this guy speaks spirituality in a way as clear as crystal

@rickdeckard1075

4 жыл бұрын

this woman, which a lot of ppl do, is essentially trying to both blame this guy for, and force him to explain the purpose of, suffering ("blame the guru"). i'm not sure why he doesnt just say that the whole point of advaita is to show you a way OUT of suffering, and that its undeniably true that a large proportion of people dont want to do the work that advaita requires. if she doesnt like or want the teaching of advaita, why is she even attending this

@drosottera8741

3 жыл бұрын

Rick Deckard cause she's not sure of herself

This is one of the most important videos I've watched because I keep struggling to understand why we're even bothering with our suffering if there's no one there to suffer but I wonder this when my separate self is "active" and so it drives itself crazy trying to understand this. So I'm glad Rupert is making the distinction that there is suffering but we only say there isn't once we understand and FEEL that there's in fact no one there to suffer.

if spirituality is about freedom, moksha, there is no greater freedom than freedom from spirituality

@anejaG55

4 жыл бұрын

ug krishnamurti said the same thing.

@malabuha

4 жыл бұрын

Agree under realistic conditions. But. It's also true that the quality of experience is about perception. In spirituality you fake it till you make it. The LaLa Land is a state you create through belief and consequent perception. In this world you get there by lots of denial. And you're happy

@Crazyreshankar

4 жыл бұрын

Freedom from even the concept of freedom is spirituality

@gregorylent

4 жыл бұрын

Shankar Tharakeswaran :-) .. bravo

@Crazyreshankar

4 жыл бұрын

@@gregorylent :)

Nice colors. Looking Cool Rupert! 😎

@depressionbeard9882

4 жыл бұрын

Bonnie Jandhyala like strawberry vanilla ice cream 😍😂

Rupert, you are doing a great job! You are very attentive with you own teaching. That is what i like very much! And no worries. KZread helped me alot. ;)

This is sooo important 🙏🏼

Buddhas first sermon was addressed to common people who were very much identified with their separate selves.his compassion took their suffering into account. His whole journey began because he acknowledged suffering. Who says buddhism denies suffering? They are always exhorting you to end suffering

@squamish4244

Жыл бұрын

Buddhism does not deny suffering at all, whatsoever. Ever. Neo-Advaita, which is not classical Advaita, and is promulgated by people like Eckhart Tolle and Mooji, does tend to push the narrative that "there is no suffering". Or more precisely, it does not emphasize nearly enough the strength of your conditioning and how hard it can be to overcome it. Without all the work to clear out your conditioning, good luck trying to practice direct seeing. You can't do it.

I am so thankfull that i know this wonderfull person. He is so clear. And no guru potentials like some enlightend beings.

Thank You 🙏🏼🌺

Thanks Rupert. 🙏❤️

Love you Rupert🌷💖💖

perfect. Thank you

Love you Rupert 🙏💚

Gracias ☺ 💖

There is no ultimate truth seen as a statement of understanding. Then the understanding is an obstacle in itself

I thought Buddhism readily acknowledged suffering as one of its main axioms

@dbuck1964

4 жыл бұрын

Louie Atkins-Turkish it does. The first noble truth states that life is suffering, period. But it’s only true insofar as we all begin with a lack of understanding/knowing our True Nature.

@ElizabethReninger

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed. The essential teaching of Buddhism as a whole is what's called "the four noble truths," namely: (1) the truth of suffering, (2) the truth of the cause of suffering, (3) the truth of the end of suffering, and (4) the truth of the path that leads to the end of suffering. It's all about seeing how psychological suffering is created, and how it can be released. At deeper levels of the teaching, the "self" (along with all phenomena) is found to be empty, i.e. lacking any kind of separate, inherent, permanent existence. Perhaps this is what the questioner was referring to?

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

@@invisiblevfx seems misperception is a better word than illusion for Western seekers.

