Am I the only one, who kinda digged the look of the Kelvin? I mean it's unique.

@zeekthecumlord

2 жыл бұрын

No, i simp the kelvin

@raspberryjam8563

2 жыл бұрын

FBI simps the Kelvin

@zeekthecumlord

2 жыл бұрын

@@raspberryjam8563 yes i do

@DAKOTA56777

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, the _Kelvin_ is honestly the only good looking single nacelle ship in Trek in my opinion, and it's probably my favourite of the JJ verse. Edit: Though I will specify that's mainly the overall exterior look, the interior design I less so desire over Trek's normal, clean, styling.

@DustinDriver

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's pretty cool.

This episode needed more lens flare. This was less than 6 minutes long, there should have been at least 157 lens flares.

@Evil0tto

5 жыл бұрын

Starfleet was experimenting with lens flare generators at the time. It was thought that they could blind enemy vessels. However, they were considered failures and eventually scrapped.

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

Salen Stormwing: Don't be mean. 721 lens flares ÷ a 128 minute runtime is 5.63 LF/m. At its runtime of 5:44, that means it only requires 32 LF.

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

S C : Anything to bash Prime Star Trek, huh? Considering that TMP is almost a 40 year old movie, and relied on special effects from that error, you can hardly compare the two. Abrams didn't have to be that lazy. He simply chose to.

@keithklitses6433

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, I think it needed more cowbells

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

Keith Klitses That, too.

From now on, I expect every ship review to end with, "...but at least it isn't the Scimitar."

@DrendarMorevo

5 жыл бұрын

What about ranting about how the Oberth-class is made of Explodium?

@thexsoar

5 жыл бұрын

The Oberth was a mockumentary episode, the Scimitar brought for so much bile and spite that it almost wasn't posted.

@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870

5 жыл бұрын

@@DrendarMorevo It's made of Victorium canonically... yes I wrote it right, Victorium.

@DrendarMorevo

5 жыл бұрын

@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 victurium, for the internal bulkeads.

@DrendarMorevo

5 жыл бұрын

@@thexsoar but I actually liked the Scimitar episode.

Due to issues with replicator technology not being perfected back then, it carried a full brewery in main engineering in order to supply a military ship with enough fresh beer for a five year mission.

@katakisLives

5 жыл бұрын

they should have a distillery as naval types have traditionally drunk rum!

@Rob07601

5 жыл бұрын

@@katakisLives Maybe it's a German design?

@rjallenbach1

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers to that 🍻

@artembentsionov

5 жыл бұрын

LeefromCalgary more like boiling due to decreased atmospheric pressure

@drmayeda1930

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think the synthesizers were programmed to make alcoholic beverages they were dry ships. In the novels, engineering did have a still making alcohol but a batch was contaminated resulting in people on the ship being plastered on duty from small amounts of alcohol. One crewmember used an empty area to make bootleg chocolate. The synthesized version wasn't good enough. Kirk'a soul had been sort of separated from his body and was the ghost of the enterprise.

I really would have loved it if they had shown a Kelvin that is really close in design to the TOS Enterprise until the Science Officer announces a space anomaly... the Captain orders "On Screen" and suddenly as the anomaly is shown to expel the Narada the TOS-Kelvin changes into the Kelvin-type. Essentially copying opening from "Yesterday's Enterprise". People who know Star Trek immediately know what's up... and newcomers or casual viewers might be confused at the beginning but later when Spock explains that the timeline has been altered they'll understand that's what happened at the beginning.

@thefurrybastard1964

5 жыл бұрын

Good idea. But personally I think the Kelvin Universe was always a distinct and separate reality from the Prime Universe.

@giin97

5 жыл бұрын

@Mobley House Video the temporal department book series has an interesting fix for that; basically, it's a function of entropy. Slightly altered timelines have less energy and collapse into stronger timelines with more. That's why you can see them shifting as a viewer, and certain more sensitive characters are aware of the changes, see Guinan, Yesterday's Enterprise. As a result, small fluctuations from temporal events have next to no effect, as all timelines merge into whatever is the most common version of that instance, while major changes will spit off alternate timelines that solidify and persist.

@DrewLSsix

5 жыл бұрын

@Mobley House Video I have argued that theres no reason to believe any two episodes of the shows take place 8n the same exact timeline. With all the continuity issues of the franchise it offers a decent all encompassing rationale for those changes and o0ens up story possibilities down the line. So imagine after watching one episode of TNG that the next one is actually taking place in a different if practically identical timeline, even if there's nothing particular that contradicts anything from the previous episode. This handily covers those tiny nitpicky details like historical dates misquoted specs etc.

@CaptainM792

5 жыл бұрын

It has different technology because it is in an era before the TOS Enterprise.

@nolanmartin4813

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine an ILM shot of that... Man that woulda been sa-weet

The Kelvin is a friggin beast of a ship. The fact that it could survive as long as it did against the Narada is simply astounding when you remember this is the Borg enhanced monster that would be one shotting entire ships 20+ years later.

@TentaclePentacle

5 жыл бұрын

it's not borg enhanced, it's not on screen, its not canon.

@LostMercenary99

5 жыл бұрын

It may be Beta Canon but its still a reasonable point. I mean I never belived for a second before reading countdown that the Narada was just a simple mining vessel. I mean christ just look at it. That thing is stupid huge and scary as hell O.o

@avatar11792

5 жыл бұрын

I never got the impression the Narada was entirely functional, after all it had just through a "lightning storm in space", its reasonable that the ship might have had only partial weapons systems activated. Maybe that's why the Kelvin had half the screen time it did.

