The only thing I dislike about Stranger Things is how they're so afraid to kill anyone from the main cast so to create this artificial tension they simply introduce new characters and kill them off in the exact same season

@Billy_the-cat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah right? Why did they create Eddie? Im just sad now

@idealistic6440

Жыл бұрын

agreed, it’s so predictable i really hope that they start killing main characters in s5

@VeganGoat96

Жыл бұрын

@@idealistic6440 well of course they're going to do that, it's the final season. I for one, expect El, Hopper, Steve to get offed next season. Most likely of the lot.

@loudfanatic

Жыл бұрын

Amen, i hated how they kept doing that after Alexei.. Billy was understandable even if his character had a lot of potential, but they repeated it so many times that I did hope someone from the main cast would die shockingly. Instead I kept waiting for the new characters death, and eventually that’s what I got-

@virturegd5247

Жыл бұрын

Alexei, bob and eddie, didnt deserve to die.

The true villain of stranger things is Will’s barber

@annaliseray2028

Жыл бұрын

Lmaooo fr though-

@ghostsontrains7629

Жыл бұрын

wills barber is joyce 💀

@randywhite3947

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostsontrains7629 damn

@taylorg7079

Жыл бұрын

He's the child of a lower middle-class single mother. She's definitely the one cutting his hair lol. One of my best friends got her hair cut by her mom and had a mullet from 1998-2006 when she finally got to go to a professional.

@virturegd5247

Жыл бұрын

that bowl cut is so ugly.

I cannot forgive the duffers for what they did to Jonathan and Mike’s characters. They were by far my favorites S1-2 but then they were shoved to the side and reduced to weakling love interests. I did love Nancy, Max and Steve’s development though

@NinjaMaster-og8ti

Жыл бұрын

Agree. I would also say that I'm not particularly happy with what they did to Joyce. Like S1 and S2 Joyce was a complete badass who was always the first person to figure out what was going on and come up with solutions and answers that even the viewer didn't see coming, Then in S3 she and Hopper are kinda turned into this comedy duo, and S4 Joyce doesn't do anything except figure out that Hopper is alive and participate in yet another comedy duo this time with Murray.

@extrzq

Жыл бұрын

me too! i hate how they turned jonathan into just nancy’s boyfriend sidekick,then a stoner

@MomoMensch

Жыл бұрын

@@extrzq Plus he doesn't even get to tell Nancy about the college thing?? The whole season was leading up to this and then he just lies her in the face? I'm so disappointed.

@PS-dm1dq

Жыл бұрын

Let's not forget that Nancy and Jonathan started with him taking dirty pics of her through a window like a gigantic creep. 🤮

@MomoMensch

Жыл бұрын

@@PS-dm1dq i actually forgot :(

Suprised you didn't mentioned Robin in the "most characters are dumb" part. They nerfed her so bad. She went from "quirky sassy smart enough to crack a secret fucking Russian code" to "sorry if I'm talking fast my mouth moves faster than my brain am I bothering you? Because I totally get those vibes" like what? Where tf did this come from?

@optimysticpeaches

Жыл бұрын

Bro I LOVED season 3 Robin! They did her so dirty. Like she was so cool in S3 and everyone keeps saying that she just became her real self in S4 that’s why she different. Um no. All they did was cut her hair and turn her into a comic relief. She was so annoying and very difficult to like in season 4. She got a little better in V2 cause the plot became more serious, but not much better. That scene where Steve gets attacked by bats makes me so mad cause she won’t stop talking about rabies! It’s so cringy im like girl shut up😂. Season 3 Robin would never

@meddlesome-

Жыл бұрын

I liked Robin in the fourth season but it would've worked so much better if they made her neurodivergent from the start? it feels like they're retconning her, adding all these new traits she didn't have in her introduction which could have made her more dynamic but instead just makes her seem like a different character

@magikphoenix140

Жыл бұрын

@@meddlesome- she could have been neurodivergent from the start. Her cool girl persona in season 3 could’ve just been her masking. And the rambling isn’t nothing new. In the season 3 finale, when El has the monster this inside her leg, Robin started rambling about how a girl from her soccer team got injured really badly. So, she could have always been neurodivergent, she just stopped masking because she feels comfortable with the others

@meddlesome-

Жыл бұрын

@@magikphoenix140 mmm yeah good point. I forgot about that scene.

@audrey9609

Жыл бұрын

I love Robin, and I agree they did her dirty in s4 but she’s still one of my favorite 😀👌

I only have 3 complaints about this season 1. Mike being a hypocrite when El hit her bully 2. The new character Jason getting so much screen time for reason at all he doesn’t even help with the story 3. Wills barber still doing him dirty after all these years (Spoiler- Jason died 😍)

@nativenewyorker3144

Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure the duffer brothers said that Joyce cuts her children’s hair because they can’t afford trips to the barber. That’s why they all have bowl cuts. Along with El

@clickbiat

Жыл бұрын

@@nativenewyorker3144 did you watch the first episode of this season? Joyce got bank now I’m sure she can afford a different cut, besides Wills brothers cut doesn’t look as bad as his

@miinaa7779

Жыл бұрын

I‘d like to add that this whole Nany/Jonathan/Steve love triangle is so annoying. Last season made us feel like Jonathan and Nancy are endgame and now they forced this whole thing with Steve back in, just because Nancy and Jonathan don’t talk things out. I hate the miscommunication trope so much, it’s so annoying

@Sabrina-sc1db

Жыл бұрын

@@clickbiat Joyce doesn't "got bank" She had a trust fund that Hopper left for Eleven, and probably for college/food expenses/just taking care of her Sure, a haircut may not be a lot but if she can save a few bucks, I'm sure she will Also, again, the money is for eleven. Imagine taking her to a nice place to get a haircut and leave your other 2 kids with their hair... not cool

@angietoonz6605

Жыл бұрын

Mike wasn't a hypocite. He was just shocked. El said those were her friends and he only just realized she lied about everything, so of course the kid is confused lmao. Why is everyone dragging him for his annoyance when Will is right and El was lying to him (for weird reasons, cause like he said, he's been bullied so he would understand). Also, I'm not mad at El by the way, I just think both aren't wrong for how they reacted. If anything, the writing in that situation was just weird af anyways.

My only problem is that Mike became the worst character. Remember how he wanted to sacrifice himself for Dustin in season 1? What happened to him

@alpacawithouthat987

Жыл бұрын

Now he can’t even defend his girlfriend from bullies

@AtomicVertigo_Comics

Жыл бұрын

FR THEY BETTER DO SOMETHING TO FIX MIKE

@yourdadbeenfuckingyourstepsis

Жыл бұрын

Frr he was my fav in season 1 and 2 but in season 3 he started to act like an asshole

@BeyondAnimation

Жыл бұрын

well he's not a kid anymore, but he should have said something, him giving her grief even if it was for a small moment was so bad, don't know why he he sat there and watched them bully her in the rink

@laurenorourke2442

Жыл бұрын

Season 1-2 Mike was the best. He became an asshole in season 3 just for El to take him back at the end of the season 💀

Let me repeat again. Will's character got buried. He was the (or one of the) mc of S1 and 2. In Ep 1 of S1 he was smart enough to quickly realise that he was home alone, locked himself and was prepared to shoot at what like age 12? Even the adults in some shows don't have this type of awareness but then again they just forgot about Will

@thousandminusseven3889

Жыл бұрын

Dont forget he survived in the Upside Down alone for days

@idklmao9647

Жыл бұрын

@@thousandminusseven3889 exactly, I mean being in a place that you don't know, where you could brutally die into, for 6 days, also being starved, at 12? At least he's gonna be a big part of s5.

@porterijsseldijk3953

Жыл бұрын

What I hate is them adding new characters, that are killed off anyways, and they take away all the screen time from the MAIN cast. Also, the whole lesbian plot was complete bullshit, what's her face originally was supposed to be with Steve, but then the creators just had to listen to the damn cast, and change it literally at the very last moment.

@damilareogungbade5361

Жыл бұрын

@@porterijsseldijk3953 what's her face💀

@hopeless5282

Жыл бұрын

@@porterijsseldijk3953 That's your problem with the show? That Robins a lesbian? seriously?

Will could be a really interesting character, if the writers actually gave him the time of day

@monk4ever

Жыл бұрын

Will was my favorite character in the first three seasons. In season 4 he was made out to be a weak crying little girl.

@crimsonghoul8983

Жыл бұрын

According to them, that will be the focus of the show in the final season.

@kayley196

Жыл бұрын

@@monk4ever will has enough trauma from the upside down and the mindflayer to be put in a psych ward PLUS he's gay in the 80's AND had to be a relationship counselor to his best friend (who he's in love with). but sure, he's just a "weak crying little girl".

@DrRhyhm

Жыл бұрын

The writers already said that Will's character will be the focus on Season 5

@ophanimangel3143

Жыл бұрын

@@DrRhyhm Why didn’t they do so in previous seasons? Even Max and Lucas’ sister had much more purpose in those seasons than ever Will did (except season 2).

My biggest complaint was that the four main kids got to do basically nothing other than transport around the people who actually did things. They’ve been heroes 3 different times and now they were the most unused part of the show.

@threeleafclover3222

Жыл бұрын

Well, to be fair, the kids themselves never really did much in the first place. In season one they just kinda walked around with 11, and she did all the stuff. In season 2, Will was possessed and therefore serves a purpose but Mike just follows him around, and Dustin and Lucas enlist Steve to do the monster-fighting work. In season 3, they do work together to get billy in the sauna, but again for most of the season they’re just there while eleven does stuff. And then when eleven loses her powers all anyone does is just distract the monster while she talks to Billy. In this season they’re still doing just about as much as they did before. Mike and Will trying to find eleven, and then Dustin and Lucas helping with the older kids, if anything, max being the distraction actually is one of the most meaningful things the kids have done to fight the mind-flayer/vecna

@ankurpatel6538

Жыл бұрын

@@threeleafclover3222 the strength of the main cast was their detective work, that's the point

@amanafareez8541

Жыл бұрын

except dustin, he found out that theres a gate in every kill site, found out about watergate due to the compass, the only one who beleived eddie was innocent and basically carried the show. dustin is one of my fav chharacters.

@bxshpop

Жыл бұрын

@@threeleafclover3222 technically in season 3 the kids were really useful cause Dustin and Erica guided the grownups through the vents, something that wouldn't have been done without them so they contributed to the closing of the gate. It was Lucas' idea to get the fireworks and if they didn't have those to keep the monster subdued for that long the damage could've been worse. Will kinda worked as a mind flayer alarm though it wasn't as useful as S2 but I'm just tryna say the kids were very useful that season and 11 was the least effective that season even though she was an essential force and for the first time ever they had to fight more effectively without her being the main hero

@bxshpop

Жыл бұрын

@@amanafareez8541 yeah Dustin has never been useless he only let us down in S2 by keeping that demadog alive otherwise Dustin and his intellect are one of the most important parts of the team

As much as I love Hopper, it would have been fitting if he actually died at the end of Season 3. This would have eliminated the whole Russian storyline so that they could give more character development screentime for Mike, Will, and Jonathan.

@st4rgirl251

Жыл бұрын

YESSS!! i also think if Max dies on life support it would make the show much more deeper and realistic cause they still haven’t killed off a main character yet so it’s pretty generic

@karlab.3780

Жыл бұрын

this is a great observation!

@GraceMariex3

Жыл бұрын

@DorksAreCool B.T I wouldn’t consider him a main character. He’s only in season 4. Anyone who is original to season 1 would be a main character IMO

@ella5286

Жыл бұрын

@@GraceMariex3 max wasn’t in season 1 tho lol but I do agree with u

@GraceMariex3

Жыл бұрын

@@ella5286 yeah that’s true. I would’ve been so sad if they killed her off. We’ll see in season 5!

Was anyone else crushed when Bob died?! He turned out to be such a sweet, caring man to Will and his family. I would have been so upset even if he and Joyce broke up but his death was also just so brutal. I really loved him. Am I the only one??