@jeffreysevinga9398

2 жыл бұрын

Yes life is suffering but there is nothing wrong with suffering. I think that is something to think about. The human heart pumps for all human beings even if they are defined as evil or bad people. Hitlers heart was working just fine. That should tell you something about the unconditionality of life. That is not saying we should not make things better for ourselves it just shows you that the base from which all that is comes is unconditional. We as people judge and live like that which is also fine, but we should not mistake true nature or absolute reality with our own perception.

@AllGoodLongchenRabjam108

Жыл бұрын

There are levels of teachings given per the acumen of the individual by THE guru

This piece gets off to a slow start buttons ends brilliantly. I am impressed. ☯️🕉🔯☸️♒️🥰

@Progenitor1979

2 жыл бұрын

I also love brilliant buttons!

A metaphor helped me: its like you believe that you are a hand, only that but someday you discover that you are the whole body.

@creativezebra5757

4 жыл бұрын

who am i...can only be know ..by not hand, not body , not this ..nor that...by negation only can we define who we are....

@andrzejsati3861

4 жыл бұрын

Or a wave of the ocean.

@sonkeschmidt2027

4 жыл бұрын

@@creativezebra5757 no, not only. You can equally turn it around and add indefinitely. Same result as negation.

@atreyfall3812

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrzejsati3861 that to!! That metaphor helped too.

Rupert is referring us to check on Tony Parsons or Jim Newman. Yes, they are pointing directly to nonduality/emptiness. They don't say there is no suffering. They say that there is apparent suffering that is apparently happening to noone. As Rupert says, it should not be taken out of the context.

Tricky stuff. Dream Theory clearly describes this phenomena as the dreamer and the dreamed self. Does the dreamer exist ("infinite consciousness")? Yes. Does your "self" in the dreamers dream exist (finite consciousness)? Yeah...but. Suffering does appear real to the self in the dream. We all know this experience. But, when you wake up did that suffering really happen? Not really, but it was an experience while you dreamed. Tricky stuff. Be kind. Have fun.😴😊

If you want to know what a good example of an Oli would be, look up Jim Newman. Most of his answers in Satsang are “there is no me” and then he looks at the floor like a pouting child until someone else asks a question. You can’t even properly converse with him; that’s how far he takes this nonsense neo advaita approach. He’s completely denying everyone the apparent existence of a separate self and cuts their questions short. Sometimes he even snaps at seekers because they don’t agree with him - hence the disabled comments under all of his videos. I’ve been checking him out and struggling with his “teaching” in the past couple of days. Perfect timing, Rupert. Thank you for teaching real Advaita and not just mechanic, nihilistic nonsense.

@Fabio-wf5dn

4 жыл бұрын

Hi! After your experience, do you think these "Olis" are crazy cheaters or just confused?

@depressionbeard9882

4 жыл бұрын

Fabio Hi! That's difficult for me to say because I can't really comment on someone's internal spiritual evolution. Any unconventional behavior might either mean they're full of shit or that they've gone beyond every inhibition and are incredibly authentic. I think the best way to determine which one's true is to look for signs of compassion and loving kindness in their words and actions and to observe how they make you feel. I like to believe that there are no complete conmen in the Advaita community so I'm kind of hoping that most Olis genuinely believe they are self-realized. But you never know. People naturally want to be special so some of them might as well just be acting. The short answer is: Let's just say some people are clearly not born to be a spiritual teacher.

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

Lol. Jim Newman is describing the reality of no self. The meetings are designed to take the personal mind to the reality of not knowing. The person is an image and thought complex that comes and goes. Comes and goes on what? I DON'T KNOW!!!!! GOD IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE!! LIFE IS PARADOXICAL.

Ollie is a transparent phenomenal self-model, not a person. So one could actually claim that "there is nobody here" although Ollie answers "Here I am".

Rupert didn't want to say Tony 😜

@manslarsson3967

4 жыл бұрын

Or Jim Newman ;)

@jigme800

4 жыл бұрын

Because Tony is as mad as a wet hen!

