1. Homework by day, lectures by night. 2. No memorization. 3. No predetermined course order. 4. Precise, focused education. 5. Experience based. 6. Coach not teacher. 7. Lifelong learning. 8. No brand name colleges.

@amirsamir302

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@matthewhorizon6050

4 жыл бұрын

Dont forget DMT.

@MarkMcLenaghan

3 жыл бұрын

Nick Smith but I think his point is asking why is it important to attend these schools? I believe MIT posts programming courses free online, for example.

@andres550

3 жыл бұрын

@@greanch1234 you didn't get it

@brushstroke3733

3 жыл бұрын

And no degrees!

His point on connecting the dots. Kids need to be taught HOW to think, not WHAT to think. If this reform can be globally implemented in the 21st century, then humanity might experience the most incredible golden age it has ever had.

@yasaamoin4882

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Oghia I can only agree with you

@mmathur87

5 жыл бұрын

Logicrats!

@YouTubeallowedmynametobestolen

3 жыл бұрын

In my experience, university is mostly about how to think. Some high school classes (literature and science at least) as well were, to a significant degree, about how to think.

@andres550

3 жыл бұрын

What are you doing in your community? What are you doing in your local school to help change?

@Mimi25291

Жыл бұрын

Doesn’t that depend on who’s teaching them how to think… then would you want unsavoury characters planting seeds in teaching humans how to think! Teaching how to think is the same thing as compliance. Encouraging people to challenge and question everything is key

"If you care enough about your work to be willing to be criticized for it, then you have done a good day's work."

@mtler8609

3 жыл бұрын

In this day of 140 characters there isn't the chance to argue a point anymore. Gone are the discussion or debate. You get maybe two back and forth discussion on the merits of the discussion before it devolves to, "your an idiot" or "i've had enough of your nonsense, good bye." Write an argument and see how many people will read to the end. This guy's video is 16 minutes. I rejected most of what he said by 3 minutes. I gave him the time by speeding up his speech by 1.25. Still got his message but got through it quicker. He didn't impress me because he requires me to accept some of his premises as fact for his argument to make sense. He confuses order and obedience as the same thing. Then uses obedience as a fear idea. I've used the any color but black car statement but not in the context he used. Same with rules. He sees them as without merit unless he sees merit in them. Cannot make an argument when there is a high degree of arbitrariness in the structure of his argument. Public school has a component that every child of the village should be given a basic education so they can better aid in the growth of the community. Its to give that person the ability to understand the rules, structures and direction the community is going so they CAN make an informed decision. For to me, that is a purpose of schools. I don't want lemmings who blindly push a button on the polling booth. I want them to be able to vet the candidates before them with the thinking, what is best for the community and who has promised me the most bread and circuses. The idea given regarding the KKK getting kids out of school is to difficult for me to accept unless we are going to agree that Hillary's Clinton's progressives she holds in high regard supported using the KKK to get little kids out of the factory and into school. I've always been under the believe that the child labor act was against the fat cats of the guilded age who saw little to no value in children from "those" families they deemed as insignificant. Compulsory attendance laws were made to force parents who don't give a damn about these children to break that cycle that has the parents believing in the folly of an education.

"Fitting in is a short term strategy that takes you nowhere. Standing out is long term strategy that takes guts and produces results" :)

Seth Godin puts his thoughts on "What is School For?" so clearly, that I have now the ability to put all the struggles I had in school growing up into a closed file. I have no questions as to why I was always the kid in the hall in trouble, getting into fights, never wanting to go to class...I hated school, and so many would say the same thing, but they were faithful servants, and I just wasn't able to comply to the mandatory read chapters 1-4 test on Friday way of learning...I knew it was pointless bullshit. I knew that at the age of 12, so I lashed out wanting to create, but couldn't because the system was asking me to collect the dots, not connect the dots...I simply think I was bored, and rebellious to being pinned up in a routine driven way of learning, that crippled my ability to be myself, and explore what it is I really wanted to do with this life...life's a gift, and education creates robots...that do as they are told (processed) or they get held back...the gift has been forgotten as Einstein quoted long ago. Great ted talk...Thank you for your talent and skills to clarify this important issue, I feel refreshed. Thanks Seth Godin for sharing your words with the world...you're fantastic.