@womp47

10 ай бұрын

definetly not and i feel the same, but I guess he didn't play a major part so people don't talk about him

@Ghost_is_him_

9 ай бұрын

Bob will go down as the best character in stranger things season 2

@angie_gwiliza9018

8 ай бұрын

My guy was killed just to set up Hopper and Joyce cause he was too sweet, a bad breakup between him and Joyce would've been more upsetting and senseless

@subsume7904

6 ай бұрын

The entire Internet went crazy when Bob died, what do you mean are you the only one? Lol

@ChampBoa

6 ай бұрын

Bob was the mvp of season 2

Tbh I think they ruined Jonathan bc he was a caring brother a few seasons ago and now he’s just a drug addict

@fart63

Жыл бұрын

Jonathan has always been a side character. In season 1 he was just a weird pervy kid who wanted to find his missing brother, s2 what did he even do? S3? Nancy’s plot device. s4? Again, barely did anything

@maybemikki2715

Жыл бұрын

@@fart63 did you watch the show? everything you side is highly inaccurate

@raspberryleaf258

9 ай бұрын

His drug addiction makes sense bcs the adults around him always dealt with their problems like that when he grew up but it's so sad to see that be the ONLY aspect of his character. I'm currently watching ST again bcs I really really like the first 2 seasons but I just kinda forgot about it bcs I didn't really like the last one all that much. I do think this show still has lots of potential and since S5 is supposed to be more Will- focused I really hope things come full circle and the show moves back to it's roots again.

@DJFNaFMan

9 ай бұрын

@@raspberryleaf258 yeah but jonathon was pretty cool in about season 1 to 3 but now he’s just a dead character. And Mike feels so dead now as if his actor has just given up completely in the first seasons Mike was an interesting character but now he’s just boring

@corymorrow5329

8 ай бұрын

he's adrug addict because he starts smoking pot with his friend? get real, look up what a drug addict is, he isn't one

Super mad respect for saying Steve and Dustin are best characters, they’re literally the best parts of the show, pure gold

@shirodkarasavariamaresh3178

Жыл бұрын

I remember that line in which Dustin tells Steve if you die I die. I remember saying uhh... no you both got it wrong if you both die we all die

@idkwhattohaveasausername5828

Жыл бұрын

“I’m missing collarbones not eyes”

@sebastiandupuy6469

Жыл бұрын

@@shirodkarasavariamaresh3178 ong tho

@sebastiandupuy6469

Жыл бұрын

@@idkwhattohaveasausername5828 “do you have to be told everything. You’re not a child”

@KeyFChicken

Жыл бұрын

Literally my two favorite characters

I absolutely love this season. My only issue is the California crew who aren't doing much of anything. Sidenote: They didn't say that the upside was stuck in 1983 because that's when El first opened the gate. Nancy said it's stuck in '83 when Will first went missing.

@thenacho6354

Жыл бұрын

Will went missing the day 11 opened the gate

@LukaTisus

Жыл бұрын

@@thenacho6354 See now I've been thinking that her fight with 001 was the first time the gate was opened, but it sealed and left a sort of fissure behind and Brenner started focusing his efforts on getting Eleven to open it up again so it could be studied further. It'd have given them time to build the containment area and shit around it by the time she does open it again and the Demigoron gets out and snatches Will.

@daneroberts1996

Жыл бұрын

That actually makes a lot of sense, in season 1 they did seem to already have some idea that there was an upside-down

@dubnicko5747

Жыл бұрын

yeah I like the show but at the same time Will and Mike feel like they dont really have personality. Mostly Mike though.

@milatorri

Жыл бұрын

I saw this guy's theory on tiktok saying Vecna might be capable of changing how the place looks like for his next victim a.k.a Nancy, so it's stuck then because that's when Barb went missing and that's her trauma

I swear when you mentioned Jason I was like “who the actual f**k is Jason” and that just goes to show how forgettable and underdeveloped of these new characters are and the fact that there’s gonna be another new season makes me wonder how they’re gonna nerf this show once again

@mallorycarpinski1160

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't until I got to that part in the video after reading your comment that it clicked who Jason was. So yea, agreed.

@tokyotopaz3637

Жыл бұрын

Who's Jason lol👀

@blazingexil4003

Жыл бұрын

This was the best season since season 1

@breadbasket3685

11 ай бұрын

@@blazingexil4003 disagree

@blazingexil4003

11 ай бұрын

@@breadbasket3685 disagree

as much as i love stranger things,but you’re completely right. it’s lost the same magical and nostalgic feeling it had in season one and two. at least to me

@marisakennedy777

Жыл бұрын

I second that motion.

@oxfopee

Жыл бұрын

You are 100% right

@ASLUHLUHCE

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@HiproOnverse

Жыл бұрын

I felt that it was lost after only season one tbh

@fart63

Жыл бұрын

It lost it in season 3 when they ruined hopper as a character.

I would argue Eddie was most definitely emotionally impacted by Chrissie's death. The trauma of seeing someone floating, breaking apart and eyes exploded might make one's emotions go a little hay-wire. Everything he knew about reality has just had a dramatic and impactful shift. He now has to come to grips with his new reality and wonder if that same fate awaits him.

@zigzagintrusion

Жыл бұрын

I think he meant that Eddie didn’t have an emotional connection to Chrissy herself (idk tho lol)

@idaf3028

Жыл бұрын

@@zigzagintrusion don't they have a past though?

@Vampxiii_

Жыл бұрын

100% agree

@johncmoore416

Жыл бұрын

@@zigzagintrusion They did know each other at the middle school talent show which is how they bonded.

@johncmoore416

Жыл бұрын

@@idaf3028 middle school talent show.

Don't feel like you went over Lucas well, he actually did change or grow to a degree and in a pretty realistic manner. Lucas didn't want to be a nerd or a loser anymore but at the same time he wanted to elevate his friends with him as opposed to ditching them for popularity. So he started working out, playing sports and hanging with the popular kids also due to the fact he was sick of being bullied and feeling like less.

@safcjoe7062

Жыл бұрын

Plus, he's allowed his own interests but the minute he has to choose between the jocks and the gang he goes back to them because he's loyal. The only point I agree with this Alex guy about the development part is that Dustin is clearly the most developed out of the 4 originals.

@BassLineProductionsI

Жыл бұрын

And even though max dumped him he still has genuine care for her regardless. I think Lucas is probably one of the more realistic characters and well acted

@luanamulhern2973

Жыл бұрын

Lucas went trough so much. I don't believe he would have just cared about being popular like the other kids. doesn't make sense, specially since the first two season of stranger things shows how cool it is to be a "loser" when you have your friends. why would he backtrack like that?

@wiseguy240Winston

Жыл бұрын

@@safcjoe7062 Yeah I liked that he still stayed loyal even when his 2 interests conflicted. He saw that jock Jason went nuts and started beating ppl up due to the loss of his girl. Lucas knew he couldn't let that manic find his day 1's.😩

@wiseguy240Winston

Жыл бұрын

@@BassLineProductionsI No doubt he cared but it was awkward for the 2 to approach each other directly lol. The feelings were still mutual between the 2.

Ok few things 1. Steve’s character development is amazing 2. The grinch comment made me die 3. Wills hair looks like an actual mushroom

@HunterMagunter

Жыл бұрын

Steve's story is the most unrealistic of any in any show. A rich, cool kid who was hanging out with kids his own age is gonna randomly drop all that to hangout with 14 year Olds? Creepy and doubtful

@HunterMagunter

11 ай бұрын

@@spideronawhiteflag you're looking too deep into a dogshit show

@crackle6875

10 ай бұрын

He had a falling out with the two friends he was sorta close to before he starting hanging out with the kids. Now he once again has someone around his age that he feels comfortable hanging out with: Robin.

@HunterMagunter

10 ай бұрын

@@crackle6875 garbage excuse for a garbage show

@aumsharma8783

10 ай бұрын

I mean, mostly all of steve's development happens off screen? Like he gets dumped by Nancy in season 1, but then it is in season 2 that he decides to talk to the main children then in season 3, he starts to really care about them and season 4 just goes with it....BUT *WHY DOES STEVE LIKE NANCY AGAIN I THOUGHT HE WAS OVER IT*

I love Hopper’s character a lot but I agree with the fact he should’ve remained dead. Also the moment they reunited didn’t felt that much emotional to me idk it felt like they didn’t care too much about that scene among everything else happening so the writing was a lil cheap idk. I mean someone died literally DIED and came back from the dead and all of them just reacted like an old friend came to visit again 💀

@summer93i

Жыл бұрын

Fr bro, it was just like, they saw him and were like "oh, cool, hes alive." Not like, "OH MY GOD, HOW IS HE ALIVE, WHAT?"

@qupq

Жыл бұрын

@@summer93i fax he should have died in the explosion there’s no logical way he survived that big explosion and the fact the Russians didn’t kill him when he got caught for escaping

@SR-zp4je

Жыл бұрын

I love Hopper so I'm glad he's alive, but yes absolutely agree with you otherwise, they underplayed that moment massively.

@takeaminute2144

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I felt the whole reunion was totally lack luster. It was weird.

@marisakennedy777

Жыл бұрын

It felt like they took the story and completely changed it and in as much made up a bunch of sh**.

I loved this season despite the plotholes you mentioned. The only thing I didn't like is that they killed off Eddie who was adding a lot to the story, it felt like they just introduced new characters this season, to kill them off because they're too scared to kill any main characters. Same with Billy Hargrove..the whole volatile child grows up to be a sacrificial adult trope.

@prismix0870

Жыл бұрын

bruh chill with the spoilers

@SaiyanGamer14

Жыл бұрын

@@prismix0870 dont read comments if you dont want spoilers

@Biscusted

Жыл бұрын

i mean, eddie wouldn't have to go to prison now. if he was alive he would be the main suspect on the murders. And the cops would definitely not believe his story. 🤷🏽‍♀️

@omygo5h340

Жыл бұрын

@@Biscusted I agree, letting Eddie live wouldn’t make much sense because he would then be sentenced for pretty much all his life in prison. There wouldn’t have been a way to clear his name

@toskuxklan711

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 legit no knowledge in this comment but fan girling😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

I actually like the fact that they added jasons character and his whole thing with the town cuz its realistic, like thats how an american small village would react like in the 80s, not like in s3 where everyone just accepted the fact that a "mall fire" destroyed the mall and moved on with their life

@tigress_4393

Жыл бұрын

So true it felt like i was part of that town at that point

@stay_goldn24

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but Ngoako during that whole “ the Hellfire club is a cult” situation I was starting to get so upset

@kyokomi4980

Жыл бұрын

@@stay_goldn24 tbf that was a thing in the 80s

@comicalcosmonaut959

Жыл бұрын

I agree, it’s totally in line with the sense of paranoia Americans felt at the time and it’s clever to include into the story…BUT Jason is still so annoying as a character and I can’t wait for Lucas to knock some sense into him lmao

@SurprisedPika666

Жыл бұрын

This is completely wrong. Almost no one believed the fire story and rumors of conspiracy and the town being haunted increased. And S4 is not realistic, having a group of adults form a lynch mob to (probably) kill a group of teenagers because the town football star said they were siding with the devil is not realistic at all.

It's so frustrating that we keep getting new characters but no development for the main kids, I feel like the ones that are good are holding the show together, more Steve and Dustin duo please

@micheal009

Жыл бұрын

no that’s not what we need, that’s literally the last thing we need, they’re focusing on things like steve and dustin being a duo and robin and erica and others too much and just not developing other main characters. they should make the other characters interesting and enjoyable too rather than continuing to write them poorly and focusing completely on the fan favourites.

@Ghost_is_him_

9 ай бұрын

@@micheal009 I hear u, but I mean Dustin and Steve carried the show at times personally

Might be a hot take but one of the most annoying things for me was that El lost every sense of her newfound style in season 4. Like it was such a big thing in season 3. Her bonding with Max and the bright colours. "What you want, not what Hopper and Mike want". She was coming of age, feeling herself and in season 4 she just wears the most boring outfits. All of them are not dressed half as cool as in season 3 but for most characters i don't care. For El it was a major part of the plot and they also had flashbacks about it in this season. I feel betrayed!

@Moon2025_

Жыл бұрын

I can agree with us a lot

@Fabi-ej2hv

Жыл бұрын

It was to portray how living with the byers influenced her, just as how when living with hopper and we she hanged out w Max more, all of them influencing her style and representing different things

@iSaraSeantae

Жыл бұрын

This bothered me too until I realized how similar her outfits in S4 are to her outfits in S2 - when a major plot point was that she had been living totally isolated with only Hopper for company, and when she ultimately bonded with Hopper as a father figure. S3 ends with El believing Hopper is dead, so it makes sense to me that in S4, mourning for her father, El's sense of style would revert to something more comfortable and reminiscent of her time living with her dad.

