I believe that unit fits my DIY Chinese Bucket 😊 I will have to take a closer look into it. Thanks for the Info David👍

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Could well do Allan. Cheers 🍻🍻🍻

Excellent and very helpful as normal. I've order one yesterday from Kegland Site on Ali and it should be here in a couple of weeks (only 4 left). I was seriously considering a B40 but now I think my G30 will do just fine for now until I get a lot more brews under my belt and save up for a very long time haha :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Paul.

A new video :) Great. Thx. Love your videos.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, great to hear :)

We have the Spike Brewing steam condenser lid for our 30 gallon SS Brewtech kettle. It fits just about right but we clamp it down a little to get a good suction. It works very well and greatly reduces boil off which is great for us as we are running close to a full boil kettle so we can make more beer! I have found it helps to let it boil for a few minutes and let it settle down before adding the first boil hop addition as the hops can foam up and just coat the inside of the condenser lid which is a pain. Learnt that from experience. Our control panel has a plug socket and switch to control the pump which is useful. It uses a LOT of water but we run the waste water via a garden hose and another little submersible pump up to our pool. The biggest benefit is that we have reduced our heating element power consumption to 40-50% and of course we no longer have steam flying everywhere and dripping from the ceiling of the garage back into the kettle.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds great to me Gordon. I love the look of Spikes range of equipment. Would love to try it but it is sadly not available outside the US.

thx David, very similar to the Cheekypeak one

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Ken.

Did my first brew with this today. Tested with water first and all was fine but with wort and hops its boiling over, even though I've let it settle out first. This was just with the 1900 w element. Will try just the 500 w next time. Worked as it was meant to with a lesser volume of wort.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

Hmm that is odd but conditions and volumes do vary.

Thank you for this interesting video. Just a few weeks too late for me, though :-). I am looking forward to switch from my Grainfather G30 to a Brewtools B40 in the future. Since I recently migrated from our house's main kitchen to my own brew kitchen without any possibility to let the steam out, I had to find a steam condensing solution and decided to buy the Brewtools Steam Condenser before even having a B40 kettle. I use the lid from the Grainfather Conical Fermentor, which also fits well on the G30. Then I added a 1,5" to 2" Adapter to connect the Brewtools Steam Condensor. This setup worked really well in my first two brews.

@fsbbs

2 жыл бұрын

UT destroys comments containing web links. :-/ However I'll try to let you look at photos of my G30 + Brewtools setup, for those who are interested. You may look at the site frankensteiner in the domain familie-steinberg within the toplevel domain org. There is an article on my steam condensor from 2022-02-04. A brew day article from 2022-02-13 contains some more photos.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Great. Yes I have the Brewtools condenser and steam hat. Very cool stuff but pricey.

@fsbbs

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Yes, I would wish I had learned about this Kegland device before. Also because of the extra hole for hop additions.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, pretty handy.

I was looking at these recently. They don't appear to be available in the UK just yet though although you can purchase through ali express for delivery next christmas.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

This is a very new product, I would think you will see it very soon though.

This is the video we have all been waiting for! (also evil thoughts about moonshine appear)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Haha. Cheers Greg 🍻🍻🍻

@MrYishaiShields

2 жыл бұрын

Moonshine on KZread has exploded.... I want someone from beertube to crossover.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Not something I can do, its illegal in Norway sadly.

One for the G40 would be a winner for me. Currently my G40 has a boil off rate @4.5 litres an hour and, it doesn’t take long for thing to get quite messy. Thanks for sharing

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

I agree James.

@James-sf5bb

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew I’m sure someone will come out with one soon? Though I think grainfather are missing a trick here. Just out of curiosity, how much water was used for the experiment? Or more so, how much water would you typically use on say a 1 hour boil? I know it’s a subjective question and, there’s other variables to account for? But a ball park figure would be great. Thank you

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the G40 could really benefit from it for sure. Impossible to say as I have no way to measure the water flow going in. It is just a fine mist though, so not lots.

