M855 is about the same price as ball ammo... dont buy a plate that wont stop the most prevelant rifle round in America folks

@slopothacrop

Жыл бұрын

Name one mass shooting where M855 was used.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

@@slopothacrop hard body armor isn’t for mass shootings, maybe if you’re a cop. You wear body armor to the mall? I know I don’t. Body armor is for more serious use, like tyranny or ww3 type events…

@InfernoPhilM

Жыл бұрын

I bought some on accident bc it was cheaper than regular.

@stuartdodson6630

Жыл бұрын

@@slopothacrop You brought up mass shootings.

@stuartdodson6630

Жыл бұрын

@@KimballPrecisionRifles It certainly is for going into mass shootings. Specifically, deliberately going into a lethal engagement. Not happenstance on the the street with zero time to react. Kit up. Full battle rattle. Regardless, be ready.

Tacticon is no joke! Owner of the company is a super stand up guy too very down to earth and loves the 2A community for sure

@Anait-vs3jm

10 ай бұрын

Looks they are otherwise why would the offering Chinese tourniquets on their website?

@cmptrgk16

8 ай бұрын

Globalization and the world we live in.

@Fragnar13

7 ай бұрын

Don't get me wrong, they seem like cool dudes but... they sell a lot of chinese shit. He says he would never sell something he wouldn't use himself, but they sell TQs that fail. Bro if a TQ breaks during application thats lights out💀

@5jjt

6 ай бұрын

​@Fragnar13 Where did you get your information from? Trex? He sells Chinese products too. Tacticon performed a demonstration in their most recent video on their TQs and they won't fail.

@CallsignWulf

6 ай бұрын

@@Anait-vs3jm Go learn where basically all your medical shit is sourced from. OEM and ODM are two very different things.

I love tacticon, I use a lot of their products!

Really impressed. I am in the middle of moving family out of Washington State, sold the house last year when I saw the writing on the wall and we have been renting. With the new gun laws, and the law that allows them to kidnap your kids if you don't let them transition was enough for us. We are out! So when we find a place and move to NH think ill put in an order. Thanks man, love the videos.

@FamiliarAnomaly

Жыл бұрын

NH... thinking the resistance will hold in new "england" is a big IF

@LiveFreeOrDie76

Жыл бұрын

@@FamiliarAnomaly thanks for the reply Kevin. Where in your opinion would be a safer bet? I was only on the east coast for 5 years and we were stuck in NY due to work. I would love feedback!

@FamiliarAnomaly

Жыл бұрын

@@LiveFreeOrDie76 i would stay in the west, go to the rockies

@LiveFreeOrDie76

Жыл бұрын

@@FamiliarAnomaly ​ Thank you

@LiveFreeOrDie76

Жыл бұрын

​@@DMF716 Thank you!

Love your videos man! Former Army vet as well, and I appreciate and like your straightforward but not completely dry approach to presentation of information. Thanks much!

Great results. Thanks a bundle.

Tacticon is a great company with great customer service. I have some Tacticon gear and have had zero issues.👍🏻🇺🇸💪🏻

@richarddangles69

Жыл бұрын

I had an issue w their cheap laser/light combo and they got me taken care of right away

@Latrinecleaner

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@Steelcity77

Жыл бұрын

@@Latrinecleaner 🇺🇸💪🏻

@richarddangles69

Жыл бұрын

@@Latrinecleaner they definitely do their best to be a stand up veteran owned business 🇺🇸

@crosspointholsters1636

Жыл бұрын

@@richarddangles69their products come from wish

Ugh. Yeah 855 is just too common. I can’t get behind (no pun intended) a plate that doesn’t stop both 193 and 855.

I absolutely love armor testing! Recently had an opportunity to do some of my own…learned a lot actually. I’m with you, back injuries and can’t handle the load like I once could. Ounces equal pounds as they say. Awesome review Mike!

@TheInfantry98

Жыл бұрын

Sup grandpa

@LupusMechanicus

Жыл бұрын

I played college football, camo queens are hilarious, your back isn't hurt you are just an order following tax leach.

Awesome video brother!

I have some Tacticon gear in transit as I type this. Reading all the positive comments has assured me my choice to go with them was a good one. Great review, as always.

Very nice thank and take care.

For 2.9lbs that is pretty impressive! The next question is the price. (400ea ) there are some great level 4 plates out there that will stop 855 and 30/06 AP and weigh in at 6 lbs and even 5 lbs and cost $150 ea & 250 ea ( 200 on sale ) each are over .6” but under 1”. If this plate could stop m855, m193 ( out a 20”barrel) and 30-06/308 AP rounds at 2.9 to 3lbs at 400$ ea or less then that would be a heck of a plate and deal and I would get a set. Great video as always 👍🏽🙂

@joshleonard7163

Жыл бұрын

What level 4 plates are you referring to that weigh 5lbs for that price? Are they multi-curved?