"Anything worth memorizing is worth looking up" ...Love it!

My favorite quote from his talk (toward the end, starting at 15:51): "Fitting in a short-term strategy that gets you nowhere. Standing out is a long-term strategy that takes guts and produces results. If you care enough about your work to be willing to be criticized for it, then you have done a good day's work."

As a teacher I know that most of our schools are not those of the 1950s or even 1990s... but also that we haven't got it yet. Good teachers shift power to students and develop learning methods, not content. However, society is still governed by rules and there is some value in understanding financial, social, and even "arbitrary" rules like those in many classrooms (or workplaces). A great compromise exists in "free-choice" education in which students pick classes that are attractive and then learn reading/writing/math through an embedded curriculum that includes production, not just consumption and regurgitation.

Refreshing. Planning to ask my earnest and anxious, soon-to-graduate, public-university, pre-med students "What is school for?" as their final exam.

@kentvandervelden

5 жыл бұрын

I'm truly interested in the breadth of responses you received and The outstanding responses. I lectured at a university to juniors who universally said the only thing useful from their time as students had been the internships.

"What people do quite naturally, is if it's work they try to figure out how to do less. If its art, we try to figure out how to do more... Someone who is making art doesn't say, can I do one less canvas this month?"

Schools teach you obedience. You can not be creative you have to follow. You follow the rules, you follow what the teacher ask to do, you follow the curriculum. School makes you a follower. No creativity, no way to innovate or take initiative. They take your freedom of thinking away. Once I was talking to my son’s high school art teacher who I discovered later on that she was a tailor about how kids have to learn creativity she stopped me saying that she has to follow the curriculum and that she does not have time for teaching the students how to show their creativity through art. I think she is a good example of a true follower.😊

"Homework by day, lectures by night" That's exactly what I was thinking and I believe that Is the future of education.

I'm not a teacher, but I am a neighbour, and I have watched some of the local kids being failed by the system in the UK. These kids are not engaged with the curriculum. They barely attend school, because they claim they are ill, or anxious, or worse, they have been tested and have ADHD, or are on the Autism spectrum. This TED talk about stealing dreams is amazing, and we need to keep asking the question, What Is School For so that kids dont constantly feel that they "lack" skill, or artistic ability, or logic etc. Maybe a system that teaches the basics of reading, math, geography until the age of 8 would be useful, and after that, kids get to learn and do something that sparks their interest and joy - whether it's art, physics, woodwork, medicine, history ... and if some kids are so unmotivated by anything, they need our special attention to discover where they are at in their emotional development. Thank you Seth Godin for bringing this into the light x

@11:20 He's a visionary and I agree with many points but this one I cannot swallow. Knowledge builds, you must have a foundation. I believe there is value in memorizing.

@giraffe1774

8 жыл бұрын

+LaWaune Netter I agree. I was very good at memorization. I still use the math facts I memorized daily, and I know all the countries in each of the continents (learned it by song) close to two decades ago and it has helped for years in my understanding of world events and culture. Memorization is definitely something to be encouraged.

@harrievanderlubbe5320

8 жыл бұрын

+LaWaune Netter The point is, there is no need to teach "memorizing" in school, which basically is what most of the classes teach you, there is no need at all, you can look it up. Of course, an effective learning strategy can be to memorize things, just lookup ways of learning that skill and apply yourself to it :-). It's definitely worth looking that up.

Morning Mr. Godin. It's why public schools are having so many problems. Just look at kids in the hallways. They walk from class to class like zombies. I never understood what school was for... until now. Growing up obedient may have been what was needed decades ago. It's time to change an old "system".

the baseball analogy is spot on

There is no accomplishment that can rival the success of building a child's self esteem and teaching him/her to love and respect others and themselves. I believe you can accomplish your dreams and hers at the same time - what a wonderful thing. Thank you for sharing!

