Coca-Cola has claimed more than one of my subs. Sorry to hear you had some bad luck on this one. Raffle off the sub as a rebuild. I’d be in on that.

@ParkerTheBasshead

2 жыл бұрын

I just might man! Thank. Your X show up yet?

@westreadwell9675

2 жыл бұрын

@@ParkerTheBasshead no sir, but I am on the edge of my seat!

@AJOSUE

2 жыл бұрын

I was just going to suggest that 🔥🔥🔥

@lordoftheturps9337

2 жыл бұрын

Mannnn I was just about to say the same thing!!!! Coca-cola is just a earth shake in Shittttt breakin song

@stevenwolfie

2 жыл бұрын

I ripped the song off KZread put in in audacity and removed the distortion. Now I can play it full tilt no smell and way less heat to the coil

Recone and you'll love it. Just an honest oops. 3500 watts clean power and you'll never have a problem. They're not Super Saiyan subs they're just high motor Force drivers but they still need to be used correctly. Great video and accountability. You didn't even blame sundown and it very much could have been quality control as well. A lot of people are going to chime in to your videos and your respect will grow because of how candid you are.

@madscientist6869

2 жыл бұрын

What was the oops just hooking it up ..

@ParkerTheBasshead

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man means a lot!!

@gamersfan

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds about right from what I've read on the car audio pages a good 3-inch coil sub will take 3-4k rms clean once you start pushing them above that it will work, but it's like how long will it still keep pounding with that much power

@DibeezyTheGifted

2 жыл бұрын

@@madscientist6869 possibly double RMS and clipping (regardless of what the clip indicator on the amplifier showed). Slight clip at double RMS or playing an octave below tuning. So many factors and variables about a subwoofer blowing. 90% of the time it's user error. Manufacture defects absolutely happen. But I build for a living and I've never blown a z-sub and I personally run zv5 drivers. Personally put 20,000 clamped to 4 18s. Never a blown sub.

@fxandbabygirllvvs

2 жыл бұрын

@@DibeezyTheGifted thouse amps start flashing the clip light at .8 tdh soo there was no clipping just way tomuch power before brake in

What I love about this video is how you take full accountability for your mistakes and are completely honest about what happened! You even reveal how even some of the top subs can face certain death under the wrong conditions. Much respect for this!

@richyoung4051

2 жыл бұрын

i one time didnt keep my secondary agm battery charged after gutting my system out and i killed the battery. went to finaly charge it one day and didnt hold a charge at all. 400 dollar mistake

@way2oppy147

Жыл бұрын

Just recone it fr

@cin5cin1nat3i

Жыл бұрын

@Trav Hamler exactly

@jackcassette1364

Жыл бұрын

He cooked the sundown but didn’t blame them? 🤔 hmmm starting to feel like a couple people are against dc audio.

As Big D would say, "You Big Dummie!." 🤣🤣🤣

@QROCCO

10 ай бұрын

that fred sanford

i love how easy going and honest you are, especially with the mistake being made and admitting to it and not blaming anyone else. i got into your vids because i was trying to upgrade my 10 year old system. ive been running 2 alpine type Rs in a ported box on a hifonics 1700.1 for since and it still pounds lol. after watching a ton of youtube i just ordered a sundown 15 xv3 and jp23v2. cant wait. thanks for the vids

Likely the fact that the coil heated up too rapidly and expanded being that flat wire coils have to go through a heating/ cooling process during break in. If it's not done or not done properly the flat wires (being so close to each other) won't let the coils glue offgass properly and will trap gasses between the layers causing the wire layers to bulge outward or inwards. Round wire coils don't do this as often as they have more gap between the wires allowing for gasses to escape a bit easier.. Some companies perform the off gassing heating/ cooling process in steps at the factory to the coils themselves before assembly of the whole sub, I'm not sure if Sundown does this to their subs to prevent coil failure but I know a few companies that do. Not a Sundown fan myself but still a bummer to see subs go bad

@berto371rr

2 жыл бұрын

Might also have to do with the enclosure was not made for this sub. He always uses same box and puts different subs in it. Not really really showing a subs potential in a box not built to spec and tuned to the fs of the sub

@patricedavid1

Жыл бұрын

We're not going to lie to each other, he always took the same shitty box to do his tests while doing his showoff and the only thing he showed us today is the OVER X-MAXX that his sound box will force his subwoofer to do...very brilliant

@avhuffTeamOtis

Жыл бұрын

This is interesting, my zv6 is still working just fine but stinks pretty bad. I have pics of the coil and she definitely got hot. Had no idea about this flat coil break in shit.

