One of your best videos, thank you! So much real true messages (travel, motor, suspension settings, ...)

Spot on, I agree with everything you mentioned!

I appreciate your honesty about hyper-adjustable suspension. I agree with you.

Great content again. Really appreciate your personal experience on this bike and/or any other bikes. Proves you can talk about a sponsor and still give very credible information. 👍

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! We really appreciate the support! 👍

Just got my Spectral:ON CF 8 in Stealth Black color. It's so versatile and also looks brutal! 😍🥰

Nice one Steve, good honest video which sometimes is lacking in MTB channels. That's the attitude to have "let me just ride the bike" as that is what we want to do, however i run AXS GX and love it so easy to set up also run AXS dropper again that is amazing. I love getting out on my Cube HPC 160 does the job for me cycling around town and downhills and at the local trails prefect all rounder........EWMTB is the only way forward.

Super Creative and Unique Designed Trai eMTB.....!

Meet you at Gatwick airport few days ago, in the lift, great show, keep up the good work, from the ambulance man, Nigel.

Nice one Steve! I’m the same with suspension, got 38s on my Levo and they take a hellova lot of tweaking to hit the sweet spot. Too much fannying about (tho they are saaaahweeeet now they’re finally dialled)

Just had the CF9 delivered last week. Bike is insanely good. The videos and reviews really helped me choose from a plethora of emtbs

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

My CF8 has been great! Ive done 65 miles including hills with it on one charge, and had juice left still, it gets great range and flies downhill.

@TheFruitingChamber

Жыл бұрын

Think I need to sell my project car for one of these 😅

@ignaciosevil1944

Жыл бұрын

150 mm fork? mine is 150 and i dont know if i should get the 160 or even 170

Loved my first spectral on back in 2018 👍🏻

@embn

Жыл бұрын

What a great bike! 👊

Spoko materiał !

Oh man this will be my next e bike for sure

Love mine, have the 720 batt but can always go 900 in the future and you can't beat the price.

Bang On !!! just needs a back fender to avoid buzz butt

Great share Steve…. a personnel reflection on your go to bike and spec was top draw. There was was so much content covered and it all made complete sense me. My bike is a home-built bafang mongrel that is suited to the terrain I mostly ride…. Any build is a good build if your using it!

@vashon100

Ай бұрын

Personal vs personnel

Super❤👍

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Ive got about 500 miles on my CF8 Spectral ON, and its a great bike, had it on all kinds of trails. The only thing so far I might change, is crank length. Smacking pedals on rocks happens way too much on some trails. Ive really tried to better my technique, but there it is. A 160 fork? Might try that also some day. To me, the mid range suspension on this bike is plush, I have no troubles with it. It sucks up sharp rocks and what ever all day long. I did 45 miles on the last ride with a long hour and a half climb. Still had 3 bars showing on the screen. The other guys I ride with, just dont have this range of battery. They end up babying the battery they have.

great video Steve its good to see what you would call your preferred daily steed !!! I ride mainly in the highlands of Scotland and im looking to buy the CFR for battery and handling on the terrain you know all to well. so its not about speed its control for me would you recommend the CFR as one of the best suited for where i ride ?

Got the cf9 2024, with the SRAM AXS Transmission, and I love the electric gears, came from Trek Rail 2023 also with AXS, and new that i had to get that again. Luckily CANYON has lots of options. The Rail had bosch, and now EP 801. One thing that never is mentioned is that the 801 is far easier to pedal when you ride over the help limit 25 kmh, or turn of the electric assistant. The bosch had an internal resistance that was extremely annoying when you run out of battery, or just want to go over that 25 kmh limit. Haven’t had any issues with the 801 so far. And love the 900 battery, because im also a heavy rider 99kgs🙉

Agility is why I love my Trek Fuel EXe. Got it down to 36.9lbs/16.74kg (magazine weight: no pedals) for a 140mm/160mm. I don’t have a use case yet for a full fat but if I ever did the Canyon looks solid.

@francisbrooks8533

Жыл бұрын

Yeah these full powered ebikes are lumpen. Doesnt even feel like a bicycle. Feels like a slow motorbike.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@francisbrooks8533 Many experts would disagree. Guys I ride with that have the ultra light battery/motor, are going to be looking for a tow. They need to stick to bike parks not going up in the mountains.