@warrenharrison9490

Жыл бұрын

Their sale discounts these.

@DinoNucci

Жыл бұрын

​@@warrenharrison9490they're

@warrenharrison9490

Жыл бұрын

@@DinoNucci auto corrected again 😐

@Kycirion

Жыл бұрын

I like Botach lvl 4 plates. About $150 each and not toooo heavy.

Awesome!

Hey Mrgunsngear any chance you could do a video on what your “Red Dawn” loadout would be just for fun? I know a lot of us would be interested to see what you walk out of your house with knowing both that you might now be coming back and what you would run given the abundance of guns n gear you have lol thanks man!

These are dope. Tacticon has some really good products and they make plates in house which keeps them lower on cost.

@johnjay1147

Жыл бұрын

Quality name.

I would love to see if that plate can stop an M855 round when the plate is new. They also make the SRT+ plate that is rated for it and it comes in at 4 lbs per plate. ✌

That price actually isn't too bad IMO, I was expecting a bit more I guess. Maybe I'll consider upgrading from my current plates. Current ones are III+ from Tactical Scorpion Gear (recommended on this channel before haha) and they're nice but man I like the light weight. For people not familiar with armor they might not think it's that heavy but my first set was AR500 plates; I don't think they were 8 lbs but at least 6.5 lbs I think. Holy wow were those heavy, and I didn't even have much experience wearing them. Sold those and got the TSG ones and they're far better. Weight is huge with plates.

@Downhaven

6 ай бұрын

You're so right, I have the classic 8lbs rma plates and they're a killer.

I would love to see you do a comparison between all the armors that you have shot and what would be your armor of choice

For a 2lb plate, that is a pretty amazing performance. You wanna stop m855+rounds buy the next level up. This is a lightweight rig I personally go with the 3+ steel with a thick coat for those m855 rounds but 1 plate weighs more than 2 of these light weight plates.

I kinda like to shoot M193 but stock up/maybe zero for M855

After discount code 35% off it's 272 each plate.

As someone with a back injury as well, the lighter the better. Too bad this won't stop M855. I went with Tactical scorpion PE extreme. So I'm around 13-15 lbs with my plate carrier. For the range I have PE plates that weigh 3lbs so I'm at 9-12lbs when larping.

@easbreid9879

Жыл бұрын

Dont message the guy that responded to your msg, its most likely a scam.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

@@easbreid9879 it isn’t most likely, it just is. If someone falls for that dumb shit, they might deserve it…lol

@easbreid9879

Жыл бұрын

@@KimballPrecisionRifles 😅🤣 yep

Picked up some of the SRT+ (M855 rated) a month or so when they were doing a 60% off sale. Really like them so far. Used the to replace some LAPG L3 plates, cut the weight in half, should protect almost as well. They claim the SRT+ will stop a .308 M80, but with more deformation than you'd want. :)

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

Which is a bad thing. That’s the same thing a hesco l210 does, except it will stop m855 as well as 7.62x39 ap.

@Croak1

Жыл бұрын

@@KimballPrecisionRifles Not really expecting to see a lot of steel core commie ammo in my AO but there's millions of rounds of m855 out there. Also, SRT+ is around a pound or more lighter per plate, is multi-curve, cost me about the same with the sale, and really, if it'll stop 20" M855, it'll probably stop slower, heavier garbage blaster penetrator ammo too.

@demonslayer9551

5 ай бұрын

I bought the same SRT+ on a 50% off. I think it’s a good deal. I went for the mobility over extra ballistic protection. Multicurve, 4.5lbs, and rated for most common ammo. I’m getting older and saving my knees and back are my main priority as I get older. I do more functional training nowadays than traditional gym bro splits at the gym. It’s all about being able to move in all this battle rattle.

@demonslayer9551

5 ай бұрын

@@Croak1 the SRT+ with a good trauma pad is also a good combo too…it can technically stop a 308 but with more deformation. So throw the trauma pad and deaden some of that blow.

What's the lightest multi-curved plate you have tested that also stops M855?

Half the AR owners I know, have m855 stockpiles. I would be stupid to believe they are the only ones doing it. So, any plate I own, has to stop m855.

I’d be interested if it would stop green tip with a piece of cevlar behind it.

Are you able to do a review on the new beretta apx a1 compact?