Thanks for your honesty and not making excuses!

This is why I run 4" coil drivers once I go past 3k RMS per sub. No matter what you do a 3" coil can only handle so much heat where the 4" coil has a lot more surface area.

@________GHOST________

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with your idea here if you switch to 4 inch coil YOU WILL LOSE EXCURSION BIG TIME SO GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE LOLOL

@liftedcj7on44s

2 жыл бұрын

@@________GHOST________ Excursion really doesn't mean much in a ported enclosure. Besides a properly designed driver with a 4" coil can have just as much Xmax/Xmech as a 3" coil driver.

@georgesrisomsak9650

2 жыл бұрын

@@________GHOST________ excursion isn't everything. Motor force, piston & suspension durability, and power handling, in the proper enclosure, is what nets good results. Subs hardly move at tuning frequency, thier ability to compress air with great force becomes the main factor when trying to get dumb loud. Large excursion drivers compromise peak motor strength for linearity. It's a direct compromise.

@cfrazier8400

2 жыл бұрын

Guess you've never heard of a ddz.

@liftedcj7on44s

2 жыл бұрын

@@cfrazier8400 guess your wrong. You are talking about a neo motor that has a ton more cooling than a normal ferrite vented pole. Hint, never assume someone doesn't know what they are talking about.

My zv5s never did that. I had an 8k on each fresh out of the box. Sounds like defective sub, there was no clipping present

@Rezbionic

Жыл бұрын

How long can you play on max volume? Does it overheat with 8k each

Parker, I had talked to the Audio apex guys at one of the shows and they told me that they could arrange an appointment for me to bring my subs in to their shop in Nc where they would recone it while I hung around out in town. They said that would cost (approx. $100 a piece) I know you don't live to far off from there so it could be an option. It would make an awesome video to if they let you film some. Something to think about.

@rodolfosotelo5929

2 жыл бұрын

I was gonna comment to hit up Audio Apex they will get him squared away

@33bigggman

2 жыл бұрын

That's cheap

@60wayland2010

2 жыл бұрын

@@33bigggman That was labor the recones are normal price on top of that.

@kramnull8962

2 жыл бұрын

@@60wayland2010 $900 sub in the trash can vs. $500 for a rework. If you are going to play with a big dog, sometimes you have to feed it....

I remember when I made that mistake with my Zv5 I was so sad. Then i ended up buying a nightshade v.4 lol easier to carry around as well :)

I just love how far your videos have come bro great work

You live in North Carolina close to Sundown themselves. I would go get it re-coned rather than wait and buy another. I think a lot of other people feel the same way. Love the videos and keep bassing on!!!

Just a little side note to anyone Who doesn't know but but taking your Box for example that is tuned to 32 it can only safely play down to 24 hertz So when playing decaf Songs need to be careful on high power Because under that frequency the sub is not controlled anymore by the Box and The subwoofer suspension alone is controlling it and it and can cause over Excursion ( bottoming out or jumping the gap)

This is why I swear by running in subs as you would an engine, give it time to get hot and cold a heap of times before going full send to allow the glue properly set on the VC plus loosening the soft parts

@catch22frubert

2 жыл бұрын

He broke it in for like a week. He did it right. That coil was just a defective coil. It happens to the best of them. Every one in a thousand is gonna be defective for whatever reason. Sundown needs to take care of the man and send him a new sub. He spent $1000 on that thing and it lasted a week.

I'd enjoy a recone video... I reconed my X12's after watching a couple you tube videos and it was a surprisingly easy job with just some printer paper and proper glues.

😬😬😬 She gone 🔥💨💨

Inductive reactance (impedance) is entirely different than resistance. Sometimes manufacturers will post DC resistance for convenience.