@djn3kkid

2 жыл бұрын

@@James-sf5bb a quick guesstimate would be roughly the boiloff-rate, and the water should come out at a nice cleaning temp :)

@James-sf5bb

2 жыл бұрын

@@djn3kkid maybe if i can setup a pump and chill the waste water from my RO system and use that? That way, i pretty much utilise all water that would have otherwise been wasted. But i definitely like the idea of rigging one of these up in the near future 👍🏻

I see this product relevant for boil times of 60 minutes or greater. Although I understand the purpose of this device, I am now starting to do 30 minute boils, and between guarding for boil-overs and adding the immersion chiller five minutes before the end of boil, I frankly see this product as more of a hassle than useful for just 15-20 minute use it will see for each boil.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Fair points, naturally it depends on your situation totally as to how useful this will be.

@WaterWolfQCI

Жыл бұрын

Some of us brew in northern areas. Where winter temps reach -45. This is great for us :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

For sure

I'd imagine the moisture within the condenser would cause whole leaf hops to stick. Is the solution to use pellets for hop additions and how carefully do you have to add them?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

I am not sure if it would but then I’ve only used pellets for a very long time now. No special treatment needed. No special treatment needed.

How do you know when the sealed system has reached boil - just temperature setting? Or the sound, or both?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 ай бұрын

Quite likely both I would say 😎🍻

Perhaps a stupid question, but when I use the lid that comes with my brewzilla with the hole in it, it usually boils over, is that not a worry using this lead that completely seals??

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Ай бұрын

When you boil, do not use the lid, this is just for mashing 🍻🍻🍻

I am interested in solving this issue myself, for my G30. I'm having some difficulty finding a UK version of these products as of Aug 2022. It would be useful to be able to boil indoors! The other option I had considered is using a portable inline extractor/ventilator - these are an axial flow fan and a flexible hose, but I'm not sure how obnoxiously loud this would be for my neighbours!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

This set up fits the G30 perfectly. Any retailer in the UK that sells Kegland products can obtain these. Try Angel Homebrew or Brew, Keg, Tap for example.

@dajw

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Fantastic - thank you!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

🍻🍻🍻

@dajw

2 жыл бұрын

An initial search reveals that there may still not be a UK distro for the product, even at those stores. All that's coming up is AliExpress (Which I'm not averse to using but would rather support a local store). I will email each of them. Have messaged The Malt Miller already.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, emails will be a great option.

Thanks, David - Interesting product. I use an immersion chiller - What would be the minimum time I'd need to leave it in the boil to sterilise it for use when chilling? 15 mins?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

I would give it at least a few minutes in boiling wort. No need for as long as 15.

@steventhompson9319

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Great, thank you. Looking to invest in one of these, and the new lid, just trying to work out of it's worth it - taken into consideration the time I'd need to have the lid off. Your videos have been invaluable.

I might have missed it but I didn't hear the product name/manufacturer or see the link below. Is this the spike brewing condenser lid? How many liters of water did you get in the waste bucket for a 5gal brew, 1 hour boil?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

It it made by Kegland. About 3L I would say. I never boil for 60 mins these days though.

Ty David for the video. Will this hat increase the boil?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

It will reduce the amount of power needed to boil but at the same time will reduce the boil off losses. Also the water you use to condense can be used as your cleaning water but as it isnt much it becomes part of the cleaning water not all. It is win - win really.

Hi David - any chance you can share specifics on the connections you used for the connection to the water inlet, please?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

These are hoselock fittings which are very common in Europe for garden hoses.

@christopherlane486

Жыл бұрын

If you have a Harbor Freight near you, not sure what country your in, they sell a pack of 2 with 4 male connectors for $7 USD.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

🍻🍻🍻

I have a lot of problems with overboiling with this condenser. Very large bubbles form that push out at the top. Am I the only one with the problem?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 ай бұрын

I would suggest contacting where you bought it. Ive not had this issue personally.

Would this would work on a brewtools B40 system? Obviously with the 4” adaptor. Thanks for the videos!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry but I have not tested this.

Hi! Did you adjust the power for the boil ? I know they recommend to set it to 50% power and adjust the boil of rate on the "original" steam condenser they sell at Brewshop. I bought the brewzilla condenser my self, and are planning to test this in the coming days. Also at the "original" condenser they say that is uses 0.6 L pr minute at 4 bar pressure. would it not be in the same ballpark with the brewzilla, or do this simply need less water. As I have read from your comments, it is just a mist and you suspect arroundd 3 liters for a complete boil ? Or did I misunderstand that part. Thanks anyways for GREAT content videos. Keep em coming :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks Svein. I do not know much about their version but this one has been designed by professional engineers and its design is positioned around water economy. A very low fine mist did the job really well as shown in this video. I no longer have a G30, I sold that when I got the G40, so I have not tested this on anything but the Brewzilla which has more powerfull heating elements compared to the G30 and was run at full power. Not that you can adjust this on the current Brewzillas though. I suspect this will come with Gen 4 this summer.