If y’all like body armor videos and tests I have a playlist that I’ve put together 👍🏼

I’d be willing to bet that if used in conjunction with Kevlar backing it will stop m855

It would be interesting to see if it stops M855 with a level IIIA Kevlar behind it. I tested another UHMWPE plate - without Kevlar M855 went clean through, but the Kevlar stopped it.

@Struggle-Snuggle

Жыл бұрын

Which plate UHMWPE plate did you test?

@Krater84

Жыл бұрын

@@Struggle-Snuggle Sportsman’s Guide Italian plates.

@Struggle-Snuggle

Жыл бұрын

Lol I actually have a pair of those. Did you film your test? Also, I got a tip for ya, those Italian plates actually fit in the Grey Ghost Gear Minimalist plate carrier. The corners are open so they can stick through, perfect fit. My plan is to buy one lightweight III or III+ plate and use that for the front plate, and one of the Italian plates for my rear plate.

Screwed up on the 9mm placement. It hit top center, not .45. Both 45s were bottom right corner.

I still preach that hesco l210s is way better that anything tacticon can put out, hell even the LAPG lv4 either the single or multi curve are better. But my lv4+ guard dogs are just a beautiful set too behold would like too see them in a video.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

Guard dog shit is heavy af and is it even US made? I see nowhere on their site if the armor they sell is made in the US.

@joshjosh7029

Жыл бұрын

@Bryce Kimball i believe they are made in the carolinas, but with a nice plate carrier i run a agilite k19 3.0 you wouldnt feel the weight as much,i wouldnt trust a tacticon as a company neither my life. Its sometimes better too save up a bit and buy the gear you deserve.

After being shot multiple times by other rounds it gets busted up. How about shooting it fresh with xm855 to see if it stops it?

I really wonder about longevity of non-steel armor. Like what is the shelf life on one of these?

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

That’s been discussed an infinite amount of times. UHMWPE plates have probably the shortest life, due to being damaged by UV and heat. Ceramic and Kevlar/aramid will last a long time, way longer than the 5 year shelf life. There’s tests of Cold War and Vietnam plates being tested that are damaged(strike faces cracked/layers delaminating) and they still preform above their rating. And those were with older materials. Newer manufacturing and new materials are superior to the older ones in every way. But good plates and don’t abuse them and you’ll be good for years. The main plates I have are RBR tactical lvl4 icw plates that were made in 2004. I have no doubts in their quality. Look up the torque and tap test for rifle armor. It’s used in the military to tell if Esapi plates are in good shape.

@NoNo_IStay

Жыл бұрын

💩

Plz test ultra light 4 lb plates from Hudis Tactical. $200 price range

wow. 2.5lbs WOW

If I stock up and wanna use M855 for SHTF type scenario, should I zero specifically for that round? Or out of a 14.5" be about the same?

@EVLfreak666

Жыл бұрын

I always zero my rifles at the range for the ammo I stockpile.

@warrenharrison9490

Жыл бұрын

Zero to the ammo you will use the most. Even at that, different brands can have completely different group sizes and point of aim point of impact shift.

@ThePatriotParadox

Жыл бұрын

@@warrenharrison9490 yeah I know.... I'll look it up just wondering the velocity difference between M193 & M855

@warrenharrison9490

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePatriotParadox there's been enough velocity difference in batches from same maker year to year. The newer stuff is coming in weaker than stuff from 3-4 years ago.

I would like to know like everyone who watches what to buy like who;s the lightest who’s the vest buy ect.

Wait, you’re back? I swear these fuckers unsubscribed me. Been wondering where you’ve been good to see you Mike.

science!

Each of us that has an interest or need for body armor will have to make a decision based upon personal factors. As for myself and family, I want as much protection as I can get, and with level IV ceramic plates running under $200 each, I'm willing to accept the weight.

the assumption that most have tula .223 🤣 was hilarious, but very realistic. everybody likes cheap ammo at the end of the day. .

🤗Hello, of all the ballistic plates you have tested so far, which do you think is the most resistant to penetration and deformation. 🤔 Cordially😉

@oathtaker2768

Жыл бұрын

Don’t text them it a scam

Waiting on damn KZread ads 🫠

Wondering if you have a video/review on the Tacticon Armament battlelid ballistic helmet. I can't seem to find anyone with any real information or review other than a short clip here and there. Or maybe anyone in the comments who may have had any experience with the quality of these helmets. Thanks.

