As a Spanish Military Police conscript I had this gun. You are right, it was, it is, easy to use, well made, sturdy, easy shooting, easy to mantain, and easy to conceal under a coat while having 'special services' with civilian clothing. Probably this is why it is still in service.

@antoniosanchez9123

Жыл бұрын

In the year 86 during my service in the military police I shot a lot in shooting exercises and I never liked it, I preferred the CETME from the recruiting period or the Star 9mm pistol.

@pedroorozco5232

Жыл бұрын

I was in the MP in the 90s an had a Z too, and you were right it was light weapon very easy to carry for patrols and conceal under a raincoat.

@chitochu

Жыл бұрын

Ole

@Mark_nobody3

10 ай бұрын

The smg you carry, just like an emergency weapon when you don’t have enough time to Aquire a gun but enough time to defend yourself quickly

@pablopablo1765

7 ай бұрын

Hola yo también LO USE..POLICIA MILITAR EN TENERIFE...remplazo 85- 86. LA VOLVERIA A HACER SIN PENSARLO... PARA MI UN AÑO IMPORTANTE.....

But Ian! When you fire it from the hip it completes your “80s action movie evil henchman” look. Cmon! Pony tail, polarized sunglasses? Obscure/evil looking sub gun? I can’t be the only one thinking it

@TheActionBastard

5 жыл бұрын

Or the mercenary guy hired by someone but who's 100% out of his depth when the hero comes through the glass roof and sprays everyone down with a heavy machine gun and no recoil. Oh 80s and 90s action movies... you gave no fucks and blew up things just for the sake of blowing them up. Oh! And this dude is always seen in profile spraying a whole magazine like that's how you use one of these. So no you're not the only one thinking this.

@pablopalmero4879

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Hes the declared Jesus of HK of guns.

@travisreed1730

9 ай бұрын

An assassin, definitely.

4:24 Spanish marine commandos have been playing too much DooM

@joaquimpereira4995

5 жыл бұрын

TheDarknessArising I know right

@soyelmasguapo

5 жыл бұрын

This posture was used commonly in recruit publicity and press released..... I know It by first hand.... 😂😂😂

@shdowhunt60

5 жыл бұрын

TheDarknessArising Nah, in that case they’d be holding the weapons with their pectorals

@DanknessArising

5 жыл бұрын

shdowhunt60 lmao

@mascamuelassmith8088

5 жыл бұрын

Stormtrooper shooting

The CETME model C assault rifle and the Star Z-70b submachine gun, inseparable companions of the Spanish soldier during his military service.

That centred assault position is pretty standard 1950s-90s military stuff.

This gun is still in service within the Civil Guard corps in Spain, the army already replaced it with german made carbines and assault rifles long time ago.

@pommegranate448

5 жыл бұрын

You're right, I meant designed not made, my fault

@soyelmasguapo

5 жыл бұрын

In "Guardia Civil" is not entirely units HK36 suministrated. Is very common to see them with CETME's LC models nowadays. The Star SMG's was partially retired of service duty and only administrative personnel had assigned some ones.

@repletereplete8002

5 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing them carried by the guard 20 years ago holidaying in Spain.

@soyelmasguapo

5 жыл бұрын

Well, the spanish armed forces use a local versions of HK 36 manufacturated in "La Coruña" former "Santa Bárbara Military Industries" actually part of General Dynamics Corp. Who manufacture the military NATO ammo too. HK36 was modified some parts of the gun and don't have the problems of the Bundeswher versions in prolongated fire.....

@HappyBeezerStudios

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting, so there might be some hope for the G36 after all. It would only take some german engineering optimized in spain. What does that remind me if.

*Insert it looks like a star wars blaster comment

@Shepard_AU

5 жыл бұрын

It looks like a star wars blaster

@seanjoseph8637

5 жыл бұрын

They used Sterling submachine guns as Star Wars blasters I believe.

@soyelmasguapo

5 жыл бұрын

Well, the StarWars blaster can be a surplus of CETME C2 (SMG).... It's seem like a Sterling SMG....