@Sveinerikb

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! will test out accordingly :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy 🍻🍻🍻

! Please help ! I really would like to get the steam condenser set, but the US disturbing place that I've used before says they don't have enough interest in that product, KegLand doesn't ship internationally. Any ideas on How can I get this kit?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Ali Express, there is an official store.

did you also lift it up when stirring in the hops?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I would yes.

Is anyone using one of these with an aquarium pump for the cold water side? Just wondered if that might be possible in an effort to conserve water?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

You could probably do that if you iced the water. It will depend on the power level though.

I know you can't estimate accurately how much water was used vs boiled off, but what was the total volume of water that you ended up with after a one hour boil, altogether?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

I dont actually boil for an hour any more but I would expect 3L or there abouts. It will depend on other variables though like humidity and so on. This waste water can be used for cleaning though, so no big deal.

@achowe9313

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew that's very manageable - thanks!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

🍻🍻🍻

Hi David. My Brewzilla Steam Condenser arrived (very impressed with the quality) and I did a test as you suggested so I can update the GF app. My boil of rate is now approx 1L\hour. The GF app default is 3L\hour and I was wondering if these were the figure you were achieving? Thanks in advance :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, sounds about average to me Paul. Lower boil off is nice 🍻

@paulrobertson9439

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks First brew just finished with new toy/essential brew shed equipment. and 30min boil. Far better as shed no longer a dripping sauna and 20L of hot water for clean up.. :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear 🍻🍻🍻

@christopherlane486

Жыл бұрын

Hi Paul. Are you brewing on the 35L Gen 4? I just got the condenser kit and am setting up my GF app. Would you mind sharing your GF app equipment settings?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

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Hello David, do you know if the Brewzilla 35l Pro Sight glass Distillation/Steam condenser hood, fits the GF G30? Thanks

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

I suspect that it will, on the basis that this one does, I just cannot verify because I no longer have a G30.

@guyschmaedeke9950

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I’m sorry to hear you’ve moved on from the G30, it was very convenient for recipes and the various DIY stuff you’ve shared. 🤣 Skål 🍻

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

Cheers guy. The thing is all my recipes can be used with any brewing system

Hi David, what lid did you use on this video?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

The basic Brewzilla distilling lid. Works well and its cheap 🍻

Would something like this be appropriate for distilling brewing water from poor quality and inconsistent water which I have in my area? Would be a good use for excess solar power during the day.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

No, it is not suitable for distilling, just stream condensing.

@duncan4307

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Why isn't this suitable for distilling? Doesn't seem to be alot different from the pot still that's at Kegland?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

It may look similar but its process is to simply convert steam into water rather than distilling.

@duncan4307

Жыл бұрын

​ @David Heath Homebrew Isn't that what distilling is though? Convert steam to liquid form? Only thing that this doesn't have is the ability to see the temperature. But since it's tri-clamp, it seems rather easy to extend this design with another module to tell the temperature. Does this system leak or something like that?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

Sorry but no. You cannot use this product to distill with. Would be great if you could of course 🍻🍻

For your setup, how much is the variation of the evaporated water compared to the "normal" case?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure what a normal case would be. My water use was very minimal and what was collected was added to more water for cleaning. I do not have a flow meter to see how much water was actually used in total.

@luigistrippoli8128

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew What I meant is to have a reference of a comparison of the liters lost during boil in both configurations (with or without condenser). For example: boil rate without it -> 3 liters/hour, with it -> 2,5 liters / hour (of course if you have these values)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

At this point I really do not have enough data to conclude this. It is also something you would need to test for yourself to dial in within your own brewing environment and volume.

@luigistrippoli8128

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Sure, each setup has different values, but generally the fratio of the 2 values (so the difference in %) shouldn't vary a lot. Anyway, thanks :-)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

It is highly recommended that you perform your own tests to find boil off as this can actually vary a fair bit.