I like the idea and general layout of the Kelvin. But feel JJ trying to turn Star Trek into Star Wars and cranking the scales to extremes for no practical reason. And many more issues. Was all detrimental. The one thing I would defend are actually the turrets. The NX-01 used a pop out turret arrangement with its phase cannons. Kirk's Enterprise they were balls set to the hull surface. These looked like a midway point between the two designs.

@ManOnFire071781

5 жыл бұрын

So you're saying Kirk's Enterprise was flying balls out?

@drmayeda1930

5 жыл бұрын

No, I think more the phasers are like at at guns on naval vessels. There are references to phaser gun crews manning phasers but they don't show a barrel protruding from a part of the ship. They don't even mention a barrel being seen when a hacer was attacked at very close range by an attack sled. The enterprise rather convienently has over a dozen one or 2 man sleds in the shuttlebay ready to be stolen.

Whats kinda weird is that in nearly every episode of star trek, crew on the bridge gets thrown around when the ship gets hit by weapon fire, and yet they none of the chairs has safety belts.

After messing with the Kelvin timeline in STO, I've come to the conclusion that Spock/Nero didn't just hop back in time, but across alternate realities. Sure, yeah, the modern understanding of how time travel would work states that traveling back in time would create an alternate reality, but in Trek canon 90% of the time time travel is treated as purely linear. The only time I can think of that that wasn't the case was the episode of TNG where Worf accidentally created a bunch of quantum realities, and there were thousands of Enterprises hanging around. Otherwise, it's always been linear cause and effect. So, it makes more sense that Spock/Nero ended up jumping to a completely different reality, where things were already different.

@Gunnar001

5 жыл бұрын

That's the only explanation that makes sense, as nothing from JJ's films fits at all in the prime timeline. Nero and Spock jumped into the past of an alternate reality.

@thomasbarnett2425

5 жыл бұрын

but Worf never time traveled in that episode, he went through some quantum rip in reality that pulled him out of his quantum relm and made him start jumping from one reality to the next

@thebighurt2495

5 жыл бұрын

Well, we know the Mirror Universe is definitely A Thing, so "alternate realities" isn't TOO much of a stretch, I think.

@samiamrg7

5 жыл бұрын

samiamrg7 You know, I just realized something. If Spock and Nero really did end up fucking with the Prime Timeline so much, wouldn’t Temporal Agents be on their ass trying to fix things? Like, maybe, attempting to prevent the Narada and Jellyfish from being sucked into the black hole by destroying them just beforehand?

@ScientistCat

4 жыл бұрын

Usually yes, but it's still recognized that things can travel backwards, that a timeline can be changed or branch out, etc. There's for example the Mirror universe, but Voyager in particular did this on a few occasions too. Like the time they picked up a warbled distress call, found a quantum singularity at its origin, received the same message that turned out to be their own attempt to hail the original call's sender. So basically, they picked up their own transmission, which also was their reply to said transmission. Or the episode where they were flung back to 20th century Earth, due to some timeship attacking them to supposedly prevent something. Or the one where a bigger timeship's crew ended up arresting 3 versions from different times of the same guy, one of which was captain of the ship itself, after one of those versions tried to sabotage Voyager; he was stopped by Seven of Nine who was also sent back in time by that same ship's crew to identify the sabotager in the first place.

Baseless theory here, but I always thought the Kelvin was never meant to be a standard ship in Starfleet, but rather a stepping stone, or testbed, for various experimental technologies and designs that we never saw but would've been incorporated into what would eventually be the Constitution. That was my reasoning for why in this time line the Enterprise looked so radically different.

@andymac4883

5 жыл бұрын

That's how I always imagined it, especially before I found out that what I'd assumed were pulse-phaser batteries were rapid-fire torpedo launchers. Since the Kelvin-timeline Starfleet uses ships with odd numbers of nacelles, windowed viewscreen/viewports and pulse phasers, it seemed to me that the Kelvin, with (what I'd thought were) pulse phasers, a single nacelle and a bridge window, had a lot of influence on future starships. Maybe in the Prime timeline, the Kelvin had an unremarkable career that meant most of its experimental technologies were shelved, and only brought back later. Pulse phasers for the Defiant and three nacelles for the alternate future Enterprise-D and that sort of thing.

@Xo-3130

5 жыл бұрын

@@andymac4883 From what is implied and said via differing sources the Kelvin Timeline Enterprise is supposedly made with technology that was scanned from engagements with the mining ship (Which might be enhanced with Borg technology) andvis the size it is due to Starfleet putting a higher emphasis on combat after said engagements.

Simple solution. Just because the Nerada was the first SHIP to emerge from the singularity dosent mean it was the first THING to emerge. Maybe something else came through first. Energy... other pieces of tech... anything could have caused another divergence sooner than the Nerada.

@chrissonofpear3657

5 жыл бұрын

Simon Pegg suggested a ripple effect altered time backward and forward as a result.

@wxwxsrg

5 жыл бұрын

@@chrissonofpear3657 meh...not sold on that explanation. Can't have the effect precede the cause. It would make more sense if something else was sent further back in time than the Nerada causing a divergence further back in time masking it appear as if it had a ripple effects going in both directions.