@ionabab7274

Жыл бұрын

I somewhat disagree. It makes sense that she has no real sense of style since what is considered “fashionable” is socially constructed, and she spent the first 12 years of her life completely isolated from society wearing the same hospital gown. We see her lack of understanding in fashion, and subsequent lack of social awareness, through her very mismatched layering (like wearing a blue sport shirt over a pastel floral long-sleeve top). Like the reply above mine pointed out, the flannel makes sense as she’s mourning the “death” of hopper, so wearing something that reminds her of her time with him is very much in character. In my opinion, El in S3 was very out-of-character the whole season. She would flip-flop between speaking like an ordinary teen and speaking with poor grammar in fragmented sentences. So her whole style transformation felt in character for Season 3 El - since she had sort of “found herself” and her clothes reflected that - but it was out of character for S1-2 and 4 El (if that makes any sense). That being said I do wish she had worn less outfits with messy colour schemes, and instead have worn articles of clothing that aren’t supposed to be worn together in more visually appealing colours.

for me, the only disappointing part about this season was the California group, aside from Argyle they're the least interesting tbh. I love all other plot lines though, and I liked that they brought Hopper back because of the father dynamic with El, I think their relationship is a major arc for their characters, especially because of Hopper's late daughter Sarah. Apparently many main characters will die in volume 2, so I think that might make up for Hopper returning? Idk, I just know that season 2 and 4 are my favorites because to me they're the darkest ones and I love that kind of genre.

@ava-vm7et

Жыл бұрын

Yea the California Crew plot line was very boring especially Jonathan, he was nvr my favorite from the beginning but they did him so dirty this season

@whimsy_vision

Жыл бұрын

cAn u recommend some similar series/movies with a dark genre

@duck-ew5zs

Жыл бұрын

@@ava-vm7et Yeah, the high on weed bits were funny but they kinda did him dirty by giving him less time this season after the previous season where he's kinda just following Nancy around and being.. there.

@AirQuotes

Жыл бұрын

Argle is getting no love it's bizarre and suzie is at least doing something. But yer the rest of the CC are boring/pointless

@bruh-id7md

Жыл бұрын

@@whimsy_vision watch DARK

I wish Will played a bigger part in this whole grand scheme. I feel like everything that happened to him was just kinda…forgotten? Pushed to the side? I feel like they could do so much with Will’s character and don’t bc they clearly don’t care about him anymore

@lenakingsleigh

Жыл бұрын

So true!

@leahlewiswashere

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@oliviajefcoat3132

Жыл бұрын

I almost feel like that’s going to be his arc. Like he’s been pushed aside for so long and I think he’s finally going to get his moment at the end and the others will understand or something similar to that. But that’s just my lil theory :))

@miramelander586

Жыл бұрын

SO TRUE!! I feel like he’s been benched by the writers which is unfair to his character and the undoubtedly intense trauma he went through in seasons one and two. I really hope they explore his character more in volume 2 and in season 5.

@lopezcarmencecilia

Жыл бұрын

Something will happen in the last episode regarding Will's drawing...

I completely, 100% agree with the Hopper one. I shed literal tears for HOURS after hearing the "keep the door 3 inches open" from his letter. And then finding about the post credit scene later, "the American" just took that overwhelming feeling away. But hey, he's alive, I hope we get to see him and Joyce being parents to kiddos.

"Chrissy this is for you" *not emotionally effected by Chrissy's death whatsoever*

Why does everyone forget that Will had a parasite. He was infected by an intelligent enemy, luring others in to look for him. As far as the story, its all leading up to a showdown with Vecna, who uses your depression against you. Eleven is lying to friends and lashing out, Will is depressed, they are both connected to the upside down.

@chaneh1887

Жыл бұрын

YES THANK YOU🙌

@KendallM0219

Жыл бұрын

Then can you explain why the kids she met who were also experiments like she was are now suddenly dead? Was that an alternate universe or something? I'd like to know. Thank you

@octosalias5785

Жыл бұрын

@@KendallM0219 Yeah I have no idea. I personally hated the X-Men stuff and thats probably why they are leaving it forgotten.

@lilipen7499

Жыл бұрын

@@KendallM0219 didn't 001 kill them? He tried to kill everyone but him and el because he felt they were connected to each other. Clearly he didn't succeed because brenner and 008 and I'm sure some others are still alive but yeah that was his intention.

@Deadput

Жыл бұрын

@@KendallM0219 Their not dead though and only 8 was a Hawkins experiment.

I do wanna address your comment on hopper and how them “bringing him back” made his death not mean as much. If I recall at the end of the third season they actually hint that he is alive. The Russians mention an “American” and for me I wondered if either Billy or Hopper survived somehow. So they weren’t necessarily just bringing him back as a last minute decision, it was clearly something planned since the last season

@6Kubik

Жыл бұрын

Look again at the scene. This prison is actually a different one. Hoppers cell looks different but he goes to this prison in vol. 2. So we still do not know who is the american.

@rainyparade7867

Жыл бұрын

@@6Kubik I think that's likely because that prison design was made for a post credit scene years before this one, so while that's not impossible, it's more likely they changed the design, not that it's a different prison.

@remyuk

Жыл бұрын

@@6Kubik shows retcon things all the time. the prison in season three was probably a small set built specifically for that scene while they're using an actual prison for season four. of course it looks different.

@blaziismaezii426

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure he's pointing at them bringing Hopper back, not the decision being rushed , basically saying it would've been better if he just died there after his heartbreaking sacrifice

@crashiecorbashie

Жыл бұрын

it still doesnt change the fact that bringing hopper back destroys all emotional impact in the finale season 3

I quite liked Stranger Things S4… as it’s own standalone series that had nothing to do with the previous three seasons. It feels like the first two seasons were exploring the first idea the showrunners had for the reasoning behind the upside down and then the fourth season was them exploring a totally different narrative. Like, in this one, Vecna picks on people with trauma and lifts them into the air to kill them, but in the first season, people were killed and/or brought into the upside down randomly?! what relation had the demigorgon to Vecna, I don’t feel like that was ever adequately mapped out.

@febbledebble

Жыл бұрын

To be fair there's still one season left for everything to be wrapped up. The writers are apparently planning to make season 5 as big as season 4, so it'll have enough time to cram all the answers in and tie up final character arcs.

Mike in s2: I’ll sacrifice for Dustin by jumping in the water :) Mike in s4: imma not care about Dustin anymore 🥱

@elliereed9890

Жыл бұрын

Mike about to jump into the water happened in series 1

@Tweek_reallylovesCraig

Жыл бұрын

@@elliereed9890 damn I didn’t know 🤭

@RhettMueller864

Жыл бұрын

Wdym lmao he’s obviously still great friends with him in season 4

Jonathan really got sidelined this season. I don’t care about him and sometimes forget he exists 😭 Honestly the California group really hasn’t done much besides moping around in the house and running from some evil government dudes who tried to kill them, because of Eleven. I kinda like the Russia storyline mainly because of the dynamic between Joyce and Murray. We all knew Hopper wasn’t dead after season 3, plus they revealed in a teaser 3 years ago that he’s in Russia so I wasn’t worried. Overall I still really like this season. What song is saving y’all from Vecna?

@sehalos

Жыл бұрын

Jonathan get sideline because of Netflix doesn't really like Charlie Heaton. He got caught bringing cocaine from UK to Cali (bad PR for Netflix). But they cannot just erase his character so they sideline him this season. I hope they don't ruin season 5 plot out because of this

@airakimgad9745

Жыл бұрын

@@sehalos how much y'all wanna bet that's also why Steve's a homewrecker this season too and may actually be a Stancy endgame 🥲

@BELIEVER78989

Жыл бұрын

@@sehalos Charlie did what now, this is news to me💀

@BELIEVER78989

Жыл бұрын

@@airakimgad9745 the whole Stancy storyline is cringe

@Th0mat0

Жыл бұрын

@@sehalos they’re probably gonna kill him off now that I think about it.

His "Joker" moment was when he read his parent's mind and found out what monstrous things they had done. Henry had probably been gleaning terrible inner thoughts from people for years.

@faithkurtz1656

Жыл бұрын

Didn't he also believe humanity was a disease and it was up to him to "cleanse" the world or something like that?

@zaxbitterzen2178

Жыл бұрын

@@faithkurtz1656 That came after

@faithkurtz1656

Жыл бұрын

@@zaxbitterzen2178 ah okay. I've only really watched bits and pieces haha thanks for clarifying

@shaharkit9472

Жыл бұрын

so then why did he kill the other experiments? why did he spare specifically Eleven? does he want her to join in .. killing people? does he want to take over the world?

@zaxbitterzen2178

Жыл бұрын

@@shaharkit9472 He's naturally nihilistic, and nearly half of the experiment's wanted to kill eleven because they were jealous. In a dark, twisted way I think he wanted to protect her and become a mentor.

After watching the show I hated Jason significantly more than Vecna. To this day if I come to dislike somebody I will make a point of how much I dislike them by saying they're up there with Jason. For some reason Vecna just didn't emotionally scar me the way Jason did. Ya know?

@azure113

Жыл бұрын

you have religious trauma? that was the case for me and he hit a very specific nerve

@ellsybellsy.

Жыл бұрын

yeah, i know XD personally, i couldn't take Vecna seriously with the way he looked - the things he did were horrific, but on the other hand... there was Jason. i mean, like the person below me, Jason constantly saying Eddie was a devil worshipper hit a nerve in me. i consider myself a Christian, and for him and the show in general to use that to hate on a specific character just- UGH it was hard to watch. stupid portrayal of the community. even if it was historically accurate... i dunno. it got to the point where Jason just seemed more like he was going insane and hellbent on revenge as the season went on and it's super hard to feel bad for him because we didn't know about him and Chrissy that much!! idk if that makes sense. ive been rambling. yeah, i do agree with you lol

@emeshamckinney244

Жыл бұрын

@@azure113 Not religious trauma. I am a Christian and so that aspect of it did hit a nerve, but it was moreso that I get very invested in characters and the fact that Jason got away with everything he did, and then stepping on Max's headset. Additionally, because we didn't know very much about Chrissy and Jason's relationship I wasn't invested or understanding of his character.

@azure113

Жыл бұрын

@@emeshamckinney244 i can see how that can hit a different nerve for a christian! for me, it made sense that he didn’t get consequences as people like that rarely ever do. i understand what you mean about not caring about his character too but for me he was just a nuisance. i didn’t even care enough to want to know about his relationship with her.

@rodzila8314

Жыл бұрын

@@ellsybellsy. Bro, they found his girlfriend complete disfigure in Eddie house and every time he is near this guys people start to levitate in the air and die having zero context of the other world. Why wouldn't he think they were fucking with the devil 🤣 the guy was an asshole and over the top, but give him a break lol. As for Vecna, dude was training his whole life and get smash both times he fight a teenager that star doing this shit yesterday. Hard to see him as a threat

Mike is personally my favorite character but i feel like over the seasons they just developed him into a main love interest stuck between a love triangle between him, eleven, and will. (Except there is no love between will and eleven for obvious reasons). I really want them to do more with his character in season 5 as I feel like they havent even dedicated that much time into his story. If anything, i think they gave nancy the spotlight between them. Mike is very overhated and i really hope to see him have a redemption arc in season 5

@fart63

Жыл бұрын

Mike is probably my favorite character as well. People hate on him for reasons I cannot see. He has always been a good boyfriend and an emotional kid. The show has been giving him less and less importance since season 2. People have dogged on him since season 3 for absolutely no reason. He was a great boyfriend in season 3; going with El everywhere, spending as much time as possible with her when she couldn’t stay out late, until max influenced el to split from him, and was still the only character concerned for her well-being. Hopper treated both of them terribly. I have never seen this love triangle aspect for the three kids. There has never been a time where mike displayed any seemingly romantic feelings for will. He has always been with eleven, he has always acted like he wants eleven. It was never a back and forth like with Nancy, Jonathan and Steve. It wasn’t even until last season where anybody saw them together, even still it’s very much 1 sided (poor will, nobody cared about him until knowing he was gay)

@Camilla550

10 ай бұрын

@@fart63 Sorry but I don’t agree with it being one sided regarding Mike and Will having feelings for each other. The way Mike spoke with Will in his bedroom when they were packing and sitting on the broken sofa in Hopper’s cabin? Plus the whole van scene? The way Mike was looking and speaking with Will was not just ‘friendly’, can you imagine Lucas and Dustin looking and talking to each like that? Plus Mike and El’s relationship is incredible unhealthy. They can’t be themselves around each other, they lie to each other constantly and we’ve never had any scenes where they’re getting to know each and just enjoying each other’s company. They’re either just kissing or arguing!