Nice video Steve! Was considering Canyon when buying myself a new bike in december. Went with the Husqvarna hard cross because of the battery size on the Torque:on. Should have looked at the Spectral too 😅

@Raumance

Жыл бұрын

You don't want a Shimano motor they have the worst range by far out of all the manufacturers. Among other problems.

@ingarskjerven1885

Жыл бұрын

@@Raumance do you have any statistics that support that? With source material please

@Raumance

Жыл бұрын

@@ingarskjerven1885 Sams ebikes did a comparison for the motors. Warranty is voided for cam restriction. They won't even help you with the codes. Basically telling a customer to go fak themselves. The magnet isn't meant for the rotor the system was designed for the rim so it doesn't work as well as it should. And I own a Shimano Ep8 and I can confirm the range is sheit. Significantly lower than all the other manufacturers. If you can avoid buying a Shimano motor then you should. It should be the last option.

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Good choice, Ingar! We hope you're loving it! Thanks for watching!

Loved the video Steve. You mentioned that you sized up to an extra large. This bike became a consideration of mine when I learned it came with a 900 WH battery. What immediately dropped it off my list was that I am 5”6 and 130lbs. The small frame cannot fit the big battery and I would have to size up to a medium. I live in a small town in the Colorado Rockies and I don’t know of any places I can test ride the two sizes. My current ebike is a 2021 Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay and I also ride a specialized epic XC bike for reference. Can you explain more about why you sized up and what I need to look for.

@intertube1000

Жыл бұрын

If you a fit rider, and 130 lbs, you should be fine with 720 wh battery. I am 170 lbs, planning to get this bike in Medium with 720wh battery, try to bring the weight down a bit. my current bike is turbo levo with 700 battery, I never finish the battery, I finish first before the battery, 100 % on trail mode. I did 32 miles like twice only , still have 8 % battery left, so I do not need 900wh, most my ride is under 25 miles only, and I am done.

@briankoehn1647

Жыл бұрын

@@intertube1000 thanks for your help! I am planning some longer routes the bigger battery would be helpful with. That being said, the medium is way too big for me and 720wh would help out a lot. I am still kicking tires.. so to speak.. there are a lot of great brands out there!

This was and still is a contender for my next bike. Tempted by the merida e160 8000 too, and the nukeproof megawatt. My only concern with the canyon is the 150mm forks, I have a commencal meta power with I think 170mm or 180 forks. I ride the lakes mainly big knarly decent like walna scar etc, so wondering how 150 forks would far up. Any thoughts anybody? Thanks

Steve and his pointer sticks! Haha Does he choose a new one for each review or does he bring one along for each video? 😂 Perhaps some behind the scenes on a future vid. Also…great bike review!

@embn

Жыл бұрын

Spends about 10 minutes per shoot finding one that 'feels right' 😉

Wish Canyon would sell these in Canada. So odd they don't every other brands pretty much sells here and I can buy a non-emtb Canyon here.

Wish the spectral had the bosch motor

In your experience, what would you say is the noise level from the EP801 motor? In terms of rattle when going down hill and in power delivery.

what kind of mileage do you get from a 900w battery compared to a 625w or 720w ?

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

I know I can go 65 miles on my CF8, with proper use of power and modes. I weigh 170lbs.

Hi Jones how is your chain protector? In this model chain is constantly rubbing through protector on lower gears (1-6). Also did you change headset bearings yet?

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

500 miles on my CF8, no wear showing there. Headset bearings also doing great.

im 172cm with 81cm inside leg length. What Size do you think will fit for me (For Canyon Spectral:ON)? S or M ? (with S i cant use the 900w)

My last two canyon non e-bike always rate me as a small frame, but classed as a medium on other brands, would you say the sizing is spot on to what they recommend?

@phantombigballs8165

10 ай бұрын

I bought the small spectral on on their advice.. way too small especially the reach !! Sent it back and got the medium

What size would you recommend for someone @ 5'10" / 178 cm?

@simonm1447

Жыл бұрын

I'm 175 cm and I'm riding a non electric Scott hardtail, size M. The size is OK, but L would also fit. Typically manufacturers give a recommendation regarding the frame size in behalf of the size of the rider

Steve jones how tall are you? What size would you recommend for someone @ 183 cm?

