That's going to snap some chains that like . Shifting under such high pressure going through pedals 😜😱

@michaeljvdh

Жыл бұрын

The chain used here is borrowed from buzz light year, and is constructed of terrilium carbonic alloy from sector 18 in the gamma quadrant 😀

@mremtb7689

Жыл бұрын

It wont snap chains

@docmccoy9813

Жыл бұрын

Idiot-proof tech is not cheap :)

A system like that is reactive whereas a good rider is proactive. Good for noobs I guess. The one feature that genuinely looks useful is the ability to shift while keeping the pedals level. This could be handy if you are going downhill through a gnarly section and you know that there is a punchy climb coming up, you could shift down, ready for the climb without having to risk clipping your pedals.

@Romanonissimo

Жыл бұрын

Nailed it

@mremtb7689

Жыл бұрын

But it reactcts so quick I feel it is really proactive

@The.JZA.

Жыл бұрын

@@mremtb7689 You can’t use the word “react” and then say it’s proactive. I would shift down before I even got to the climb and you can bet I would avoid crunching the gears like they did in the demo.

Great content thanks! I can see FreeShift working for me, not sure about AutoShift, I hear a lot of “bad” noises that I normally try to avoid when going uphill. Good to see some R&D progress on drivetrains. 👍

I think this is awesome. ABS, auto shift, give me all the tech! I don’t know if I’d actually use this personally but I love seeing cool new stuff like this.

@jltansy

Жыл бұрын

I think in 10-15 years we will see a lot more ABS on bikes.

Nice, that is awesome, finally I can focus on important stuff like texting, playing a game on my phone or checking the stocks while doing a steep uphill climb or a technical descend!

Not buying till theres a cigarette lighter

@marcopaganotto9125

Жыл бұрын

Lol agreed!

@KessuPutte

Жыл бұрын

Imagine a 12-V socket car cigarette lighter on a bicycle. That's future!

@fatbikedad384

Жыл бұрын

This comment is an excellent representation of the new crowd e-Mtb’s are bringing to the trails.

@goingbonzo5923

Жыл бұрын

How about a cup holder for a beer?

@jasonhemmerlin6139

Жыл бұрын

Just puncture the battery.

This is perfect for me. I just broke my right hand, being able to ride with just one hand is what I need

Amazing how tech evolves! I am not able to ride as much as i did due to medical reasons. Looks like this would be a great option for me so i can go back to riding!

Free shift seems useful... the same as a internal geared hub... not sure about Autoshift... and the shifting under load has me concerned... still waiting for a real gearbox and a belt drive system on a mainstream bike...

@mremtb7689

Жыл бұрын

Why does shifting under load matter? The tension on the chain is on the top between the chain ring and the first few teeth on the sprocket. Where the chain is changing gears from the derailer, there is actually not much tension at all

Linear progression is one thing where a semi-smart power ratio dilemma can be solved easily. However, the instantaneous progression over obstacles is quite a different story. If you can have both running simultaneously, using both modes, or all 3-simultaneously. So manual and terrain settings might make it worthwhile. If he said it’s possible, I didn’t hear that.

This is cool but I just saw a video a guy from Switzerland had a bicycle accident when he was younger and he was paralyzed. He just had surgery connecting his brain to his spine and using Bluetooth he can now walk. Now that’s amazing. 👍

@Bianchiboy

Жыл бұрын

That’s nothing.... I’ve just watched a video where a robot does a hooker in the street then time travels back to his own dimension and leaves her wondering about what just happened

As long as tech brings new riders to our sport I’m all for it and this seamless. This would be awesome for my spouse or as part of a rental fleet!

@rider65

Жыл бұрын

🤮

At some point there will also be an Auto Pedal feature, I mean just go and buy a cross motorbike for what it's worth.

Great review

Very cool 😎

Looks like great addition to enjoy the ride more

I’m stoked on this new tech, got me thinking of selling my current EMTB and buying this new one.. but I will give it a year for any bugs to be worked out first, until then shred on..

I tried one yesterday and, while I liked it a lot in manual mode, I was less than happy about its gear decisions in A1. On a decent gravel road I went from a nice downhill gradient around a curve to a similar uphill. The A1 setting kept me in 9th gear struggling uphill where I would have expected 4th or even 3d gear. I kept waiting for it to shift and finally went manual to 3d. If the rain lets up I'll give it another go today.