@thatguyap_

9 ай бұрын

Fax I like how he was kinda like the leader of the party in the 1st and 2nd season and now he's just boring

@brunetyannick1174

9 ай бұрын

@@Camilla550 Well I see it as : "You're my friend first and foremost, but I am not comfortable at all with you being gay and having feelings for me, all the while trying not to show it and respect said feelings." The van scene was really nice in this respect. Love nuanced acting like this, not only me-cry because happy me cry because sad reheated 100 times until stale that they tend to give us in s3 s4...

@angie_gwiliza9018

8 ай бұрын

This is an interesting conversation because I remember going blind into season one, there's one scene that happens at the very beginning, when the 4 boys are leaving Mike's house just before Will goes missing. I felt the vibe between Will and Mike right there when they were saying goodbye, and I was like oh these 2 will date in the future. Then some scenes later Eleven was introduced as Mike's love interest so I forgot about the whole Will & Mike dynamic. For this reason, I do disagree with people saying Mike doesn't love Will, I see Mike as someone who is probably Bi because although he loves El, he definitely cares about Will in a more than friend way. The way he acts with him, you'll never see him act that way with Lucas/Dusty. But again, I understand why some people (especially straight people) would not feel the mutual interest vibe because for straight people you put two opposite sex characters on screen for 1 minute and they will assume they're love interests but for put same-sex characters and the same people are always in denial to the point where they want it to be spelled out that the characters love each other.@@Camilla550

I always assumed Will had bad bowl haircuts to show that his family was basically too poor to afford real haircuts, so Joyce just used the classic bowl style which she could do herself.

@person4280

Жыл бұрын

The hair stylist for the show actually said this was the inspiration for their haircuts, that Joyce had just done them herself.

@omarmansuri7099

Жыл бұрын

I'm shocked Will isn't just as if not more bullied than El due to his haircut. Like If that kid walked into my highschool with that haircut, bullies would have a field day with him

@user-xt3nq4wj2u

Жыл бұрын

@@omarmansuri7099 It was a normal haircut in the 80’s.

@nobodysodontask588

Жыл бұрын

Oliver Tree's long lost brother eyy

@onesweetangel1017

Жыл бұрын

@@omarmansuri7099 Will was bullied in the previous seasons but not for his appearance. People called him “zombie boy” for being pronounced dead but then coming back and also was called “queer” and other names by people believing he is gay.

With the Mike point, it's possible that he just matured past that. Like, when he was a kid seeing his bullies get beat up was awesome, but now that he's older he realizes how messed up it is. I totally agree that his character is basically pointless now though lol.

@yubelwish

Жыл бұрын

Yep and that they can get charged for assault

@4everbuffylover

Жыл бұрын

It wasn’t just being beat up either. She smacked that girl hard in the face with a skate. I thought she was gonna cave in her face

@crook574

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he necessarily matured past it, Mike's bully was about to kill him and El's bully is just your typical highschool bully.

@limeish8467

Жыл бұрын

Not ”messed up” to hurt a bully

@tigress_4393

Жыл бұрын

exactly, I thought the same thing

I think my biggest complaint with stranger things is that they refuse to kill anyone from the main cast unless they’re introduced that same season or an antagonist. Barb was the only character with an excuse for that since it was impossible for her to have been introduced any earlier than she was. It also bugs me that any time an established main character has “died,” it’s been a fake out, like with hopper at the end of season 3 or max at the end of season 4. Going into season 4 i had a really strong feeling that a main character would actually die, so strong that in the graveyard scene with max and when steve was attacked by demobats i genuinely panicked about whether they would make it out. And then at the end that all finally paid off when max started floating off the ground with no music around to save her, and i cried so hard that i had to stop watching for several minutes to calm down. And then i hit play and it cuts to el saying “no” and i knew that she would save max, and it just pissed me off. It makes me feel like an idiot and i refuse to get so worried about the main characters again because now i know that the duffers dont have the guts to kill off an important character like that

@anarchistgoddess6492

Жыл бұрын

the writers have to stop introducing new side characters just for the sake of killing them off so they don’t have to kill off the main characters. They also give the side characters more personality than the main ones so I would care more about their deaths than some of the main characters. Like Bob and the Russian scientist, Alexi. Their deaths hurt more than Lucas or Mikes would tbh lol. Because they add too many characters before ever fleshing out the main ones. So now you just have a bunch of characters no one gives a crap about. Literally all side characters have more personality than the main ones. Argyle, Billy (a bad personality is still a personality lol), Eddie, Murray, etc.

finally some respect on dustin's name 🙏🙏🙏 the way dustin has had pretty much zero character development besides becoming increasingly more hot-tempered each season and still manages to be the best character in the show is insane to me. gaten is truly such a talented actor and he does really well at playing comedic characters like dustin or jared in dear evan hansen, but i also love that he's able to take it much more seriously and play a character that is so batshit insane and fucked up in the head like michael in honor society. i'd love to see him cast as a serious takes-no-shit evil mastermind supervillain in a superhero movie, i think he'd pull that off really well and it would be a fun contrast since in real life he is the most passive and non-threatening person on earth lmao

@jessirhodes704

Жыл бұрын

i agree fully except gaten didn’t play jared in dear evan hansen

@SilverstreamPJ28

Жыл бұрын

@@jessirhodes704 yes he did?

@crackle6875

10 ай бұрын

My searches pulled up that he was part of the final cast for Dear Evan Henson & that his role was Jared, but I think he was the backup actor for the character. There’s some KZread clips with him in the play.

@dezzydream

10 ай бұрын

@crackle6875 no he was the main one!

My dad summarized the first few episodes of this season perfectly: it starts off as a romantic comedy for high schoolers and ends like a psychological horror

@rommix0

Жыл бұрын

@@aureum7479 Your dad is even more off base. He gave birth to you.

@PurgPurg

Жыл бұрын

Maybe true but to me it was mainly a romantic comedy with spooky dark drama all the way through

@marikhadlin3835

Жыл бұрын

yes

@KamikazeChinaman

Жыл бұрын

It never ceased to be a romantic comedy.

@13Kr4zYAzN13

Жыл бұрын

I mean honestly...the show is just _like_ that lol

what confuses me about Mike is that he’s literally witnessed Eleven commit multiple crimes (shop lifting, murder, etc.) but her hitting a bully in the face with a skate is where he draws the line???? What????

@Th0mat0

Жыл бұрын

She did do it in public which could’ve gotten them in trouble abit Mike’s reaction is still weird

@yubelwish

Жыл бұрын

People grow and mature especially when you're at the age where you can get charged

@SooyeonIdle

Жыл бұрын

He’s a hypocrite

@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy

Жыл бұрын

To be fair hitting someone in the head so hard that they need a paramedic is far worse morally than shoplifting is LMFAO (even if the victim was your bully) but yeah, eleven has literally killed people before so not sure why mike was so surprised

@katrinaisley6088

Жыл бұрын

@@FirstnameLastname-zq8oy that is true- I get having a reaction towards it especially because of how publicly it happened but it just threw me off how big the reaction was initially

Personally I think the biggest issue with season 4 is the simple fact that the younger actors are no longer able to pass for the age of the characters that they portray. In seasons 1-3 the main child actors were close enough in age to their characters (I think Noah and Millie were actually younger than their characters) that they could pass for that age. Then the pandemic happened, production was shutdown, and actors got older. However, the characters didn’t really get older, they simply started the next school year. So in season 4 it’s obvious that the younger actors are no longer close in age to their characters.

@SoilKilonova

Жыл бұрын

There's giant shadow monsters and other dimensions but CLEARLY the part of the show that is unbelievable is the actors looking a bit older

My question about this show is WTF HAPPENED TO WILL’S DOG?

@wib6044

20 күн бұрын

😂😂😂. I think I remember my wife being bothered by this when it first came out. I think she said it got to be too much. Time/budget concerns during filming and that was an easy cut. They say in the film business never work with animals or kids…I guess they could only deal with one of those. 😂🤣

Satanic panic was a real thing in the 80's therefore Jason's story line was waaaaaay more relevant than we give it credit for, which I understand cuz we don't like him but understand that in the 80's, a lot of people were actually calling DnD a cult and was regularly said to have claimed the lives of multiple innocent young people. (Idk how true it is that some kids used DnD as an excuse, I'd have to do more research about it, but it seems highly unlikely and parents were worried about their "poor children's brain rotting" so they made up some silly lie about the game that more than likely turned up a few real cases causing real panic amongst parents and children alike) Holy crow 1.1k likes? I'm famous y'all lol

@ramflight

Жыл бұрын

There's even a bad, really bad movie with Tom Hanks about how D&D turns your mind into jelly and makes you crazy.

@MaiiOrduna

Жыл бұрын

@@ramflight what movie?

@ramflight

Жыл бұрын

@@MaiiOrduna Mazes and Monsters. No joke, that's the name.

@MaiiOrduna

Жыл бұрын

@@ramflight lmao, I'll check it out thanks!

@sarasunshinemt4444

Жыл бұрын

I remember the rumors and "common" sense from that time; that some kid committed suicide after his D&D character died or that a bunch of teens were ritualisticly killing animals and young kids, etc I was born in 1978 so I was a preteen when most of this crap went down. Made an impression on how the media (who hyped the ever lovin' SHIT out of these rumors) were able to turn normal logical people into paranoid reactionaries. Back then, we absolutely trusted the media. Nowadays...well, we damn sure know better.

for eleven, i think the whole point was that after hoper “died”, she started trauma blocking even more of her already limited memory. i feel as if her season two and three story lines show how dependent she was on hoper, and having him stripped away from her like she was would definitely cause trauma (especially considering the circumstances), and she’d block more and more of her memory to keep herself safe. it makes sense she wouldn’t remember opening the gate considering she was so young and already messed up at the time of the incident. i think this was over all a pretty good season, one of my only complaints is how many different story lines they were following at a time, it was a bit difficult to follow everything, and i wish they had focused a bit more on the california crew, but other then that i feel like volume two will most likely tie up any other (seemingly) lose ends

@maem7462

Жыл бұрын

I will agree the multiple different storylines was a bit wonky. I kinda felt like once 11 left they were like oh what do we do with Will, Mike, Jonathan, and Argyle. The stuff that happens is kinda fun but that storyline was a very different tone than the rest of the somewhat more serious but still had funny moments especially in that moment when most the rest of the story was serious

@leahrose4

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I’ve kind of had enough of the California storyline and Jonathan and Mike are two of my favourite characters. Also with Eleven, I feel like she’s always been dependent on Hopper and Mike, like when in season 3 max was telling her she can be dependent without them and make her own decisions, but she still depended on them. So I think her losing Hopper, and not even being able to do anything to stop him ‘dying’, affected her a lot. And the fact that Mike stopped saying he loved her and didn’t write it in those letters affected her, on top of everything with the bullies, probably made her feel so useless and unwanted. And with the whole Kali thing, Eleven and her were so different, with Kali wanting revenge and Eleven showing mercy when she saw that that man had children, that Kali’s method of anger wouldn’t necessarily always work for Eleven, but at that time she probably felt like she let Kali down because she didn’t kill him

@THEMOCU

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what i wanted to say!!

@TheHedgehogGiraffe

Жыл бұрын

I don’t mean to sound rude, and if my experience doesn’t align with yours please let me know! But I’ve never had trauma memory blocks that I could establish AFTER I had already knowingly had that memory. Only ones that I know are in place but willingly keep there for my own safety. But if the memory stuck, it’s there. No matter how badly I’d love to forget it, it will never not be there. If trauma from Hopper’s disappearance blocked her memory, it would have been from the time in which that particular trauma occurred. At least that’s how it’s been in my experience. I agree with Alex that this feels a bit cheap, and it was definitely not where they thought the story was going in season 1. It’s just that as the show gained traction, they tried to shift the story for a more blockbuster audience. Understandable, but it disallowed the development the characters had already had from feeling like it was meaningful or important.

@SemmoSimo

Жыл бұрын

Hoper???

Season 4 was kinda distant but it gave us few of the most loved characters, Eddie and Venca or Henry Creel or Peter Ballard, the actors did a great job and are getting the recognition they deserve

Something that my dad pointed out is that in season 1 she cannot speak. She can only say a few words. I think it was just a given that they didn’t talk a lot, and they focused more on experimenting than education. What doesn’t make sense is that in season 4 we see that Brenner talks all the time, and other test subjects talk to her a lot too. I know that the other kids have probably just as much trauma as her, but why is she like the only one who can’t speak??