@chrissonofpear3657

5 жыл бұрын

Eh, Kirk did so much time travelling in his time, his life being altered could have done something.

@22steve5150

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, just like how Narada came through 25 years before Spock even though they were sucked in at almost the same time, other things could have come through 25 or 50 or 200 years before Narada, causing just enough tiny past changes to radically alter the timeline decades or centuries down the line.

@22steve5150

5 жыл бұрын

WX SRG, it is Trek though, they've already done episodes of TNG (all good things) where events cause changes in time moving forwards and backwards, so even though I tend to side with the "something came through well before Narada" explanation, the dual direction ripple in time explanation could work as well, especially considering unstable nature of red matter.

My personal theory that the Kelvin timeline was ALREADY an alternate timeline when the Nerada arrived, one that diverged from Prime sometime before or during the Romulan War (hence why Singh recognised Nero as Romulan). Starfleet already knew what Romulans looked like in this timeline.

Finally the Kelvin has finally showed itself on this channel!

@AmaranthOriginal

5 жыл бұрын

Which can only mean the Prime timeline for Lore Reloaded has come to an end. At least until Lore Reloaded Discovery, where it will technically be alive but largely ignored.

The Kelvin is my favorite ship of the JJ-verse. The scenes of the ship's internals are very inconsistent, but I enjoyed seeing it in action and I like her lines.

When I first saw this ship on the screen, I remember thinking "Wow! I haven't seen that kind of ship style in a really long time!" Most of the following information is supposedly "non-cannon," but enough supporting source material exists to arrive at the following cannon-esque conclusions. So how did the U.S.S. Kelvin (NCC-514) design come about? First, let's look at the Saladin-class light frigate/destroyer (U.S.S. Saladin, NCC-500), and the Akula-class frigate/war destroyer (U.S.S. Akula, NCC-278-A) starships. Both of these ships were commissioned and saw active service prior to the "Kelvin-class." It is very apparent that all three ships share extremely similar, and in certain respects identical, ship designs aspects. (FYI: the salt shaker that Kirk stares at in the post bar fight scene in the original Kelvin Timeline ST movie, is obviously a type of Saladin-class starship model) The U.S.S. Kelvin, when compared to Saladin and Akula classes, with the inclusion of a miniaturized Constitution-class-like hull (U.S.S. Constitution, NCC-1700, was launched 30 years prior to the launch of the U.S.S. Akula) attached to the top of the disk (notice the deflector dish/main sensor array attached to the fore and the shuttle bay entrance located in the aft) appears to be a UFP attempt to field a heavy frigate type of warship. At the time, frigates did not have hulls per say. Only light cruisers (e.g. Constitution-class) or above did. The Kelvin class appears to try to "bridge the gap" between the two starship categories. And yes, for all these design similarities and tie-ins to the ships of the prime universe, the Kelvin is a Prime starship, imo. My three main sources for the above are: 1) The Memory-Beta Wiki 2) The Starfleet Technical Manual (orig. publ. 1975, reprinted every 10 years until 2006) 3) The 1999 PC game Starfleet Command

@davidjames1068

5 жыл бұрын

I think that the PC game is considered non cannon by many. Also as far as i know Frigates were only ever discussed in the FASA board game.

@williamsherman9514

5 жыл бұрын

"Per se", not "per say". What kind of Latin do you think "per say" would be?

@williamsherman9514

5 жыл бұрын

Also, "canon" is not "cannon".

Always interpreted the Kelvin type as a variant of the Saladin Class. Has the right NCC number for it anyway.

Kirk's father was never a starfleet officer, he was a farmer from Iowa. That one thing kills the Kelvin timeline from just changing in one direction.

@DeepEye1994

2 жыл бұрын

All Spock Prime said to Kirk was that his father inspired him to join Starfeet (can't see how him being a farmer should make that unbelievable, I can easily see Prime!George Kirk being an encouraging Pa Kent type) and lived to see Kirk become the captain of the Enterprise, he never said anything about Prime!George being an officer.

@tasatort9778

2 жыл бұрын

@@DeepEye1994 you have to go to the original series where Kirk states that he was an Iowa farm boy until he ran off to join starfleet.

@scibus2593

Жыл бұрын

He was in starfleet, he just also worked on a farm in Iowa for a time before moving to the Tarsus IV colony

I Loved this ship from the moment I laid eyes on her, and couldn't wait to get my hands on scale model! But that's why we love Star Trek and that's why there so beautiful! It's interesting that this design is one of Matt Jeffries early concepts for the original Enterprise. Thanks for doing a video on it I learned a lot.

It was the first sign that, whatever else this movie was, it was thoroughly breaking with Star Trek lore. It only had one nacelle and emitted plasma like some sort of friggin rocket instead of a warp field generator. It was a sign that this movie was a ground-up re-boot. It was not trying to be Star Trek; it was trying to be it's own thing.

@dropdead234

5 жыл бұрын

This is what Jar Jar does. He doesn't CREATE anything of his own, he craps on others' works. What he started in Star Trek ,he finished in Star Wars.

@sarkhan_guy

5 жыл бұрын

There were other ships with only one nacelle before. The Saladin Class comes to mind.

I love the Kelvin class and it is completely practical. The shuttle bay is the most practical i have seen.

