Episode one should really have started with Picard waking up saying "I had a horrible dream..."

@ANobodyatall

Жыл бұрын

In the shower.

@kannnnn392

Жыл бұрын

should i watch first 2 season before watching this?

@jasongrundy1717

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, which is why Drinker is drunk again. Sticking some garlic aioli on a crap sandwich is still a crap sandwich.

@derosa1989

Жыл бұрын

@@kannnnn392 no! skip it, nothing happens, it's useless.

@himwhoisnottobenamed5427

Жыл бұрын

“Councillor, what is the date? I need to know the exact date.”

It’s like meeting your childhood hero as an adult and he’s a drunk loser. Even if he cleans up his act, the magic is gone.

@arioch2112

Жыл бұрын

Excellent summation of current state of things, for me that started when Nimoy told me in 2009 to forget about all that stuff in my house I bought and read and watched over the decades which was why Leonard was hawking a newer version. And what's worse? It never had to be like this.

@ericjohnson7234

Жыл бұрын

Well life is terrible for everyone. As they say, never meet your hero

@mem1701movies

Жыл бұрын

@@arioch2112 I read that “Prime” Spock or universe wasn’t even really the same universe as TOS.

@iamdmc

Жыл бұрын

Stop telling us about your estranged father

@chucksenhowzen9740

Жыл бұрын

@@stpblum00 we know that dad

In the first episode of Season 3, during the opening montage, as the camera slowly pans past the federation console, there is a golden tree woven from wire right next to it. That tree was created by my uncle, Kenneth Dean Phillips. Uncle Ken died from cancer a few months before the show aired, but I would like to think he would be proud to see it there.

@Kiido11

Жыл бұрын

That's a really sweet story. Sorry about your uncle. How did his tree make it onto the show? Was he involved with production in some way?

@drumguy1384

Жыл бұрын

@@Kiido11 In fact, he wasn't. He lived on a small farm in Arkansas and started making them as a hobby. He was always a business minded person. He worked for a few fortune 500s before retiring to the farm several years ago. He sold his trees on Etsy, and I guess someone at CBS saw them. He was approached by someone a year or two ago to buy one for a TV production. He and the rest of the family though it was pretty cool, but we didn't know what show it was for. It was quite a surprise to see it there, and it gave us all a nice warm remembrance of Ken. He passed away back in November.

@roberto3151991

Жыл бұрын

Anyone making trees today?

@rockscousteau

Жыл бұрын

I watched the first episode a while ago and thought it sucked balls compared to seasons 1 and 2. So I quit watching this. Is it wort it?

@geley5285

Жыл бұрын

@@rockscousteau The setup in the first couple episodes is worth it, the later episodes tie things together elegantly

“Don’t believe them! Don’t trust them! Let them die!” - Captain James T. Kirk

@milea-carmaciumihai4288

Жыл бұрын

I swear, that was the first thing that came to mind when i heard ppl praising season 3

@zoladkow

Жыл бұрын

​@@milea-carmaciumihai4288 😁 yup, same same 👍 and so far i don't disagree with that intuition 🤷

@bartsullivan4866

Жыл бұрын

Such great dialog from Undiscovered Country. A far superior movie where even Kirk has to overcome his prejudice

@TJFicarrotta

Жыл бұрын

The best captain ever in my opinion.

@notabannedaccount8362

Жыл бұрын

@@TJFicarrotta Captain Jellico was pretty wizard.

I mean I think its ultimately too little too late. However the fact that they reached out to Drinker with an early screening speaks volumes. Did they fire the previous show runners and get new people? I was under the impression that this segment of the fandom was seen as villainous and everything that is wrong with society by the people making these shows.

@jrus690

Жыл бұрын

All but one guy left to do different shows, one of which was Star Trek Strange New Worlds. The guy that remained was left with the creative freedom to do this, hence the huge change in tone.

@romevang

Жыл бұрын

Show runner Terry Matalas seems to be one of the forces involved with the changes this season.

@deanfirnatine7814

Жыл бұрын

They reached out to almost every You Tuber that has hated on modern Trek with the exception of Doomcock who seems super bitter over it.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

I mean It's been a good strategy to give these guys early access the season... feels a bit like an olive branch from the studio.. some people would say they are desperate.. but to quietly reach out to the fandom menace and say take a look at this, feels like a change in tone from the studio to just calling them toxic like it's been doing for the past 6 years... some might say too little too late. But if paramount has listened and is now willing to make star trek for star trek fans not twitter influencers.. this could be a small step in the right direction..