Great video.

This ia all well and good until your Shimano motor gives you the E010, I'd rather Shimano spent some money on developing a reliable motor before trying to sell us a load of tech we don't really need.

That looks like it's going to really shorten the life of chains and cassettes by doing all the poor shifting we've been told not to do previously. Mixing that with sram's t-type system, on the other hand, would be fantastic

@e_mtb

Жыл бұрын

Shimano is probably not too sad if you have to buy more spare parts in the future, claiming, that this is just a small "downside" of the huge comfort benefit 😄

@downhill64

Жыл бұрын

What crains will need to be replaced

@iannorris8891

Жыл бұрын

@@downhill64 "Chains" ......... spell check maybe !

@RossiDeakin0406

Жыл бұрын

Cassette is all high alloyed case hardened steel now, instead of previously being part aluminium, slightly heavier but that's no drama for the E power.👍🇬🇧

@frankmcaleer9923

Жыл бұрын

That will last about two hours if your lucky.👎

What about timings? The best time to shift a gear is before climbing, insted of do it during uphill 😮

I can see Freeshift being a lot more appealing and useful than Autoshift. I don't need or want auto shifting on my emtb.

I can see the autoshift and freeshift being useful, especially on commuter and cargo bike applications. Not sure autoshift is something I would like on an eMTB though. I upgraded my eMTB to SRAM Transmission and shifting under load has been great feature when I shift late. Hoping to see a more robust/waterproof and serviceable Shimano EPxxx series motor in the future. If not here's hoping aftermarket motors designed to fit Shimano motor mounts become a thing. C'mon Bosch, get it done! :-)

@giedrius2149

Жыл бұрын

Rode a cargo bike Urban Arrow with auto shifting (not shimano) in my past job, it works really smooth, but I miss the sound of my rapid fire shifters. Also when I normally shift I reduce the power I put on the pedals so the chain can go over smoothly, which is pretty much impossible to time right with auto shifting

This seems like a better fit for something like a nuvinci that is infinitely variable under power. The drivetrain crunching is brutal here!

I'm 63 now. If I start saving I should be able to buy one when I retire at 66 !!

Looks great! Definitely the future. But it sounds way rougher on component’s than manual at the moment. I am sure I will have this sometime in the future

Very nice but there sounds to be a lot of banging coming from that drive train changing gear under full load, I wonder if we are about to have a chain snapping epidemic 🤔😬

"Longer component life"? How exactly? Those crackling noises under load indicate quite the opposite.

Nice, when no derailleur with real gearbox.

@Renovatio2142

Жыл бұрын

soon

@SimonBauer7

Жыл бұрын

this is what i want. good cheap hub gears.

@LastAphelion

Жыл бұрын

Gearboxes excite me and I want to try them and I'm excited to see them evolve in the future, but the biggest turn off is the current inability to shift under load, this is the greatest weakness for gearboxes on emtbs when even if you are currently in the right gear to climb, your angle and traction constantly changes on a challenging climb and you're left having to cut power to shift. Sounds extremely complicated to make autoshift work with a gearbox

@Alex-uh1mj

Жыл бұрын

Valeo has one.. bafang launch at eurobike

so when i manually shift as im climbing i can time it so i take off some pedal pressure. How does this system NOT lead to that horrible gear grinding and destruction of your equipment. I know its more durable, but i cant imagine its good for it when you are pressing hard up a hill and it just shifts anytime it wants. otherwise, sounds really neat.

@jannetuovinen6371

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing. I think all this system does is you don't need to press the shifter trigger anymore but the gear change will remain exactly the same as manual shifting.

Awesome tech

Ok from the sound of it you can tell it eats the material. Thanks for showing us. Now I know I won't switch to such things. Always good that this channel shows us what to avoid ❤❤❤ I like you very much 🎉

@Maciusialke

Жыл бұрын

yup, the same

This gotta be the future, is the battery pretty small hopefully? This turns every bike into nearly a car in ease of use, or put this in one of those carbikes velomobiles, obviously, been wondering when this would come out and very glad it has. Congrats and great work!

How much? Forget it!