@Mrgunsngear

6 ай бұрын

I don't

Now you need to try Underwood 9MM LUGER +P 68GR. XTREME DEFENDER SOLID MONOLITHIC and Underwood 9MM LUGER +P+ 90GR. XTREME DEFENDER SOLID MONOLITHIC. I suspect since they are more of a solid round like the M855 they have a better chance of penetrating. Also use a PCC with a 7" or longer barrel please with those rounds.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

Pistol rounds will not go throw armor that is rated stop rifle rounds…solid or not. M855 goes through Polyethylene because the steel penetrator doesn’t deform like the copper and lead.

Could you do a test shooting steel armor at different angles? I have a feeling that the spall coating would not do anything when the plate was hit at a non-perfect 90 degree angle. Maybe try different angles with different plates and calibers? I think someone is more likely to be hit at a slight or even pretty decent angle than dead on, which would make all of the bullet go in one direction without exploding and dissipating all of its energy, if you know what I mean.

Can you please shoot the armor w one of your full autos? Or multiple full autos. Just for shits and giggles

Is this NIJ certified?

Just out of curiosity, what ammo do fed bois use in their AR15's ?

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

Probably m855a1 or mk262/77gr smk. For the m855a1 I’d recommend a esapi rev G if you can find them. They are decent in terms of weight/price/thickness. You just have the know where to find them(tacswap/gunbroker/eBay sometimes)

@MrRolloBaggins

Жыл бұрын

Fbi runs 64gr soft points I'm pretty sure

@NoNo_IStay

Жыл бұрын

​​@@KimballPrecisionRifles or 64 gr bonded tip.

@NoNo_IStay

Жыл бұрын

Military uses the stuff Bryce mentioned The bois use 64 gr bonded load. Or at least used to recently.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

@@NoNo_IStay with how many civilians and even the shooters starting to wear armor it wouldn’t surprise me if they were carrying m855a1.

Is CA really America though?

No 308 shot? 🤔

at this point, maybe we should stop worrying about threats from civilians =)

Could it stop 338 magnum, 416 Barrett, 500 nitro

@sax5055

Жыл бұрын

PAUL..that made me chuckle. I’m a ballistics nerd🤓. I couldn’t find the M.E. on the 416 Barrett, but I found the bullet weight of 452 gr and velocity of 3,005…so that worked out to a mere 9,065 Ft. Lbs. ME 🙄😂. I’d love to see if steel plates could move an entire body backwards Hollywood style. Ouch, that’s a lot of energy! For wannabe nerds, to figure out the Muzzle Energy in Foot Pounds, use: (velocity x velocity) x bullet weight in grains / by the constant 450,240 = Ft. Lbs. ME…so (3,005 x 3,005) x 452 / 450,240 = 9,065 Easy peazy For comparison, standard Speer 9mm Gold Dot ranges from 317-374 Ft Lbs ME (their +P is 410).

I see a lot of confusion about why you would buy this plate. All UHMWPE plates from every company on the market can be defeated by M855, you sacrifice protection for weight. This is why Ceramic plates dominate the military and law enforcement market.

there are some youtubes who used same polythylene home made, that stopped russian rounds and very light but only as a SHTF and you got nothing else.

Made in Commiefornia? Dosen't stop m855.? Might as well get LAPG lvl4 plates.

@dustang5.O

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing out they are made in Commiefornia, I almost made a huge mistake a bought them 😅 Last week I ordered two Bug-A-Salt 3.0 for me and my dad to have a little fun this summer and was so disappointed when I noticed they shipped from CA and were made by Commies. I wish there was an alternative.

That's actually not too thick for uhdpe, I wonder how it would work in front of or behind steel.

Would it have stopped m855 on a less damaged plate? Imo for SHTF you need to be able to stop m193, m855, and 9mm as the most common American rounds.

@Krater84

Жыл бұрын

Most likely not

Is this level 3 + ?

@gigachad6496

5 ай бұрын

This is technically. It’s like a light weight lvl3+ but m855 passes through it.

GD i miss cheap Russian zoo animal ammo.

that shot with the m855 wasn't fare you should have shot it in the corner.

Should have shot the M855 at a different spot on the plate.

@RickSanchez167

Жыл бұрын

Wouldnt matter, Polyethylene doesnt stop it

🇺🇲🦅🇺🇲

The ar 15 is the most prevalent rifle in America and m855 is one of the most common rounds for it. It makes no sense to pay extra for a special plate that fails this lvl of protection...

@JenkemWizard

6 ай бұрын

It does what it’s advertised to do… if you can’t read I’m sure there’s a place you can still learn.

@francism9782

6 ай бұрын

@PocketCoke my point still stands. If you cannot grasp the infantile concept of getting the most of something (in this case protection) for your money, then that's on you. 😉

@JenkemWizard

6 ай бұрын

@@francism9782 then buy a plate rated for m855 if that’s what you want… it’s designed to be extremely light, not to stop m855… stop being illiterate and read the product descriptions.

