I'm sold! I'm defo getting a Dyson for Christmas...

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

hahahah! I should have put an Amazon link for them in the description! Wait.... Sorted: amzn.to/33tMxpk

@glennoc8585

4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry buy from bigw..

@dskordo

4 жыл бұрын

Hilarious. And yes....I'm buying one too (the Dyson)

@thegreyman6500

4 жыл бұрын

Lol😂😂😂

You had me sold on the Wahoo bike after 30 seconds.

Sleigh bells ring are you listening? In the lab, snow is glistening A beautiful sight Wahoo are happy tonight Walking in a winter-training wonderland

And regarding the polystyrene snow, that’s one thing I liked with the KICKR BIKE: packaging was mostly cardboard: cleaner and more environmentally friendly

@lustyd

4 жыл бұрын

Not really. Carboard would need to be used many times to justify the emmissions to create it while their usual styrofome packaging has very little impact aside from plastic waste. Plastic waste can be, and in many countries is recycled so in this instance the plastic most definitely wins.

@GPLama - i got a tacx neo smart trainer on 10/6/2022. my version had a different crank arm (3 holes of different crank lengths like the wahoo ) and it had different packaging, it looked like polystyrene but it was sort of ironed, so it didn't break up.

Neobike transition :D

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Me: Hey Von, how's this mock up 'onboarding video'?... Von: Do a super corny transition between shots. Me: Hold my beer.....

You nailed it Shane. I think the unpacking and assembly process puts you in the mood to experience the product (eg Apple devices). Your start would put me off the bike before I even got on it.

Only half way through watching and can't help to think the Wahoo bike is going to win the battle of the bikes and this is coming from a Tacx user.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

The one-up Tacx have is supply. Looking at the technology and whole process there is a clear leader already.

@thepatternforms859

2 жыл бұрын

wahoo build quality is bad and they break

Definitely going to get one but I'm thinking of attaching proper wheels so I can ride it on roads

Neo bike Transition is sooo soothing!

Thanks for the building video, I would not have managed to install the quick release levers without it

Nice Tacx Neo Snow Bike review!

Great upload Shane, ordered one and looking forward to it arriving and having a snow fall in the garage!

Lol this is also a nice video about the Dyson capability and usefulness :D

Very good review - thx. Just got mine. Much better packed now and the solution for the pedals is much better

@_trust9994

2 жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate more into that? I will be getting mine in few days. What did they change that what we see in this video?

@joscha3361

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, sorry, didn‘t see the question. My packaging was done very well. So no vaccum needed. The Pedal Fixation also changed. There are 3 threads to achieve the 3 different lengths. And it is easy to implement and fits well. So far I did 20+ rides and it is a lot of fun. The USB power is not enough to power up and IPAD Pro. But an Iphone. Noise is super low. I‘m very happy with the bike. My daughter is used to do the rides on a roll but after she tried the TACX she loved it.

Taking off protective plastic cling wrap. Sooooo goood, removing polystrene. The wooorst!

I’m sold. That dyson vacuum is amazing. Can you please do a review on that next!? 😂 Also 5:58 = greatest part of the video.

Good to see Tacx has adopted Wahoo's method of attaching pedals. Three options on a "fan" style crank now. Not shown in this video, but I recently acquired on and it has the new cranks.

I’ve had a TACX before and the instructions manuals and style are what I had previously. Nothing has changed there then!!! I have a Dyson already btw!

One of these just arrived today, I'll let you know if anything has changed since your video here! really appreciate the time you took to put this together, hopefully will save me some headaches in a while!

@justjase1576

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't watched all of your videos yet as I just found your channel, but the crank is different now, has 3 x holes similar to the Wahoo instead of the washers idea. I was hoping I would get that model. So far, pretty happy with it, hopefully nothing breaks! I cannot believe how quiet and smooth it is. Its soooo quiet. You can also choose 10 tooth sprocket now and 12 speed gearing.