Bummer. Excited to see you test the big boy subs. Don't get me wrong, I like the budget subs also. I'm running DC Elite XL'S in my jeep and for now a JLW6V3 in my daily. But I'm thinking of getting something that slams a little harder for the daily (I have a JP23 amp just sitting around) I was kinda looking at the Sundown Xv3. Only cause Sundowns are on sale. Heck I might get some bigger subs for the jeep and put the Elite's in the daily. If I go that route I'll have to get some more lithium and a 20k or so also for the jeep. I have enough electrical in the daily for my 6k I'm already using in the jeep. Decisions, decisions lol. Also considering Deaf Bonce, but I really like DC. Tell you what though if I was Jacob I would send you a new Zv6. Love what you are doing, keep it up.

8 Layer Coil Typically Expand And Contract More During Heat Cycles Since There Are More Layers Ontop Of Each Other. If It Expands Too Fast / Heats Up Too Fast It Has A Slight Chance Of Unwinding. I Think That May Have Been A Defect Becasue You Would Have Smelt It First. I've Been Basing On Some 8 Layer Coil Subs For Over A Year And They Start To Stink Every Time I'm Getting The Coil Temps Too High.

Got mine on a crescendo 4K, boxed tuned to 32.25 htz. I tested it at 40 hz 0db and getting no clipping playing it loud. Smelled the glue a little when I was breaking it in. But now it doesent smell at all and the spider has loosened up. Sounds great. Sundown only rated the sub at 2500 watts. I was told a 4K was plenty for it

@daviddrake9798

2 жыл бұрын

I have a zv6 15" on a half ohm load. It's powered by a Synergy 2.1 d. Supposedly before box rise is getting between 3 to 3.5 k. I also done a SPL recon for this to get a higher FS it seems like it's louder than the original cone. I'm curious about your enclosure what is the internal cubic foot and did you do a slot port? I listen to a lot of metal with some EDM

If I can run 2.5x power on some Alpine bassline $50 12s for 8 months. I think the sundown should have lasted a lot longer.

95 lbs is not easy to carry around but not easy on the daily driver either if you own two or more. Thank goodness for Neo magnets. Bummer about the sub. But made for an interesting vid! 👍🏻

Dammm what a bummer Parker. Mistakes happen. Keep it pushing 💪💪

I just appreciate your honesty in what happened! I love my Sundowns!

It’s easy to do trust me you can recone it I did my first one on a zv5 and it went right in perfect I used paper for the shims and it’s still going that’s been almost 2 years ago

i just sold my 2 sa-10's i've been pushing 2k-rms on for 8yrs, they never had any issues. Clearly, tripling the rated wattage is playing with fire... i still want a zv6 tho

That black glue some manufacturers use is really good for holding together at high power , no sub single sub is going to handle an 8k amp all day long , 8000 watts is a lot of heat !!!

@busa_joe1159

2 жыл бұрын

You will never see 8k especially on music maybe for a second but the rise will be all over the place

Hey bro! We all appreciate your dedication to this channel and most of all your honesty. Take it ez

@ParkerTheBasshead

2 жыл бұрын

Thank man!!

@catman1304

2 жыл бұрын

@@ParkerTheBasshead Just stating facts bro. Have a great day.

Definitely an eye opener. I will be running 2 sundown nsv5 on a taramps 8k bass and was just thinking about doubling up on the amp until now. 4K watts each of clean power should be plenty

@lancewilliams4261

2 жыл бұрын

4k is definitely all you need but this wasn't because of the size of the amp, it was either enclosure wrong size, amp clipping, or defective sub-I've had a scv7500 per sub at .5 ohm and below using ZV5s, ZV6s, and NSV4s and never had this happen.

@justinambrose4387

2 жыл бұрын

@@lancewilliams4261 good to know! This is the biggest system I’ve ever done. Most I’ve had is 1 j 13w7 and just had a 12” skar evl on 1500 rms

That's a bummer man. But hopefully they'll have a v6 recone soon. Hopefully the raffle goes well. 👍

It happened to two x series I got from them early this year, it is not your fault. I reconed them. It happened with the first in about 10 mins of playing the second after a few hours of playtime. The coil seperated and was not burnt in the least. on both of them.......

How much difference in box size and porting between X and Z subs? I have x and thinking about upgrading for more power handling?

Should make a short video of all your 12s in a line from smallest to biggest motor. Id like to see a side by side comparison of the Jensen js12 and the sundown zv6

You should check out Resilient Sounds... I upgraded to RS team 18s over zv5 18s and I'm loving them. 5k rms rated... Easily they take 10k from everything I've seen about em.