@planescaped

5 жыл бұрын

It's ridiculous how many times you see the 'this looks like a star wars blaster' comments on videos. Or the 'this looks like it's from fallout'

@andrewshierling6131

5 жыл бұрын

Sean Joseph they did use them for the stormtroopers blasters

Era nuestra arma en las unidades de Policia Aerea del Ejercito del Aire Español. Estuve con ella casi dos años. Durante las guardias nos acompañaba con 4 cargadores de 40 cartuchos a todos los sitios. La llevabamos al comedor, estaba debajo de nuestra almohada mientras dormiamos y nos acompañaba hasta a mear. En el tiro semanal le dábamos mucha caña sobre todo a ráfaga y las vainas nos caían hasta por encima de la cabeza. Percusión adelantada así que no le quitabamos el ojo al seguro cuando estaba montada. Guardo buenos recuerdos. Tienes suerte de vivir en un pais donde puedes comprar un arma así y salir a pegar unos tiros. Gracias y Like for you.

@krosskreut3463

5 жыл бұрын

Wow , que buena anecdota

@Angelbodyblock

5 жыл бұрын

Estaba emocionado mientras grababa el video se le notan los cambios de tono en la voz al hermoso jeje

@Big1_

5 жыл бұрын

Pues a mí me parece una Tec 9 pero con culata alargada y soporte para el hombro... Baja calidad y mala arma.

@steelman134

5 жыл бұрын

Lo del final me ha gustado mucho, sobre todo sabiendo que viene de un miembro de los cuerpos de seguridad del estado, un saludo.

@aitortilla5128

5 жыл бұрын

Me gustaria saber de los que critican cuantos tienen experiencia real en FFAA y cuantos son simplemente expertos en el Call of Duty.

Forgotten Weapons in my opinion is the most educational and fun to watch firearms channel. Lots of history and technical stuff lots of shooting, and less politics and tacticool shenanigans. Thanks Gun Jesus, for your efforts. A Video about the HK G41 would be cool. 😉

Love your videos, you know some history too, and it is nice to hear someone who knows what he is doing with the weapons. Greetings from Spain

You can see in the slow motion that the gun climbs slightly even before the first shot goes off. As the bolt is dropping, the rest of the gun is climbing in reaction. Open bolt, especially with this cantilevering stock, really does seem to hurt accuracy.

@Shepard_AU

5 жыл бұрын

2 things that hinder this one in particular is the angle of the folding stock (as stated in the video) and the heavy material on the bolt to reduce the fire rate.

@m249machinegun2

5 жыл бұрын

I would like to see this gun fitted with a good comp on the muzzle and fired full auto to see the difference.

@AXEL201211

2 жыл бұрын

My father used it in the coe (old special forces of the spanish army) and allways told me that it was very acurate he loved the Z alot

4:43 Ian McCollum is back in Forgotten Weapon 2 : Calm before the Storm. The pose + the ponytail + hipfire is really giving me 80's action flick vibes.

Funny to see this little weapon in action again. I used it in my military service as an MP back in 92. I loved shooting with it. I think this weapon was mainly used in military police forces, as it was most likely not intended to be used in major battle scenes.

Being Spanish, living in the UK, I'm very glad to see a gun I can say I shoot it.

subfusil muy agradable, muy agradecido, y muy economico, muy recomendable

I've seen more Canadian machine guns on Forgotten Weapons than I did living in Canada for over 26 years.

@joaquinandreu8530

5 жыл бұрын

Same on Spanish guns and I live less than 5 km away from a Spanish Army museum...

Superb! FW never ceases to entertain and educate 👍

Spanish Navy Commandos sometime ago, replace the Z-70's for the Z75 and his evolution Z84 that seem like a UZI's and can use supressors and really can shot submerged. The Z75 was probed by Comandante Gorordo Unit (like USN SEAL's or British SBS's, etc). Actually named "Fuerza de Guerra Naval Especial. The reports of the force was very positive and his experiences and recomendations based the Z84 design. Nice video, Thanks!

@joaquinandreu8530

5 жыл бұрын

Oh, oh, if only Ian could get his hands on a Z-84. Quite difficult, as the Assault Gun prevented most of them reaching the USA. I think the Iranian Navy commandos still use them

@RealMomar27

5 жыл бұрын

Que comentario tan interesante, gracias

@papaya_virus

4 жыл бұрын

Gracias Jose A.

Una buena arma. Hice muchas prácticas de tiro con ella y cumplia perfectamente.

I remember seeing that gun in an old Ian Hogg book when I was younger. I hadn't thought about it in years until I saw this video. Now, looking at it again, it kind of reminds me of an overgrown Tec-9, except that it appears to actually work. Thanks for another great video, Ian!