I wish Seth was around and giving this speech when I was in school! I failed so many times because I tried so hard to memorize everything. I hope every teacher, professor watches this and takes it back to the classroom! Thanks You Seth

We need to ask the "What is school for" question over and over and over and over!

@christinas.4342

6 жыл бұрын

School prepares you to be a useful worker. There, I answered it for you.

@winningsides7347

4 жыл бұрын

Kristina S. but what happens if you don’t want to be a worker. A KZreadr or a business owner? Dummy

This was powerful. I believe passionately about the necessity of asking this question, "What is school for?" Thank you for the work you do, Seth Godin. I will continue to advocate for change in my corner of influence.

Innovation; Innovation is the ultimate capability of the human mind and it can be taught through improving problem solving abstractly as he suggests (as well as enhancing knowledge related to S.T.E.A.M). Innovation is vital to our future; it is the only thing that can generate abundance, a gift that humanity could use indefinitely. If we teach students with the mindset of making them innovators then no matter what line of work they were exposed to they would search out and solve the problems more readily because that's what innovators do.

Godin's vision is amazing and should be considered as we make educational choices in our classrooms, schools, systems, States, countries and globally.

Speechless... This is one of the reasons I admire Seth Godin so much.. Kudos to him for speaking up. He is right.

HOW/WHY have I seen HUNDREDS of TED/TEDx talks and am just now seeing this? HOW/WHY is this not one of the MOST viewed videos on the internet? HOW/WHY is the KZread algorithm not suggesting this MORE?

I absolutely agree. Schools should find a way to cater to individuals' strengths and not punish them for weaknesses.

I couldn't agree more. In fact, I'd go so far as to say every 14 year old should learn to ride a horse before they move up to a Model T. Let's also get them to learn to fasten quills for writing utensils or make them read by candle light until they graduate. You're right, nothing was wrong with how people were taught 40 years ago, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't adapt to better ideas when they arise. The education system is failing because of the mindset of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

This is brilliant and beautiful. Much grief about "doing time" in public school in 1950's and 60's. Most traumatic and damaging part of my entire life so far.

Seth Godin is an amazing public speaker. This topic on education and learning blew my mind.

I am crying right now at how far behind my child has been left because he wants to do exceptional interesting things and not comply.

"Connecting the dots, not collecting the dots." Very critical indeed. Thank you Ted x Youth and Seth. 🙏

The paradigm shift is away from batch training and obedience in the market so surely education should follow suit. However it will require a revolution in education before this happens as Ken Robinson advocates. The constant revision and reformation of an already broken system is what the majority will continue to tolerate for decades to come. Seth Godin has laid down the challenge we all must take up. #stopstealingdreams

I agree totally with Seth. The truth is so much better than the lies that we have bought. I hated school, however, I loved learning and discovering new things about life and my surroundings. To the system I was a failure but to my inner voice I was a success. Seth and many of his ilk are extremely brave and courageous. If indeed we love ourselves and our children, why then do we subscribe to a system that is killing the innate creativity that God has placed in us. We are free.We must live truly.

Brilliant, let's make these changes. I'd only argue one point: working alone is hugely beneficial in some circumstances for some types of work. "I don't believe anything really revolutionary has ever been invented by committee." - Wozniak

If my teacher handed me a raspberry pi and said make something interesting and i can help you if needed, i would be so i excited i dont even have words to describe it

@BlaseFlair

3 жыл бұрын

THIS!

This is why I homeschooled!

@jppickens

8 жыл бұрын

+Phonominal Let's just say my baby is 31 and I had 4 kids in 5 years.