My new zv6 came in the mail and it’s reading 1.3 on both coils . Did you have your sub in parallel when they read.5 and.7?

Respect bud rebuild it with a 8+layer spider pack get a 8k+ coil and spl cone with mega roll u won't be disappointed we did that with a skar dnr it's clear over 150db alone 😉(in chevy Silverado)

The x and zv use the exact same surround, so one can not be taller than the other, also the x and zv are both assembled here in the US, also making your box bigger doesn't mean louder

Good review I like the honesty

Do u prefer carbon fiber dust cap and cone or Kevlar dust cap and cone??

Parker you're a genius, bro you are the sub woofer destroyer if it cant hang you'll be the one that prove the truth of a sub Great Job

When you Have that much available amp power always wire your subwoofer up it'll increase the BL and it can handle the amp better

I'm a little speechless. Keep your head up bud you did good love ya man.

Here I am in the middle of the night thinking about subwoofers 🔊 😂 Was planning on doing 8-12 vxf15’s but I wanna play windy lows. And what sub has the most Xmax to get low? Sundown! Now these subs are quite a bit more expensive, like 2.5 times more for the Xv3 , or almost 4x more for the zv6. At this point, I might just have to wait until I figure out which way to go.

It would be cool if you could do a review on a 12" or a 15" psi platform 5.

@kcmullins6179

2 жыл бұрын

Those are bad ass heavy heavy heavy woofers

@zanechristiansen

2 жыл бұрын

yes get this some attention im looking into psi subs but don't see a whole lot of in depth reviews. any video of them does bang hard, but I just wanna see this style of review lol

@mj14sk8er

2 жыл бұрын

love my platform 5💪

@tbzombie1725

2 жыл бұрын

Man i bought a platform 1 15 and a star power 1500 amp and holy shit it blows the doors off my 08 avenger

@tammyforbes2101

2 жыл бұрын

Those are comp subs who runs 4” coils and 10k daily? I would love to but who has the money to do it shit would cost $10k easy unless you do a bunch of cheap Brazilian crap!! A pair of those need a Korean 12k-20k to get the best out of them! If all you got is a normal 1500 watt amp forget it you want even tickle them!

We're here to help your channel to be the biggest car audio page!

@ParkerTheBasshead

2 жыл бұрын

💪🏻💪🏻

Purpose is my favorite color too Parker!!! Keep up the quality content 👌🏼

@ParkerTheBasshead

2 жыл бұрын

💪🏻💪🏻

Always wondered how the voice coil glue holds up to the extreme expansion/contraction of CCA wire.

@ederreyes3612

11 ай бұрын

When the glue warms up it becomes softer so in a way it works out

Dream subwoofer😍👌 BASS ON!!!

Go with DD 99series or Z and you will love it.. cone area will do the work Had 95 esp @DD m5 0,5ohm and took it like champ then bought DD 99series that thing is a beast

You should do a review on the deaf bonce 4515... I have a brand new one sitting in a box that I would let you review and send it back to me..

That part your car is moving while you put into the box.. wow. Wish i have that one

instantly you can hear how much more louder this zv6 sub is in comparison to all the other that have gone before it cuz damn it's vibration G the roof and garage easily twice as much as any sub prior... sick as fook man. Buzzin. I'm only a couple minster in btw.. man i love this issh: )

my DB 3015 is eating my MD8k. I’m kinda surprised I haven’t blown it yet. im clipping it too when I music demo for my friends. I cant even imagine 2 of those beast in my Subi. Happy Thanksgiving Parker!

Hi im new to this but wanting to get subwoofers but I have a question please can you listen to subwoofers for hours or do you need to let them cool down I'm looking at low power subwoofers and not showing off just my personal use probably a 12 inch with about 300 to 500 watts any information is truly appreciated thank you for your time and have a great day fred

Purple my fav color too..really like that shirt guess ima have to buy one ...you've came along way since the gothic 10 😆

I’ve got one on the way 😁 going to have a pair of SAZ-1500D 15th anniversary amps strapped on it

Can you tell us the motor weight and layers when you can. Like pull the boot off? Thanx.