@beliviamckinnon144

Жыл бұрын

from what we know, eleven goes into a comatose state after defeating one. so i'm guessing it was almost like a stroke, where she lost certain memories and the ability to fully speak. and then, due to brenner being focused on her trying to find one, he probably prioritized experimenting over education

little tip: if u r watching a series and along the way new random characters are introduced don't get attached. 70% of the time they are introduced to be used as sacrificial lambs for the storyline.

@oliviarod9585

Жыл бұрын

yep i'm scared for eddie

@arfansthename

Жыл бұрын

let's see... bob... billy... alexei... yeah checks out

@oprincesslivie02

Жыл бұрын

Alexei 🥲

@AzzyRiah

Жыл бұрын

Lmfaooo facts cause I wanted Chrissy to live at least a few minutes longer💀

@alethiastafford6061

Жыл бұрын

It’s too predictable and it’s not as impactful unless it is a main character this season. It has to.

something i find funny is that Joyce really enrolled Eleven into a public high school when she spent almost her entire life in Hawkins lab and probably doesn't even know basic math. I doubt Dr. Brenner was teaching her what to do if Jerry gave Cindy 5 apples and he has seven how many does he have left?

@slumpbin

Жыл бұрын

LMFAOO

@naomi3948

Жыл бұрын

i honestly think it’s the best option she had. eleven spent most of her childhood abused and isolated, and she needs stability and to feel like a normal teenager. if she were to be homeschooled she would’ve felt even more alone and distant, and obviously you can’t put her in a class of 4th or 5th grader, so this was the best option. and besides, she said she is good at math and stuff, and the language gap is being closed slowly

@airakimgad9745

Жыл бұрын

@@naomi3948 also to add, Hopper by the end of the second season asked Dr. Owen if he could somehow make her (Eleven) live normally. I guess that was granted after his death and them moving away. I'd give the idea of maybe she was somehow prepped before going to a public school or rigged the system for her to advance and be on the same grade level.

@mafaldasantos8671

Жыл бұрын

@@airakimgad9745 I think it's implied in s2 and s3 that Hopper teached some basics to El

@airakimgad9745

Жыл бұрын

@@mafaldasantos8671 true but it showed more of him teaching her survival instincts than social skills i mean after all he is a cop trying to protect her but that also had a downfall seeing as he isolated her from the rest to protect her. It backfired when she had a tantrum moment and blew all the windowsill to pieces.

Season 1-2 were awesome compared to 3-4. The thing about 3 and 4 is that there was nothing mysterious about them anymore. They just ended up being too predictable and you knew that the characters wouldn’t die. Season 1 actually kept the main part of the story a complete mystery the whole way through. You never knew what was going to happen until you got to the last couple episodes. Now when you watch 3 and 4, you pretty much know what is going to happen because they are more focused on making the fan favorite characters as likeable as possible.

the memory loss thing is an actual thing called dissociative amnesia. it’s basically when things are so traumatic for a person their brain represses certain events. that’s probably also why elevens vocabulary was so poor in the first couple seasons. her loosing her memory is an actual psychological thing that happens to people that experience major trauma. All of the lessons she learned didn’t “not mean anything” because that’s why how she is now. she didn’t remember all of the lessons she learned because she repressed the memories. yeah it is a kinda sucky plot twist but it’s a very real thing that people go through. so all her development did matter still because that’s how she became who she is. Also one didn’t get his powers in the upside down he always had them. He probably unlocked them because he became “enlightened” or something. He has a mixture of all the kids abilities. So him going the upside down didn’t do anything except make him look like the grinch. also i hate mike he’s the worst character nobody can change my mind :) anyways idk if this explained anything lol

@crook574

Жыл бұрын

Mike is overhated

@sixfeetundertheradar6080

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I repressed a super traumatizing memory until I was a sophomore in high school. Honestly idk how I passed that year, but yeah I still don’t have the full memory or even if it was a more than once type of trauma. I’m 23 now, was 15/16 then and after years of therapy the full event is still not there. So it makes sense for Eleven who went through SO much

@fernthegreenfairy

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was hoping somebody would mention that, I have CPTSD and I don’t remember most of my childhood even extremely big life changes and events, I have no memory of, I was dissociated at the time or didn’t remember until repressed memories were triggered so it does make sense I also think Will would have severe PTSD, they even said at one point he did, yet in season 4 he doesn’t seem traumatised at all and he just sort of moves on which I find hard to believe with all the shit he went through that so soon afterwards he suffers from no trauma responses or lasting psychological damage, I mean he was possessed, they made his character so lame and one dimensional when his acting was so good in the first couple seasons, they should utilise it more

@humanbeing12319

Жыл бұрын

Nooo why do u hate Mike 🥺

@peppermint1349

Жыл бұрын

@@fernthegreenfairy PTSD can show different ways though I also have some form of it.. I go mostly not really being affected by it but some things MAY sometimes cause it to trigger me. I believe him going to another school futher away and living more normal life for a moment was helping him probably to not show the symptoms of his ptsd the same way. I am just assuming though so I can't really know for sure :) (also I hope you understand that I am not really disagreeing with you or trying to attack you in anyway) Also on another note I am sorry that you have had to go through things in the past to have developed the CPTSD. I wish you all the best

They kinda implied in 4 why 11 was weaker in 3. When she did that enourmous surge of closing the portal, it started her weakening, like getting a fractured leg, and after everything she had to do in 3, it's like the equivalent of continuing to work on a fractured leg and breaking it instead of properly healing. I did detest the retconning of her entire arc, and how kinda pointless her snapping and assaulting her bully was. It was just a convenient plot way to get her to be taken away. It would have been just as effective to have her be grabbed during the insanity of the shoot out. It would have left Mike feeling like more of a failure to protect her, and would have made sense why they are looking for the lab instead of a jail all of a sudden. Her being bullied in general and hiding it made sense, she was the tough can handle literal monsters girl and now can't handle one ordinary teenager so she doesn't want to be seen as weak. But the excessiveness, the way the entire school joined in the bullying, it just made no sense. Why did they hate her so much? Will is weird, too, and they didn't show him being bullied. All of it was just handled poorly as a setup to remove her from the group. Adding 1 and having him manipulate a young 11 was perfectly fine, and they could have shown that negative emotions are what created the portal. There was no reason to have her memory loss as a result of it.

@Cakesblue74

Жыл бұрын

That's a super good point! I like the suggestions a lot, they definitely make more sense and would have made the plot a lot more impactful.

@GriffinZambia

Жыл бұрын

Dont read my name 😑 😒

@safcjoe7062

Жыл бұрын

@@supermegafoxyawesomehot2042 plus can people in general remember things when they were 8? Just normal things? Cos I can't.

@blakrar1206

Жыл бұрын

just something else, but when eleven uses her powers in three it visibly takes more effort, its most visible when she uses her powers to fight the flesh monster in the hospital i believe. idk but its just more evidence to that first point.

@reesewesley6118

Жыл бұрын

the memory loss thing is an actual thing called dissociative amnesia. it’s basically when things are so traumatic for a person their brain represses certain events. that’s probably also why elevens vocabulary was so poor in the first couple seasons. her loosing her memory is an actual psychological thing that happens to people!

The thing about Season 4 that really kept making me so angry and confused, and just made zero sense to me is the entire Hop in Russia story line ... don't get me wrong it was exciting and brought in some cool scenes and characters. But every single time the show cut to Hopper's story, I would get mad and be like, "this makes zero sense "... at the end of season 3 the entire mall was surrounded by military and police. And it was clear that joyce had told the military what was going on, so how the hell did the Russians who took hopper get out of there?... They literally just did a blah blah blah...RUSSIA! It's a great show, but sometimes they rush through some things that really need to be explained...and by doing the whole Hop and the Russians somehow escaped the mall and town surrounded by the army and police, they completely missed the opportunity to have had Hop and the Russians escape into the upside down to escape the blast... idk that plot hole just bothered me.

@wib6044

20 күн бұрын

Agree.I assumed they went through the portal. I did think the storyline was good though. Hard to watch, but the idea they all were battling one entity in three separate parts of the world was worth it.

I feel like Season 4 brings out some long running issues with the show. Too many characters, no tension cause nobody from the main cast can die, too many plots. If we let Hopper stay dead, then Joyce can replace Argyle and we can have a family journey with the Byres family, and Mike I guess. That’s only 3 plots. And yeah I agree that it’s kinda odd how literally EVERYTHING surrounding Vecna just comes out of nowhere. Like it doesn’t feel like it’s recontextulizing the show, it just feels like a retcon. And Eleven just forgets literally everything that happened. Oh also Mike sucks 😛 I still absolutely adore the show, and I love all the seasons, but there’s a bunch of issues. I hope Season 5 cuts down to the original cast more. Give Jonathan and the kids other than El and Max more stuff to do, with more interesting personal and character complexes.

@hennegivensunday

Жыл бұрын

Here’s my question does Mike suck or do you just have unfair double standards for the character?

Alex's points make sense but I still really like Season 4. It's much darker, much more dramatic than previous seasons. I will say that each season seems like it's supposed to be self-contained with only certain elements carrying over season to season.

@tshepomosili2599

Жыл бұрын

I agree...

@juliewestevents1567

Жыл бұрын

I don't think his points make sense tbh. I love this season.

@justaperson2236

Жыл бұрын

@@juliewestevents1567 it’s his opinion

@JesusGomez-ob2qt

Жыл бұрын

@@juliewestevents1567 they make perfect sense. This season is full of lazy writing and filmmaking. You just letting your enjoyment cloud your judgment

@ninatheinkling5748

Жыл бұрын

SAME

Unpopular opinion: I was actually really intrigued by jason, Chrissy and Eddie. All of their character arcs made sense, just wish we got to learn more about them

@KateJn

Жыл бұрын

Yeah same. Enzo is also really interesting to me I like his character. But Chrissy, Jason and especially Eddie they are all really interesting and I do also wish we got to know more about them

@Thingsandstuff17

Жыл бұрын

I like all of the new characters

@bharatsadhnani4370

Жыл бұрын

My opinion ( Warning spoilers ahead). I liked the new characters but el is so cringe her acting is over the top, I don't know why I laughed whenever el cried because she didn't show true emotion. Dustin crying hit me spot on after the bat things. ( I don't want to give anything away). El and mike don't make sense either because they had a falling out before in season 3, them being together seems out of place and to be honest the characters themselves didn't have the chemistry, hopper and Joyce seems so genuine, nancy was just plain annoying with steve and Jonathan. I didn't care for robin either. The only characters I cared for was Chrissy, eddie, Dustin, max, and lucas. The rest I didn't care if they lived or died. In fact I would be more happy of they had ripped off the band aid when vecna was killing max. But they gave el some healing powers for when convient. I also can't buy the fact the mind thing was controlled by vecna. It seemed too out of place. Also the show ended on a cliff hanger like WTF end this Fucking show netflix.

@Ruzz_.

Жыл бұрын

Eddie is a very good character

@xanander4693

Жыл бұрын

Then they alll die 💀

7:37 I agree. Dustin's the only one in the friend group who seems to actually be likeable all the time and have a major role. This kid could go on a killing spree and murder half of Hawkins, and I'd still root for him. Ntm his scenes with Steve are absolutely incredible, and rly show how far Steve has come.

@rorysvillage5769

Жыл бұрын

“This kid could go on a killing spree and murder half of Hawkins and I’d still root for him” *me in a nutshell*

i love the show but it’s getting too predictable to the point where we all know that the newly introduced characters each season die by the end of it. robin was lucky to make it out of s3 alive honestly.

@thatcorruptdino

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I honestly think they should have kept the character Alexei alive.

I would argue that the friend group splitting up may take away some of the heart and teamwork established in the earlier seasons, but it also symbolizes what happens when kids grow up and find themselves. As much as I don't like Mike, I agree with him when he says they can't just stay inside playing D&D together... they're going to go down their own paths someday.

@redscreen9347

Жыл бұрын

But I think they should’t have made the 4th season if it meant the characters would be separate because it makes it less enjoyable to watch

@coolbae1998

Жыл бұрын

But you don't have to be a jerrrk you know? Mike and Lukas are the kind of friends who get toxicly addicted to their girls and start ignoring everyone else, even if Will and Dustin got into more grown up stuff and made cool plans to do with their friends, Lukas and Mike would reject them cause they are jrrrks, specially Mike. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@CometCereal

Жыл бұрын

@@coolbae1998 At least Lucas developed from his character in S3 during S4, Mike pretty much got none of that lol.