@francism9782

6 ай бұрын

​@@JenkemWizardlol...the operative word in SRT is the "R" as in "rifle". If you're looking for "rifle" protection, then buying a plate that fails at stopping common rounds like m855 is a waste of money. You know what a "rifle" is, right? Kinda important for this conversation. 😂

@JenkemWizard

6 ай бұрын

@@francism9782 I know how to read which apparently you don’t. You really keep avoiding the fact that the manufacturer explicitly states it won’t stop m855. Almost as if you’re too ignorant to understand.

420$??? Per plate??? Made in America. I get it. Super light. I get it. But it’s not level 4. Nor certified. They’re gonna fail in the market on this one. Jmo.

Sorry, but if I am putting close to 1k in plates, I would want it to stop green tip . That round is cheap and plentiful.

I just want a plate that will stop 193 and 855, while still being considered "lightweight." Unfortunately, it looks like we'll still need to wait!

$400 a plate YEESH

@warrenharrison9490

Жыл бұрын

They discount.

To my knowledge this company is known for selling fake/low quality plates. I’ve never used or purchase from tac but that’s the way they supposedly got their foot into the door by selling marked up Chinese mass produce plates. Hearing this from multiple guys makes me very hesitant to buy their product. RMA sales a similar cheaper product that’s actually a little lighter minus the multi curve. RMA haves a great reputation so if you have a lower budget they might be the better choice. I’d stay away from their products unless buffman tested it

@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272

Жыл бұрын

Yeah don't believe your own eyes, go ahead and comment that on a video that proves your wrong.

@stephenedwards5063

Жыл бұрын

Reading is fundamental.

@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenedwards5063 using you eyeballs is fundamental too

2nd

Tacti-CON Name says it all. Emphasis on “CON”. My boss had many problems with them. Highly suggest staying away. No ill feelings to Mike here, mad love for mrgunsngear! Tacti-CON paid him for a review and press release. Can’t fault Mike for this California CON company being total trash.

@peterreily1490

Жыл бұрын

Also their company isn’t “tactiCON armament” it’s concealed carrier llc Weird, right? Almost like the 59 names for the same Turkish shotgun so once you know one’s trash, they go to the other name. Speculation? No, facts.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

@@peterreily1490 I think tacticon is concealed carrier’s sister company. I heard that in one of their holster videos. Tacticon is supposed to be their more duty/tactical stuff. With that being said, it’s odd how they argued with me about steel armor being junk, and of course they sell steel armor.

Wait a min… these plates cost $400 each??? I’m super uninterested, a hard plate should stop 855 imo as well

I don’t get it. $450 for a 2.5# plate that can’t stop AP, M855, .30-06, or you can buy Battle Steel 5# L4 for $139 and stop everything. The review is even on this same channel. I’ll carry an extra 5 pounds to not worry about the caliber being fired at me. And the $600 I save to get stronger plates I’ll spend on lightening the rest of my kit, thanks.

1st

Pretty sure Tacticon doesn't offer anything American made. They're a shady shady very crooked company to start with, so I wouldn't put it past them to lie about it. And that M193 probably would have turned your insides into pudding. You can get far better armor that's only 1/2lb heavier from a better company for less.

So this is a garbage plate. Got it

@georgefloydsinhellwbreonna5330

Жыл бұрын

How tf is it garbage. Did exactly as advertised. You daft bruh?

$400 and fails....nogo

Im not a fan of the results. To much deformation.

@NoNo_IStay

Жыл бұрын

Check out the site. Specifically the weapon lights.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

@@NoNo_IStay lmao, bunch of Chinesium shit…

Get a job 😅

IF Mr Gunsngear TRULY believed in this product, he would wear it and have a friend shoot 10 rds of 556 at him, 10rds of 308 and 10 rds of 50 cal at a range of 10yds. We can all see that he just "kinda' believes that this stuff might work. Mr GreenGun did not fully test this product therefore this video is completely invalid LOL. Let the hate begin

I think 855 penetrated because he shot it literally right into the previous 5.56 hole

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

Most UHMWPE armor will not stop m855, this is no different. If it was able to stop it, their website would list it as a defeated threat.

Wow so its equivalent to 30 year old crusty gooey italian uhmpe stored in a 150 degree shipping container for 10 years. Yaawn

Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene. UHMWPE. For those who were curious.

@KimballPrecisionRifles

Жыл бұрын

He said exactly those words in the beginning…

@searchBLOC941

Жыл бұрын

@@KimballPrecisionRifles I musta missed it while I was typing 🤣