I am 192CM/6'2" Canyons website days I fit a L frame but other brands say in need an XL. I am thinking I should go XL on the canyon. There is nowhere close to me to even try the bikes

What’s your opinion on all the ep8 motor failures and error codes

@1111TerryD

Жыл бұрын

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@gisho9

6 ай бұрын

Have two bikes with Shimano one e8000 other with e8 both with hundreds of miles and zero issues 😂

In your opinion and expecrince, do people regret getting 720Wh battery instead of 900Wh? And if yes, do they try to sell it and buy bigger one ?

Steve I'm working near Bangor next week, where do you think i should go to ride please?

@embn

Жыл бұрын

You're not too far away from Dyfi, Bala or Llangollen there but Coed Y Brenin would probably have our vote!

@Scott-wz4sc

Жыл бұрын

@@embn thanks man 🤙🏼

What helmet is that?

I live in a flat on the top floor. Am I able to remove the battery and charge it out of the bike.¿¿

@hikkks

11 ай бұрын

of course

steve jones = winning

I spied a review of the ON CFR which mentioned that the "Shimano EP8 motor rattles when coasting" - have you noticed such?

@Scott-wz4sc

Жыл бұрын

This was a big thing with the new motor about 1.5 year ago. Not sure if they rectified it or, people have just stopped rattling on about it. Excuse the pun 😉. Loads of old videos about it though, find out and let us all know 😄

@Taylor5084

Жыл бұрын

Got a mate who has got one and he says the issue was resolved with his by Canyon. Not sure what the resolve was but he says his Spectral is now silent

@darekgudra971

Жыл бұрын

Apparently in a carbon frame EP8's rattling is more audible. Did Canyon handle it?

Just ride steve

Ok…those tyres! 2.6”! I have an issue with such big tyres. 1. They are too big to fit in some ruts. This can really throw you off line. 2. They can be plain dangerous in very wet conditions. The large surface area causes them to float onto top rather than dig in. If found this out the hard way after my bike disappeared under me on a fast descent. Let me with a separated shoulder. Was trying to figure out what happened and in my research found some info on this issue with big volume tyres. What’s your experience with the perelli, why those tires and that size?

@KevisSquatchin

7 ай бұрын

What you don’t know how to change a tire? Change the tire size and quit your cryin.

@abdurraheemgreen2339

7 ай бұрын

@@KevisSquatchin of course I can change a tyre Kev babes 😘 I was just sharing my experiences with those particular ones so little boys like you don’t get hurt and learn from big boys life lessons.

Squeaky brakes even after adjustments and cleaning anyone else and find a solution Or do we just need to change the pads

Orbea claim on the rise info that; “Our 1.5x Factor means that thanks to lighter bikes, increased efficiency and greater reliance on your legs, battery life is extended by a factor of over 1.5. This means that our 540Wh battery is comparable to a 810Wh battery in a standard ebike system” Can that really be true? Can you do a real world test 540Wh V Spectral:ON 720Wh maybe? I don’t own an e-bike yet but interested. The comment on here about no support for Canyon in the UK puts me off!

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

"greater reliance on your legs" to me, that doesnt mean the battery is there for you, your legs are. Sounds like straight marketing hype. Some guys I ride with for sure do not have the legs to help propel an E bike like it needs to be propelled. I do 170 miles a week on normal roadbike, which really helps on long e bike rides with climbs. If strong legs help a 540WH bike go further? What do strong legs do with a 900WH battery? Go even further.

@sulsj

Жыл бұрын

I think Rise has 60nm torque so they ad like it's 1.5x.

@mtbed3653

10 ай бұрын

Just my opinion, but most people looking to get an E bike don’t have the legs!

@jeremyprice2936

10 ай бұрын

@@mtbed3653 I did buy a rise in the end. And not because my legs aren't good! Its totally opened up the trails i ride to more fun and adventure. I did think it was 'all hype' but can tell you its a game changer. And its a nice bike to ride unpowered too, locked out on flat sections between trails. Battery does last me a full day ride as i only use boost for super technical uphill sections.

Magura mt6?