The difference in the level of engineering between this and the Wahoo bike is stunning, its almost as if one team was building a top tier bicycle simulator, and the other team was trying to figure out how to fit their existing trainer into some sort of a platform that will function "good enough".

@glennoc8585

4 жыл бұрын

Tacx always seem to be over built and i like that tbh. I've only tried the static smart trainer at the tdu village and that looked and felt solid.

@BigChiefWiggles

4 жыл бұрын

@@glennoc8585 I think you are confusing overbuilt and overly complex...

@mg878

4 жыл бұрын

which is which?

@BigChiefWiggles

4 жыл бұрын

@@mg878 It should be obvious but the Wahoo bike seems to be a proper design and the NEO seems like an "afterthought" of a frame to hold the NEO trainer...

@mg878

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigChiefWiggles thanks, it wasn't obvious because I didn't have time to watch the entire video

"happy days pumping water" :D

i would just like to say thank u for slowing the video on making a bike stand

My issue with assembly came down to the seat adjustability, did not move fore and aft smoothly which was annoying. I did not have the foam break so that was nice for me :-) Crank length is annoying to assemble as you found out. With a bit over 1000 (virtual?) mi on the bike I quite like it. Love the on the fly adjustments of the handle bars up/down/fore/aft to stretch out the body a bit from being on the bike for a while to stay fresh.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Other user experiences are great additions to my take on things. I'm looking forward to the next few videos after a few good kms on the bike. Looks like you'll have me covered for distance though! Nice work!

I've got a Tax Flux here at home, no need for a smart bike, but after this video I'm gonna buy the wahoo kickr bike :)

Agreed that the packaging is old skool and putting it together is far from optimal. Especially for such a high end and expensive product. But on the whole product use this is just the first and (arguably) soon forgotten part. I mean lots of people still buy at Ikea? What really matters is the quality of the bike in use. Very much looking forward to that part of the review.

GPSheepy 😂😂😂😂 Great stuff.

i'll be honest, after watching this video i am definitely not sold on this unit. I realize and the kickr bike will take a bit to assemble but how does one company make it difficult while another has an app to show assembly. You would think with a delay of a year since first announced some things could have been improved on. IMO

Oh God those christmasbells. I laughted quite hard😅

I really wanted one of these...last year when they weere saying it would only be two weeks...eventually bought a trainer.

After a few years you would have expected Tacx to have designed this better. Same size bolts would be a no brainer. Better crank length design, quick release levers too long? and won’t ever buy one from a company using that packaging. Thought the Dutch were environmentally conscious? Love GP Sheepy, can see a future spin off show here!

Very many useful tips. Thank you very much. Is it possible to remove the fans without the pad holder? And,, there are important losses when driving with no power connection? Thanks a lot!

You should always keep the can of compressed air upright especially when working with electrical components to prevent liquid from coming out. You could see a bit come out when you were using yours. Everything's probably fine in this case but it should be noted :)

So the wahoo kickr is the way to go?

Looks like it was dropped on the corner. Maybe thats why the courier did not want to deliver

Hmm 🤔, IMOP the Tacx Neo 2 is superior against the Wahoo kicker 2018, road feel, technical, maintenance and reliability wise. Thats what I have experienced with the two products myself. But with the smart bike, I think it’s most likely the other way around! Wahoo made his home work with this product, still missing the road feel and we don’t know yet about reliability maintenance etc... yet, but it looks so much better. Let’s see how the Tacx smart bike is performing in the other tests, looking forward to that! 🤨 And BTW GP Lama 🦙, Chris Pritchard would be proud of your transitions!!! 😂😂😂

The Kickr bike looks better, incorporates the climb, more crank length adjustment etc, no contest.

Try taking the pedal adapters out, I greased them and then wanted to change and had an interesting time getting them out. Interested in power output as my unit, which needed to be returned, felt as it was under reporting although DC Rainmaker said was good. Feel of the bike pedaling was smooth however leave that you Lama for your next installments 😉

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments as an owner. I really appreciate people sharing their experiences. I have concerns about the pedal plugs being too soft for the purpose of power measurement from the pedal. I assume they believe people will use standard pedals where the flex is a non issue.