Loved the shakey cam........................But could defiantly use a little more lens flare

Great vid. Spot on with all points

I love your channel dude!

The main problem with a single ventral warp nacelle is that while most Federation starships may not be specifically designed for landing on planets, they would still need to be designed in such a way as to facilitate an emergency crash-landing while attempting to minimize any damage to the ship, if possible. The single ventral nacelle would actually be a huge danger in such a situation. Twin ventral nacelles would still be a danger as well, but at least they provide a bit more stable landing surface in the event of a potential crash.

JJ was given a large budget to essentially make fan fiction. Just ignoring the fact that the Constitutions were the largest vessels in Starfleet during their era, and held a crew of approx. 200 under Pikes command (The Cage and The Menagerie) to 400 under Kirk (ST: The Original Series) and yet this older vessel (pre-dating the USS Constitution NCC-1700) holds approximately the same crew compliment as an Ambassador class which was still a century away. So this means the vessel would have to be some kind of oversized transport, not a Federation ship of the line.

@AricWilisch

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. This ship realistically should have a top crew of 70 or 80, maybe 100 on the top side.

@tomaskops7119

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe old tech need more crew, but not so much i think

@AricWilisch

5 жыл бұрын

Also during the evacuation, I might have missed it, but I don't recall seeing any escape pods. So the entire crew evacuated on the shuttles they had. I doubt they had enough shuttles to evacuate 800 people.

@richardched6085

5 жыл бұрын

Crew Size generally decreases as more Advanced Technology is introduced. However if it's a next gen design with theoretical Technology the Crew size increases again until that design is streamlined.

@Locutus

5 жыл бұрын

When he said 800, I was thinking WTF? Why that many? Like you, I was thinking of around 100.

My head canon is that a new timeline started with First Contact. Everything from that point on is a different universe from the Prime Timeline. The Borg's arrival and destruction does not radically alter the timeline in the short run but with the discovery of the Borg tech in Enterprise, technological advancement snowballs in the decades that follow. When the Nerada arrives, it fractures this timeline in half, creating the Kelvin (where the Nerada appears) and the Discovery timeline (where the Nerada does not appear). This helps explain the similar visual cues that Discovery and the Kelvin timelines share, as well as why the ships in Discovery and the Kelvin timeline are so much bigger than their Prime Timeline counterparts.

Because the Star Trek timeline is non-linear (with Starfleet crew involved in actions in the 20th century and earlier, any changes to the timeline at a point prior to some of the event going back in time is going to change things in the past as well. The changes in the Abrams-verse make TNG for instance happening as originally occurred impossible. Therefore many things could have changed such as the ‘Cholera’ outbreak caused by the Devidians could have gone unchallenged, the computer era of Chronowerx Industries might never happen, and First Contact undoubtedly went differently than it originally did. Therefore the Abramsverse may contain some common events with the Prime timeline, but it is entirely separate and distinct at least from the point of the earliest incursion into the past.

@thebighurt2495

5 жыл бұрын

You know, that's a fair point. The Narada event didn't happen in a vacuum. It affected everything AFTER it, which would've included all the Temporal Bull-Crappery of TNG, DS9 & VOY. Wait a minute... OMG even the friggin Temporal Cold War never happened! So even stuff as far back as ENT could've been changed or even undone. Ugh, Time Travel is a headache.

Very ineffecient Viper launch tube.... LOL Man I love your humour!

I never thought that this was a new design of ship because there are other single warp nacelle designs. Thank you for sharing.

I think it was cool as hell that it showed Kirk's father as a hero. I think the script was frigging awesome. FINALLY a decent Star Trek movie in 2009.

Yeah, I always wondered how they balance a warp field with a single warp nacelle. Gene Roddenberry told all his designers that all Star Trek ships would have two engines. As soon as he started losing control, the hacks started screwing things up.

I love the shaky cam, really ramped up the tension at the end of presentation.

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

Right!?!

@dropdead234

5 жыл бұрын

NEED MOAR LENS FLARE/s.

Lore I believe that the Kelvin is a different version of the Akula class starship check memory alpha see the similar configuration since the constitution class was change because of the Garada moving back in time is possible that the akula class was changed has well

Great video as always Lore! To be frank, I haven't historically been a fan of the Kelvin-timeline movies for much the same reasons you give for not being a huge fan of Discovery (though we'll agree to disagree on that one haha), but you've actually made me think about something - the Kelvin was the PERFECT ship to use at the beginning of Trek '09 at the moment the Narada emerged. Think about it; it's pretty much a perfect blend of pre and post-timeline change Starfleet design elements, and it's quite believable that this one encounter changed Starfleet's design direction going forward. In the Prime timeline, the view window becomes a design niche, relegated to old ships like the Shenzhou and experimental vessels like the Crossfield-class (which could have been outfitted that way for scientific research purposes) with the rest of Starfleet embracing more advanced viewscreen tech (or having a hybrid with closing viewport doors as some speculate the 1701 had). In the Kelvin timeline on the other hand, due to how profoundly the USS Kelvin went down in Starfleet history, more of its design flourishes became standard and led to drastically different cosmetics for Starfleet vessels in that alternate history. What I'm trying to say is, you've made see the Kelvin in a new light and I actually think that it's become one of my new favourite Starfleet vessels because of it. If we ever see a refitted one in Disco, I'll be a happy man. :)

I’m probably in the minority here, but I do not accept ANYTHING in the JJ movies as prime timeline. In Prime Trek, Romulus is still around and there is no Franklin.