@looinrims

Жыл бұрын

It’s amazing to me how random people who just make videos get this treatment…

the best thing about the series is that we find out that dr crusher hated wesley just as much as the rest of us

@jeffkeenan5059

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know about that 🤔

@phantom-ow4uf

Жыл бұрын

LOL, yep.

@carlmiller8138

Жыл бұрын

Why??

@jamesrobinson2086

Жыл бұрын

If my son was supposed to grow up into a tall, masculine iconic traditional male figure... but instead all he did was get a pot belly and grow a beard to hide his weak chin I'd be pissed too and try again

@walter_the_wobot2349

Жыл бұрын

It’s 💩

Most Star Trek fans find continuity incredibly important and the fact that seasons 1-2 are still part of the continuity is probably the biggest hurdle to overcome no matter how much of an improvement season 3 may be.

@DmNixegramThecriticaldrinker11

Жыл бұрын

Contact me for your Reward 🎁🎁👆👆👆.

@HamiltonStIves

Жыл бұрын

AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek. I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is.

@StefanMortonmachinist

Жыл бұрын

Yes. My thoughts exactly.

@pjparkjd

Жыл бұрын

I don't think I watched season 2. If I did, I don't remember it, but I watched the first episode of S3 and it looked like the same-old to me. Two doddering old men come up with the dumbest plan imaginable to hitchhike on a starship to a nebula. They are saved when an oppressed female officer takes drives the ship to their desired destination against orders and isn't immediately thrown into the brig.

@fuzzywzhe

Жыл бұрын

I just don't consider anything beyond 1991 to be cannon. There. Problem solved.

Drinker I'm begging you please do one more Picard review at the end of this season. this has been the first Star Trek series I've been excited to sit down and watch every night since they started churning out new content. This was the reunion we'd been waiting for for decades.

@Mycr0bi

Жыл бұрын

I support this comment! This ending, left me with joy. It was an actual good story, and closure, but leaving open doors for another ST:Enterprise series! (Hopefully leaving the legends to rest.)

@EliteGoosePlusOne

Жыл бұрын

yeah i'd like to see his full commentary without the spoilers. we rarely get smart commentary from people who actually know and love good Star Trek

@chaost4544

Жыл бұрын

New Trek has kind of turned it around. I really enjoy "Strange New Worlds", "Lower Decks" is pretty entertaining, and Season 3 of Picard was excellent.

@ponderingmonk525

Жыл бұрын

^^^

@donnamofabrill4669

Жыл бұрын

Spoiler: the season also sucked

Wesley Crusher was so terrible that Picard season 3 gave Beverly an entirely new son.🙃

@angieoxford7092

Жыл бұрын

Was Wesley Crusher played by Wil Wheaton? I didn’t watch the series much, but enough to know that character is insufferable.

@luna-hw9li

Жыл бұрын

I guess Wheaton is still super-excited about this...

@leonardonovara9348

Жыл бұрын

Really makes you think, lol.

@JustinHEMI05

Жыл бұрын

That was the funniest thing to me about this episode.

@Zzyzzyx

Жыл бұрын

Wil Wheaton was a really gifted young actor (see: Stand By Me). It wasn't his fault his character was written to be so corny. And he had some good episodes toward the end of his time on the show.

Bad Robot put their best foot forward because their contract is about to expire. I truly believe if it gets renewed, Trek goes right back in the gutter.

@rickydeldo8596

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with that, you can't support them. Or they will get their contract extended and fu*k up ST for the next 20 years or so. They know 100% what they are doing.

@humankirk9196

Жыл бұрын

Not watching any JarJar Trek until Kurtzman is publicly beaten with a batleth

@humankirk9196

Жыл бұрын

JarJar and Kurtzman have to go, idgaf what they do. Frankly I would put them both in prison

@maelstrom2313

Жыл бұрын

​@The Rotten💯 Exactly. This is what we call a catch-22. There's no guarantee that either choice will have the desired outcome. Personally, I choose to "let the past die," and pray the studios follow.

@RonRonin

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. Pure pandering to save their jobs, then right back to pure trash

4 episodes in and they’ve all been at least 8/10. This is likely the last outing for these characters and I’m pretty sure I know where it’s going to end up. It’s the Picard show I wanted. One last mission with the TNG crew to make up for the calamity that was Nemesis. The first two Picard series seemingly erased. They even dumped the intro and the music from that nightmare.