@kev1010100

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama indeed threaded one as really soft however Tacx will replace but will be a common issue when they start sending out large numbers of these units. Although will it stop me using it? Nope as smooth ride compared to the work horse of my Atom however not a refined feel compared to the Neo bike.

.........Neo Bike Transition...................

What I would like to know about is how service issues will be handled with these full bike trainers? i.e. Say the main resistance unit has an issue. Do you have to pay to have the whole unit shipped out? If so are shipping cost handled if you are still within warranty? What's the turn around time? Will you run into custom issues? How will repairs be handled when outside of warranty? In the case of this Neo could they not have designed it so the resistance unit could be fully swapped out? I'm thinking along the lines of future upgradability or electronic replacement here. Seems a shame that a perfectly good frame could potentially go to waste down the road...

When is the dyson review?

@DeKempster

4 жыл бұрын

It almost cost as much as the bike.

@glennoc8585

4 жыл бұрын

Hmmm Dyson × bigw = dusgruntled consumer. I've said too much bye!

as a neo "fan boy" its a super easy choise , i would buy the wahoo bike if i had the spare money

After watching this twice I'm now going to get a Dyson Vacuum cleaner.

Hands up, who else didn't notice the beer til he mentioned it?

Thanks a lot for your instructive video!! I got a question. When i stop pedaling the wheel (obviously) slows down but towards the end it makes some strange noises. Its not just smooth. When pedaling its totally smooth. I find that weird. Does this have to do with the slowing down mechanism?

@gplama

9 ай бұрын

Likely normal operation. If you want to confirm, take a video of it happening and submit it over to Garmin/Tacx support.

my unboxing and setup was similar and confusing. unfortunately the one i assembled didnt come with anything about the different crank lengths, so i was REALLY confused about that. my initial impressions of the bike smart is this is very much a Rev1 model. there are lots of tweaks and changes that need to be made to make this thing something i would personally buy and be happy with.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. It's good to hear I'm not alone on this one. I'm hoping when I get to ride the bike this process is a distant memory.

I can't believe they packaged that in polystyrene instead of a high density foam. Would protect it better and wouldn't be such a horrific mess. Not to mention the foam is reusable if you need to repackage it for whatever reason oh, you said that. guess that's what i get for commenting before the video's over lol

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Other foam is great sound insulation too (I use it all the time in the Lama Lab).

@cferingacraigferinga

4 жыл бұрын

What has Tacx said about packaging/shipping ... all that stuff on the $3500 piece of kit?

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

@@cferingacraigferinga No word. I know they were interested in how it'd end up getting shipped all the way over here. Well.... the results are in. It also imploded for TitaniumGeek (UK based).

@lustyd

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama The Neo 2 they sent me had the same issue with the poly at the bottom in many pieces and the unit damaged. They are having comms issues at the mo while integrating with Garmin so that may be why no word. Lots of my mails went to a black hole in Olathe.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

@@lustyd Hmmm. Keep me (and everyone) posted on the outcomes here in the comments.

Merci Shane pour tout tes video tu et le wikipedia du cycling indoor. Dommage que sa ne soit pas en Français. Salutation de la Suisse.Jacques

Christmas came early :D

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed. The GoPro Hero 8 pre-order just landed too. It's all happening this week.