@jameelisaac7122

4 жыл бұрын

@Tiger Dragon Storm Lmao

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Parsons and Jim Newman are very clear in defining the self. Rupert Spira allows beginner seekers to gradually realize the reality of self. TP and JN are for seasoned seekers who are ready to accept the reality of self with the least amount of fillers possible.

@Natalie.Kharchaf

Жыл бұрын

There are no seekers.

Well said.

Looks like Rupert is going to great lengths to explain it, but it only complicates it! The answer is quite straightforward if you do not confuse the relative terms with the absolute terms. In relative terms (i.e. a view that "I'm this body and mind in a world"); there IS suffering for sure. On the other hand, the statement, "There's no one who suffers", is an absolute statement (i.e. a view that "I'm the single consciousness experiencing a 'drama' called world, many minds and many bodies"). Both statements are true, it depends on your perspective. The teaching of absolute truth and in absolute terms cannot be offered by anyone who has not realized himself/herself to be the absolute , pure consciousness. Also, most (almost all) of us are still in the relative world and cannot criticize a statement made in absolute terms just because it doesn't make sense to us yet!

You are pure consciousness practically living an illusion you weave out of yourself in a mind posture. There is no skipping the experiences as long as you hold the posture.

Rupert and the comment section are the EXACT purpose of Jim and Tony. Straight no chaser!!! I must reccomend Douglas Harding writings headless.org. Harding clearly points to the reality of the person being a thought complex that arises and disappears. I don't know how something that arises and disappears can ever be anything but an appearance. Suffering arises and disappears.

somebody should send this to Tony!

I think Francis Lucille spoke to this point in one of his books, but I believe he clears it up really nicely and efficiently. This type of confusion happens only when one mixes up the levels (consciousness vs. human) that one is referring to. "There is nothing to do, and there is no one here" is a useful and true statement ONLY FROM the point of view of consciousness or awareness. That statement is absolutely useless if it is from the point of view of a human, which should become exceedingly obvious in almost no time at all. Go ahead and tell a family who is starving that there is nothing to do, see if they agree. The problem is that we hear these profound sounding quips and then try to apply them to every level of our experience, regardless of whether or not it's actually applicable. "There is nothing to do, and there is no one here" is useful because it describes our actual experience of consciousness. It would be an error to make that statement describe something that it doesn't, which is a common mistake in fallacious spiritual discourse, as Rupert points out.

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know if a KZreadr discussing nonduality is responsible for the many ways viewers try to avoid the reality of the individual self.

@alisonsalter8352

2 жыл бұрын

To studythe work of Dr David Hawkins first, before Non Duality clears this up completely. To understand human consciousness as David Hawkins teaches is to understand and navigate humanity with ease and love for all. X

If it's true that every point of view (belief/experience) receives its legitimacy from the viewing point it originates from (to include the belief/experience of suffering), then it may be helpful to simply ask yourself this question when believing/experiencing a particular belief/experience. "What viewing point am I assuming in believing/experiencing suffering?"

@alisonsalter8352

2 жыл бұрын

This is ehy it is very important to understand levels of Human Consciousness. Befor I came to Rupert I was first led through the teachings of Dr David Hawkins. Once you understand the various levels of human consciousness, you understand and can navigate humanity with ease..and with love.

Buddhism recognizes suffering. The Buddha stated that he came to teach suffering and the end of suffering. I believe this lady confused Neo-Advaita with Buddhism.

Advanced teachings can drive the mind crazy if the preparations are not done to subdue and purify the instinctive and reactive Mind. Neo-Advaita is wonderful in the case of someone who has a very very refined and pure intellect. To just “watch the person” as awareness and go along with afflictive thoughts, words and actions is an error. Anger can arise but a Buddha has a seamless recognition into release without egoic self reference. It would not be acted out for selfish purpose.

What is the event that is happening now, in the thin but continuous moment between the future and the past? Is it mind? real? energy? Is it made of something? How is that different from what has happened?