@yewisemountaingoat528

Жыл бұрын

@@CometCereal Mike is arguably the dullest character of the show. I mean he claims he loves Eleven/Jane but is utterly inept at reading her mood when they get together again and mentions nothing about what exactly it is he supposedly loves in her. We are all just supposed to take him for his word. I care about the other characters to a larger or lesser degree but I'm fairly indifferent towards Mike,

@CometCereal

Жыл бұрын

@@yewisemountaingoat528 I couldn’t have said it any better. Mike was a good character in the first two seasons with an actual personality but after that he seriously dipped in quality. Also I agree, the way Mike feels for El seems to be an infatuation rather than love. In contrast, Max & Lucas’s relationship has had time to develop along with their characters and has the potential to be loving, while Mike & El’s relationship has remained stagnant with little development in relationship strength or individual character (on Mike’s part ofc).

you got everything wrong about Eddie. he did have a connection to the boys. Thats why Mike & Dustin were so upset Lucas was gonna miss DND & He begged them to talk to Eddie bc he also didn't want to miss it. they clearly admire Eddie & he's set up similar to their dynamic with Steve. an older male figure they admire & see as cool. Plus Eddie is clearly affected by Chrissy's death. he says himself he felt upset about leaving her. And Eddie is a character we care about. he's the fan favorite this season.

@NoFirstNoLastName

Жыл бұрын

Yea. Dude clearly didn’t pay attention the the details.

@remyuk

Жыл бұрын

i love eddie, but so far he's barely been in the show lmao. he's been hiding out for most of it. people only care about him because they have a crush on him.

@luanamulhern2973

Жыл бұрын

he was a fan favorite because he is hot. bro had a boring personality, didn't add a single thing to the show, just like argyle. when I ask people why they like eddie, they say "cause he's pretty" or "he's going to save nancy" as if it already happened. fr.

@aidenvanhuizen3005

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he’s like the alexei of season 4

@ceciliaslepmet4840

Жыл бұрын

Maybe not THE fan favourite but definitely a fan favourite

I agree with most of the points you made in this video, I just binge watched Stranger things This week knowing nothing about it prior and I definitely have a few issues with season 4. I feel like they just tossed out most of the character development from the previous 3 seasons. I Honestly think that the show could of ended with Season 3 and I would have been satisfied with the ending, even though I love Hoppers Character. Season 4 just doesn’t fit with the rest of the storyline. Also them completely forgetting about Will in seasons 3 and 4 is horrible, he could be so much more important to the storyline. And the whole 11 thing in season 4 doesn’t make much sense- She can’t talk basically at all in season one yet in her flashbacks she is having full conversations? And I personally think it’s pretty convenient to just have her forget everything that happened in the lab until it’s useful to the plot (I know she may have blocked it out because it’s traumatic, but she has memories of several other traumatic events). Overall I love the show, but season 4 doesn’t fit with the rest of the show in my opinion.

@tony9146

2 күн бұрын

Completely agree that Season 3 served as a great ending to the show. Season 4 just felt disjointed and a lot like that bad episode of Season 2.

@ilovekittens9987

2 күн бұрын

@@tony9146 glad I’m not the only one. It seems like a lot of people discovered the show from season 4 and it is praised as one of the best but in my opinion it loses a lot of what I loved about the early seasons.

This just gives more credence to show that seasons 1-2 were not the creation of the duffer bros, but rather the gentleman who sued the duffer bros.

About the new characters being added, I think most of them have been good. Chrissy even in her short screen-time, managed to make me care about her and it was heartbreaking to see her die. What I think they have done great is making us care about Eddie and Chrissy with such a limited amount of screentime in episode 1 only. That is why people care about Eddie because they have shown his fun unique personality and the bond with Dustin and crew with that DnD game. Among the others Argyle and the jock guy were ok. And actually Enzo is a really underrated character I think

@singingcoversweekly3108

Жыл бұрын

And although no one seems to care like with chrissy and Eddie, Fred was directly connected to a main character, Nancy. Because of his death which mirrored barbs in season 1 it brings up the old trauma for her which will probably be addressed in volume 2

@kimberleywilliams7802

Жыл бұрын

I like Enzo's Arc lol, he was kind of forced to grow when he got labeled as a Traitor, I started to really like him.

@trevor3013

Жыл бұрын

Even if you care, it doesn't mean they were written in a way to make us care.

@Eloweh

Жыл бұрын

Spoiler alert!!!! I cried when Eddie died, Crissy was cool I guess, Enzo was great, loved him, Jason (jock guy) was an interesting anti-hero he was fun to watch to be honest, when he was split in half I kind of felt bad because his girlfriend was killed and he thought he was doing the right thing, Argyle was funny until the other characters started to sigh at him, he became annoying in vol. 2 is what I’m trying to say, In the end I loved this season.

@apoorvsingh4459

Жыл бұрын

@@Eloweh Argyle was kinda better In Vol 2, he was actually quite useful eventually 😂

I think this is one of the first videos I’ve mostly disagreed with! There’s a lot of hidden details that tie into all of the other seasons and everything seemed to click more for me during this season. It’s not over yet so some plot holes will fs be fixed in the last two. There are also a lot of subtle hints in their playful dialogue, like all of the dnd scenes. But like with Will not getting powers in the upside down like 001, he’s different because he’s not like any of the doctors children. He didn’t have any powers to begin with. And eleven is shown slowly losing her powers as she gets weaker, which was the main point of this season. I will say that a lot of main characters were put on back burner, like Joyce and Jonathan, but I think that’s so we can build up more storyline with the others. I hate riverdale so I hope they never get to true riverdale format lol ETA: I also really appreciated the depth they’ve added to some of the characters. Like Will is starting to come to terms with his pent up feelings and resentment towards Mike that has been building up over the seasons, Lucas is trying to be accepted and well liked by the popular kids but also struggles with not being supported by his friends, Max is dealing with the trauma of watching her abusive brother die and dealing with her guilt. We also get to hear more of Hoppers storyline and how he had a family.

@CassidyDrew13

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree! Season 4 is probably one of my fav seasons so far… fingers crossed volume two ties it together well🤞

@peppermint1349

Жыл бұрын

Agreed a lot! Like for example for El getting bullied in the past well the thing is her traumatic experience wiped away that memory completely so she would not have remembered ever experiencing any bullying at all? Also Hopper being alive it was pretty much already implied on season 3 end when he ''died'' that he was still alive hence there was no body and also the shoes thing... also no one mentioning her opening the portal thing.. I actually don't think it was just her it was both her and 001 together that caused the portal to open (at least I believe this) And the world in upside down is probably the world 001 more or less created he said he wanted to create a better different world and I mean.. yea.. anyway why would no one mention her opening the portal before? Well if someone experiences a traumatic event that wipes their memory you actually can't just go and tell them or remind them just like that.. so of course why would they imply on it?? I LOVED the season.

@lucasdam37

Жыл бұрын

I feel like he is one of the only 4 peaple who didn't like season 4 XD

What he said about eleven is stupid, he obviously missed the fact that Mr.Bremer said Eleven fell into a comma, and lost her memory of everything except her powers. And what he said about the upside down being stuck in the past, was not because eleven sent one to the upside down, it’s because that’s the date of when will went missing. Will has something to with this because of his time in the upside down.

tbh i agree with the most things you said. For me this season doesn't feel like stranger things and it lost its charm and everything i loved in the previous ones. I couldn't care less about new characters and i was really sad how they handled Mike, Will and Jonahtan (even Hopper and Joyce tho) I think the show would be perfect if it ended at season 1. First season had the best writing that i've seen in a while and every season after lacks it.

Dustin, Steve, and Robin are the golden trio of the series. Whenever any of them are together, it is pure magic.

@SooyeonIdle

Жыл бұрын

I agree here

@wonderwalledit

Жыл бұрын

Yes robin is the real MVP

@duck-ew5zs

Жыл бұрын

The "I'll punch you so hard your teeth will fall back out" conversation on the car was funny af. Really felt like just two bros hanging around

@zhr171

Жыл бұрын

Dont forget Arica

@ChickenMccZoe

Жыл бұрын

@@zhr171 Erica's a hot fourth for me. If they'd used her a bit better in the earlier seasons, then yeah, absolutely. Robin, on the other hand, came in and *immediately* made a mark.

I have ptsd so I'm gonna come forward about the Eleven forgetting everything. This is a huge thing about ptsd. My trauma happened when I was 8-10 but I cannot remember it nor can I remember anything before 10. I remember bits and pieces but not enough for me to remember the fact I gave my little sister a scar at 7 (Which I don't believe I did). Hell I didn't even know what my trauma was until I turned 16. I think they did Eleven perfectly and the show did it well. That's like the only point I had to counter because I liked how the actress did it. Even having ptsd attacks and such throughout which are unseen. Though it did annoy me that it went out of no where, I still think it was fine. Nothing like Riverdale. Just wanted to say this piece just in case anyone was wondering. Also ptsd comes in many forms as well so even if one person can remember their entire trauma, some people forget their entire personality.

@CatLady1989

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!! You explained it so well and that's one of the main threads of season 4: trauma. Eleven and Max are the most clear cases, but all of them have it at this point and the writers finally are addressing it. I think all of their unresolved emotions and traumas are going to back fire at some point if it not on this season, in the next one. No one can get through all that this bunch of characters have experienced without one or two scars.

@katarzynarymszo929

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that comment! As a person who also experienced trauma and denied/forgot I felt the show portrait it quiet niecely this season and it's very pleasant to see other people who recognize it and bring awareness too how trauma works and can affect a person 😄💓

@Th0mat0

Жыл бұрын

@@anushka0987 people can relate with fictional characters with well written struggles + you are making up a fake argument against you in your own head because you only think you’re smart; snap back to reality 😊😊

@Th0mat0

Жыл бұрын

@@anushka0987 …or maybe you can not be an @$$whole who only cares when he’s hurt and learn how to stop being indifferent towards others struggles, let alone simple topics such as trauma (bad thing happen = person has hard time cope with life and bad memory reoccur random time). Also that half assed attempt at sarcasm is hella ironic since you clearly know damn well you were being ignorant yet your solution is to…project? What? Your opinion isn’t deep or dumb. It’s deep in dumb 😐

@fearraiser1692

Жыл бұрын

@@anushka0987 Hey so I read what you are saying and not to hate or nothing but ptsd isn't something you see and even then, El Dissociates and has paranoia which are two symptoms of ptsd. The writers expanded on it more this season but people with ptsd might not know they have it until it triggers which she didn't have triggers until now. You said I can't relate my experiences with fictional characters but ptsd is a real disorder and you saying it as a reason or excuse is invalidating many people with ptsd. I'm saying as someone with ptsd, I felt as though both Alex and many others should research it and it's many symptoms before saying the show did it wrong. If the show did it wrong then people must be comparing it to the real thing which is why I, as someone who has had it for 10+ years, am saying personally they did it fantastically. This is not an attack if it may seem like one just that I am comparing the show to the real life illness. Both max and el have ptsd and it's been shown multiple times as someone with ptsd.

One rule that Stranger Things has never, ever broken is no character will die who is on the good side and has also been on the show for more than one season. Which basically encompasses all the main characters. It's funny, because they hyped up the deaths for Season 4 so much before it came out, hinting and hinting and hinting that main characters would actually die. And yet, the deaths followed the same rule as all the other seasons.

The reason 001 got powers but not Will is probably because of what 011 did to him. Also it could be an effect of him being in the middle of dimension being created in real time right next to him

"Chrissy's death didn't effect him in any way." Eddie: "Chrissy, this one's for you." That's after beating himself up for not being able to do anything while she was being murdered and leaving her, and before sacrificing his life for others. Chrissy and her death had a big impact on him. Anyone who actually paid attention while watching the show would know that. It friggin' traumatized him.

@razorsharp1371

Жыл бұрын

This video was made before the left two episodes dropped, in part one be didn't really show much emotion towards Chrissie since he's on the run the whole time

@gucciman27

Жыл бұрын

@@razorsharp1371 he was fucking screaming at her death and he'd known chrissy since middle school so thinking that eddie wasn't affected by her death is a braindead assumption

@DLxxx

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but we only learn about that element of his character in Volume 2, and this video was made before that.