Next in line: auto-pedaling

@H3avyHaul3r

Жыл бұрын

lol

This looks amazing ! What I have not yet seen on any review of these type of systems is Battery life and how to recharge them or are they replaceable batteries . Otherwise an awesome test !

@nathanwheelock3813

23 күн бұрын

It runs off the bikes battery :)

It's a bit rowdy listening to a motor on an e-bike on a ride, listening to the gears crunching away as well might just be a bit too much for me (not that I'd put it on my muscle bikes either) !

I’m waiting for Shimano cues. Supposedly they will exclusively feature link glide. And if this video tells me anything, it’s that link glide is exceptionally good at shifting under load.

Before watching I predicted 5 wheelie turns in the video and I think I nailed it.

Shimano was able to do what enthusiasts did more than 10 years ago ... What a progress, something like with an electronic suspension, although it was even more fun with it because they actively demanded to remove the publications of enthusiasts because they violate copyrights and don’t care that they were before official developments

Great reason to add 2000 to the price tag 😂 but we will pay it because we love it! Personally i would hold off until an integrated system is achieved, fair play for this system and the research into automation. This would be a respectable decision for any new bike released. There are rumours of a gearbox / integrated unit being developed by Shimano as we speak.

Now i could see this being useful for the kids, cant count the amount of times I have to resue a kid fallen on a hill, and get to them and they are still in 7th and never shifted down. Could be alright for bikepacking type rides but like driving a truck I would likely want to shift myself and get frustrated when it shifts at times, hate autoshift on trucks.

Nice to see some advancement in the bicycle industry. Ebikes are becoming a very reliable and a viable replacement in the real world. I'm 18k miles on my ebike motor and it's not required any replacement parts yet. Autoshift is used in other vehicles so why not bicycles.

the psi on the chain linkage must me immense on some changes, because it will change gear as you would expect, but at times you might not expect it, still a great tool to help you

@----.__

Жыл бұрын

Pascals or N/m² instead of PSI. PSI is in reference to a vacuum or atmospheric pressure at sea level.

@twowheelpilot

Жыл бұрын

​@@----.__ or foot pounds.

@CurvedSlightly

Жыл бұрын

PSI? The fuck kinda school did you go to?

@aymericpeten761

Жыл бұрын

@@----.__ psi is still valid here if he's talking about the pressure between the chain and the gearring

Hello eMBN, do you know if it will be possible to mount the new Di2 XT 12 speed on bikes with EP8 (DU-EP800)? Of course without Free/Auto shift as DU-EP801 is needed. Thx

@Velogi

3 ай бұрын

At least Di2 XT 11 speed is OK with EP800 - I have driven such bike and it works cool!

5:08 Autoshift failure. No, it wasn't rider error but a clear demonstration autoshift's inability to anticipate and accommodate upcoming terrain changes.

That Di2 cable to the rear mech looks a bit shoddy....One snag of a branch and.......Ha !!

A solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. More expensive more complex and gives bike manufacturers more reason to charge us more money. When I started riding an expensive bike was £1000+. Now it’s more expensive to buy a mtb than a car! Not for me

@fraser6127

Жыл бұрын

in what world is it more expensive to buy a mtb than a car??

@Ryzza5

Жыл бұрын

@@fraser6127 compare cheapest new car with most expensive EMTB perhaps? Or consider that you get a lot more motorcycle for your money compared to high end EMTBs.

@----.__

Жыл бұрын

@@fraser6127 I recently bought a BMW 1 series to drive around the UK with my bike. It cost 3x *less* than my MTB, and it's not even an electric MTB. So to answer your question; this world.

@fraser6127

Жыл бұрын

@@----.__ what are you comparing? A 15 year old car with 100,000 miles to a brand new top spec mtb? Hardly apples to apples is it. I can buy a old studio flat in the northeast for less than a new BMW 5 series, does that mean cars are more expensive than houses now?

@----.__

Жыл бұрын

@@fraser6127 _"in what world is it more expensive to buy a mtb than a car??"_ You're the one that posed the question, I simply answered it with a real world example. To answer your second question, yes. Cars are more expensive than studio flats. I would have thought that was obvious.