I'm sticking to the Xv3. Cheaper and you said it sounds the same. So yeah. If I buy some it will be sundown Xv3

That High Pitch Bass Line In That Song Is Exsactly What Heats My Coils Up Badly. When I'm At 32-33Hz Port That Song Slams The Low Bass In That Song And You Hear The Port. When It Goes Into That High Pitch Bass Part The Subs Move Alot And You Hear The Subs Not The Port. It Moves Alot But Doesn't Really Get That Loud. I Have To EQ Those High Pitch Bass In That Song / Turn Bass Knob Down During Those Parts.

🟢I'ld to LOVE to see you making a review on Pride ST12 subwoofer. Can you do it please?

That's a bummer! Maybe between D4S or Sundown they'll warranty it for a little good publicity. Still a bummer though

What kind of amp does the Sundown SV6 need and will I have to upgrade alternators for this thing lol

Respect for taking responsibility of your mistake, subbed and liked 👍

@ParkerTheBasshead

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate you!!

Parker please do a video with you buying the parts from lord of bass and rebuilding a sub and show us how to measure and decide what parts and sizes to buy. Doesn't have to be that sundown it could be any basket

I’ve had the same thing happen with my x8 v3 2 times and clean power. Test B2 Audio RAGE XL 12

what a shame, that speaker can take power, but what learnt from my nsv4, 1 week wasn't near enough time to break those spiders in, try two months... would of been under incredible forces

Always wanted to ask why no 10’s or 15’s? Love your content but looking for other sizes

You should do a video comparing the zv6 vs brickhouse. That would be an awesome video

Do they offer dual .35 coils in a recone for those?

I heard that they have been having this happening a lot with this specific subwoofer and version of it. I do realize you pushed a lot of power through it but I've been hearing this has been happening. But for me that is unfortunate because I was looking at one of these but I may go with the x v3 I got a Jp23 to hookto it thinking of going with 2 12s n 2 jp23 amps to push them

Re Cone You can another bad ass interesting video I'd really love to see how to re cone a sundown zv6 they're so recent it'll be a good review as well

So happy I didn't buy one those subs. The zv5 has the same problem with it falling apart. I will go with the xv3 subs, they seem to be more durable and since you say they sound the same, I really wanted someone to voice their opinion on the subs.

@lancewilliams4261

2 жыл бұрын

It's not the sub in general or that it was too much power for too long-either he was clipping, the enclosure was wrong, or it was a defected sub. I'm running a scv7500 @.5 ohm per ZV6 right now, and I've ran a 7500 per sub @.3 with my ZV5s and NSV4s for years without ever having this issue. You can't let one bad sub sway your judgment, even good brands have defects here and there.

Thats sick, I’ve always been into Skar, but thinking about getting an XV2! Hopefully they sound good lol

@JasonKerlin

2 жыл бұрын

The v2 will likely have the same issue. I had two seperate and shed the coil

@baguettedoggo9821

2 жыл бұрын

@@JasonKerlin ah okay, only reason i was gonna get a v2 is because that would make the RMS 1000 watts under my amp rms, i have a 4000rms memphas audio amp

It's the port area and volume of the encloser that's way to small for the box the box your using is more of an SPL box for that sub and will be loudest in the 40hz range vs 30hz range

@justforlaughs8988

2 жыл бұрын

The reason you blew the sub was cuz the box you put it in it's not the right size the port area was way too small and it heated the coil up way too much

Poorly wound/glued coil, wasn't your fault Parker that's a factory defect that was completely missed by Sundown. Otherwise they woulda sold it in the yard sale as a defective product.

@harveyacosta9770

2 жыл бұрын

Jp has Travis build his sundown subs he should have got it from audio apex

@catch22frubert

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. If the coil comes unwound like that after a week with no clipping, it was just a defective coil. Sundown needs to step up and take care of a good customer that spends good money with them, and even reps their products on KZread to a few hundred thousand people.