@handsonlova5315

Жыл бұрын

@@razorsharp1371 maybe he should have waited til the end of the season to avoid looking dumb lol

@JMC-xj8wr

Жыл бұрын

@@handsonlova5315 its not like mentioning chrissy's name once in 8 episodes makes it any better, honestly. his point still stands

I AGREE SO HARD WITH THE DISCONNECT OF SEASON 4!! I've just been sitting here trying to figure put why these new characters feel so unrelated to the rest of stranger things. So much so it almost feels like a different show or a spin off whenever they are on screen. And this is why!! They don't interact with the main cast like at all

@Ice.muffin

Жыл бұрын

So flawlessly true it's pretty incredible just like this video. Finally someone who's no stranger to the truth 🤭🤭. I wrote a leghty comment praising this video, it's beyond satisfying alongside comments like yours.

@unclespoon3228

Жыл бұрын

Fr I just struggle to even care with the new season compared to how invested i was in the earlier seasons

@takeaminute2144

Жыл бұрын

Like Suzie's "black sheep" sister. What was that? Suzie was already the black sheep of the family for loving Dustin on the sly. That character was so completely out of place with no one seeming to notice, that I thought it was 8 in disguise and infiltrating that family to meet up with the guys, to help save El. Or something.

@oxfopee

Жыл бұрын

Ohhh that must be why when Eddie & Chrissy were talking I was like “tf who are these randos and why are they in my show” it didn’t feel like stranger things at the moment😂

@gymnasticsgirlie0647

11 ай бұрын

@@takeaminute2144 That would have been SO much more interesting!

4:35 No, Alex is wrong. So in the 70's she sent 001 in the upside down(opened the gate) with the "screams of anger" that's why when he sent him to the upside down the upside down is red, now in the 80's(1983) she opened the gate with the "screams of sadness" so that's why the other upside down is blue. The color of anger is red, the color of sadness is blue but if you have the same powers as her and send someone in the upside down with the screams of anger you will instantly past out after 77 seconds and forget that you sent someone in the upside down, if you bring a book from 1986 and go to the red upside down it shows "1979" but if you go to the blue upside down it says "1983" so Alex is basically wrong. Also Eleven didn't remembered her mother she just discovers that she has a mother and tries to communicate with her.

@LNL-HesterFrida

10 ай бұрын

Wait, I’m so confused, there are two upside downs?????

I think the reason why S4 was kinda like all over place is because they didn't expect to make a 4th season they thought S3 would be the last season so they had to make up new story lines and monsters as for the eleven thing I think the story line for her powers is that she learns to use them and then she goes into to slowly losing them and then she has to get them again I agree there's a few problems with stranger things but overall it's one of the best series I've seen (especially coming from Netflix) im not sure if I'm correct that's just what a think , great video

I found it absolutely BIZARRE that Hopper broke both of his ankles yet he can run, jump and climb like nothing ever happened almost the very next episode and to my understanding, there was NOT that much time lapse in between each episode (if any at all). For some reason this really aggravated me. Probably more than it should have. I found myself constantly screaming at my tv “aren’t your ankles fucking broken?!?!” Meanwhile he’s running like it was nothing. No wincing, limping, pain, NOTHING.

@SHAX516

Жыл бұрын

Huh. Thinking over it most of the plotholes in the video are wrong but this one is legit and big, no running, no freezing, no infection , certainly no fighting demogorgons. On screen the wound is over the top side of his foot though. Nice catch either way

@danielsedan

Жыл бұрын

Yup...plus he literally spent a LOT of time in freezing temperatures. Prisoners in those Russian places suffered from very severe frostbite. Hopper is apparently invincible.

@miccia3561

Жыл бұрын

this genuinely bugged me because i literally had a broken pinky toe while watching season 4 and could barely walk down the stairs, like..not even a grimace..?

@justanormalguy1841

Жыл бұрын

Because he’s hopper.

@xholoxc014

Жыл бұрын

because plot

Eddie is honestly one the best things the show has added in awhile ( and that guitar solo tease for part 2 looks awesome)

@natashkaroos933

Жыл бұрын

That's what I'm sayinggggg

@Boa8128

Жыл бұрын

How

@phenomskllz2502

Жыл бұрын

Worst*

@Jhayzer021

Жыл бұрын

How?, he is barely in it until episode 7.

@nativenewyorker3144

Жыл бұрын

@@Boa8128 he’s become a fan favorite extremely quickly. He was a great misdirect character. They set up this aggressive, intimidating punk rock character who made you seem like it was another billy and he turns out to be a sweet, dork who likes music, board games, etc and who cares for his new friends.

I love how the writers are like “it absolutely positively ****HAS**** to be this way,” and I’m like does it, though?? Does it really??

Hooper would be my fav character but keeps getting by the idiot bat. Characters can do stupid things without it being bad, sometimes his mistakes make sense with his character, like continually leading Eleven on or without thinking getting angry and punishing her in a way similar to being put in isolation in the lab. It comes from him not knowing how to handle a situation like this and from a place of fear for her. Then you get shit like jumping into a fucking mysterious hole with no known exit that he has good reason to suspect could have monsters in it and not notifying anyone at all when he has a dependent.

That moment when he said “every scene with Dustin in it is the best scene of the episode, and when Dustin and Steve are together it’s just pure tv magic” is the moment I decided to hit the like button 😝

@little.faeling

Жыл бұрын

same bro

I'll preface this with: I understand why you'd feel this way and everyone's entitled to their own opinions. But here's my own opinion about some of the points you made. - I do think Eleven's character arc is a little repetitive, tbh, but I don't think the Vecna thing reverses any of her character development. If anything we're just reinforcing how her powers work while also learning more about her. Whenever she over exerts she has to go back to the basics, so when she loses her powers entirely, she has to go back even further. When she sends Vecna off into the Upside Down, it's possible she didn't just "open a portal" but that she actually created the whole fuckin' place. Leaving 001 the opportunity then to sort of be the first to connect with it and shape it. It's also possible that it's frozen the next time the portal opens because Will (the first to be taken) had an influence over it, or maybe Vecna just finally had an opportunity to connect back with this world, but we still haven't had an explanation for that so I wouldn't say it's a plot hole yet, just a plot point. - I'm going to hazard a guess that the characters act dumb because they're no older than 14-15. Why did Mike think it was epic when El hurt his bullies, but not her own? Probably because in the moment, he was thinking selfishly, as well as the fact that I'm pretty sure the bullies were threatening him and his friends, making fun of Will's death, and had been likely torturing them for years whereas he only learned within that afternoon that Angela was a bully and not El's friend. Mike's character arc this season isn't fully done but it seems to me that he's coming to terms finally with El being her own human and not an idealized person he had in his head, and it's possible he actually doesn't love her in the romantic sort of way. Idk. Will also deserve more screentime imo but he's kind of quietly been going thru character development, getting a bit bolder across the seasons, I'm guessing vol2 will give him the big catharsis of a coming out scene so that'll give people more to chew on. I also actually really liked Mike and Will's interactions this season because they were incredibly close s1 & s2, so we finally get to see them back together and close after Mike's asshole arc in s3. I can see why people might find them boring if they're not as invested in that friendship though. - The gang all being seperated does suck and some of the extra characters like Jason are not very interesting, but I don't understand how Eddie isn't "related to the main characters". He's directly shown to be a role model for Dustin and Mike in the episode he's introduced, and then further is integrated pretty well into the Dustin/Steve/Robin group. Also Chrissy and Fred pretty much immediately die, they're basically filler/side characters to show how Vecna works which has been done across all of the seasons, so I don't get what's wrong with them. Jason is most annoying, and Argyle feels unnecessary to me, but most of the other added characters serve some kind of function. I have a feeling that this "season" might feel half baked right now to you because, well, there's still like 3 or 4 hours of content left to go when vol2 drops. We haven't gotten everyone's character arcs to finish yet and we also don't know how many people are going to die in the finale, not do we know the full lore about certain things. Vecna's monologue was kind of a lore dump but it was also only from his own manipulative mouth, so he could still be hiding shit we've yet to find out. I think s4 is one of the stringer seasons but it is a little too bloated for its own good, but I also think sometimes people are forgetting shit like... The ages of the main characters, or the fact that it's actually realistic for characters to have flaws. .... Okay that's all I'm just too invested in the show for my own good, congratulations if you read all that.

@sto1239

Жыл бұрын

This is great

@shehz

Жыл бұрын

Your first point, It's obvious that El didn't create the Upside Down and I don't know why people assume so - I do agree that the whole Vecna thing doesn't reverse her character development, but in reality she hasn't received a single development this season really, which is just as bad. Your second point, I agree with. Your third point, I would sort of disagree and say Jason is some what interesting because we finally get a character that isn't knowledgable of the upside down just as we and the other characters are, but is just as involved. In my opinion, makes him extremely realistic, imagine your girlfriend dying and the person who was there with her just disappears? He'll most likely not die this season and get a 'redemption' arc of some sort, people hating on him are just weird ass people. (not saying you do but in general, people do). Eddie isn't really a main character only because he's been in 1 season, same logic would be applied to Bob who was only in 1 season, he wasn't a main character. Likewise Eddie isn't. Overall it's a great season, just depends heavily on how it ends. If no major character dies then I'll be disappointed.

@shehz

Жыл бұрын

If eddie does come out of this season alive, he'll be part of the main cast I guess.

@goblin85wenttospace7

Жыл бұрын

It's okay bro I am also incredibly invested and I also came to the conclusion that El made the upsidedown. Ive also been watching the season purely from a PTSD and mental illness point of view and it's kinda incredible how much detail they put into the show. Like in ep. 1 season 4 when Max is walking to the councilor's room and looks at the group of friends, the couple kissing, and then Lucas. Are all things she gained in season 2&3 but lost because of the burden of Billy's dealth. Then when Vecna tries to kill her, her flashbacks reflect what she lost. On a completely different side note, it feels like in this season they were going for a traditional Halloween vibe. With the creepy manner, the bats, graveyard, red creepy fog, spiders, also Fred and agiles song, Tbh it all felt like Scooby doo. I wish I could articulate more stuff but eh this is just a KZread comment

@finpin2622

Жыл бұрын

@@shehz I'm not entirely tied to the "El created the UD" theory, but I am curious as to how it's incredibly obvious that it's not true. Right now it seems still up for debate. I'd at least say if she didn't create it, she's probably the first person to access it or bring it closer to the 'real world', since it seems so unformed when 001 is sent in there. And yeah I'd agree that El hasn't had much character growth yet- from interviews the idea seems to be that she'll grow more autonomous this season, so I hope in vol2 we'll see how that manifests. On the Jason point- his reaction to losing his girlfriend is realistic, but he's still an asshole who's gone too far. Like when he started beating up Eddie's bandmates, he had no reason to assume they were at all involved in Chrissy's death aside from just knowing Eddie. And then launching into his whole "D&D is a cult" thing and leading a mob against a group of other teens... Basically he's kind of gone off the deep end. I can see why he'd behave like he does but that doesn't always mean it's good/justified. He's also sort of a symbol of the theme of this season- "forced conformity, that's what's killing the kid", he's the enforcer of the status quo. I'd have to assume he's going to die this season tbh. Also I just think they spend too much time on his storyline that could be spent elsewhere & we'd still end up understanding his motivations. You're allowed to like him but I don't think it's all that weird that people would hate his character since he's kind of the mini/human villian of the storyline.

My complaint comes from vecna himself. Retcons almost all of El's arc, has absolutely no real motives to be a villain, is the least intimidating design, rarely threatens the main cast, then promply gets gunned down by people who never heard of him until then, then just Michael Myers his way out of the plot

Mike was told that Angela was El’s friend, he was just confused and didn’t know what el was going through

@Kralovstvi_Kecupu

Жыл бұрын

Finaly some one has rly watched it

I love how Alex says “Chrissy, a new character who we don’t care about, who dates Jason, who we don’t care about, and starts hanging out with Eddie, someone we don’t know yet” Alex knows we care about Eddie.

@leaveitome3407

Жыл бұрын

I caught that too. 👍

@yendyss

Жыл бұрын

I love Eddie so fricking much ahhh

@noone3216

Жыл бұрын

Eddie is close to being the audiences grounding point in this season. We could've just focussed on him for s4 and had the others doing their thing as B-plots in the background.

@ntsh96

Жыл бұрын

@@yendyss f

@kimberleywilliams7802

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY cause I was about to say something WE DO care about Eddie.

To be fair, the government shipped Eleven and the Byers across the country into witness protection to get away from the shenanigans of the earlier seasons. The freakout, at least to me, was because even Mike was all, "Dude, you cant be doin this. Gotta keep it on the downlow."