@chaost4544

Жыл бұрын

The fourth episode vaulted up my list of favorite Trek episodes. The acting in the episode was phenomenal.

@sharpie3811

Жыл бұрын

@@chaost4544 The last 2 episodes and “17 seconds” are some of my favorite tv episodes ever already.

@electrictroy2010

Жыл бұрын

@JelloTR AMERICAN SHOWS say “seasons” not series because typically the show started September and ran until May (with no episodes during summer vacation). American shows are seasonal. So Picard had 3 seasons. TNG had 7 seasons. Et cetera. The term “series” refers to the whole show from start to finish.

@electrictroy2010

Жыл бұрын

Well… you refering to Picard Series 3 is as uneducated as me saying Doctor Who season 3. Both are wrong

Someone said something that I completely agreed with. They called season 3 of Picard, season 8 of TNG and I never knew I needed to hear that until it was said.

@electrictroy2010

Жыл бұрын

TNG seasons were 26 episodes long. Picard S3 isn’t even Half of a TNG season.

@dominicdudebromtl9380

11 ай бұрын

@@electrictroy2010 does the word 'whooosh' mean anything to you?

@zoso1980

9 ай бұрын

TNG had stories... this was just a rehash for nostalgia feels and memberberries in the bleak NuTrek aesthetic. Don't agree with the "S8" at all. Even Stewart himself said you can't bring back iconic shows. Once you got past the nostalgia, the silliness of the story ark was just empty, it was about seeing faces again rather than an interesting storyline. Sorry, TNG would've never sunk to such a pathetic low.

@RideAcrossTheRiver

9 ай бұрын

@@dominicdudebromtl9380 It sounds like what moderns do

@evanbelisle8464

6 ай бұрын

@@zoso1980there were plenty of goofy ass nothing TNG episodes.

For me, the consistent problem with Star Trek movies and TV shows since 2009 is characters talking and behaving like contemporary humans. Despite all the positive points this problem still remains, and has been my number one sticking point with nu trek.

@mrbeans2425

Жыл бұрын

YES SO TRUE! We get enough current events as it is! Is it really too much to ask to just want my space fantasy to actually be fantasy!

@Samael6685

Жыл бұрын

What contemporary human? I don't know enibody that behave like that.

@stephenshelton4267

Жыл бұрын

Having watched TNG - ENT I never noticed that they talked in a certain way until it was gone.

@NathanCassidy721

Жыл бұрын

As a guy who was the target audience for 2009 Star Trek, a Star Wars fan, I will give it credit for inspiring me to check out the old stuff. But what I appreciate about the older stuff is how much of it is NOT like Star Wars, a point that Bad Robot missed as nu trek tried to copy Star Wars.

@kevesdancey

Жыл бұрын

I remember watching the trailer for star trek 2009 and having doubts. Once I watched the movie. I hated it and it has only got worries, it is toxic!

Holy shit, hearing drinker sign off a video without sounding completely destroyed and upset, is a real pleasure

@MrMonsster

Жыл бұрын

I am confused as any man. I had the pleasure of watching the first 6 too (comes with the job) and I couldn't agree more.

@Baldur1005

Жыл бұрын

Watch his review of Maverick or Arkane

@dazza761

Жыл бұрын

His review of arcane was outstanding

@Novastar.SaberCombat

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY! Seriously, it made me a little bit happy, because we ALL needed to hear that something GOOD was finally coming through the poop pipes.

@Nostromo2144

Жыл бұрын

He must have run out of whiskey and had a momentary lapse of sanity, is all i can put it down to! 🤣

It's not a matter of having an open mind. It's a matter of having two things: the smallest modicum of pride, and also the knowledge that the more we patronize people who treated us like shit, the less support there is for other people who won't.

@HamiltonStIves

Жыл бұрын

AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek. I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't congratulate a Marxist just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter. Too little, too late.

@Wistbacka

Жыл бұрын

But shouldn't you also then acknowledge when they correct themselves and do something good? Otherwise, what's the point of course correcting if you still gonna get shit for the bad things you did? Then you just may keep pumping out shit I boycotted EA for half a decade. But when they released Titanfall 2, a good, finished game with no significant/forced micro transactions. I bought it to show: "okay. You did good this time. More of this, please!"

