Strange New Worlds bumpy season two comes to a conclusion with an interest (and surprise) cliffhanger. Pop Tot and I had a blast reviewing this one. Let us know down in the comments below what you'd like to see us review next! Thanks as usual for your love and support. We will see you all on the next one! - Mr. Tot

@Xan3119

11 ай бұрын

Plus chief Kyle is gone and in his wake is some strange Tranny. With a pointed nose. chief Kyle was a good character pike was a good character. Because of their woke-ness this is getting destroyed quickly

Surprise Scotty for sure the strongest part of the episode. Looking forward to him next season.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

Me too! I honestly didn't expect it!

Pop Tot is 100% right. Chapel and Spock escaping the falling debris was maybe the best visual in the episode.

Oh god, yes, the end where Pike "Froze" was drug out too long.

I was initially so happy with _Strange New Worlds,_ but lately I've found myself feeling disappointed more often. Having *Christine* be the only survivor was almost a bridge too far for me. And that space suit moment too, as you noted.¹ I admit, the new gorns don't quite do it for me. And I have honestly tried to embrace the _Aliens™_ aspect. And I really do keep trying to ignore the idea that (as most likely know) we *first* encounter them in the _STAR TREK_ episode *"Arena."* Unfortunately, the _unknown mystery alien/possible misunderstanding_ was a primary aspect of said episode. I suppise I haven't been able to shake it becsuse I haven't felt the show hasn't introduced a better alternative. 🤷🏼‍♂️ While I enjoyed the _Lower Decks_ crossover, I was disappointed by the musical episode. And not *_because_*_ it was a musical episode._ I am totally down for that. I am very much a fan of musicals. I just felt the songs were lacking. Not terrible (thankfully). But also not memorable. And OMG, that klingon part was just outright embarrassing. 🤦🏼‍♂️ The one thing I didn't like about having *Scotty* show up actually has nothing to do with *Scotty.* It is that we had so much *James Kirk* already. *EDIT:* Oh! Almost forgot: I'm right with you and others here… *Pike's* delay was _too long,_ cliffhanger or not. I like the show. I like the crew and the actors portraying them. But I simply found myself disappointed by these past two episodes. Be well! 🙋🏼‍♂️ ··•●✺●•·· ¹ ─ Had they kept the space suits behind a panel (like each section has some, similar to life preservers), then I'd have been okay with it.

It was very odd to drop in Zombies in the conversation. I feel like they are red herring us with Batel.

lol, the PM clip, lol. Love that channel too.

Scotty.....!!!! Scotty! Scotty! I don't care about the flaws in the scenario, when I heard that Scottish accent I got a big grin on my face. And he's a perfect Baby Scotty, and I love it.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

Agreed! So happy to see him return!

There's maybe 3 ways to do this cliffhanger. Riker's, "Fire." Or, saying yo warp them to safety and some line about getting them back. OR. STVI's "signal our surrender" and cut to black. Hailing frequencies has been done, not much tension. The Farragut showing up wouldn't work as a cut-to-black. Choosing nothing was an odd choice. Pike froze. wtf. As well, none of the bridge crew gave suggestions. Not even Una. If the next season isnt until 2025, they might do well to have a timejump, and tell part of it in flashback.

You are so right, they destroyed a whole ship of federation members but like with many governments they are willing to sacrifice a lot of people.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

Just not consistent story telling or world rules in my mind.

I DID smile when Pike ordered them all to the Barbershop. It may not have been intentional. But I took it to be a jab about his hair in season 1.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

Definitely intentional. Good catch on that!

@windgraceproject

11 ай бұрын

thanks!@@NaterTot

Starfleet taking the pacifist route after a ship has been destroyed I think is fairly consistent with Starfleet in almost all trek

The point was that the colony was probably (accidently) really in Gorn Space and they think it could cause a debilitating war . . . . That was the point of why the Gorn attacked in Arena.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

Definitely understand that up until the point they destroyed a Federation ship and killed 200 plus people.

@JohnMinehan-lx9ts

11 ай бұрын

Would the Federation want to fight a war with a power like the Gorn over something that was their error? Would the rest of the Federation (Vulcans, Andorrans, Tellurites, etc.) stand by what looks like a unilateral colonial effort by Humans, made in error, against an implacable and inherently territorial foe? One Star Ship (which did not fall into Gorn hands) and 600 people appears a small price to pay to avoid a war that would have the potential to kill millions, which could be lost and which might tear the Federation apart. @@NaterTot

@Werrf1

9 ай бұрын

@@JohnMinehan-lx9ts Would the Federation of the Next Generation era want to do that? No, probably not. But this isn't that Federation. This Federation just fought a massive war with the Klingons that started when a Starfleet captain showed "weakness" and refused to respond to an obvious provocation. Is it really believable that they're going to make the exact same mistake again? Especially when in season 1 we had an episode that was all about how Pike showing weakness to the Romulans would start a war? It's lazy writing, just reusing the same trope over and over without real thought.

cool episode but yeah there were some weird decisions being made and how things played out. im loving strange new worlds but will say needed more captain pike he definitely got side lined this season and i really liked his character since he got introduced in std which i dropped since. love the gorn saw some practical fx there i think? really impressed with the cgi with strange new worlds definitely has some budget behind it or really good artists not sure. feel like some of these character development stuff needs to be two parters. like mbenga with the klingons and the whole some of the crew were in the war and had to do some serious stuff. this last episode definitely could have been a two parter for sure first half being on the planet during the gorn invasion and them trying to survive last of us zombie apocalypse style then part two be pikes team going down there, try to get back out but then cliffhanger. not sure where we going here im guessing gorn gonna do some alien breeding stuff or for whatever reason try to hold the hostages ransom against the federation idk something kinda basic.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

100% got sidelined and a lot of the writing for his character was super inconsistent.