@MariaSantos-cm2bb

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say they are under a witness protection program, all of them still use their real names except for El who wasn't even registered and all of them still keep in touch with people they knew before they moved and they even consider going back to hawkins to visit (this time mike went to california to see how El's life was there but nancy and jonathan discussed the possibility of jonathan going there)

Wow. You are minimizing his trauma of being an outcast and NEEDING spiders to be friends. I can't believe you.

Not Alex pulling the classic parent "I'm not mad, I'm just *overly dramatic sigh* disappointed" card.

It really annoys me how they are making so many minor or extra characters with borderline or full on psychopathic traits, or at best 0 critical thinking. Even Elle's bully made fun of her dad being dead and and all the other school kids did nothing or were on board. Not one person would at least approach her privately about how messed up that was, not even a teacher? She also made it her full-time job to make her life a living nightmare and harass her with the potential to get expelled and/or sent to juvenile detention for what exactly? Then there's that jock who somehow got the entire town on board to kill children with absolutely no evidence besides circumstantial. like why take characters to these extremes to the point where we get schadenfreude when they get hurt or killed? seems like a cheap and superficial way to get people invested imo.

@carnuatus

Жыл бұрын

You're forgetting that the 80s were wild. Not entirely excusing the writing around this stuff but well-off white kids got away with a lot back then. It's literally the reason Columbine was allowed to happen.

@spOOkytimes

Жыл бұрын

@@carnuatus Not arguing privilege being a big factor in people getting away with horrible things, but Columbine happened in 1999 and was notable because it was an extreme case. I do agree that the incompetence of the adults involved with Columbine matches the adults on the show.

@threeleafclover3222

Жыл бұрын

Jason convincing the town is completely believable. Even when Mike was trying to get a stand-in for the vecna campaign one person says “my mom said that promotes satanic worship and animal cruelty.” Eddie is introduced by reading an article about how d&d promotes murder, and Eddie as a character represents social deviance and non-conformity. The town has been through a series of unexplained deaths for the last three years, the summer prior 30 people died at star court after the mall closed, the federal government + military showed up, and they called it a “mall fire” it makes perfect sense that people would be on edge, the town has been through a lot. Jason represents the towns reaction to social deviance, and also acts as the vessel through which the town interacts with the main characters. Specifically Lucas, because Lucas wants to be popular and accepted. His arc this season was about deciding to be misunderstood with his friends, than accepted without them. He rejects the status quo, rejects the possibility to be popular, for the sake of his friends. It’s not an accident that “forced conformity” is referenced, or that Eddie “the freak” Munson is immediately pegged for devil worship and satanic rituals.

@tardwrangler1019

Жыл бұрын

@@carnuatus you're making shit up

@yordanstefanov5570

Жыл бұрын

@@carnuatus I disagree. Not even bullies make fun of someone's father dead. At least not in front of all class.

Ik Chrissy was a new charecter but I instantly really liked her,, her death hit me like a truck coz yk it actually felt like her character had soo much potential😩

@graciee7808

Жыл бұрын

It was so obvious that she’s was gonna die tho 😭😭 I liked her but I knew she wasn’t gonna make it past the first ep

@suonatar1

Жыл бұрын

I was hoping she will stay a little longer and we will learn about her problems. Or that she will have more impact on the story. Suddenly, she just died.

@filmfangirls9163

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I fell in love with her as fast as Barb lol I loved the scene between her and Eddie and I just felt so bad for her and abuse she endured by her mother to be bulimic.

@ricardoredway

Жыл бұрын

REALLY DID HIT ME LIKE A TRUCK BUT SHE WAS MARKED FOR DEATH BY VECNA

@darkadalia

Жыл бұрын

I heard that (and this is only rumor) the writers felt regret killing off her character so early into the season. She and Eddie would've become great friends imo

Another thing I hate is how they just kinda brushed off Jason's death. Like, it was really cool and all, but it was fast with no reaction so basically everyone missed it.

@optimysticpeaches

Жыл бұрын

I was crying so hard I missed it the first time😂

@bea2323

4 ай бұрын

Oh... Did he die?

Lately i felt like stranger things has become worse with each new season but i didnt know why and couldnt put it into words. but you explained it so perfectly. i feel like everyone has fell in love with all the new characters, eddie especially so im glad im not the only one who felt like this

I think one thing to point out with the characters is that they’re older and therefore wiser (or dumber) because of it. The kids are starting high school and have a lot more insecurities as well as opinions, and that’s normal. Mike thought El beating up his bullies when they were young kids was cool, but he might have come to realize that that wasn’t exactly the right way to handle the situation. Furthermore, El was his first crush and first girlfriend. He’s clearly falling out of love with her so he’s not blinded by his feelings for her anymore. His actions do contradict his behaviors from season 1, but he’s done some growing up. People in real life grow and change and if you took everything they said and believed as a kid to heart you’d find contradictions with them too. Similarly, the high school group is now entering a new stage of their life called adulthood. So they’re bound to be going through changes too. I don’t use this an excuse for characters feeling like totally different people but I don’t think they do feel like different people. The only person who bothers me is Jonathan. He seemed a little more edgy in the first season, granted he had a soft side, but in my opinion he was oddly cheery in season 2 and especially in season 3. I guess it made sense but he just lacked charm imo. I actually think Argyle was a good move to give him have a friend of his own and have him be a stoner. Him being so confused and out of it this season has made me chuckle and I value Argyle as an entertaining character that also allows the audience to see a side of Jonathan we haven’t before. I could say more about the characters and my opinions but this is already long enough. Edit ⚠️Spoiler for Volume 2⚠️ I was wrong Mike wasn’t falling out of love with El, he was just repressing his feelings because he thought El was too good for him and going to leave him. And he thought it would hurt more if it happened after being open with his feelings. Ngl that was a plot twist for me. But unfortunately I can relate to that and it didn’t feel too out of nowhere. Sad for my man Will though, that’s rough for him. Anyway wanted to add that in now that I realize I said something incorrect.

@hotwheelz5686

Жыл бұрын

My man is writing an entire essay in a KZread comment section, but I also agree with everything you said.

@mount_fuji_edits

Жыл бұрын

you might be right about their characters growing up but a show is fiction, not real life, so dialogues and characters have to be written like is fiction not real stuff. and they literally changed the characters’ whole psychology to the point that doesn’t make sense.

@rociohernandez3077

Жыл бұрын

I think Jonathan had some good reasons to be cheerier in season 2 and 3, for one his mom had a loving relationship with a good man, his brother was back and semingly okay and he started dating Nancy. All pretty good things for someone so used to life beibg shitty with his abusive dad, being poor and then losing his brother while his mom loses her mind trying to get him back. Season 1 was pretty stressful for everyone especially because they didn't really know what they were up against.

@obsidianpaw2373

Жыл бұрын

I get ppl change but my problem is that the high schoolers are way too dramatic and just don’t behave in ways ppl normally do. It felt so soap opera-ish and inconsistent with the tone or earlier seasons.

@terrisilva8756

Жыл бұрын

@@obsidianpaw2373 I actually agree with you. I find it funny and laugh sometimes at how dramatic the characters behave. Still can’t get over how everyone finishes each other sentences like they all come up with the same mind blowing conclusion every time. I still stand by what I said before, doesn’t mean I can’t find the show a little cringe sometimes.

Another thing I didn’t like about season 4 is continuing the love triangle between Nancy, Jonathan and, Steve. Like Nancy practically broke Steve’s heart cause she felt like she didn’t actually love him in season 2 and also to get with Jonathan and now she’s interested in Steve again when Jonathan is far away. Also Jonathan magically feels like he doesn’t love Nancy anymore either (I bet they did that so the audience doesn’t hate nancy for technically cheating). I felt like for s4 it was just forced to add more drama

@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343

Жыл бұрын

Right? It's basically like the Duffer brothers were like "we kind of forgot..."

@Mateocabrera2389

Жыл бұрын

@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 quiet woman you have no right to an abortion.

@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343

Жыл бұрын

@@Mateocabrera2389 Dude what the hell?

@electra4764

Жыл бұрын

I also didn't like that because of how it kind of goes against Steve's character development throughout the other seasons. I haven't watched them in a while but I remember how they made a point about him having to move on from Nancy and become a person of his own and if he gets with her again it just undoes that.

@gabrianamadden1122

Жыл бұрын

I think they did this to add more emotional weight to a death. if Steve dies, Nancy will be even more distant from Johnathan and will have to deal with the death of the guy she likes. if nancy dies, steve will be really sad and have to hide his mourning from Johnathan. If Johnathan dies, nancy will have to deal with the guilt of emotionally cheating on him and be distant from Steve out of guilt.

Maybe I’m weird, but I get emotionally invested in characters as soon as they come on screen 🥲 Also I love will 😭

@Steve-yn3cs

Жыл бұрын

Me too, but I take that to be me, not the audience. It doesn't really get to my head though, because moments later I realize that the said character was never my thing and I never got used to them. I'm just too sentimental about character deaths because they're sad. I also know what bad/lazy writing is, like what they did with Will this season.

I hate how the show just went "oops you thought hopper was dead? You stupid idiot?" Why can't they just kill off a main character instead of adding some incredible twist showing they're magically alive

Things that bothered me in season 4: Hopper being able to not only walk but run and fight with a broken ankle. Joyce and Murray walking away from a plane crash with only minor cuts and bruises. Steve and Nancy. Are we seriously doing this again? Steve and Nancy are great characters on their own, but together? Absolutely not. It didn't work the first time and it won’t work this time, either. What happened to Nancy+Jonathan? 3 seasons of build up down the drain. Drawn-out storylines (mostly involving the Hawkins laboratory).

@KookiesNolly

Жыл бұрын

For real, I don't know why they are trying to bring Nancy and Steve back together. They were shown to be at their peak apart from one another. On top of that, realistically, there is no way in hell Nancy wouldn't be bored of Steve in like a year at best. I like Steve but he has a serious case of "peaked in highschool" which... good for him, but Nancy is so goal-driven and ambitious. How on earth would someone like that settle for him? It simply wouldn't work. On top of that, if the only way you can make them work is by creating a bs reason why her boyfriend can't be there it might be a sign that there is literally nothing actually pulling them together? It makes Steve look like a leftover, or a thing for her to get her bf off her mind. Not very nice for him tbh.

@thekrayers

Жыл бұрын

I forgot about the ankle thing!!!

@paulkendrick4153

Жыл бұрын

The cringe love triangle between Steve,Nancy, and Jonanthan alone was enough to ruin this season. They should change the show name to Stranger Riverdale.

@denny3460

Жыл бұрын

The hopper injuries not being factored in bothered me so much. The way he shattered his ankle should have made him effectively disabled and could develop into a huge infection that could kill.

@mayln163

Жыл бұрын

Nancy being attracted to Steve is her missing Johnathon and Steve being right there.

My issue with this and the previous season is that the characters are so spread out having their own side quests. The cast doesn't seem as united as they were in the first seasons, because they're divided into smaller groups that don't interact with each other. That means the relationships between some of characters don't really evolve. I've found that disappointing compared to the early seasons.

@brizdem2113

Жыл бұрын

That's the point though. They make different storylines with different people and have them develop on their own and come together in the end. And also for the plot it just doesn't make sense to keep them together the whole show.

@Uglyweezer

Жыл бұрын

I think there’s just too many characters right now and that’s where the issue comes from

@azizahanekwe5712

Жыл бұрын

I agree, however, I had the opposite reaction to how their separate storylines played out. I actually enjoyed the separation between them. These little subplots and quests that everyone is doing in their small collective groups seem super divided, but so unified in terms of all of them finidng different pieces of information that will ultimately help all of them uncover the truth. They all are discovering different tasks but are all helping each other in different ways, therefore this is why I like the direction they went with that!

@brizdem2113

Жыл бұрын

@@azizahanekwe5712 that’s a good way to put it

@brizdem2113

Жыл бұрын

@@Uglyweezer that’s fair there is a lot. i think in vol 2 it will neaten itself out though

completely agree with everything!! so nice to hear someone else with the same thoughts, I feel so many people put it on a pedestal and don't talk about what has been lost or the plot holes. I love the show, and therefore like to deconstruct the good AND bad!

I’m done with the show… not gonna bother seeing season 4… because the premise of the show is giving the cast shitty hair dos. Joking aside… it feels like the shower concluded in season 3. Now they are just making up things to milk it.

11:29 Part 5: Wills hair I mean seriously what the fu- 😂😂😂