@chimaican01

5 жыл бұрын

Ding ding ding.... you win! Anything JJ will never be accepted by true Trek fans.

@yanickmonet5200

5 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, in the episode All Good Things, it's specified that the Romulan Star Empire no longer exist.... Okay the events were part of Q's tests, but most episodes show, or hint at the eventual downfall of Romulus ! Then there's STO that did one Hell of an excellent job trying to continue the storyline !

@TheSignOfZeta

5 жыл бұрын

The JJ movies & prime timeline are separate, so we don't have to worry about that.

@germantrekkie

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Vagus32000

5 жыл бұрын

Yanick Monet Sadly I have never played STO and probably never will unless it comes out on mobile. That or we get a new laptop.

Q: I was bored. I snapped my fingers, then THIS.

When I played the FASA Star Trek game, my (as a player, my character's) first ship was a small one almost identical to the Kelvin. The bridge was far more basic, but externally it looked like it. It's basically (in function) somewhere between Oberth and Miranda.

YES! Thank you for mentioning the Kelvin Timeline had been altered in both future and past by the Narada! It's arrival creates not a divergent timeline, but a new alternate timeline! With an altered present by the Narada, with new technology, this means a whole new batch of time travelers and other time altering aspects taking place. It means a lot of Timey Wimey stuff happened, resulting in an altered past for this new timeline. This is why the technology of the USS Kelvin is so vastly different from the Prime Timeline at this point.

Considering that the prime timeline has no reference of the nerada, one can only assume that the Kelvin timeline fractured some time before then (probably well before THE Kelvin was built). The arrival of the nerada would only add more "branches" to this "limb" but it split from the "trunk" quite sometime In the past

@krblanco

5 жыл бұрын

There's an entire TNG episode about how every decision possible is made resulting in every result possible in separate and unique universes. How people miss this and branch the Trek universe off at the arrival of the Narrada is beyond me...

@thefurrybastard1964

5 жыл бұрын

There is also the possibility that the Kelvin Universe is a separate and distinct reality much as the Mirror Universe is, and not a divergent reality.

@krblanco

5 жыл бұрын

That's very true... I mean we do have the mirror Trek universe, and who says there aren't multiple mirror universes and why would they all have to be evil Trek universes? I'm sure there are some very nice ones there in addition to ours...

Great video! I really like how you clearly explain the major differences in the bridges of all the Federation starships.....really gets across their uniqueness.... Seriously, good video. I think the timeline started diverging in ENTERPRISE, thanks to the Temporal Cold War and the increased threats the Federation encountered. The Narada was the final straw to kick the big-ship production into high gear. After all, why make first contact in a cruiser when you can use a Star Destroyer?

When I saw the Kelvin with the blue deflector dish seemingly on the top I assumed that they were showing the ship upside down for dramatic effect and this part of the ship was situated at the bottom of the ship.

Flashpoint also did the "alter the time line in both directions" concept. If JJ just kept the TOS asthetic and made the Kelvin the way it SHOULD HAVE LOOKED, then it would be fine.

@ibarra-_-571

5 жыл бұрын

Even if he wanted, he wouldnt have been able to, the Kelvin timeline is restricted by some shitty copyright laws or something due to the viacom split, and if I remember correctly, this thing is so fucked up that it states that the Kelvin timeline could not resemble the the canon trek, therefore JJ didnt have legal permission to make legit trek. I know this isnt entirely to blame for the countless flaws on the kelvin timeline, but I bet it played a huge part on them

It reminds me of the non cannon ship Apollo Class, and I love that ship. ^^ I was super excited to see it in a cannon sorce. ^^

I thought this ship looked ugly as sin. At least the NX class LOOKED like real sterfleet ship and that was 100 years before this. Hell even the Kelvin Timeline NX looked better. But since the JJ Ver- Kelvin Timeline isn't canon I'm relieved to know it never showed up in the Prime timeline.

The window never bothered me much either. A lot of folk say " Ahhh but its a weakness" - but there are windows all over the ship... what difference does it make if it's the bridge? As Nemesis showed doesn't matter even if it's a bulkhead you can still get blown into space

God...the cross video burns....really cool Easter eggs for people who watch alot of your videos.

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

I try

One other thing that could argue in favor of the Narada impacting the past as well as the future is the fact that the Kelvin, unlike any other Prime timeline vessel (including the Next Gen-era ships), had a point-defense system, to intercept incoming fire.

That window on the bridge, which the JJTrek Enterprise still used, is why Kirk couldnt take on Kahn in a mutara class nebula in like he did in TWOK. Because they wouldnt need sensors, they could just look out a window and see where Reliant was. Of course, if they'd thought about it in TWOK they could have had crew in any room with windows keeping an eye out for the Reliant and report sightings from X room and triangulate from multiple rooms.

Love that in other vids about the tech of Star Fleet that is is impossible for a single Nacelle ship to generate a warp field. The warp field requires a bridging interaction between two nacelles placed a distance apart in order to form. Also, due to the fields going between them you cannot have living crew members in the way or you essential fry them. Hence the reason the nacelles are placed out on pylons away from the main part of the ship. Three Nacelles in a triangular arrangement gave you three times the field interaction bridges and a much more stable warp field. The Kelvin by those engineering standards could not go to warp. Unless that module underneath held some sort of quasi-engine in it. And if so, it would have been better just to put a second engine on it. But I also recall more than a few episodes where star ships limp along at low warp on one nacelle after the other is heavily damaged. So... nobody pays attention to detail when writing stories. That goes back to... how long have humans had language?