Can you still circulate the water whilst brewing?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

8 ай бұрын

You would only use this during the boil. 🍻🍻🍻

Having just purchased (waiting on delivery) the Grainfather S40, I too, am trying to figure out a decent steam condenser solution. No one, that I'm aware of, makes a domed lid that is 19" (48.25cm) in diameter. The only solution I can imagine is drilling into an existing (or another) Grainfather s40 lid, putting in the 2" TC Bulkhead and then attaching the Brewzilla steam condenser. The flat lid is not ideal but without a domed lid there's very little that can be done currently. The good thing is the lid for the S40 clamps down so that takes the "lid's going to topple over" aspect out of the way. :D Thanks for the video!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Yes there is no off the shelf solution sadly but with some creative adaption I think you will be able to put a solution together.

Does it affect the purging of off flavour creating chemicals in any way?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Not at all.

@rimmersbryggeri

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Thats good.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

🍻🍻🍻

Thank you David for yet another great video. I have now performed 2 brews with the condenser and am very puzzled to have so little boiloff? I have boiled for 60 minutes, a 26 liter batch, and hardly get 1 liter boiloff using the steam condenser to my Brewzilla 65L. How come?? Even the 2 tests with only water and different volumes gives the same result. Cheers

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Stefan, it is very normal to see a vastly reduced boil off with reductions of 75%. You will also not need to use the same amount of power to boil too. These are 2 of the key features of using a steam condenser in brewing.

Hi David. How Do i attach the t piece to the Lid? Thx

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

This is attached with a tri clamp.

@iamonky

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Thx but there Was no bulkhead in the package. And Ali express does not Ship that Part to Austria. Do you have an idea where i can purchase the bulkhead for the 65 Liter Lid? Thx a lot

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

It really depends on where you live. The easy way is to contact Kegland in Australia asking for your nearest stockist.

I build my own for BB70

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Great 🍻🍻🍻

How about dimethyl sulfide?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

SMM levels in grain are at an all time low and issues with DMS these days tend to be fermentation driven. A common finding if you were to draw multiple samples throughout the boil is that after only 30-45 min DMS levels are below detectable levels (under 25ppb) usually when brewing with mainstream malt. However, if you are using low modified farm malt then this could be different.

David, any experience with this and the boil off of DMS? ex: Any chance the DMS will be trapped in the condencer and would it be beneficial to leave the GF open without the the steam condencer attached at the very end of the boil? Also, on my first attempt at feeding in 0.6 liter of water per minute, the discharge water is not warm as expected. Any idea how this is possible, as the kettle was boiling fine at 100 degrees..?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

Hi, DMS these days from malt is super unlikely. No issues around using these. The steam water will cool quickly as it is in small amounts.

How many water did you use in 1 hour ?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Impossible to say as I have no way to measure to water being used.

@123kkkable

2 жыл бұрын

Zależy od ciśnienia wody, ale nie dużo. U mnie 5 10l się zbiera ale to też skroplin

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

The only way to know is with a flow meter, which I do not have, though it is just a fine mist which could be emulated into a bucket through the parts without steam to condense for a measurement.

@krzyzak3465

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew The measure is very easy. All water in bucket minus water from stream. You knew how many wather is from stream, becouse is the difference between pre and post boiling.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

I believe the only accurate way would be by using a flow meter. You can estimate by other means though, as you mention.

I do not like the amount of hair in your water. Yes, it will filter out, but...yuck! Reminds me of the time me and my brew partner used his house and bottles, ended up with a cockroach in the last bottle of a great tasting imperial stout. Of course, we picked the bug out and continued drinking, but we were kind of grossed out too. Kind of.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

11 ай бұрын

It can happen. Beers brewed during the summer can have a fair amount of extra protein too.

WOW..! What a nice piece of totally unnecessary expensive equipment that is. !

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

I guess it depends on your situation to determine if it is unnecessary. If you are brewing outside then sure! As for expensive it is all relative but this is cheaper than most other similar solutions.

@barmyarmy1363

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Hi David, Great video's, very informative thanks.. After looking at the video i came to the conclusion that a straight up dephlegmator would do a better job, half the size and cost of the advertised piping / Condenser.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have not tried one personally but I guess you would need to do some custom work and then testing. I think if it was a better and cheaper option that this would be the route other companies would take to tackle steam in brewing though.

@losFondos

Жыл бұрын

​@@barmyarmy1363 can you provide a link to it? The issue might be getting the condensate back into the kettle