition 😊

Merry flippin new year,. Thanks guys, blood love this series!

Great video as always. I enjoy reading through that particular codex. Like you said, it’s so full of information on everything Ultramarine/space marines. If you ever felt like doing an entire chapter “by the book”… it’s all right there for you.

Oh no, the Primarch Domain Controller has frozen! Call the techies, they need to ... Reboot Guilliman! (C'mon, I can't be the only one who says "reboot guillimaaan" out loud when they restart a server. Right?)

This was a brilliant video, loved the Bobby G skit and the "yes I am going to paint a tank" lol Happy New year :-D

Thanks for this year's stuff and all the rest--you guys are basically the only way I have of knowing what goes on in 40k these days!

I dont know why but it bothers me that Stubbers have become part of current Space Marine equipment, they've always been around but I've assumed they were sub standard so given to the guard/knights not marines.

@AbenZin1

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! Stubbers are just modern heavy machine guns- their rounds don't even explode inside the target! What's the point of being a Space Marine if you can't make your enemies literally explode?

@Retrosicotte

2 жыл бұрын

Same, its just weird. And they've gone in HARD on them too. They just look so flimsy and out of place.

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

Back in the day Stubbers and Autoguns where only for the more primitive of guard regiments or Necromunda gangers.

@ratspike8017

2 жыл бұрын

@@gerardmontgomery280 That made me smile... used to play quite a bit of Necromunda and we used to snigger at folk who blew their points allowance on las-canons, etc. When everything is T3 with little armour the heavy stubber is king!

@nekrataali

2 жыл бұрын

I could see Chaos renegades using stubbers when they have limited access to heavy bolters and autocannons....but it makes zero sense for loyalists.

Now the only marines left to do is Angels of Death and Chaos Space Marines, then you officially got the second Ed marines done

Happy New Year, and thanks for a bunch of fun and informative videos over 2021.

Another lovely blast from the past! And happy new year to you!

Thanks, I needed that. And thanks for all the great videos throughout the year. You two are great!

A happy New Years to you all. And. Wib? That 3rd edition Codex Space Marines cover is indeed a nod to the Rogue Trader cover art.

"Talkie Toaster..." I understood that smegging reference.

@AbenZin1

2 жыл бұрын

Sooo.... you want some toast?

Yeah, that Birdemic song is the most earwormy thing that ever happened

@TheTrelliz

2 жыл бұрын

Would you like to buy some slrpnls?

Thank you for the smiles in a very dark time, wishing you a happy new year.

It's a Christmas miracle! I love this series, great job yall!

As someone who is a relatively new 40k fan, these codex compliants have been invaluable in understanding where the game and lore comes from. There's so little explanation out there about Warhammer that isn't about the absolute newest stuff. Happy new year!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

If the older stuff interests you, feel free to check out the 2nd ed stuff on my channel. Feedback always welcome!

Laughing at the opening creates a paradox, where they intended to not make a joke linking it the Christmas but did, where this video is both not and is related to Christmas

I'm still disappointed that this codex updated the Rhino datafax stopping Dreadnaughts riding in them.

@WarhammerGeek

2 жыл бұрын

Wait they could ride in a Rhino? That's a pretty funny mental image.

@kimarous

2 жыл бұрын

@@WarhammerGeek METAL BAWKES IN METAL BAWKES!

@nekrataali

2 жыл бұрын

OH SHIT LMAO I totally forgot about that. I never played 2nd. but a bunch of the guys at my shop did. One of the grogs was telling me about a tournament when players had concealed army lists, he had his dreadnought in a rhino. Some poor sod blew the rhino up with krak grenades, then found out he used a very expensive unit just to blow up a ~50 point transport. That unit was then eaten alive by the dreadnought who made it out of the blast unscathed. It was heavy flamer + auto-cannon to the face followed by robot power fisting. 😄

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

I smell the wiff of Rogue Trader!

What a wonderful birthday gift (NYE), always love a good codex compliant. Merry Crimble and a happy new year!

Loved this video! I was an Ultramarine player back in 2nd ed. Persoanally, one of my favouirte things that this iteration of Ultramarines could do was upgrade any squad's sergent to a Vetran sergant, then give him Terminator armour. A scout squad led by a Terminator with lightning claws was always hilarous.

That Red Dwarf reference at 10:23 made me unusually happy.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone want any toast?

Happy New year and thanks for all the videos

My gaming club have taken up 2ed again thanks to your videos, so if you are ever in the Copenhagen area, here is an open challenge to stop by and have some retro fun.

Hope you two had a lovely Christmas. All the best for 2022!

I really enjoy the way the helmets look in the illustrations and 2nd edition models. They all look like constipated fish

This brings back some really good (if weird) memories from the 90s. A friend of mine (who played Ultramarines) insisted on calling the UM's homeworld MacReggae, and pronouncing the Primarch's name in an exaggerated West-Indies accent. Of course we retaliated by maintaining that Captain Convictus [sic] should be confined to the stockades indefinitely, Ancient Helveticus should cease his constant yodeling, and scouts should wash their own kilts. [Note to self: as I have the bits, get to kitbashing those kilt-wearing scouts.] "Ach aye lassie and laddie, Irie."

happy new year, and thanks for all the great content! (p.s. who knew that the jazz jackrabbit score had such a bop? not me)

A new Snipe and Wib video on Retro 40k? Awesome New Years gift! 😎

@jmagowan12

2 жыл бұрын

Waaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!

These literally make my day when you upload them!

The best part about C: Ultras for me was that it was essentially just an expanded gear list for C: Chaos. Between the two of them you could make any sort of chapter, even if you paid a bit extra for ultra stuff sometimes (most chaos stuff was better anyway). Gave a whole "the old stuff was the good stuff" feel to the wh40k universe for me in my youth. Between the two of them you had a pretty massive allies list, so you could cherry pick stuff, or just buy stuff you liked the look of, and retool your army list to include it somehow.