@giraffe1774

8 жыл бұрын

+J Pierce Yes, this is why I am homeschooling my children also! I was taught at home for 6 years, and in the 6th grade I was put into public school. All I know is I loved learning and loved myself until then, and after public school, I hated learning and hated myself. I have had to undo all of the unnecessary myths and lies public school ingrained in me for so long. I will not do that to my kids!

@jppickens

8 жыл бұрын

+Katy Holbein Good for you! It is hard, especially in high school, but worth it. In Georgia where I live, kids can go to college at any age if they pass both SAT tests. My daughter went at 14 1/2.

@DorothyNorris

5 жыл бұрын

Agree - this is why we home-educated our daughters. They explored, questioned and taught themselves. They chose to attend school from age 11 and only went to school the days they chose to attend. They are still learning and self-educating

@laputauk

4 жыл бұрын

Your next class should be grammar 👍🏼

This is definitely one of the greatest lectures I've heard, on any subject, of all time. It couldn't be any more relevant to our situation!

EXCELLENT video. One of the best TEDx talks I've ever heard! WOW

I was primed to write fiction, since the day I first picked up a crayon. School did nothing to encourage that part of me. It was (Western) literature appreciation and memorization and structure. It was mechanical. I'm 42, and I am just now recovered from my life to go back and *earnestly* resurrect that trampled part of me. No more a sidebar, it will be what defines me. Glad I saw your post, Will. I needed a success story today. Now, to help inspire my daughters more today than yesterday =)

That thing with the blocks is so true! Though it's really hard to remember I was an artful and creative person once, everyone was but that got killed of pretty quickly for me.

@christinas.4342

6 жыл бұрын

You're not supposed to be creative, you're supposed to be useful.

@roskichan3001

6 жыл бұрын

Kristina S. That's fuck up

@roskichan3001

6 жыл бұрын

Kristina S. Creativeness prosper uniqueness and that uniqueness become usefulness

@evanurena8868

4 жыл бұрын

@@christinas.4342 Creativity can fuel usefulness.

@YouTubeallowedmynametobestolen

3 жыл бұрын

"That thing with the blocks is so true!" I don't agree. I think if I got together with a group of people and we were tasked with that challenge, we would find it quite interesting and fun. We would be doing our best to think outside the box, we would be discussing possibilities, and we would come up with SOMETHING. And his comment that "There is no right answer, and there's a million wrong answers" is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what I would be thinking, and, I believe, what most people would be thinking. We would be thinking, "There are many right answers, and no wrong answers." If you really would think there would be no right answer and a million wrong answers, I would genuinely like to know that. But only speak for yourself.

I was homeschooled up until 3rd grade and upon entering public school, I realized the miniscule amount of learning that actually takes place and observed the snail pace at which new concepts are presented. Each year is a VERY slight advancement over the last year and the culture is not one of voluntary education, as the kids don't have a choice but to attend.

Wow, great video! As a Adjunct College Instructor I have to say that Seth Godin is right on. I have never given a test in my business courses. My students are graded on what they create not on what they have memorized, but for many this is a hard transition.

Yes, he is talking about each individual finding passion and automatically get experience - memory that's relevant. Seth Godin has given us a good picture of how things could, and maybe should look like. It resonates with a lot of my ideas, though he is (perhaps the necessary) steps in front of those. Bravo Seth Godin!

"Cooperation instead of isolation." BRILLIANT!

I am so glad someone can explain this topic so eloquently and freely. Whenever I try to discuss this, I get so railed up about it that I can't even talk properly. I get so anygry I want to break something. I am too emotional about it.

I believe in respect. Seth believes in respect. Seth does generalize to a degree - his overall message would take us to a better place. You asked, "What would school have to be to have let you succeed, then?" We need to tailor our teaching to meet the demands of visual, auditory, and kinesthetic learners. Right now we are set up mostly for auditory learners. The system is self perpetuating because auditory learning is delivered in college - schools hire college grads - who ask, "what's the prob?

