Very nice tutorial. You're especially correct about having a small hopper becoming a bother.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Many thanks Larry :)

Thanks for this video David. I was about to get a cheap mill but changed my mind watching this and stepped up to a MM3.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

I would avoid cheap mills personally, it's a false economy because they do not last as long.

Wow! Love the bugs in there!!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Haha. Great for extra protein! :) No, actually this was some old grain that was just used for shooting this video.

Great eye opener!! Thanks David

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Great, thank you :)

Great video, love the dry humor.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks James :)

a couple of years ago i used my wife's credit card, it created some cold in the house as the rollers were too tight at first, but the rollers are perfectly adjusted and the heat has returned again :) Thanks for the video, I love educational videos and it shouldn't surprise me if I make mistakes when I brew. Maybe also something with temperature in context to grain, sweet, bitter, as well as the hops by boiling.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Great to hear Allan :)

You took the words right out of my mouth, "wife's credit card"... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Haha :)

Thanks David, your video was very helpful!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear 🍻🍻🍻

Hey David, laughed at the credit card reference. Reminds me of someone who said that his credit card had been stolen - but he doesn't want to get it back because the thief is spending less than his wife had been.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Haha :)

I got myself a Mattmill Master from Germany. German made. Excellent mill doing my 5kg grain bills by hand in a lazy 10 minutes without much effort.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome :)

Nice video :) Poor bug went through your mill(3m26s), guess extra proteins :D Love your videos David. Spread the best hobby in the world. I use a Brewferm mill. Happy with that one. Bought it think 5 years ago, and its still good as new. Adjusting you mill.. with credit card. Its important that you adjust it on the "name" of card. This will give you a gap between 1.1 and 1.2 mm(as you do by "pushing" it through). The base credit card varies between 0,8 and 1 mm. might be a bit to "fine" crush.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Tom Helge Hjørnevik Thanks Tom. Yes people using this method will get to around 1.2 which for many is about right. International credit card sizes only vary a tiny amount, keep in mind this is just ATM type cards nothing else. Ive not tried the Brewferm mill but it looks reasonable.

@Wild-Boar-Brewing

5 жыл бұрын

You're right. When I milled not using the embossed lettering on the card it was a bit dusty, using the lettering it was a good crush

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that becomes part of the width. It is right for many people, great to hear that it works for you also :)

Your SOH coming thru there David. Nice. Enjoyed the video, you've finally provided an answer as to whether embossed or unembossed thickness, thanks. Don't know if grain size differs from North to South hemispheres, I'm running my mill at 1.25mm and feel I should increase to 1.3mm. A malt processor here recommends 1.5mm which I found too much.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

haha thanks Peter. Yes, some will need to tweak. 1.5mm would work for some, depends on the grain used and drilling speed. On a large mill with no milling speed control you need to go higher to avoid shreading the malt.

"I use my wife's credit card so that if I do damage it, then it can actually save me money." This is why I watch this channel. :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks Kevin. :)

In case you don't have time to watch the whole video: Most important tip is to use your wife's credit card.

@mzmagister

5 жыл бұрын

Love your pixel hop. Is it yours? If yes can i have it for my logo? :)

@canilsenmusic

5 жыл бұрын

@@mzmagister I found it through google image search, so feel free to use it, I didn't make it

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Haha

@RichardCockerill

5 жыл бұрын

lol

Great video. What is your opinion on 2 vs. 3 rollers? I use an electric BIAB system so I would need a very fine crush.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :) I have owned and used 2 roller versions in the past and now have 3. I do not experience much difference really at all. Should be no issue getting a fine crush with any quality mill.

At the 3:30 mark, you just milled a few beetles. Let us know how that tastes lol

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

It was extra protein! :) No, actually this was some old grain that was just used for shooting this video.