@stuartcampbell-lee2766

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama Be good to know what you think of the durability of the displays being used on these units. from experience, those types of digital displays tend to be prone to issues on other types of equipment I've had. A reebok stationary bike as an example (circa 2008). Almost worth ordering a spare to future proof against potential issues as they could be difficult to obtain at a later date

Wahoo Bike already in the lead - We're going to buy one of these as we are sick of moving our bikes on & off the Kickr. But not have anything below a 170mm crank length means it's completely off the table as a choice & their 'solution' doesn't effectively have the capacity to accommodate a 165mm. Given that along with the actual design (I mean the lever not clearing the frame on the seat-tube is an engineering sin) - its just crap for the $$ in comparison.

hi shane, will be interesting to see if those pedal adapters affect power readings on pedal based power meters, i asked garmin about using pedal adapters for my vector 3s, as i have a wide q factor, they did not recommend it at all, and said it could affect readings.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Hmmm...... I have a feeling they will. Stay tuned.

So satisfying watching something being built. HOW IS IT MADE lamma edition

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

I do have a ton of footage of them being assembled in the factory. Maybe that should have been Part 0 of the series.

@luismedeiros7139

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama I would love that.

I can clearly tell you favor wahoos smart bike 👌 😆

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

The less vacuuming the better.

Off topic but would you still recommend the Kickr Climb? Thank you for the great content.

@OutdoorsJustin

4 жыл бұрын

Neo Bike Transition.... Also, I am currently on a kickr Core and would just like the extra immersion that you would get on Zwift.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

It adds to the experience if you're riding in SIM mode a lot. It's one of those things that you don't really need, but want if it's taken away.

@OutdoorsJustin

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama Excellent. Thanks for the response.

Question about Garmin varia. After you mentioned wahoo radar support I went and purchased one. I love it. Question is.. how do I check if I have the latest firmware on my Garmin radar without a Gemini head unit as I run it with my Wahoo head unit? Thanks in advance Mark from Toronto Canada.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Plug it into a PC or Mac via USB and load Garmin Express.

@mapf888

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama - Thank you.

The Christmas bells got me laughing hard! I'm not really falling in love with this type of products. Ignoring the price range (this Tacx or the Wahoo bike), it's just too much to have in a small house/apartment. Plus, having your wheel-on or direct drive trainer you can always upgrade parts (I'm thinking more about the handle bar, groupset, etc). Please correct me if I'm wrong on, but with these bikes you just can't. My final point, Tacx must have no aesthetics department. That thing is absolutely ugly. Wahoo wins in looks. Cheers Lama!

@glennoc8585

4 жыл бұрын

I think they're aiming at the petson that is purely a strava indoor rider, I'll refrain from "cyclist' or its aimed at the person with space and has no time and/or desire to stuff around swapping bike to trainer to bike infinitum. They've done their homework there is enough market for these trainers absolutely. Your dont need to upgrade parts though just replace parts if they need replacing. There's no chain or gears to worry about.

@dangurtler7177

4 жыл бұрын

Peloton Interactive (Peloton) produce only a stationary bike and the software to run it (you can only use Peloton's software with their bike and so they have continued income from that requirement). Peloton are listed on the NASD as PTON. That is a good indication that there is a market for stationary bikes in that the company can meet the listing requirements and they buyers have no option to use third party software. I like using my bike with my saddle and bars, but there is definitely component wear doing that that you wouldn't have with the Wahoo or Tacx bikes.

What do you do with all of your trainers? You've got to have a huge storage room for everything.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

If they're still being updated then I store them for re-review or videoes on updates. Otherwise they go back, or go to indoor trainer hell (where a lot of them belong in the first place) :)

To be fair, I can understand the courier... it's okay to handle 56kg once, but not when you're handling packages all day. I guess the company is at fault here, it should have been a two-man job in the first place.

@M9IN0G

4 жыл бұрын

and btw: great video Shane, as always!

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Raises concerns about how these will be distributed by bike shops, or if purchased online.

@M9IN0G

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama well, Washing machine retailers have figured it out. 😅

Surprised they don't have a smaller sized lever for the seat post quick release. Super weird.

@rasmuswi

4 жыл бұрын

I believe every spinning bike I've ever seen has had those long levers that you have to pull out like that. I guess it's kind of a compromise, the levers will be more in the way of things for short people, but they might also be the ones who have weaker hands and need a long lever to snug things up properly. Wonder how much more it would cost to include a bunch of proper ratcheting handles with the bike.