I love it that given the nearly infinite things he might be doing, he's doing this, for kids. The question(s) "What is school for?" and "Does this further what school is for?" are great ways to think critically about what we're doing to children and adults as we educate. This video is good for parents and kids who end up in these systems, and for teachers who find alternative places to teach. I may need to watch it weekly :)

Man this Ted talk totally explains why my interests died when I started working in those areas.

TRUE Statement: One thing is certain: if we keep doing what we've been doing, we're going to keep getting what we've been getting. Thanks for helping us to see it's time for a change!

I'm so happy to find this whilst I'm Self Educating 😍 extra motivation!!

That line threw me off a bit too, for exactly that reason. I would instead think that anything worth looking up is not worth memorizing. Maybe he misspoke...? Anyway, every day Seth blows my mind. Absolutely incredible and I wish more folks thought more openly and had his ability to reason and analyze. Fantastic.

He is one of the most inspiring personalities of our time. Quite agree with his point of view on future of education..

yes thats what the future economy wants--kids who can adapt themselves to the system... it doesnt need creative, innovative and passionate people... just people who know how to adapt and follow.

Could you be the president please?

@mihajlo961x

8 жыл бұрын

+Alphfirm He'd be a wonderful Secretary of Education

@mikekrzesowiak7944

4 жыл бұрын

Next election, I'm writing Seth's name in when I vote.

Visionary!!! This is absolutely how we need to shift the practice!

Brilliant story teller

That was great! Everyone needs to be learn how to think and solve problems, not just memorizing facts and going with motions. Making the learning experience more unique, and without generic learning tools, can light that fire of interest and passion.

Seth is the man

Fantastic! Thank You, Seth!

Great video! Of course, I want to congratulate and thank its rapporteur, Mr Seth Godin.

As a future educator, I agree that we need to reform basically everything about education, but this will not happen unless all the masses old traditionalists that work in the system die. Then our generation can embrace changes.

@kyleschutter

5 жыл бұрын

I've heard that progress is science made one death at a time.

@evanurena8868

4 жыл бұрын

You even have people that still damage control the outdated culture of education, even if they admit that it's not perfect. It seems rather hypocritical to make excuses for all the flaws of the tradition with the expectation of adapting to it's imperfections, yet anyone else who has flaws is punished for it? This double standard also needs to go away for change to happen in meeting common grounds.

@AuthorityCat

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty much

Hey Dude, we have a kindred spirit in this subject. It behooves us to move forward with our own way of learning. Systems rarely work. School is an example. I just wonder why the lies is still being propagated still. Our poor children. Like you, I have learnt more out of school than within it. Hooray to divergent learning. No more programming.

Great, great talk. The amount of truth spoken in this video is immense..

Great insights from Seth about the origin of our schools and the education system.

School is about compliance, sorting, and grading, not humanity. Rules and organizations are not more important than humans. Thanks, Seth...

I know it's only been up for 2 days - but I'm actually surprised this only has 10,000 views so far. Odd that this conversation isn't bigger. I've passed around SSD in various formats around my town, and it's as if people can't wrap their head around the real problems in education. Nobody seems to want to sit down and discuss.

Listen to Seth and ignore the people questioning your view..it doesn't matter man, you are doing great (25 books is no joke!) :)

WOW that that was so simply put. Its a rare talent to be able to express such disruptive ideas in such clear manner. Very impressive talk and very compelling content. I don't think anyone can make a fair argument about how any of this is wrong.

Learning the system is a creative challenge in itself. Every professor is like a new boss. Hi Deanne

Amazing talk.. good thing he has books too

Thank you!! Love it!

Great talk! Educational Reform is critical!

Such an important talk. Thank you Mr. Godin! ;)

We have been saying for a long time that they should teach this, balancing a checkbook, for example or other life skill. We have known for a long time school needs to evolve. Unfortunately there are forces that block charter schools and private schools and other creative public schools. Maybe we need to figure out how to finally do something different instead of allowing those forces to keep this industrial model for schools the way they are!

superb presentation Seth... we appreciate the insight and hope that the machine that drives our society and its current system of rewards and penalties is capable of the changes you describe so clearly.