Nicely done. Even though you and the bike handled that abruptly encountered climb, I'm still thinking last minute shifting can't compete with human predicting. In other words manual shifting would start the climb in the correct gear, where as auto uses part of the climb to understand gradient - risking a failed climb. Maybe A3 setting: "Siri, I need 2nd gear" LOL

i'd be interested to see how long the chain lasts and how it works when components start to wear. id imagine it puts even more pressure on the chain. I think this looks fantastic for technical descents and especially in an enduro race decent but i'd be tempted to switch to manual for accents. this system with the internal gearbox would be the ultimate system..... good to see tech moving forward again.

reminds me of slipper cutches for MX, those who have love it those who dont just have different skills , cool tech but not for 99%

NICE REVIEW

How would you go on to retrofit this system on a bike with EP801 already installed? As far as I understand, you need a Di2 derailleur, shifter - and headunit? Do they need to be specific ones or?

Super stoked is two words.

Motor gearbox combos you would think will be in the works soon. Hey Steve? How much faster in the real world….! On trails. Test 1. Is this something else that needs charged up ? The so called cheap SX/NX on my husky has 400 hard miles on it trouble free so far. Happy Trails.

I like it . However the question is how long will the drive train last? Great content embn

@anonymousone6075

Жыл бұрын

not long judging on how clean that bike stayed for the whole video

@mremtb7689

Жыл бұрын

Well he said 300% longer than the hyperglide which is very good

So i think this is great….now if I could only get a hold of a one. That said, the Canyon Spectral CFR has the 12 Speed version, and Im pretty sure you were testing the 11speed system. According to Shimano, the 11 speed cassette is 3x more durable than other cassettes which is key in eMTB. Thoughts?

@twosencefromcleveland6084

Жыл бұрын

Go back to the couch.

How long does the chain and cogs last. I have had 2 sets of clusters and chainring and 4 chains on my turbo levo in 2 years. That's about 10000 km.

Gee wiz, do they actually think we need that 🤔 😂

@anonymousone6075

Жыл бұрын

Shimano board meeting "how can we sell more chains and cassettes"

But prey tell where can you actually buy the auto shift kit from and is it complete or do you factor what you have existing on your bike

Idk if auto shift is for everyone. You have to be going up some narly climbs to benefit from it. For me im happy with the GX system. When my ship comes in maybe ill be the cool kid on the block.

@SimonBauer7

Жыл бұрын

even then youd not want that. imagine it randomly shifting. thats just asking for problems.

How is shifting under full load going to prolong your drive chain? If it decides to shift based on load then its always shifting loaded. Im not sure, looked and sounded cleaner when you shifted manually before the climb

I want it. The thing with Shimano is they make it so complicated to figure out what you have to buy.

Pinion need to collab with Bosch,Shimano or Yamaha. To have motor and transmission in one . And to finally get rid of derailleur.

I've been looking for a link that has this bike listed with all the auto shift features on it but am unable to find anything with cost or models that have this. Is there a link to this bike and cost. Thank you

@flosiate

Жыл бұрын

same problem for me

nice piece of tec…but i dont know if those things take it too far so that original riding is even more disappiring😮

I might have missed it, but does this have to be used on a shimano motor, or is it just the drivetrain? Thanks

in case you are reading the comments Mr Shimano….we need some 150mm cranks for the EP8 motor ASAP…thank you

@downhill64

Жыл бұрын

Yes more size options with cranks for sure

Cruise control next please Shimano 😅

I have the 2022 Spectral:On in the same colour way as this. Will it work the di2 system as I believe is the EP8 motor not the EP801

@Velogi

3 ай бұрын

This feature is not supported with EP800

Is this standard on this bike been looking on the web store and see no mention of autoshift bikes yet ?

is the chain on the wrong way? the clips show the chain with black chain links facing out, with hyperglide it is the other way round so the branding faces out

Can I add this to my 2023 spectral:on cf8?

Nice kit but still only making old tech more fancy. Bring on the motor gearbox unit...

Has anyone been able to buy LinkGlide components in the UK? I've been looking and found that stock of these components is still very patchy, 2 years after it was launched.

How long until they are self riding?😮

Just like ABS on bicycles, another solution to a problem that doesn't really exist. Like already mentioned, it just makes MTB's more expensive with tech for the sake of tech.