Slightly off-topic question, do all indoor trainers continue to report power until the flywheel stops spinning? The cadence correctly reports zero after 3 seconds but can take as long as 15 seconds for the power to stop reporting. This means a delay in Zwift Super-Tuck

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

It depends on the trainer. If Twitter calculates/estimates power on flywheel speed then yep. Most don’t do this.

@WowRixter

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama My Direto takes about 15 seconds before I can do a Super-Tuck, owing to how long it takes for the power to stop reporting. Cadence is always zero after 3 seconds. I had a ticket open with Elite and after several emails told me that's just expected behavior. I don't have other trainers to compare it to. I was hoping you could shed some light based on your experience with other trainers.

NATIONAL CODE OF PRACTICE FOR MANUAL HANDLING NOHSC:2005 states; 4.23 (c) as weight increases from 16 kg up to 55 kg, the percentage of healthy adults who can safely lift decreases. Therefore, more care is required for weights above 16 kg and up to 55 kg in the assessment process. Mechanical assistance / team lifting arrangements should be provided to reduce the risk of injury associated with these weights; and 4.23 (d) generally, no person should be required to lift, lower or carry loads above 55 kg. Considering the neo units are also an awkward thing to deal with, I'm surprised Tacx didn't spend more time looking at all the ergonomic issues they've been having.

As for the 2/10 rating... #1 Courier delivery refusal - This seems not to be a Garmin issue, but an issue with the delivery company. Mine was delivered just fine. (By Sagawa Kyubin, a local delivery company). #2 The "snow dome". Mine also came with white foam, but not the brittle kind that breaks off so easily. It looks the same, but I suspect it's different, as no "snow" here. 3. The Ikea effect - I put mine together without any issues without looking at the manual at all. Now... I also bricked it when doing a firmware upgrade, so I got to go through the process twice - but at least they were nice about exchanging it without complaint :)

@Grymyrk

2 жыл бұрын

How do you like it so far? I'm thinking of buying one. But would also consider the Stages or Wahoo.

I was about to buy this bike, but then watched this video. When will part 2 be available.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Part II about the fitting will be up tomorrow (I hope.... still working on covering all angles)

hello what indoor bike do you recommend me under 1000euros? thanks! great reviews

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

I don't believe any are under that amount.

The rear seat adjustment was a WTF moment. Smacks of afterthought. After the wait this really shouldn't be an issue!

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

That's what unsettled me too. All these easy-fix things I ran into should have been workshopped with a focus group long ago. I'd visited Tacx HQ three times in the last 18 months. What could have gone down..."Shane, here's the bike in a box. Here's a room. Build it and give us feedback"..... I could have come to the same conclusions long ago. (maybe I'd have to throw the box down some stairs first to simulate real-world shipping conditions)

@stephenbetley9596

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama A bit like the through axle on the H3. It's the little things that frustrate.

@davidh7414

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama Agree completely with your focus group comment. I can only guess that Tacx is an engineer heavy company. Their attitude of casually releasing non-customer-friendly but well engineered stuff also extends to their trainer software.

3:00 everyting still looks in TACX'ed, I coulden't help it, haha :P

Where I should buy quick levavers so I can adjust quickly Tacx Neo bike smart

@gplama

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good question for Tacx/Garmin.

Mail man are only allowed to handle a certain amount of weight in the Netherlands it is 23KG and for construction workers it is 50

@glennoc8585

4 жыл бұрын

50kgs not for lifting without a mechaincal apparatus such as a wheelbarrow, trolley or hand pallet truck. 50kgs for a two man lift.

Wattbike a coming??

Hello Any ideas why is no smart bike on the market (except for the CV19). Six months before was so close and now is absolutely no news at all(Garmin or Wahoo)?

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Best contact Wahoo and/or Tacx. I'm sure they are selling these. As for supply, that'll be market dependent.