Here's the one thing I don't get in the whole "What's Prime and what's Kelvin?" debate, HOW IN THE HELL IS DISCOVERY PRIME?!? HOW?!?!?!?

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

agreed

@katakisLives

5 жыл бұрын

it is truer to the prime universe but the only true depictions of the TOS era prime timeline in recent times were the DS9 episode on the enterprise and the USS Defiant going into the mirror universe on Enterprise

@Xo-3130

5 жыл бұрын

Temporal wars...

This was my favourite ship and still is

anyone notice that when the captain leaves the Kelvin in the shuttle (in the film) he travels 'down' in a turbo lift to the shuttle bay .. and flys out.. but the engineering hull is 'above' the saucer section!

@lorereloaded Didn't engineering look like that because to save $$ on sets the jj-verse filmed engineering scenes in the Budweiser or Busch brewery?

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

Sure.. we are talking in universe reasoning though

@prion42

5 жыл бұрын

But JJ did that because he thought it was cool. If he really wanted to save money he would not have filmed the engine room for a guest ship.

@LostInTheFarmersMarket

5 жыл бұрын

If he thought it looked cool he was wrong, he didn't even pick a brewery that makes good beer.

@LostInTheFarmersMarket

5 жыл бұрын

True enough, I'm not sure there is an in-universe explanation other than it looks different. It doesn't match enterprise, and it doesn't match what came after....

@grandsome1

5 жыл бұрын

Until then we never saw how Starfleet managed the plumbing of their starship. Engineering is not just the warp core section.

Can you take look at the Arbiter class battlecruiser?

Hmmm , given size and crew , I hazed a guess that the Kelvin type is a specialize Light cruiser scout / Explorer ( SPY ). with the thingy on top a advanced sensor array

The Kelvin is stated to be an Avery Class starship on the dedication plate, apparently. In the movie it was stated that it was on it's final voyage before decommissioning / rebuilding. In the prime timeline it was decommissioned, rebuilt into a Saladin Class destroyer and renamed NCC 514 USS Rahmen.

If the Saladin, Hermes, and Freedom class could come into existence later down the line, the existence of the Kelvin makes way more sense. Also, there is evidence it might be exactly a window, because during that scene the captain says to “polarize the view screen”, meaning that the display works a bit similarly to how polarizing hull plating was done with early federation ships. So it might be a hybrid window. A wall that modify itself depending on the environment.

I do like the design of this vessel only thing is i would get rid of the "0" for the registry number seems a bit silly

@danielyeshe

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely a leading zero has never been a thing.

@MKDumas1981

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sure it was a Hail Mary play. They probably had a four-digit number, e.g. NCC-1514, but, they probably thought it was too high for it being 2233, so, instead of redoing the numbers, they just put a zero.

@danielyeshe

5 жыл бұрын

@@MKDumas1981 Actully it was the date of birth of Jj's father.

@tufferstv

5 жыл бұрын

NX-01?

@danielyeshe

5 жыл бұрын

@@tufferstv Good point but that I would argue is different as it was the first proper starship.

All right here we go a new video

One issue with the Kelvin's deflector and shuttle hangar being ABOVE the saucer is it messes up the deck number scheme. Usually the bridge is the highest point on the ship so deck 1 makes snese, but in this ship everything in that upper utility pod is ABOVE the bridge, what are the deck numbers up there? Are they using negative numbers?

In my head canon; the USS Kelvin is the result of all the temporal interference that occurred in Enterprise. Personally I see both it and the NX Enterprise as being from an alternate reality to the prime universe -- the Narada just made things worse from there.

@CaptainM792

5 жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree that the NX Enterprise is from an alternate reality, it is from the prime timeline.

@baronsengir187

5 жыл бұрын

The NX was awesome. They tried so damn hard to make it look Oldschool yet modern. The effort that went into that designs interior and exterior is completly missing in all of JJ Trek.

@KlingonCaptain

5 жыл бұрын

Personally I believe it's an NX-01 timeline ship. The NX-01 timeline was created by the events of "First Contact." A more fearful and militant Zefram Cochrane influenced early Starfleet in a more military direction which was further compounded by the discovery of the Borg sphere in Antarctica. It was in fact NX-01 Spock, and NOT Prime Spock, that went back and further altered the already altered timeline thus creating the Kelvin timeline. The Kelvin timeline is the final result many compounded changes to the timeline.

It's obviously an early design, look at the reg number, also they probably built a lot of those sorts of cheap ships to bulk out the fleet and get more people out there exploring. So a single warp nacelle and main engineering/ deflector nacelle makes sense.