Tell us you have joe dropped the tyre pressure with tubeless. STEVE PETE have another word!

@embn

Жыл бұрын

The pressures Steve can run with tubes in and not puncture are pretty impressive! We'd puncture almost immediately climbing some of the stuff he does with tubes!

How tall are you

Why don't they make bikes with both 27.5 size wheels WHY. 😢 I have two Canyon bikes so far Spectral CF 9 and Torque 6 and now for the first time I wanted to buy an electric one but you can only buy Torque ON with 27.5 size wheels but it has a battery terrible, as much as I ride a bicycle for a couple of hours a day, the battery drains in 2 hours max😢 And I don't want to carry Extra batteries of 5 kg on my back 🤦🏼

I must admit I am curious when I see these presenters riding bikes, as to which bike they actually own.

I take it we have no more Chris videos now?..

@PMJ4

Жыл бұрын

He's left.

@embn

Жыл бұрын

You may see Chris in reference footage and such! Like when we need to chat about something he was really good at or reference an old video :)

I just ordered the medium after using their online recommendation and it is we-he-heeeey too small. Massive headache now.

@riccardopolacchi

Жыл бұрын

How tall are you?

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@riccardopolacchi Im 6' tall, I always ride a large. I bought a large Canyon CF8, which is what their size chart said to do also. It fits just fine.

I think its a good design. But here are the caveats 1) Canyon after sales support: can be sketchy. It’s cheaper than comparable e-bikes but if you don’t get the support, it’s still a 8K paperweight. 2) Motor: If they had put in a Bosch, it would make the bike more attractive. This is the EP8, which is less on power and more of a battery suck. Hence the 900W battery. I was very intrigued, but sorry Canyon. It’s a pass.

@JR-pf7kk

Жыл бұрын

Is this true about the EP8?

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@JR-pf7kk No, not for everyday riding. Online people whine about the EP8, in real life I can go 65 miles with the 900WH battery and EP8 motor in my canyon. It makes plenty of power in medium/trail mode and runs really quiet. Online BS can be just that, some rant about the EP8 so then lots of guys do the same. The Canyon can literally go further than most guys will ride. It does make a difference to a large degree on any of these e bikes, how strong leg power is, its part of the deal.

As long as you don't have a Shitmano it doesn't matter that much. Least range by far.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

Shimano motors are on 80% of e bikes sold, online hacks might say they suck, in real life they work really well. I get great great range out of an EP9 motor.

@Raumance

Жыл бұрын

@@bradsanders6954 It's just the reality unfortunately. 15% less range which is not marginal it's a big deal. And that's just talking about range not about the other problems and customer service. They are shit compared to other manufacturers. 750Wh battery everyone else gets 1400+m vert where as Shimano gets 1200m... Tell me again how I'm a hack. You look like an idiot buddy. Maybe you are just genuinely ignorant and that's how you approach life. And I own an EP8 and I recommend anyone buying an ebike to not buy Shimano except as a last resort. Just a shit motor value and range wise compared to anyone else. Bafang, Yamaha, Brose, Bosch, Pinion. Anything else is just better.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@Raumance Be serious, range is determined by a whole bunch of things, from rider weight, to riding style, to hills involved. Your an online hack with an ax to grind, there are lots of them......someone you know or heard of had a problem with shimano. Big deal. There are so many shimano motors that work great....I can go 65 miles easy with the Canyon I bought...seems to work great. Happy to say it again, your a hack.

@Raumance

Жыл бұрын

@@bradsanders6954 You are a fucking idiot dude. I own an ep8 motor so I know. Sam's ebikes did the range test and Shitmano is by far the worst it's just reality. And obviously it's done by the same rider on the same track... So no there are no factors. With any other motor you would get far more range. You are not a smart person so of course you didn't do research. You are a testament to the stupidity of man.

After years of fiddling with High Speed and Low Speed Compression Settings could not agree more with your simple suspension set up for daily rider! Install few tokens, set rebound, and sag. Let her rip!

Apparently there are problems with electricity

Motors thing of the past looks like bosch it taking over even on the new canyons actually the thing thats putting me off just now i want a canyon just not a sram or shimano motor

awesome bike, especially with the geo, xtr, and the massive batttery capacity; but........ loses points with ep8 shimano motor and their fisher price app (compared to competitors). Also, I would be going with biggest battery on the base model and build up with my own components, as in current trim shown that's a hefty price tag for that model.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

Like steve said, the app isnt even needed, it works great as delivered.