@SamusMcAslan

Жыл бұрын

@@Wistbacka I think this is an important perspective. If we still care at all about the franchise, we should reward them when they do things the right way. I don't see it so much as a "battered spouse" situation but more as a misbehaving dog situation. The bad behavior has gotten so bad that a lot of us have just started withholding our attention (and money), but when they do good, we can say, "Good boy, you get a treat and some pets," and some views/money. Complaints won't mean much to them. But if they see that season 3 makes more money and gets more views than the first two and more than STD, then they might go, "Hey, maybe we can make more money if we do it this way." And that *might* change their behavior going forward.

I once met Jonathon Frakes. I'm the guy who asked him what it's like to "beam in". He laughs and tells people about my question to this day at comicons and autograph signings. He chews a phenomenal amount of gum.

@basementbrotherscollectibles

Жыл бұрын

I’m gonna get my picture with him at comic con this year!

@PouchMaster

Жыл бұрын

@@basementbrotherscollectibles The whole time he was there he was chewing gum, and I see him doing the same thing in videos I watch of him at like Las Vegas conventions and such. It's compulsive, like a cigarette habit, only with gum. Watch for it when you meet him lol.

@RandomAccessDreams

Жыл бұрын

​@@PouchMaster I think he chews gum because he did smoke and is trying to kick the habit.

@PouchMaster

Жыл бұрын

@@RandomAccessDreams Did he smoke? That's hard to imagine!

@robbie_

Жыл бұрын

Haha great story.

As Gary well put it, this is the best it’s gonna get with Kurtzman Trek, it can’t save the series no more than Andor can do for Star Wars.

@dragons_red

Жыл бұрын

It's not about "saving" anything. It's more about sending the message to Hollywood on what is good writing and what is shite woke nonsense. And contrary to CD, I agree with Dave Cullen that these franchises need to be put out to pasture anyway and start coming up with new stuff.

@mac1991seth

Жыл бұрын

@@dragons_red The thing is, normally movies and TV shows should end with "happily ever after" (unless it's a drama, then it should end with "it is what it is" or "and then they all died"). But with sci-fi, you can always write a new captain, you can always make up a new ship, you can always add more planets, you can always come up with new stuff beyond the galaxy and worse case scenario you can give the old team kids and they're in the forefront now. Sci-fi shows get sequel'd and will continue to get sequel'd because deep down we want another Star Wars, we want another Star Trek, we want a new Doctor and we want another superhero thing (because at the end of the day it's sci-fi as well). So while I agree that all these things should just end and we should be happy that it happened, there will always be that part of humanity in us that asks "and what happened then?".

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

@@mac1991seth I agree with you That's what sci-fi is meant to be. They don't have the constrain of the real world, it doesn't need to be realistic, only to be believable in the world they happen to be and things can always be turned around and with the right people involved it's definitely feasible. At the only condition that the studios won't interfere too much. (English isn't my language)

@Robotrik1

Жыл бұрын

Except Gary was wrong, as Star Wars has had a number of diamonds in the past . I don't believe he watched any of the 8-9 years worth of animated series, nor has he read any SW books , making his knowledge of SW = that of the average cinema goer . SW also had poor or very much middle of the road movies -- so it has a very different hit/miss ratio than one that Gary knows about . TNG has a very different hit/miss history , and Picard cannot be corrected any more than Luke can after the Rian Johnson character assassination .

@GhostLink92

Жыл бұрын

All Star Wars has to do is lance off the boil that is the ST. Problem solved. Everything else in comparison is fine, even BoBF. Trek has a lot more work to do.

Q: “What must I do to convince you?” Worf: “Die.”

@davidwilliam9681

Жыл бұрын

What a great line, and what a great use of it here.

@thetinylebowski4147

Жыл бұрын

We need Worf's solution to the message the way he handles medieval lutes.

@piotrd.4850

Жыл бұрын

I still maintain that it was most Spartan and best delivered, vicious comeback in history of TV. Watching rest of cast trying to keep straight face was awesome.

@chemoboy-dannypheleps9234

Жыл бұрын

eat any good books lately

@sarahdebardeleben1536

Жыл бұрын

❤

I was expecting to see Janeway, at least one cameo.😢😢 But I cried like a baby when VOYAGER showed up. So many memories. I can understand how fans are really Involved in the shows, I remember the VOYAGER crew as old friends , I really miss them.