I've got a conical burr grain grinder that goes from flour fine to barely crushed. I have use it to "crush" some malt for my grainfather and it ended up pretty ok. I have both used pre crushed malt and malt crushed with my mill and was happy with either resulting beer. I've made it a habit of always using some rise hulls. What are the downsides of useing such a mill insead of a proper grain crusher? I am using that mill because i already got one at home. Would it be advisable that i get a proper grain mill?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Much more control basically. You will be able to get the grain crush you need :)

David, You mentioned grinding drill speed, I don't go top end but get a lot of particles in my wort is their a good RPM to focus on?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Dave, yes drilling speed is important. I cannot tell you an RPM but I do show the speed visually within this video :)

Dear David, thanks again for all the info and the videos you share. If I remember well, l you were using a Robobrew or Grainfather when you were making this video of gap-setting your mill. Now, you are using a Brewzille gen 4 brewing kettle. Did you change your gap as the efficiency of the Brewzilla is different from the Robobrew/Grandfather. I am curious about this as I am struggling with the right gap-setting with my new Brewzilla gen 4 35L.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

11 ай бұрын

Hi, I am still using a very similar crush personally, however I now use the Grainfather electric mill. The gap can be set differently very quickly if needed. Some grain can vary in size.

Hey David! Great video. I’m looking to get a grain mill here in the next week and based off this video. I’m leaning towards buying a monster mill. I do have one question, would you recommend their standard 2 roller mill? Or their 3 roller mill? I just want to make sure I make the right decision since this will be a large investment, but I know it is very needed. Thank you!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bryan. I have 2 grain mills:- MM 3 pro and the grainfather electric grain mill. The GF mill is cheaper and actually my favourite. Check this out:- kzread.info/dash/bejne/aKR4pZmSo9zFhcY.html

@DavidHeathHomebrew would you reccomend the standard credit card width for the Brewzilla Gen4? I find with that setting I have a lot of particles making it through the gaps in the bottom screen and into my boil

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

Yes, for sure. Its a great starting point at the very least.

Hi David. I'm sure this question has been asked but might as well try. In South Africa its almost impossible to buy a grain mills like the monster mill as most are sold out. The only options available are hand mills like the Victoria Mill. Would you recommend it? Also I brew using a grain father(thanks to you I bought one)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, there is nothing wrong with hand mills. Its just more effort is all. Ive no recent experience of them though.

Damn, I was looking for a video exactly like this 6 days ago when I milled for the first time. Tip 1 - make sure your drill is set in the right direction 😀

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Haha, glad you found it for your next milling session.

Great video as always, great timing for me to as I've recently purchased a mill and am going to use for the first time next brew day. One question, I'm planning to buy my base malts in bulk 25kg sacks. Whats the best way of storing them? I was thinking large clip top plastic containers, I don't really want to keep them in the sacks as I'm concerned it'll make them to easy to get at for any mice that might sniff them out. Possibly help to keep bugs out too.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom. What I have used in the past are plastic drums that can be locked air tight. I add the sack into the drum and seal that also.

@2F51RL

4 жыл бұрын

@Tom Mulligan ; Rodents go thru even the thick black lids on 200 lt blue barrels in my rural area. Lucky I bought a heap of empty 20 litre steel ProFry drums from the best local fish & chip guy, who uses this dearer but healthier oil. [You do know the lipid hypothesis is bullshit, don't you? It's polyunsaturated fats which kill and disable]. Look around for a caterer who uses solid fat which comes in these sort of drums, not the mass-murdering cheapo ones who save a buck on seed oils like cottonseed ect. My guy had a sign up for $1 a drum, but I hit him when he had 40 piled up and when I handed him $10 he told me I could take the lot. He didn't have to tell me twice. For ultra long term storage, I bag grains into mylar with oxygen absorber sachets, and place in rodent-proof drums. Wheat, for example is good for 10 years minimum, white rice for 15+, so a year for malt grain is nothing. www.gffoodservice.com.au/product/profry-deep-frying-oil-20kg/

Very useful thank you as I'm looking at starting to mill my own. There is definitely a lot of mixed messages out there regarding storage of all brewing ingredients. Perhaps that could be a topic for one of your next excellent videos. Is freezing grain a realistic or viable option as some people seem to think? All the best :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul. Storage wise dry and cool works best but if thats an issue the fridge or freezer are also good options. I think I covered this in one of the “Brewing bad” videos.