Interesting question about the timelines. The Narada traveled back in time from 2387 to 2233, and caused a split in the timeline by destroying the USS Kelvin (NCC-0514) (There is a dedication plaque that is not legible on screen, but is in the Star Trek Encyclopedia as having been launched 5 January 2225, (2225.5) so it was only 8 years old when the timelines were split.) It was definitely in the Prime Timeline, and her destruction is what caused the timeline split, which makes that event a "Pivotal Point in time." Certain things will ALWAYS happen in time, (Example, in both timelines, James T. Kirk takes command of the USS Enterprise in 2266.) Had the Kelvin not been in the exact position at the exact time that the Nerada came back, then she would not have been destroyed, James Kirk would have grown up as he did in the "Prime" line. If the arrival of the Nerada had attacked something else (another ship, or a space station, etc.) the a timeline split may have occurred, but the "new" timeline would have been very different from the one portrayed by the "Reboot" films, or, if she reached Romulus, that would have been a wild card. Someone with future knowledge and advanced technology could have altered the political calculus in a myriad of ways. Knowing when Romulus would be destroyed, he would have given the Romulan Government a 157 year notice. When Hobus went supernova, Romulus would have been deserted, and the population and culture would have survived, even if the planet didn't. Then again, knowing the Romulans, they probably would have taken the advanced tech and the database from the Nerada and leaped themselves a century and a half in just a few years, and conquered the entire quadrant. Temporal mechanics give me a headache As for the look of the Kelvin, in the Prime line (and the Kelvin line, apparently) her looks would make sense. Since she was 15 years older than USS Enterprise (NCC-1701), and it is consistent of the ongoing development of Starfleet vessels form the NX-01 to the NCC-1701. Terminology changes with time. Whether you call it a window, or a HUD, or a viewscreen, it's still the same thing. As the technology develops, the "slang" for what is also develops and changes. I see no inconsistency.

@CaptainM792

5 жыл бұрын

Bob Simoneau I agree

@andymac4883

5 жыл бұрын

I've not seen the "Narada incursion changed the timeline in both directions" argument before now, but I have noted a lot of people hypothesising that the Enterprise-E going back in time in First Contact created an alternate reality that ST:E and the start of ST2009 are a part of. Partially to address inconsistencies and apparent tech disparity, but also I think to keep what some consider inferior Trek away from anything pre-Voyager.

@KlingonCaptain

5 жыл бұрын

Personally I believe it's an NX-01 timeline ship. The NX-01 timeline was created by the events of "First Contact." A more fearful and militant Zefram Cochrane influenced early Starfleet in a more military direction which was further compounded by the discovery of the Borg sphere in Antarctica. It was in fact NX-01 Spock, and NOT Prime Spock, that went back and further altered the already altered timeline thus creating the Kelvin timeline. The Kelvin timeline is the final result many compounded changes to the timeline.

4:10 It's quite likely that the "exposed" tube's end was separated by a forcefield of sorts. Maybe one that kept air in, but shuttlecraft could go through by polarizing their hull or something.

Man i really loved the design of the Kelvin.

They simply took the Saladin class ship and added a secondary hull shaped like a nacelle. The Saladin class ship the saucer with one nacelle underneath has been around since the late 70s as a destroy in Starfleet battles. That's my impression of it. I don't think you could get away with that design in live action because the models and pictures of it never showed where the shuttlebays were and probably didn't have room for them

For anyone that played Starfleet Battles in the 80s, this ship reminds of the Federation DD. Very similar design and was from the same time period as the Constitution class cruiser.

Never understood the Kelvin anyway, it only had one nacelle, Roddenberry stated that ships needed TWO nacelles to make a warp field and this has been canon since Star Trek first aired.

I kinda of thought of the Kelvin as a huge Miranda. Jumbo sized saucer with the deflector dish pod as sort of large utilities pod. As for the warp drive pod, I think it could be a precursor to the Oberth style of design.

It took me several views of the scene to realize that those turrets weren't firing phaser bolts like those on the JJprise but ENT style phase cannons...

Because of the one wrap nacelle, and what looks to be an Engineering Hall above the saucer Hull, but most likely make this a scout vessel or science vessel, like the Obeth class later on.

Most ships have the warp thrusters separated from the rest of the ship to minimize the damage from a system failure and many ships have the engineering section also separate for the same reason. The Kelvin is unique that it has a separate thruster and engineering section, but is designed all the dangerous warp stuff still has to go through the saucer section where most of the crew is. They probably build only one, realized what a huge mistake they made but still put the Kelvin in duty so they do not have to admit their mistake.

Lore, question for you. I know you're no fan of STD, neither am I, but I do like the federation ship designs so do you have a 'favorite' of those ships? Mine would have to either be the Kerala or the Europa

Love the Kelvin design

The way you described the shuttle bay is what a shuttle bay is so it is a one.

How is the bridge on deck 1 when there are decks above and below it?

This is my theory about the Kelvin Timeline (and others may share it): the Narada was not only sent back on time, but also a parallel universe. This would explain the windows on the Kelvin as well as the USS Franklin (NX-326?) being Starfleet's first Warp 4 vessel.

This seems more like a mobile starbase than a ship. Going by the shuttle bay setup and the sheer amount of people on board I can see it as a followup exploration ship. Basically, a ship that follows after a mapping ship to get more detailed information of things discovered during the mapping of the area. You would need a lot of people with all different expertise and backgrounds for various duties. Its weapons systems are not tactical as they would be making a better show of themselves in a convenience of use way. They're almost a tacked on afterthought.

@thebighurt2495

5 жыл бұрын

You mean like... exactly what an Oberth is for? Or later on, a Nova.