I just finished season three. I know it took awhile but holy cow, I loved this season. It was perfect. I love ST:TNG. This was the perfect end. Would love to see the adventures of the Enterprise G with 7 of 9.

Riker and Picard sitting around by a lake and burning pizza was the best part of season 1.

@dirkmasters7453

Жыл бұрын

No I feel it was terrible. They had Riker lose a child , why? No happy endings at all?

@ianallardyce4222

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It was the BEST part.

@sleepinggorilla

Жыл бұрын

That was the only episode I liked.

@davidm4566

Жыл бұрын

@@dirkmasters7453 You're both right. A terrible episode is still the best of that season. It was a very low bar after all.

@Impulset0

Жыл бұрын

I disagree. Fat retired pizza chef showing up commanding the largest fleet in star trek history was the best part. In that I hadnt laughed that hard in years

It's like an abusive relative saying sorry: until they show a willingness to seriously change, it doesn't matter.

@Daemonarch2k6

Жыл бұрын

There have to be at least 5 full very good seasons that i'm going to think about to step back in

@jimgoeddel5087

Жыл бұрын

@@Daemonarch2k6 Only five? I'll need 15 seasons to even consider watching any Star Trek. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

"Never come back" camp for life. Defeat is the best option here. I can always rewatch the old series, and that's great.

@BasicShapes

Жыл бұрын

Honestly the old series are so much better than even Picard season 3. S3 might be better than 1 and 2 but it doesn't hold a single flame to TNG and DS9.

I was almost done after Season 2; I couldn't believe what a drastic (and WELCOME) turn around Season 3 was. I never thought I could get emotionally invested into another Star Trek show the way I was here. They really need to continue this level of work on future project

I saw the first episode, and yeah it was pretty decent. I think Nerdrotic put it well: they haven’t reinvented the wheel, they just found it again.

@randomhuman97

Жыл бұрын

Nerdrotic? Oh that mom's basement dwelling rantman who hates on IPs for a living. Yup. Totally reliable source.

@MLAGG10N3

Жыл бұрын

You call that shit decent? 😅

@humankirk9196

Жыл бұрын

@The Cheap Normie as long as JarJar Abrams and Alex Kurtzman are still in charge -- which they are -- this show is dead and it does not matter how much lipstick they put on Star Trek's rotting carcass

@MsHojat

Жыл бұрын

Not really, because Picard is not TNG. Although I guess it could kind of be like Enterprise (I didn't see much of Enterprise, but I think it was vaguely like this kind-of sometimes)

@thebadtemperedbrit

Жыл бұрын

I'm still wondering how Gary's got to see the entire season, just saw Red Letter Media & even they have only seen ep1. Saw Az joking that Gary's part of the main stream media now lol.

I don’t think I’ve ever started watching a series by skipping the first two seasons, but Picard might be the first show where I do just that lol.

@Scripture-Man

Жыл бұрын

It's not really one series at all, it's two completely different shows which happen to share the same platform and title, but other than that it's a new show.

@EssentialComment

Жыл бұрын

Just thinking the very same

@donhawthorne8493

Жыл бұрын

Me, too!

Thank you Drinker - this review (and RLM) persuaded me that Picard S3 was that rarest of things - a recognition of the wrong path and an astute course correction. Didn't ever see that coming in 2023. This is my Trek and I watched the whole thing transfixed in 2 sittings. I've no idea what the idiots at CBS will do now the TNG story has been so well concluded but for a moment there, all good things returned. I'll even forgive Terry Matalas naming a planet after himself - he's so richly earned that right.

@sharpie3811

Жыл бұрын

The producers actually named that planet for him way back in Star Trek: Enterprise Season 4

@Rorschach.

Жыл бұрын

@@sharpie3811 Indeed they did. I discovered this not long after posting but thought I'd leave it as it is, as it's meant as a compliment. 👍

@electrictroy2010

Жыл бұрын

Enterprise Season 4 was a reboot of sorts. New show runner took over & had Archer say “No more time war or travel. Enough is enough!” .

@electrictroy2010

Жыл бұрын

But it was too later. UPN was already planning to cancel the show. It only got a 4th season, because Paramount needed 100 episodes for the rerun market.