Hi David, I have the 3 roller monster mill. I have it set to .040 inch which is just over 1.01mm. I'm having issues because my grain is smashed into small pieces. Any suggestions? thanks in advance

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Emil, widen the gap a little and test with a slower drill speed :)

I have a large, 1 kg capacity grinder that can grind almost anything including whole corn kernels into any dimension from coarse to flour. Would this work for homebrew grist? I'm planning to use an eBIAB with pump and whirlpool system.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

Hi, usually no as these do a very different job to a grain mill. A grain mill ideally with crack the kernal. A grinder destroys it.

Hi David, what is you're view on double crushing your grain when using an eBIAB system such as the Brewzilla?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 ай бұрын

If you are happy to not recirculate and add in stirring every 20 mins then that could work.

Love the married life humor on the credit card.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jordan 🍻🍻🍻

I have used a Crankenstein CMG 2D since 2007 with no issues. The only wear on that is when I get stones in the malt, wich is not uncommon in certain brands.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Yes stones can be very annoying for sure. Thanks for sharing :)

Hey David, should I buy a mill if my brew supplies shop has option of milling grains for me? They are only milling in 1kg packs so if recipe calls only for 100-300g of some grain I will by throwing the rest out, but the price of milling and grain is only a fraction of the better quality mill. So the mill will probably never pay itself. The quality of the crush is OK, sometimes I am not hitting the efficiency I am aiming for but that can be caused by many things... Thanks for Your thoughts

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I would urge every brewer to mill their own grain. This allows you to control the crush and dial in your brewing fully. This level of control is well worth the price but you are also gaining flexibility.

Very informative. I have my barley crusher set at .035mm and I ALWAYS have a stuck mash and sparge. You recommend.080mm???

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks John. Around 1.2 is where this method will get you and yes this will be far better. 0.35mm must be smashing you grain to bits!

@frankcooke794

5 жыл бұрын

Are you sure you don't mean 0.035 inches which is about 0.9mm which isn't too far off the mark?

@johnstepikura5993

5 жыл бұрын

I meant .035inch. That is credit card thickness. I guess I need to slow my flow on my RBv3 during circ.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Ahh ok, now I get it :) Try wet milling and widening the gap a small amount.

@steinh

5 жыл бұрын

Mill slower. Max 60 rpm.

Many thanks this is good advice and timely for me in nature.. Unfortunately using my Battery powered Drilling machine on low speed for an extended period, about 20 brews, screwed the speed controlker a little so I cannot grind so slowly now. My doctor says to use the manual handle because that would be good exercise. I ignore him. I have looked for speed reduction devices that we used to use many years ago when drills were electric and you needed a slow speed to cut holes with a hole saw. but they are silly prices. They are an epicyclic gearbox where you hold the outer circle with the hand and the planets go more slowly. Bit like a car automatic gearbox thingy.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks James. I am just using a pretty average cordless drill.

@jamesgoacher2433

5 жыл бұрын

Mine failed after maybe ten hours (guesswork) of 1 Hz use. It is not a budjet item either.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Ouch

Hi David! Planning my next brewday and i am still fiddling with my mill settings. I want to try conditioning the grain with water (2% of the grainbills weight as i read this is suggested). My question is, can I safely store the crushed grain in a tightly sealed bucket until the next day at room temps?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mattias, yes this is no problem. I do this quite often. Just make sure its as airtight as possible. Vacuum sealing with hold freshness for at least 6 months after milling.

@qevinflynn

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew thx a lot. I was just worried that it does sth to the milled grain as it would be milled conditioned with water and therefore a bit damp.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Its going to smell due to the dampness but it will be ok for this period.

Hi, David. Did you ever come across the grain gorilla mill? Is it good? Thanks

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

That is a new one for me.

Hi, is milling malt with a coffee bean grinding machine ok? It makes it like powder. Is it still fine or is a wrong way to mill malt for beer?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

I wish I could tell you something different but the truth is that it is totally unsuitable for milling grain for brewing. A much different crush is needed sadly and this requires a grain mill.