They should have included some vector 3 pedals with it 😂😂😂

Has Shane actually ever been in snow? Haha!

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. With a Tacx Neo too! kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJuclLSPdajdhs4.html

This thing seems terrible compared to the wahoo one

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

The process was.... different. It could easily be fixed in a lot of areas. I suspect they'll look at this as people have similar experiences as mine.

Pretty heavy indeed - the Kickr Bike weighs less.

Mark my words. Those pedal adapters will be the weak point.

@M9IN0G

4 жыл бұрын

Bicycle Sunday aren’t those the ones that might cause power inaccuracies with pedal based power meters?

@the_baconators2935

4 жыл бұрын

@@M9IN0G yes i asked garmin regarding using pedal adapters for my vector 3s, as i have a wide q factor, they siad they dont recommend it, and it would affect power readings

@ketjuariittaa

4 жыл бұрын

I ment the crank adapters that pedals are atatched.😗

Shane would you be a wahoo man by any chance 😂 after this video the had a early Xmas party

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

I'm always looking for the best.... or if not the best, at least a product/thing doing what is sold. I really don't care who makes it.

@michaelgallagher6232

4 жыл бұрын

Well i watched your last video on wahoo smart bike and by far seems to be better machine which I hope to get one when it is out thanks for helping me make up my mind 👍👍

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelgallagher6232 Cheers. I hope my influence also reaches these companies (and others) so they can make things better for everyone.

@michaelgallagher6232

4 жыл бұрын

Well I agree with that Shane it seemed to be a very difficult to but together if you can answer the ? Which machine is better to use ??

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelgallagher6232 Stay tuned. I'll be doing the same process with this bike as I did the Kickr BIKE to provide a total overview/resource people can use if they're looking at buying or setting one up.

That's massively disappointing!! Please cover TT setup with that outfront setup!!

chris pritchard inspired transitions?

All components should of been baged to keep out foam like they do with TV's

...And look at every little pixel 😂

Just built my own Tacx Neo last week Box wasnt great but never had the mess you managed. adjustable handle option I greatly appreciated as it looks way cleaner without but if i was sharing use of the bike i would have them on it was a piece of piss putting together, instructions were a doddle. I have watched a lot of your other content for info but after this I am less inclined to trust you as a resource.

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve now put together four Smart Bikes. My position on the Tacx Neo Bike holds. I don’t see how this puts my trust into question? Had I said anything different, it would be a lie. You sound like you work for Tacx, a reseller, or have a case of owner bias. Three things I don’t.

@sidneybaptist5372

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama you obviously know what you're talking about just feels like you made a meal of this for some reason. For anyone that happens to read this comment my take is its a total piece of piss to assemble besides the box weighs a fuckin tonne like Shane pointed with his shipping issues

a smart bike needs a smart user

My screen didn't turn on 👎 looks like I'll be doing the assembly at least one more time

Shane, No grease on pedals oh dear🙄

Is it just me or does that bike looks like a goat or lama?

WD-40 is a solvent NOT a lubricant. It's Ok when it's wet but it will evaporate. You are better off using a thin coat of a real lubricant-- perhaps your stuff used on your bike chain...such as ceramic lube, or similar.

@gplama

3 жыл бұрын

WD-40 silicone spray.

Styrofoam = disposal pain - why is it still being used.

@DaaaveO1971

4 жыл бұрын

It's like getting an item packed in glitter

4K bike doesn't deserve that shitty packaging! Tacx should at least plastic wrap first so it doesn't get that Styrofoam dust !!

would not buy for the styrofoam alone. what a piss ,mess job. why did they not think that would happen at tacx???????

Good video but the product-eeeks!

i hate when that happens...

OMG - this is a disaster build. some really poorly thought out design here!

I can smell the chineseum plastic from here.

@glennoc8585

4 жыл бұрын

Arent they made in the Netherlands?

that is the customers first experience with their purchase just horrible

that packaging is unacceptable