So, I'm a believer in twin nacelle design. My head cannon is that even in ships with a single nacelle, there's a smaller repeater nacelle opposite of it somewhere in the hull. Like having a sidecar on a motorbike instead of an ATV/Quad. A single nacelle might be able to generate a warp field, but id like to imagine that stability at warp, and the ability to turn would be severely limited. Like a motorcycle can go fast fine but if it turns too quickly or else encounters an obstacle, boom.

It could have been an experimental rebuild of older ship... it was not good enough to copy it but it was good enough to keep this one ship operational. There could have been dozens of unique ships that were failed experiments and never made it to be a "mass produced" class of ships like Constitution class or Galaxy class but they were good enough to keep them around for some tasks until they stop being worthy of updates and eventually even repairs.

To me, the Kelvin always looked like Star Fleet took a surplus TOS destroyer, and refitted it for exploration by adding an upper module. Likely the module was for extra hold space for provisions and additional shuttles that may be required for exploring worlds and/or stellar phenomenon.

I think it is primary however definitely has a kelvin timeline look with the blue on top and then the throw back red below

I prefer what can be inferred by STO's Timelines Graphic, that the Kelvin Timeline shares certain major events with the Prime Timeline from before the Original Series (i.e. Xindi and Romulan Wars and the Eugenics Wars as well) but was already an alternate reality that Spock and Nero crossed into from the Prime Timeline. This clears up all of the inconsistencies between the two.

@dropdead234

5 жыл бұрын

Bad writing, and bad directing explains it better.

It is a Scout varient simular to the scouts listed in the Star Trek Technicle Manual

The USS KELVIN NCC-0514 is a EINSTEIN - CLASS Vessel

They didn't bother to have the budget to make a proper engineering for the Kelvin timeline ships. So they used factories instead. If you look at the concept art this becomes even more apparent as it showcases something much more in line with the Prime timeline.

As odd as this sounds, I think the 'Kelvin Class' might be a modification of a class known as the Apollo Class, it was a ship class that first appeared on a screen in a game called Starfleet Command, probably not the most noteworthy or reliable source, but it is a recurring ship class, even making an appearance in Star Trek Legacy.

My knowledge is quite limited, but it does seem to me that one could say the Kelvin was like a super experimental slap-together, unlike the prestine ships everyone likes, and starfleet was aiming more for pre-split. After the timeline split, they may have needed to shift back to these type of ships for general designs since the focus was no longer prestine but battle worthy.

This might have been suggested all ready, but it might have been cool if they had made the Kelvin either a scout or destroyer vessel taken from the old tech manuals.

The entire set JJ movies is a different universe to me, not from any scene but because they exist and break everything Kelvin breaks the 2 nacelle that can see each other rule.

My headcanon is the Kelvin was a testbed for new design ideas and the Narada showing up didn't allow it to fail (like it would in prime) so a second "better designed" ship was created that would convince these new ideas to pass muster were they (rightfully) failed in the prime timeline

I wonder if anyone's pointed the potential comparison to the supposed 'Freedom Class' vessel seen in a shot of the aftermath of Wolf 359 (TNG: The Best of Both Worlds), there's a few other references in Memory Alpha (which while it could be wrong, is generally considered canon) of single nacelled craft comprising a small portion of the fleet. I remember reading somewhere that Gene Rodenberry never wanted any single nacelle ships, though, and from the books (Federation in particular) it seems to point that the second nacelle was needed for a truly stable warp core. With that in mind, a single nacelle ship could be useful as a cheap, low speed/low power craft in local deployments or longer term science surveys, where someone doesn't necessarily want to just warp out quickly

...the Kelvin Class of ship would probably make a good test mule for warp nacelle design since it only uses one which would be easy to jettison in case of an emergency and negates the necessity of building 2 for test purposes on one starship.

Aside from the Phasers and photon torpedoes, what were those point defense looking turrets?

Roddenberry was very specific on federation ships no fed ship had less than 2 nacelles nor did any have 3 they worked in tandem to each other

The shuttle bay to me is reminiscent of one of the variants of the Constitution shuttle bay from the films, the motion picture one in particular with its open design combined with cargo storage. The Kelvin at least has some flexibility in its use as i always felt the TMP ships layout would have led to bottlenecking if various flight operations were being conducted around the same time. In all ai think the Kelvin works as both a callback to many features seen in the original canon as well as representing an older cruder aesthetic that highlights the more advanced nature of the Enterprise.

I liked the idea of this. It shows the Starfleet was experimenting with different technologies. I reckon the Kelvin used a design that was deemed limited and inefficient and was later phased out for more advanced technology.

Will you being doing Kelvin Constitution class next?

I need to find it but at one point I had a chart that had different classes of ship and if I am not mistaken the USS Kelvin did have a class on this chart. There was two different class designs with some exterior changes. If I ever find where I put it I will send you a picture of it.

@LoreReloaded

5 жыл бұрын

I doubt your chart is alpha canon - but i'd be curious in knowing so let me know if you find it!

@germanfoxlord1

5 жыл бұрын

@@LoreReloaded it was from before alpha canon was started.

@germanfoxlord1

5 жыл бұрын

@@LoreReloaded ok I found it and took some pictures of the whole thing. How shall I send them to you?

First, people often refers to Mr. Roddenberry being against the one nacelle ship. That's why in ST First Contact Zefram Cochrane "ship/rocket" had two nacelle. To be honest I was expecting the "ball" shape two nacelle ship that usually appear in old drawings depicting the Human / Romulan war but I guess the ship would looked like a SW's Death Star with nacelles.