Is the Pablo Iglesias in Rambo mode on

@RealMomar27

5 жыл бұрын

Jajajaj, que bueno

@masterpsp21

5 жыл бұрын

Is Spaninglish

@ManuelRodriguez-dd4jt

5 жыл бұрын

@@masterpsp21 Dando un simposium en Venezuela

@ramjb

5 жыл бұрын

Joder la carcajada ha sido épica XDDD

@miguelencanarias

5 жыл бұрын

¡Muy bueno! Es verdad que tiene un parecido, ahora que lo dices. Mejor no pensar en eso, no sea que le coja manía. Los americanos tienen un apodo mejor para Ian: le llaman Gun Jesus (por razones obvias).

I guess I am one of the few who do not have a bad opinion of the Star handguns. I have owned a BK, BKM and a PD, all of which performed flawlessly for me, I loved the little M1911 clones and they are indeed among the guns I wished I had kept in my collection. I carried the BKM and the PD at different times as off duty guns and felt well protected because of their great performance on the range.

@thingthingsss

5 жыл бұрын

I have a Star Model 30, and it's probably the second best handgun I've ever owned.

@brasstard7.627

5 жыл бұрын

Jerry Ericsson I never realized how many people don't like Star I've always thought they were high-quality I grew up with a model F 22LR. And I used to have a really cool pink framed Star model hk22 that a girl talked me out of. I believe it's the first pink frame the gun ever and it was imported before 68 I made a little video about it. I think it's pretty rare least in the US I've never seen another one and I can't find a proper magazine for it

@soyelmasguapo

5 жыл бұрын

One advice, the users manual of the Star PD don't say one important information.... You need change the recoil buffer (piece of plastic) at more or less 1000 rd. In order to prevent light alloy frame fractures.

I loved them , thanks for the video ,great to see the gun again

Ian is the best person to listen to. He chose the perfect avenue in life with teaching all of us about this beautiful history.

Just watched the Star Z62 review a few minutes ago, and you described the trigger setup backwards here. You hold the top portion for full auto, and the bottom for semi. Still, great video!

That was my issued firearm during my military service in Spain because I was a 4x4 driver, Lad Rovers specifically. I really loved it, so light and effective... The Cetme L was only a sad joke, jam-atic piece of trash.

@koalamc9614

4 жыл бұрын

Que crítico 😂 tenía un colega de 1,70m que llevaba el mg 42,imagina un umpalumpa con una lanza escupe balas dios esa foto es única..

I love the marstar trip videos!! I live down the road from them.

My father carried it in the 80s during his military service, he was an army mechanic and he says he had to carry it whenever he went on maneuvers with his toolbox.

I remember the Z series from previous videos. Looks like it works well. I wonder if a straight sliding stock would have worked better than an underfolder. I heard somewhere that a common training technique now is to put the SMG in tge center of the chest. That way the shooter points with his body, and the sights are not far below the eyes. I think the idea is to look over the sights and use them for indexing. U might try the technique with your next SMG shoot. Great video as always. Thank you

It has a pretty light and good recoil impulse at full auto. The low cyclic rate helps!

I love the sound of full auto in the evening..............sounds like Forgotten Weapons!!!

Works good enough and that's all that matters at the end of the day. I think I would be very happy to take this into combat even today, looks quite light as well. Obviously not to replace a rifle but as a personal defence weapon for sure. Yea it's quite light at 2.87kg's and it's really small. Could put it in a bag or just on your back.

Where does Star get its bad reputation from in the US? Here in South Africa the Star Model B (9mm 1911 clone) was used by the military back in the day and seem to have been pretty popular.

@Rake3577

5 жыл бұрын

Vanilla they were very popular in lebanon and known for good triggers and reliability, in hollywood they liked to convert them to blank firing guns because 9mm blank is more reliable than 45 and the stars were the cheapest yet most reliable guns for the job

@EFCasual

5 жыл бұрын

In the US most stars are low caliber pistols of poor quality.

@Shepard_AU

5 жыл бұрын

I think because it's so much safer than the grease gun the U.S. had been using since the 90's.

@jic1

5 жыл бұрын

The US *stopped* using the grease gun in the '90s, and it was really only AFV crew equipment for about 20 years before that.