@thewrx2600

Жыл бұрын

@@bradsanders6954 meh don't think so. I have an ep8 and it leaves a lot to be desired imo. Calibration or "tuning" is one of the greatest benefits with electric driven units/motors, is that you can fully manipulate how it performs; so it can best fits your riding style and/or terrain. Ebike (or any battery powered mobile) calibration also happens to be the most commonly overlooked feature by most riders, often because they don't understand what's possible, or the manufacturer, and/or there is not a lot of community support for the average e-rider; that also happens to be a decent mtb rider.

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@thewrx2600 Nah. Your picking nits. Like Steve says, it works great just like it is. Literally no problem on any trail. EP8 seems like a great motor to me on every ride. I can go straight up a wall, or pick my way thru tight trails, it works as is.

@phantombigballs8165

11 ай бұрын

I have both the bosch is for me a much better system

Only problem: it’s the wrong colour 😂

This video is for sure paid promotion.. canyon starts today discount on that model too. But why? This bikes was never discounted before.. Its obvious that bikes now don't sale that good as before and also they need to change introduce new model as new ep801 is coming..

@jasonkeithferry

Жыл бұрын

All manufacturers are now discounting due to stockpiled stock, not just a Canyon thing

Way too expensive and no support structure in the UK if things go wrong, I would not buy.

@jimm244

Жыл бұрын

I’ve read bd things about Canyon support.

@Taylor5084

Жыл бұрын

Owning a Canyon and had issue that needed solving I actually found the support really good from them. They have a UK based team and some of the horror stories I’ve heard I personally have had no dramas with.

@acelectricalsecurity

Жыл бұрын

Not just this one that's too expensive, it's the vast majority of ebikes. You even have motorcycle manufacturers jumping on the band wagon, and selling their ebikes more than some of their motorcycles, obviously they can make more money from bicycles.

@jedwards7928

Жыл бұрын

Not true. I have taken my spectral on to canyon head office in Surrey for them to fix it when I broke the battery release mechanism. Very helpful

@gpearce11

Жыл бұрын

I'm not going to disagree about the lack of support, as Canyon support seems to swing wildly between great and terrible, but even at its best will never beat Trek/Specialized. However, I am going to have to disagree about it being too expensive. I'm not going to deny that it is very, very expensive (it's an E-MTB, what'd you expect?), but A) this is the second highest spec model, and there are much cheaper models available, and B) spec for spec, it's significantly cheaper than an equivalent Trek Rail or Turbo Levo, so it's actually quite good value for what you get. For example, the Spectral:ON CF8, which has almost identical level spec to the Turbo Levo Comp (EP8/XT vs Brose 2.2/GX, but otherwise very similar), is approximately 20% cheaper than the Alloy version of the Levo Comp and 30% less than the carbon model (that it actually competes with). Even this CFR model is over 30% cheaper than the equivalent Levo Pro.

The Spectral On is super annoying in that you can't transport the bike on a roof rack without battery. Come on Canyon! Where is a solution? You make it I'll buy it...... Please, I'm still waiting....

@RideShagbark

Жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate? why can't you?

@harlanswan8184

Жыл бұрын

@@RideShagbark, the problem is that the battery cover and power cable are held together with screws and magnets directly into the battery. So without the battery everything flops around. I have found that I can fixate the battery cover with a strap but you still have to be super careful with the cable which is hard to fixate and which can easily get caught between the cranks and frame leading to damage when backing the bike out of the garage on its rear wheel. Because the crank arm naturally spins in reverse... I

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@harlanswan8184 I leave the battery in the bike. Cant find a problem with transporting it that way.

Canyon, your local Dealer love these bikes.

@jasonkeithferry

Жыл бұрын

Why?

@bradsanders6954

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonkeithferry Dealers can sign up to work on these Canyons, if they want to. If they dont want to they dont have to. Canyon contacts them to set it up. I work on my own bikes though.

nice. had an old manual torque ex which was superb. however, far too expensive

What E-mountain bike would you guys recommend for someone 5'2?