I hear everyone's frustration with Parsons however the Zen tradition I grew up on contains innumerable examples of comparably 'difficult' teachers. I suggest people be interested in why Parsons elicits such a reaction. I enjoy Parsons(and yes he annoys the living fuck out of me) but I won't be inviting him to my birthday party!

self is learned. different events teach us who we are. if someone tries to cancel me - my responsibility is to disable the button before he/she does it!

If Tony Parsons hears this he'll go mad :)

@hermansohier7643

4 жыл бұрын

He would say,this is just happening,apparently.

@ericmccarty65

4 жыл бұрын

there's no one there named Tony Parsons...

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

@@hermansohier7643 he is speaking from direct experience.

@hermansohier7643

4 жыл бұрын

@@FirstPersonHood Like everyone else.

@Progenitor1979

2 жыл бұрын

There's apparently no one to hear the non-existant question.

I've always wondered why him and mooji keep swatting from their face is it a fly or are they somewhat swatting thoughts away that aren't from truth.

@haikalsean

4 жыл бұрын

WarGuy27 It's a fly

@depressionbeard9882

4 жыл бұрын

WarGuy27 I’ve seen dozens of Rupert’s videos and this is the only one where he does that. Pretty sure there’s a fly or mosquito bothering him.

@adamdownes4725

4 жыл бұрын

What was your experience that led you to this feeling?

@zain4019

3 жыл бұрын

@Citizen X This comment seems suspicious, like na "I know something you don't know", and then fails to expand on it. What led you to believe he's insincere?

he is awsome

Can someone share ruperts views about the message of tony parsons and Jim Newman.

But even in buddhism the journey begins by acknowledgement of the suffering of the separate self and resolves it only when the seeker sees the emptiness........

@DilbagSingh-ox8li

3 жыл бұрын

So sweet dear owl, only when the seeker actually sees, really see that, feel that, absolute honesty, even if one wants to be self deceptive suffering going to proves out what's true, good night dear owl 🦉 love❤ you

flow with the flow

I can hear his frustration. On-line teachings can be the best and the worst.

From the "view"of the Absolute there was never any suffering; from the viewpoint of the unenlightend jiva there is

"Pizza delivery for Ollie"!

Sometimes I hear your voice in my inner speech lol

@Timetampering

4 жыл бұрын

dethtrain haha! Me too.....it’s awesome.

first of 4 Noble Truth"s as formulated by the Buddha is that of suffering

but of course you know someone name Oli :) But I won't argue that I'm nothing :)

I'm the Fly and I'm here.

Yes and it's just a name. Like an apple is not an apple it's just a name. The name only points to something. And the message is mostly there is no person. Saying there is nobody is weird because there is a body which has a name. I think the teachers who are saying there is no person like Jim Newman and Tony are referring to the mental construct which has no real substance and seems to take ownership of everything that happens. Which is of course ridiculous because things just happen as they are. Like there being a body with a name attached to it and thoughts and feelings that arise, it's just that the name is not doing that. We learn our children to identify with a name when they are young because it works and makes things easier like we have words for everything so we can point them out. In Zen they try to teach you that the pointer like the word apple is not really the apple its pointing to something which is beyond words and abstract concepts. That's what is called Maya i guess and we use maya to talk about that which is absolute because how else would we? The problem arises because the person Ollie starts to believe it is Ollie and not that which ollie points to. Basically Rupert and neo advaite teachers are saying the same thing with other labels, and that's fine like i am doing. When a teacher feels the need to explain or undermine something that somebody else is saying i think it's a shame, because even the person who is not busy with advaite or spirituality and just telling about how there day went is perfect and true. Everbody is talking about something beyond words in my opinion. non duality is about no duality so let's not try to own the truth and say somebody else there message is not that because that in essence is not non-duality right? Would be great to see Rupert and a so called neo advaita teachers talk together and share some love there :P As soon as you open your mouth it's duality so let's have fun with that :)

@'I' as mere passing cloud label to point to you is valid. @'I' thickened with aggregated emotion to make notion of an inherent permanent seperate thing is an exagerative lie. - if all those varied thoughts were a person it would be awfully crowded in the head. Temporary and infinite are not mutully exclusive in a contiguous field

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... dommage , pas de traduction en français.. belle journée à vous tous.