Always nice to see these videos, also your guys' 2nd ed. videos are a treat. Takes me back to when I first started just before 3rd ed. dropped. Look forward to seeing more of these.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Aye, they're great! Feel free to get more nostalgia from the 2nd ed videos on my channel! They're more rules orientated, but might hit the spot!

Another great video you two! Happy New year and look forward to more in 2022!

I heartily approve of the Jazz Jackrabbit christmas outro

Man I'd LOVE to see a codex compliant dedicated to Legion of the Damned. That would be epic

Because of my distain for space marines, I like the old lore where the Ultramarines legion was a traitor legion. Those old color pictures are very nice, though. I have the 2nd edition Imperial Guard codex, and it also has a bunch of details on campaign badges, section badges, and vehicle badges. It's a nice touch that I wish GW would bring back.

The greatest christmas video we could get is a video that has no relevance to christmas

Tech marines in terminator armour is still a thing in Horus Heresy, with fun rad grenades (-1 to toughness)

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! The rad grenades in 2nd have a 1 to 3" template and a D6+D4 strength. I'll try and get them in a bat rep soon!

Here's 2022 to you, Snipe and Wib!

10:22 *Grimdark voice:* _Ah, so you're a waffle man?_ Also, I adore the little Boba Fett mounted on Bulbasaur in the background. 😁

Clearly this is one of the best Ultramarine codexes, it didn't have Cato Sicarius in it!

YEEEEEEEESSSSS. I would like to apologize if this message would be considered like one of the chuds. But I have been paying tribute to the Green Fairy all night, I just wanted to make sure y’all know that I highly enjoy y’all’s videos that you put out. I am probably going to have to rewatch this one but even in the first couple of seconds on my first watch I know it will be a good watch. Hope y’all had a great New Years.

I’ve been waiting for this for a looooonnngggg time!

Happy new year, my favourite wholesome 40k couple. :D

Snipe and Wib the gift that keeps on giving

I spent hours pouring over that Codex in Middle School and High School. My friends and I played 2nd edition during 2nd and 3rd edition. I had a Home Brew Chapter called Dark Phoenix . They were red with black flames. I wanted to play Legion of the Damned after seeing them in the painting guide, but when it seemed like you couldn't I just inverted the colors.

Two minutes in and thank you for mentioning that. Ultras beem representing for a long time. I remember reading that book after the Angels of Death codex and having a "ohhh I get it now" moment. Been a fan of space Romans ever since. Also, tyranids in 2nd Ed. Loved the book...couldn't even hope to buy models to field and army 😆 Then 3rd Ed and I was Dark Eldaring it up!

I remember back in the day, in certain corners of the internet, this codex was still cherished.

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

It still is! My go-to codex even if the models used are a different colour! There's a 1500pts bat rep coming on my channel soon!

You sneaky folks, getting this one literally on the last day of the year. Appreciate it.

Amazing video, amazing year of content !

There is only ONE Grandfather! And that is Grandaddy Nurgle

I can't believe they named an ultramarine after a font and it's not times new roman, absolutely devestated.

@gerardmontgomery280

2 жыл бұрын

I think people have missed this frankly amazing pun. Well played mate, well played.

Aw what a good opportunity this would have been to mention the drunk Christmas Marine minis! But was usual great video regardless, happy New Year's!

@Awoken_Remmuz

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair they already mention those marines before as part of there 10 weird things trilogy of videos.

The Eldar Codex of same era had rules for Exodites..😁 Eldar with Dinosaurs for Snipe!!

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I made some using shining spear, guardian and cold one parts!

Yep, I remember when Space Marines didn't need an entirely new codex every 18 months.

*Sings* Ultramarines live longer with Calgar! Thank you for the nod, I guessed this codex was coming and thought it was a useful bit.

Another great video, love all the tongue in cheek comments!! Keep up the great work.

Love the shout out to Birdemic! Another amazing video.

Ultramarines were my first ever models and army and this was my first codex, I wish I still had the codex. I read the entire thing but was completly lost as a 12 year old who hadn't read any lore before and is not english native speaking. I did wonder though if ancient helveticus name was by chance or by some design. Since Helvete is the swedish word for hell

@KrullMaestaren

2 жыл бұрын

Those old colors were really nice, sad that they became so completely blue over the years... the red and the yellow, occasional warning stripes, flames and other details :)

Have a good -22! You guys are great.

Your videos are lovely, hits me right in the nostalgia department! 🤓

@secondeditionwargaming

2 жыл бұрын

Aye, they're awesome. Feel free to get more nostalgia from my 2nd ed videos! They're more rules orientated, but might hit the spot.

There's a Batman head in the M of Compliant and I can't unsee it now.

New Codex Compliant *Generates Serotonin*

I think that 'oppps, we missed the Heresy' background was justification for them being one of the largest intact Chapters post-Heresy, thereby also justifying why the Ultramarine organisation was 'default'.

Brilliant episode as ever!

Happy New Years!

Captain Titus got taken away at the end of Space Marine by the Inquisition, got demoted to Lieutenant and returned as a Primaris Ultra Marine by Space Marine 2.

Yews just made my new year.

Yeah. Ultramarines. Y’all are so cool

Bless you both

My brain has connected Bobby G standing around a bit during the Heresy has connected with Father Ted and he's Dougal now. That's cast iron, black belt, weapons grade Lore now.

Happy New Year!

Bulba-Fett in the beginning is adorable.

Wow, the memories!

All that sunburst yellow. So glorious to look at but so difficult to paint well 😅

Woop new upload!! Love it