When the bods in white coats come out with an auto shift/ free shift system that is compatible with a full phat Bosch motor, then and only then will I give the concept the time of day.

Why does my EP8 motors display have the M for manual when that's all there is?

I quite like shifting :)

I can just imagine

Off the subject. Do you ever think pedal power will be introduced to charge the battery?

Is this why I have never been able to ride up a hill before? Perhaps my brain is different to others? Luckily or perhaps miraculously signals to my thumb seems to be instantaneous making gear changing thoughtless.

I really like the tech but I reckon it would be better for the cassette and chain to shift in advance before going up the slope. I never like the creaking sound you get when you shift under load.

it's sounds very harsh when changing . is that putting a lot of stress on the chain and cassette ?

Are there any road bikes with this technology?

So in which year is this tech going to be ubiquitous on the majority of EMTBs including entry level?

@anonymousone6075

Жыл бұрын

probably never, bet you'd need to take 5 spare chains on every ride

@Ryzza5

Жыл бұрын

​@@anonymousone6075 hopefully eBikes bring in a huge new wave of demand which can help to reduce prices over time but yeah I do find it surprising how similarly priced EMTBs are to motorcycles and besides a few risky Ali Express options there doesn't seem to be any way to get the best tech from 5 years ago for a low price.

Can the E7000 do Auto shifting? 1. "Compatible with Di2 RD-M8050" "D) Gear shifting mode* 2.Displays current gear shifting mode as [A] (Auto)or [M] (Manual)."

Noisy shifts... but if the chain and cassette are designed to take that extra abuse without shortening their life then it seems like a great idea. Now we just need Shimano and Sram to collaborate and combine linkglide and the new derailleur mounting system into an industry standard... probability wishfull thinking 😂

@embn

Жыл бұрын

The new system was designed to withstand shifting under load - they specifically designed the chain and tooth profiles to withstand it, which in turn allows a system like Auto Shift to work.

@mugnog333

Жыл бұрын

@@embn But does it hurt Shimao if more chains and cartridges have to be bought because of higher usage? :)

@nicolapellegrino1072

Жыл бұрын

​@Electric Mountain Bike Network made to withstand the shifting under load... ok I can understand but that's the same a wrong way to shift gears and only in emergency situations should be done, that fact that is considered "normal" in my opinion is a bad advice.

@SimonBauer7

Жыл бұрын

​@@embn uh no. there is much more force involved. even if the chain is somehow hardened it is still shit. you cant change basic physics.

Road bikes, smooth riding, single track and chill stuff, this is probably a good system, but truthfully, absolutely no way do I want a computer making decisions like this for me when IT cannot see the terrain I am riding, it cannot compensate for sudden terrain changes and personal ride adjustments - I believe this will do a few things - give uneducated shifting based people more excuses to not understand active shifting and just snap chains and cog teeth, and never actually teach them anything, make riders even lazier and just not actively think about what they're doing - I love innovative Analogue AND E-MTB tech, but this for me is too far, integrated gearboxes, Yes, Automated smart gear changing based on ride style, nope, On Yer Bike Pal!! :D good video tho Steve :)

Only a good idea if they implement a continuous gear system. You really don't want the gears shifting without warning under load. Plus it's an unnecessary strain on the drivetrain.

It's all cool and that, I love technology and everything to make things better, easier, more reliable, long lasting, etc......but hey, sometimes you need to ask, does it make really a big difference to your riding?...I still have to try it...But the real problem is cost, bicycles are costing more than motorbikes with all that...

I want that NOW !

Can any EP8 bike be easily upgraded?

SRAM released T-Type transmission and now Shimano automatic transmission? Competition is great!

I wish I had the option of buying free shift for an mtb not just emtb.

Looks like the point of this is for people who don’t know how to ride bikes/E bikes. I’ll bet many inexperienced riders lugging the bike up hill in the wrong gear in turbo ruining the life span of the motor.

It this tech gonna be another few thousand on the ebikes ?

Where is that in the background. What city please? It looks a bit like Squamish, BC Canada.

@embn

Жыл бұрын

This video was filmed in the hills around Riva Del Garda, in Italy.

@Mike-jx7co

Жыл бұрын

@@embn Thank you. Now I know where to go Mtn biking in Italy. Looks sick.