This is an oldie but goodie, from Seth Godin whom I like a great deal. Love his discussion of how school has historically been about obedience, which is a complete contradiction to the skill-sets our young people need to develop and thrive in a rapidly changing and evolving world where everyone must be an entrepreneur to lead a passionate and fulfilling life.

Outstanding talk , thank you for putting this together i feel inspired!

Thank you Seth and Ted. This is wonderful information and thoughts. K, bye

I wish I was certain. Many fail to understand how foundational factual knowledge is for higher-order thinking -- including the creative work that is so dear to Godin.

I would just like to thank your for the content! Impactful and powerfull!!

Love you Seth!

Seth Godin blows my mind!

The second time I went back to college was in 1994 ish, I was so used to being told exactly what to do that I didn't know how to learn. I was a good employee because of that mentality, but that wasn't enough if I was going to be as successful as I wanted when I was working on my teaching degree. I had to learn how to learn, I made mistakes and learned from them. I learn how to discover exactly what I needed to know to be the best teacher I could possibly be. It took time but I settled on discovery. By the way, I graduated with a 3.98 GPA, I would argue over how good an "A" I got because the grade was my pay. When I was in industry, I did nothing without a repair manual in my hand. I never could understand the point of making students set up in their chairs, listen with intent to what the teacher was saying, and then on Friday, I had to remember what someone had told me and was tested on that experience. I really like a student that asks me a question that starts with a statement, "Did you know" and they proceed to tell me something that I have got to check. At that point, I know that the kid has got it and knows how to learn more. No test would ever tell you what your student knows about a subject until you learn something new about the subject from the student. If we teach by throwing all those "dots" out there and nothing more, there is no need to connect the dots because evedently whatever the big picture is, it doesn't really matter. That's what educators have been doing for years while wondering why their students didn't care what they were teaching or not teaching, however, you look at it.

@12:31 Good point. Cooperation and collaboration must become like breathing.

One of the best ted talk. Thank you very much. :)

Very Powerful IDEAS, Thankyou for sharinf

"Personally I don't believe that we will be able to tweak our current system - too many interests that have too much to lose with progress. I think it will have to come from many sources - private, charter, institutions, etc. I do find it interesting that for as smart as we think we are we maintain such a broken system." I'll drink to that.

Thank you Serh. Gina in lights

Agree to all points. And to follow up, I think his idea looked on overall answers why a lot of people in general simply cant wake up and vote their real conscious in politics. I can just imagine and hope we will all start by waking up to this, so human progress finally can begin looking like something to respect and thrive in.

As always Seth Godin rocks!

The best of the best educational system cannot MAKE a child want to learn. When you teach your child that they have choices, don't be surprised when they want to start making decisions.

Great insight that I had not before considered, thank you for sharing.

I'm reading the title and I'm already in!

this video is a 'Gem' don't lose this.

Excellent application of Systems Thinking.

Thank you. This helps me feel like less of a failure in college at the age of 47. Flunked English 101 because I failed to turn in final essay. It didn't matter to the instructor that I worked hard on daily papers and daily readings of his boring textbook teaching. UGH! Never giving up though..

11:20 I vehemently disagree about "There is zero value in memorizing anything ever again." Math tables - multiplication / division was the first thing which came to mind.

Beneath the textbooks and tests lies the true meaning of school which is - "Self-Discovery." Until you ace that course, you are destined to a life of quiet drudgery. We may look good. We may earn good. But we won't FEEL good because we are walking a blind path. Until you "learn" who you are and what you were meant to create and share - you won't really live. You'll bounce between work and play. When you discover how to combine the two - your life will explode into happiness and true worth.

First part made me cry. Second part too, but for better reasons.

Speechless.

dude, the guy spoke for 15 minutes about whats wrong with school... all you can say is that he has a persecution mindset? you just proved his point--you are a product of the education system