@Fabrizio_79

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew thank you. I appreciate it

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah not the best idea.

@Fabrizio_79

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickglaser1560 wow. A 2 years old question is still receiving answer. That's even funnier than the Italian crappy joke

Hey David, could you do a video on how to calculate you mash/sparge water needed. I used the app for this a few times but I keep ending up with too much/too little wort.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Already done if you own a GF kzread.info/dash/bejne/qHaeppNrZM3RedI.html . If not what are you using?

@kevinmrn

5 жыл бұрын

I should have checked :), thanks for the response. I brew with the GF yes. Keep up the good work and thanks for the informative vids!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

No problem, I guess I have covered most things :)

Will I be able to use a stone mill to crush grain for brewing?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

I suggest you just use a malt mill.

Hi David, I recently bought the Brewtools B40. Would the credit card method still be good at setting the gap for this system? Thanks!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, yes no problem :)

@msutterback71

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Great; thank you!

@CM-ef8fu

3 жыл бұрын

Hey. I also recently got my B40. Brewtools recommends for the standard filter (not the laser cut!) a grain crush between 1.2 and 1.3mm. I tried 1.3mm and my efficiency went down a lot. I'd recommend 1.1mm :-)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Good info :)

A Ha! Just bought a second hand 2 roller monster mill. I bet the guy was a BIAB brewer cause the crush is very fine. Credit card would not go in at all. I will borrow my Wife's credit card and gap it for my Grainfather. Thanks for the great video.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Great :) Should go on forever :) Yes, wifes credit card is essential :p

Hello David, I hope you (or anyone else ) can help me with gap setting. Is the gap setting different between 2 roller and 3 roller mills? My credit cards are around 0.7 mm thick, and Grainfather state that the gap should be about the double (1,3mm), that is a big difference.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

With the credit card gap by the time you have considered the raised details on it then you will have around 1.2-1.3mm. 2 or 3 roller makes no difference. Remember this is the ideal starting point. The grain you use will determine it.

@Runost1

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Thank you for the help. Maybe my credit card is particularly slim now after christmas. I think I should use my wife's card as well. :)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes, I know that feeling :p

Is a 3 roller that much better than 2?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Not really no.

Anyone else see the weevils running for their life at 3:27? LOL! a little extra protein comes out in the hot break, no biggie.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

Many did yes, check out the other comments 😎🙃

Beginning brewer here. If I correctly understand you don’t need to mill if you do brew in a bag?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

All grain needs to be milled for brewing. Many homebrew stores can do this for you though.

@justinh5125

3 жыл бұрын

You want a much finer mill if you do brew in a bag because it will increase efficiency of conversion, and you don't have to worry about a stuck sparge.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, for sure :)

can I use it as oatmeal miller?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Should be fine.

Any tips on reducing static when milling?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Are you using a grain mill with a motor?

@philemmabaker6938

5 жыл бұрын

I’m using a battery drill on slow speed into a plastic bucket

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

I would double check the rollers and make sure the gap is the same at both ends of the rollers. Also give the mill a really good clean taking it apart at periods. You can also experiment with wet milling. Static is never a problem I have had to face to be honest but I do regularly check the mill.

@2F51RL

4 жыл бұрын

@Phil/Emma Baker ; If static is an issue for you, take a tip from the coffee crowd, just 1-2 drops of water on the beans (say 16g) in grinder hopper, will cure it like magic.

Did those bugs in the grain 05:41 get milled correctly and add good flavour? LOL

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Sure did, great for extra protein :p

is it me or all your bolts the wrong way round?? id rater not have nyloc nuts on the inside of my hopper .

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

I believe I followed the instructions.

If its acceptable to store milled grain for a year is there much point in homebrewers getting a mill? If your equipment works fine with a standard crush,why not just buy enough for about a year (I imagine one or 2 25kg sacks will be enough for most) and get your economy of scale that way?