Yep by 1:45 the point is made

As long as there is ego, there is suffering as well. For whom? For the ego itself which is identified with the body. The idea that we cannot find the ego when we are looking for it is false.. We can observe the sense of ego as any other psychological form (anger, fear, lasciviousness, etc.). The ego is made of psychic Energy and creates the sense of I identified with the body So when suffering manifests ( in the form of anger, depression, , guilty,etc ) which is a psychological expression of the ego itself, we experience suffering as a body-me entity,

@nikolacvetkovic4549

4 жыл бұрын

No, the ego can not be found. That part is true, because the ego is the one who is looking. You can not see your own eyes, you always see objects, not the subject I or the ego. The part that is not true is that he is in effect saying that the awareness is ego, or that awareness experiences creation. Awareness only experiences awareness. What he actually refers as true nature is actually only the ego.

@nikolacvetkovic4549

4 жыл бұрын

Truth doesn't have any problem with intellectual arguments. However the experience fueled with desires does. Also I didn't negate your experience, just suggested another definition of ego used by many, which is a subject of experience, and not a part of personality that we can feel. In this definition the ego is the one who feels.

@atmannityananda-autognosia

4 жыл бұрын

@@nikolacvetkovic4549 Nissrgadatta says that even the ' I am' can also be witnessed. How much more the lower ego which identifies with the body. Quote of Nissrgadatta: "Keep focused on the ‘I am’ till you become a witness to it, then you stand apart, you have reached the highest."

@nikolacvetkovic4549

4 жыл бұрын

@@atmannityananda-autognosia Yes, I am aware that many teachers say that you can. Thanks for the quote. Ramana Maharshi says that you can't, without ego there is no creation. "If ego comes into existence, everything comes into existence; if ego does not exist, everything does not exist. Ego itself is everything. Therefore, know that investigating what this is alone is giving up everything." v.26 Ulladu Narpadu

@nikolacvetkovic4549

4 жыл бұрын

@@atmannityananda-autognosia I understand, I am not saying that I know better or similar, it is an open discussion. It is not said directly but is clearly implied in this verse. Everything all phenomena is there because ego the subject is there, forming the fundamental subject object duality. Without ego there is only the Self, which is not aware of the ego, because from the standpoint of the truth, the ego never was.

I compare experiencing life as a human being, to owning a car. In order for the car to drive nice and smooth, it must be maintained. You need to make sure it has oil, gas, nice tires, working breaks etc.. i human beings have a collective purpose, idk what that is, but the world needs alot of human beings.. happiness is our default state, the body we experience life in, is like a car.. when it needs something, it will tell you, but not with words. Your body speaks to you through emotions.. the body has a natural biological need to survive and reproduce. Negative emotions our are check engine light. They are felt with good reason.. it means our body's are in need of something, so it's pulling you out of your default state of happiness, but only temporarily.

Almost Asif he were referring to Tony parsons lol

Notice that Jim and Tony have comments disabled in all their videos lol afraid of being found out for their nonsense

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

I find them both to be crystal clear. The truth of self is obvious . Beginning seekers likely will need Spira to walk them through the nuances. Tony and Jim are simply describing REALITY. Rupert gives advice and prescriptions. Tony and Jim offer no prescription because the person has no power to move toward what already IS.

Buddhism does not teach that there is no one that suffers. The first noble truth is life is suffering. Buddhism teaches anatman, no self, but that does not mean there is no one here. People suffer but that suffering is based on illusion, a misunderstanding of reality, and the self that doesn't exist is only in our conditioned mind. Buddhism is not nihilism.

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

No self means there is no inherent self. Self is a thing that comes and goes. All things are appearances. Appearances come and go!!! Suffering comes and goes. I comes and go? All words and ideas come and go. No self.