@brasstard7.627

5 жыл бұрын

Vanilla I'm in the US and I think Star 22s are high-quality at least a model F series. Though I have run into a Star model HK Lancer 22 that kept breaking firing pins and we made new ones for it from a number of different types of metal including ordering a new F-series pin and it broke them all until I made one out of an M16 cleaning rod by hand. I don't think it was necessarily the gun but star must have put the wrong length firing pin in the gun that was too long I think they put a Model F series firing pin when the hk model takes a shorter one and every time we copied it that same length it would just break it again I made a shorter one that's the one that still works. I believe it is the first pink framed gun in the world and it was imported into the US before 68 I have a video on it

OMG, the famous Zeta. I remember when child, my school was next to a military garrison and the guards had those!

That centered firing position is probably for reactive close quarters firing. They used to teach something similar in ww1-ww2 just with bolt actions.

thanks for another oddball

I have a Canadian C1 SMG manual that described firing from the center belly with the stock folded - for CQB ...

One of those Star "Z" models was featured in the Miami Vice episode "Cool Runnin'" (Season 1 Episode 3).

Durante mi servicio militar obligatorio en el año 2000, en la Policía de Aviación en el Ejército del Aire, haciamos prácticas de tiro todas las semanas con el, luego pasé al Ejército de Tierra como profesional y en mi compañía todavía quedaban algunos, después de disparar con armas modernas de polímeros, sigo echando de menos el viejo Star Z-70B.

It sounds like every video game smg ever.

I made another comment about the Z-63 video; when I served, the Z-70 was the weapon assigned to NCOs (on top of their hand gun), and it is a light gun, but not very good for combat in the field. This is a gun designed for combat in the streets, and the different branches of the Spanish Police (Policia Nacional, Guardia Civil, etc...) used it very effectively. Its range is very short. Personally, I prefer the CETME assault rifle.

Wow, that's some pretty soft recoil. Neat!

You can really tell how it starts to climb as the bolt falls, even before the round is shot.

man it would be nice to freely own full-autos in Canada

Thank you, Gun Jesus, for blessing us with your teachings and wisdom.

They are available as parts kits in the USA. Have yet to see a semi build.

You should review the Charola-Anitua Model 1897 or the Zulaica revolver 1905

arma compacta , confiable y robusta , con una aceptable precision dentro de las de su tipo .

@jackbravo9493

3 жыл бұрын

¿precisión?... Creo que no has disparado con ella... Suele disparar por encima de donde apuntas. Tienes que conocerla y corregir su defecto para hacer un buen tiro.😜

I believe the center of the body technique you used in this video is the Grant-Taylor shooting technique. The technique was developed by a British Special Operations Executive (SOE) close-combat pistol instructor during World War II.

It was a very reliable, light but solid smg. I made the military service in Spain with it instead with those crappy Cetme L because I was a Land Rover's driver.

What would be really awesome when you're shooting, if you have another camera available, would be to insert in a corner a view of the target at the same time.

@ToastyMozart

5 жыл бұрын

If he invests in more recording equipment, I'd much rather it be some better mics and a compressor. Not much use for a target cam when he's usually just shooting at hillsides.

always nice to see both spanish guns and smgs. ever get your hands on a Labora?

finally more shooting videos :D

I saw it many times in my father's hand, was suited for sargeants of a company. A little times I picked up and reaaly you note that was a good submachine gun. It was employed as quick response weapon in sentinel missions and was the main armament from de MP of the Spanish Navy.

@madmax-rf4tb

4 жыл бұрын

Air foce MP. also

Love your videos. Always educational. Your mic is a little hot though. Not sure if you can just turn down the gain or maybe its may the mic itself.

I have fired it during my military service and it was light and reliable but its dissembling was hard: you have to rotate the cannon till a particular position, signed with a grenade simbol and it was quite nasty

That automatic gun is such a pride of my country

Experience shows. I was a bit surprised when you mentioned a climbing tendency; it doesn't show in the video.

I hope there is a video where you gut it and play show and tell. I'm all about seeing how it works

Am I the only one that thinks this looks like a bigger TEC-9?

@albertolera2662

5 жыл бұрын

Inspirada en el mp 40 i think.

@tlshortyshorty5810

5 жыл бұрын

No.

@xaquko9718

4 жыл бұрын

More like the TEC-9 looks like a smaller Z-70. I don't know if there's any mechanical similarity but the Z-70 existed long before the TEC-9.

Awesome Smg for sure

Is there any way for you to do some videos about guns from Spain's older brother, Portugal? Like the LUSA or FBP SMGs.