@2F51RL

4 жыл бұрын

Whole grain stores well, crushed grain starts oxidising (staling) in minutes.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

8 ай бұрын

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@DavidHeathHomebrew

8 ай бұрын

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How should wheat be crushed?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

I dont treat it very different to other base malts. Some double crush it but really wheat is never going to be super predictable unless it starts being grown with brewing in mind but that is unlikely.

Thanks again David for a nice video. I have send an email, please check if you got it. Best regards Stefan

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Many thanks Stefan, much appreciated :)

Sorry to brake it to you, David. But i think you got Tribolium castaneum beetle's in your malt storage. @5:40. But maybe you don't mind the extra protein ;)

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Haha yes I saw them. This was some old grain that I just used for the purpose of this video. If you add 50g of them then they are great for head retention :p hehe

@bryggern

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Ha ha! Nice 😀

I use .85mm a bit wider than a credit card. Dont get stuck sparges.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

That is credit card thickness :) They can be as much as .90mm also. If you follow this method then your gap with be a little wider though. 1.2 or so really.

@davidalmond6019

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew Hi David, think we have discussed gaps before :) . From Google the standard credit card thickness is .76mm which was way too narrow and it lead me to killing my first GF lol (long story). At 1.2 mm my grain literally falls through the gap almost untouched.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, ive seen some sources say this but internationally the thickness is quoted at what I stated. I think it also depends on if they are including the raised digits and name. No matter though, the credit card is a good guide in general as most people have one. As I said in the video grain will vary from region to region, so use the credit card as a good starting point and adjust :)

@davidalmond6019

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidHeathHomebrew I once asked a commercial brewer his gap width and he said. Summer or Winter as he said his rollers expanded in the summer so needed to be wider. He never told be the gap. lol

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

The gap size used in commercial brewing is usually for a very fine crush. Most breweries I have worked for have had it precrushed thankfully, otherwise it makes for a really shitty job for someone.

Did anyone see the ant slowly sinking in the grain as it was being crushed at 5:43

@DavidHeathHomebrew

2 жыл бұрын

Its a grain bug :)

The grain dust is also not good for your fermentation area; mill the grain outside and away from the area where fermentation takes place

@DavidHeathHomebrew

Жыл бұрын

For sure. More to the point its not good for your nose or lungs.

If anyone likes the grain containers seen at 4:00, this is what I use to store my base malts in. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002H3S5U/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

@DavidHeathHomebrew

8 ай бұрын

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Who else seen the bugs last second?!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone :)

You have weevils.

@mrkesu

5 жыл бұрын

I did not notice them at all during the milling until I saw your comment, but now they are all that I can see, trying to escape the rollers 😂 What actually happens if you have them (apart from added protein I mean) - Will they contaminate the beer or does the boil take care of it?

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

I was very close to adding a speech bubble to the one trying to escape on the right! That is one of the things you get by milling outside...the chance of extra protein!

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

No problem at all. Firstly we are pasteurising and then we are boiling. Plenty of them in homebrew and commercial beer across the world.

@autopilot80

5 жыл бұрын

You wont spontaneously get weevils from milling outside, they usually come from the maltster in the form of eggs, when the grain isn't stored properly and with the right conditions ie warmth with high humidity and good ventilation they breed rapidly. I don't think it matters so much on the small scale but in our brew house a bad infestation like the one you appear to have results in slack malt and we get drops in mash efficiency. Weevils drown in the mash I've never seen one make it into the grant, no noticeable difference or quality to the beer.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

This was some older grain that I used just for the purpose of the video. Yes I noticed a couple of them myself, I was not sure where they came from!

you have bugs in your malt

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was very old malt that I used just for filming.

You are milling grains infested with insects, David. 3:27 and 5:41 they actually get milled into your grist. That's disgusting.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

Do not worry James this grain was not used for a brew, just for the purpose of filming the video!

@melvin038

4 жыл бұрын

Extra proteins. To get that extra haze in your NEIPA's.

@DavidHeathHomebrew

4 жыл бұрын

For sure :)

i don't get it,plus your voice is putting me to sleep :]

@DavidHeathHomebrew

5 жыл бұрын

Lol. What do you not get Richard?