It is true that the statement " there is no one here" sounds silly and I think it is a mistake insist on that line, but in reality, the message is that the self is an illusion, and reality, including suffering, is and is not at the same time, therefore suffering is not denied. For me it is more stimulating message to meditate to see if you are enlightened, but each one has his way

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

That statement has never been said outside of the full context of nonduality in my experience.

Suffering experience or Experience suffering

'I am here', says the ego-body-mind entity and not the Consciousness. Pure consciousness is not involved at all The reflected consciousness illumines the experience, the mind does everything else and the ego functions as the agent of the experience. (The hearing and the answering).

8:00

So …. Rupert finally admits there is a duality in non-duality.

@era1442

4 жыл бұрын

No language would be possible without duality.

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

@@droge192 you are defining reality. Whatever you want to believe will be for you the truth until reality demonstrates otherwise.

This is such a misrepresentation of Neo Advaita.

Etonnante question … C’est méconnaitre le bouddhisme car sa base même, les 4 nobles vérités, repose précisément sur la reconnaissance de la souffrance

It's weird to see so many non dual or advaita teachers say the other one has it wrong. I have never heard a so called neo advaita teacher say there is nobody here. They say there is no person here which sounds about right to me. There is something experiencing all this, call it Self with a capital S or god whatever you want it's still trying to label something which is beyond concepts . calling it consciousness is also just trying the give something a word. I think something like Zen would be a good way to mix things up because they seem to have more than one way to point to that which is beyond human understanding. Neo advaita teachers saying other advaita teachers are not communicating the message and the other way round just seems silly. Bottom line they al share something which by there own words is beyond understanding. And than they turn around and say but they don't understand it. Maybe the drunk in the bar comes closer to the truth than you, there is simply no way to be certain.

Rupert speaks with sincerity and insights; however, there is more. Spinoza helps us awaken the mind and we learn to discern the passive/ego state and an active intuitive intelligence, that knows and lives in truth. www.WayofSpinoza.com

the actor suffers... the being doesn´t. the non existing separate self suffers( actor), the reality...( what it is now) it doesen´t knows anything about suffering. it is too much busy being. in the level of human being there is suffering, but we are not in Life, we are life.

Rupert you say as people we suffer, but as ultimate consciousness we don't. Yet low and behold consciousness has groundhog day in terms of actions. Consciousness Stuck in a loop of suffering characters may change, but actions do not not, actions our only true belongings. Nothing is seperate whether named god, buddha nature, Atman, spirit, life, whatever name man/woman gives it .Maybe god in all its names should WAKE UP, and stop manifesting suffering through dream like appearances.

This guy is passing on information from the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharashi

Nim jewman or phony tarson need to take a few notes from rupert

Neo Advaita is for the birds. Avoidance and denial. Look what a mess happened with Papaji, and all those after him.

@FirstPersonHood

4 жыл бұрын

A message this radical will create much drama.

Boy, people like this lady is an example of the misunderstanding a teacher is subject to by people who do not understand what they hear or read. She should say on book such and such or video such and such you made this statement. This woman is clearly unable to understand "there's nothing here, and therefore no one to surfer." She certainly cannot grasp the concept of there being an "Ollie in the room" not as identity but as consciousness and a here. What, one asks, what is this lady doing actually there in the room holding on to dualistic understanding of the world? Truth cannot suffer.

@zain4019

3 жыл бұрын

There seems to be a lot of misguided irritation in your comment. It's just a question. We are all on a path of learning.

Rupert, you are not a Hindu, yet pretending to teach about the Hindu religion--what is wrong with this picture?

lmao "the neo advaita circuit"

@gregorylent

4 жыл бұрын

Chaz Beauchamp places like tiruvannamalai in the satsang season are polluted by it

First Noble Truth of Buddhism: *Suffering* 🥲 Also Buddhism: *There is no suffering and no one to suffer!* 🙂

Buddhas first sermon was addressed to common people who were very much identified with their separate selves.his compassion took their suffering into account. His whole journey began because he acknowledged suffering. Who says buddhism denies suffering? They are always exhorting you to end suffering