Is still in use here, in Spain. Guardia Civil also use CETME 7,62 and 5,56 cetmeL

The cutaway view shows something like the second sear found on Walther MPL, not seen on Z62. I suspect this version is safer.

I have fired thousands of bullets, with that weapon and well greased and cared for, it never gave me any problem, nor jammed nor breakage of firing pin or springs. Light and very precise in its range of fire. 💪

Did you mean the Star Z-63, Ian? I see it in the recommended videos and didn't find a 62 video during a quick search.

great job, Ian ;). Now on to the next one...Star Z-84 ;). Very reminiscent of the UZI, It'd be interesting to hear your thoughts about it, specially compared to it :)

THAT WAS MORE THAN A COUPLE

La utilice en el ejército de tierra. Un arma extraordinaria, muy segura. En el video no hacen bien el disparo desde la cintura. La posición del tirador es incorrecta.

I own three Star pistols, and I love all of them.

i was using one of them when iwas in the Spanish army ,i served in COE 41 in 1985

Somehow I read it as Stalin's Improved SMG, so I was confused when Spain kept being mentioned

@maximilianfranz2158

5 жыл бұрын

miniguyw yeah, would be pretty crazy

@harvestn9841

5 жыл бұрын

You should ask Google for eye doctors in your area.

@thelegendaryklobb2879

5 жыл бұрын

Dyslexia rocks! XD

@madmax-rf4tb

4 жыл бұрын

Ignorance is a big problem

the gun looks like the E11 blaster rifle from the Stormtroopers

Subfusil usado en Ejército de España, muy especialmente en la PM Policía Militar, junto con arma corta Star, ambas usando mismo calibre 9 mm

Now with folding stock sub guns is there a lot of play in the stock? Excuse my ignorance to it the only underfolding stock platforms I've ever had experience with are the ak underfolders

It still on duty in Guardia Civil and National Police in a secondary services such as building static protection . For SWAT and counter riot units , they use HK MP5, HK MP7 and FN P-90 ( P-99 only on use in National Police Special Unit ,the GEO ).

I still would love to get my hands on this thing it looks so cool I would die to wanna have it

Could someone explain why, as seen in the slow motion footage at 5:17, some bullet shells flip so much while others do not flip as much even though they are the same bullets fired from the same weapon?

Looks like a stirling that feeds from the bottom

We love your channel stay awesome

aahhh...the mid 80's hip fire

Do you think a rhodesian FAL style muzzlebreak would be useful on guns that climb like this?

Man you must have really cleaned up at Marstar. Still rolling these vids out once in a while.

I have a Star 40 cal. Beautiful weapon

Fuck yeah Ian, nice video!

I haven't notice about some unit use actually this gun in Spain. It's called Zeta, well know in final 60's to early 90's for been used for the Policía Nacional and Guardia Civil (the difference is that the Guardia civil is a military corps that accomplish service as traffic cop on roads outside the cities, security patrol in state buildings between others tasks) I used one of this during my obligatory military service in Spain only during practices in a shooting range. I subscribed the objections described only declared that some units of this gun tend to throw the shells for back.

Dunno why, but I think it could have another inch or two of barrel length for a bit more muzzle velocity, a telescopic bolt to make it even shorter, and a simple compensator to counter the muzzle climb.

Thats a blaster!

Yo la he utilizado y disparado en el Ejército Español, igual que el Cetme c de 7.62 , unos de los mejores fusiles de asalto de siempre .

As a compact smg, how does this compare, in your opinion, to the hotchkiss universal, both shooting and handling?

I used it in the military service of Spain in 1986

Did you ever look at the old Star 30 pistols? If you didn't and you wanted to, I have one in pretty good shape currently.

C'mon, Ian, TRUE commando would dual wield them and spray the hell out of the berm! :D

No solo la utilizaba la PM tambien las dotaciones de carros y TOAS

Hey Ian, quick question: do you have a cameraman? or do you work alone? do you record , edit and upload your videos by yourself?

@ForgottenWeapons

5 жыл бұрын

I work alone most of the time.

I thought you had a video on the Z-63 only? I can't find the vid on the Z-62.

Interesting the bolt goes forward as fast as rear wards. It seems the "nice" ones don't slam into that buffer.

Not too shabby.

Ah, la vieja Z 70 con la que algunos hicimos tantas guardias.

So without watching the previous videos on this, I'm going to guess that this is based on, at least in part, the Sterling SMG?