@ChaosTherapy719

2 жыл бұрын

@@harveyacosta9770 agreed, plus Apex woulda done a sick color powder coat too and he coulda had the sub build with Nightshade v5 Spider and 8 layer coil too

@ChaosTherapy719

2 жыл бұрын

@@catch22frubert I really question D4S in general though, this spring i bought a new in the box Sundown SFB 2000D from them that fried in 6 hours playing my Xv2 10

@nationalblake5743

2 жыл бұрын

Why does everybody think JP (the owner of D4S) own sundown. 🤣🤦‍♂️ Jacob Fuller owns sundown. Where he bought the sub has nothing to do with how his outcome would of been. Sundown builds this sub in house, then put to a test to make sure the sub has no weird noises. Then is boxed up and shipped out to disrupters such as D4S & audio apex. Audio apex only builds refurbished subs. But, you can get ahold of audio apex and they will hook you up for a recone for it, as they share the same warehouse as sundown. Since he put 8k watts on it, I highly doubt sundown will warranty it.

Hopefully you still have warranty for thiis, can't wait for the comparison video

@ParkerTheBasshead

2 жыл бұрын

The sub is fixed! Gotta go pick it up this week

So whats the best class sundown 12 to use when u only have 3k audiopipe to push it in a extended cab

@maxbernard5797

2 жыл бұрын

U series

Damn that sucks!!! Recone it and sell it. Get a nice 4 inch coil sub like the B2 Audio Rampage if your wanting to abuse the hell out of a sub. 3 inch are nice for SPL and music but if you really want to abuse a sub gotta go 4 inch.

With a 3inch coil i would put only 3-4K on that thing

Parker, please give me your oppinion on this. I have a taramps MD 1800.1 . Shall I get an Xv2D2 sub and wire it down to 1 Ohm or can I get away with geting an Xv3D1 and wire it down to 0.5 Ohm without frying the amp? I'm willing to take the chance, I wont blame you if it fries, but if you say it will fail 100% then I wouldn't try. I just want to enjoy one beast like this and I think that if I wire it to 1 Ohm the MD 1800.1 won't provide enough power for it after impedance rise.

What amplifier where you pushing with that subwoofer..

How much power was you sending threw it???

Do you think if you would have had it inverted it would have held up better. I keep my q class inverted and they stay cool

I agree with all the others. Do a recone, it's a great opportunity for another video and it will be just as good as original.

I’m just here to read the comments from the pros as to what went wrong but keep up the good videos.

The spider differant colors on z vs x series. Some can't tell tge difference sundiwn should color tge dustcap letters or put a z or x on dustcap to tell difference on series.

I really wish you would start reviewing 15 inch subs

I would call Sundown. I won the Zv6-12 in the raffle at the show this year and I have a CAB-45 on it. I beat on it every day. Jacob Fuller will figure something out. They have the best warranty on there equipment. I would just call and let them know what happened or drop by there.

Yo I could fix that with only having to replace only the coil. Heat takes those glues out like nothing

Parker, we didn't expect you to feed that thing sammiches its entire life... Good job man, you took a hit and it will still pay off in the end...

All of your subs are inasanely awesome😍🇵🇭🇵🇭

$900??!!!!! not a good look for sundown!!

I got two of the discontinued team series. The 5000 rms a piece, I got the last two from a company. None of the ZV s can beat them. I'm even knocking off trucks with 4 - 15 ,most speakers they making now are no more than 2000rms ,.so think of my two that's 10k rms and they 12s ,and these Brazilian amps ain't ready to push them rite .I had to get a real Korean amp to get them rite

What happened with big system you had?

I did the same thing to my ns v4 15 called sundown they paid repair and shipping to get it reconed I got it back took 2 weeks call sundown they can help get it fixed or swapped may be cheaper and easy they diy recone

I want the 45series behind these Sundowns!! No disrespect to Sundown, ZV6 is beautiful!! Sorry it broke, my favorite version of Coca-Cola is 18-21Hz on 1 15" Machete Sport V2 on Crescendo Symphony S1 & XS D7500 @rest.

Idk I've seen zv5's fail almost immediately on low clean power the same exact thing the coil unwound

Everyone's budget is different I myself am on a tight budget so when I got my first skar zvx 12 I felt the same way and fresh out the box had a coil rub turns out my local audio shop try to get over on me and sell me a used recone'd .. which I understand if done correctly is just as good as brand new but only if done correctly and in my case it was not🤬. But after several hours of bitching they finally replaced it free of cost which should have been done from the beginning considering the circumstances

D4 sound gonna give u another sub... no worry.. 🙈 wich i dont think .. seeing clip light @ 7:40.. 7:43.. and the box to small for that thick motor.... not enough cooling..