They gave up so damn fast on any survivors on that ship XD

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

Had to be at least one person left on that ship who was alive, right?

@JohnMinehan-lx9ts

11 ай бұрын

ADM April probably fcounted on Pike doing what he did, the kind of "Horatio Hornblower" thing the franchise is built around . . . .

The problem with the series is that it splits episodes up by different character. So you have to have Spock and Nurse Chapel do the same thing that Pike and Batel do. And then you have to cut back to the ship with meaningless moments with Una and Carol Kane. And then this makes the ending utterly absurd. Who is this guy Pike? Why is he unable to make a decision? Why is his girlfriend telling him what to do all the time? Of course you have to introduce yet another character, Scotty. For no reason at all It would have been far better to focus on Pike. Have him go to the planet, fight the Gorn, save Nurse Chapel or Batel. And then, when he is successful and the audience experiences all of the action and all of the character development through one character, then you can have the cliffhanger. And it would be far more interesting. It's a stupid cliffhanger but at least it would be more interesting if it happened to the person that you spend an episode telling stories about.

I'd give it a B-. Feel in between Pop Tot and Tot.

The part that I eye-rolled about was how they conveniently beamed a luggage trunk out of a cargo bay that magically provided them a cache of weapons that can neutralize the Gorn, who up to this time had been unbeatable. 🙄Oh, and by the way, there are luggage trunks of the same weapons secretly stored on every ship in the fleet. 🛅 How convenient.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

That too. Although none of that did play any factor into the episode though.

It seems to me that Pike is not a good war / battle Captain. The 1st Season finalA quality of mercy , hints at this. He was not part of the Klingon War.

Why was Spock the only one who could do this mission? What good is a rocket inside the ship? How did Spock and Chapel stop in orbit when they had the same speed as the wreck? And a cliffhanger? Really?

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

Completely agree, Mark. I feel the ship entering the orbit would have destroyed them too

@Mark_o_Helm

11 ай бұрын

@@NaterTot luckely Christine was the only survivor, we noticed on the ship. I imagined an unknown crewman screaming in silence behind a window while the ship zooms by the camera.😁

I just hated the Scotty reveal. He started talking with his accent and was like up I built this trap, and i was like Scotty. And it was. I would-be liked to be caught off guard instead of calling it.

They need to get it over with having Pike and Spock getting a sex change together. It would be stunning and super brave.

The Gorn are getting a bit better. but still not doing it for me really.

@CaesiusX

11 ай бұрын

Same. And I really do keep trying to ignore the idea that (as you likely know) we first encounter them in the _STAR TREK_ episode *"Arena."* Unfortunately, it was a primary aspect of said episode.

But the question is...does Batel die next season.

@JohnMinehan-lx9ts

11 ай бұрын

Probably, as she does no exist in TOS. If she did, she would have been the logical one to abet. Spock in the Pike two parter . . . .

I just wonder, in a year or two, if and or when the series returns, will the audience have simply moved on with their lives and lost the connection with this series. This episode made me angry. I felt manipulated and cheated. I have already lost 80% of my interest in it already. Honestly, the Gorn do not seem believable as a warp capable society. So, I guess we will have to see. Note to show runners. Always have a season or more extra in the can when approaching a writers or actors strike. Especially if you have something of this magnitude going.

😂 It's Picard, not Strange new worlds😂

It's Just a TV show, Why so nitpicky . Have you ever heard suspension of disbelief. You two probably liked theLower decks episode and the musical episode before it. LOL. Those were to silly for me.

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

It’s our opinion. Just because it says Star Trek, something we love, doesn’t mean it isn’t free from criticism. Criticism isn’t a concrete viewpoint, but mere a perspective. We are just providing a perspective and viewpoint. If you enjoy the episode, wonderful! Pop Tot clearly did and that’s awesome!

@dellper1

11 ай бұрын

@@NaterTot True ! Idon't like everything that has the name Star Trek, I just look for certain things in a ST episode that gives me that ST feel. I get the whole opinion thing and nothing is free from criticism but I don't like it when a episode is making fun of the show. Laughing at the episode rather than with it. I'm not saying they can't have fun but when they get way too silly I just don't enjoy it as much. Understand ? If you want some silly scfi go watch the old Lost in space..

@NaterTot

11 ай бұрын

@@dellper1 I don't want silly sci-fi. I want well written sci-fi. I don't feel this finale was that nor was the prior episodes you mentioned. They were fine. Deep Space Nine is my favorite of all Trek and I deeply believe Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 are some of the best written sci-fi television ever. We both massively enjoy serious, well done content. But hey, I am thankful for you sharing your opinion. It means a lot.

@dellper1

11 ай бұрын

@@NaterTotI don't want silly scfi either LOL. I have seen Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 and Deep Space Nine as well, Like them all . TOS will always be my fav. Thank you for this debate without sinking low. I really enjoy talk with you.

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