This season feels like the TNG movie we always deserved

@JavaBum

Жыл бұрын

Amen. 🤘

@gottkomplex9211

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@alnu8355

6 ай бұрын

Better than Generations, Insurrection, and Nemessis. Not better than 1st Contact, but to be fair that's a REALLY good Star Trek movie.

@klein2042

6 ай бұрын

@@alnu8355 Oh yeah First Contact absolutely slaps. That’s probably why they used the First Contact theme for Picard S3

Unless everything from the rest of Kurtzman trek is retconned out of existence and Kurtzman is fired and humiliated then it doesn't matter how "good" this season is.

@01What10

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, the damage from the first two seasons is just too much for this to be worth a damn. Don't care about anything they do. Even if they improved everything, it is built on a foundation to total garbage.

@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm not touching anything from these people until I see some kind of apology. I'm not just going to forget about all the blatant attacks and all the stupid articles punching down at fans like they never happened.

@01What10

Жыл бұрын

@@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS Couldn't agree more. The damage is so deep and just unforgivable... There must be a monumental gesture of humility before I ever give these people my time ever again.

@kalashnikovdevil

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm not alone on flipping these assholes the bird.

Glad to hear about the upgraded writing, but I'm going to wait until Kurtzman and Bad Robot are not associated with the franchise before returning to it.

@Great_White_Shork

Жыл бұрын

That's the only way I'm coming back.

@kerravon4159

Жыл бұрын

Me too, Kurtzman is never getting a single penny of my money or time.

Just finished this season now. And it was FANTASTIC! THIS is what we want! I had everything, good story, likable characters, excitement, fan service, etc. I managed to get goose bumps several times. And even some tears. Been a long time since a TV moved me so much. I hope they continue down this road.

I don't care if they have a season that's the best star trek ever produced, I will never forgive any of them for what they did before.

@bigmediafan

Жыл бұрын

I felt the same. That being said I would actually describe this as a soft reboot of the series. Don't forgive, sure, but do yourself a favour and watch it. I was completely converted.

@GibDozer1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't think I can watch it. Since Discovery Star Trek has been on my blacklist. I'm a pretty big Trek fan, but I'd have to finish season 1 and watch season 2 to get to season 3. Somehow idt it would be worth it to me.

@Tvirus12

Жыл бұрын

@@GibDozer1 you really don't need to bother with picard season 2 for continuity. In season 3 Captain Shaw recaps it as 'that bullshit with the borg." he's not wrong

@bigmediafan

Жыл бұрын

@@GibDozer1 skip them all. Absolutely no need to watch any of it.

@hankmoulton436

Жыл бұрын

I was right there with you and other than this season alone the rest is hot garbage. This one though I think is a hail Mary and they are pulling out all the stops. It's a shame this is what season one should have been

Seven of Nine is straight. In Voyager Harry Kim puts subtle moves on Seven. It backfires spectacularly/hilariously when she asks if he's in love with her or only wants to "copulate"; she wants to copulate and commands: "Take off your clothes; don’t be alarmed I won’t hurt you". Harry freaks ending it (idiot). Seven later corners Harry, says "resistance is futile", pushes him to the wall kissing him. Seven and Chakotay fall in love; we see Seven as vulnerable, feminine, when she's in love with a man. Seven ends it upon learning in a likely future she dies and grief-stricken Chakotay kills himself. Even when Seven was fully part of the Borg Collective she was straight. Seven discovers in "Unimatrix Zero" she used to be able to visit Unimatrix Zero, which the Borg Queen could not control, and that she was in love with a man there, Axum, but was forced to forget him. Axum makes contact with Seven when she is on Voyager so she can help him and all those in Unimatrix Zero secretly resisting the Borg; the arc ends with Unimatrix Zero under attack meaning Seven will be separated from her love Axum again; Seven vows to do everything in her power to be reunited with Axum, her lover, who is a man. Seven is only gay now because Kurtzman and Goldman pushed an agenda and made her gay. It makes no sense, but why should that matter? (Do I really care if a character is Gay? No. I have no problem at all with Gay or Bi characters. I only care because what they did to Seven made no sense and because none of it was earned, meaning they messed-up one of Star Trek's most beloved characters. If any think this is just my thing, think again; Look at the interviews of Jeri Ryan where she talks about how she totally freaked out when she got the scripts for Picard S1 because nothing of the original Seven remained. Seven had become so unrecognizable that Ryan said she totally panicked because she had no idea how to even begin to play the retconned character).

@ReasonablySkeptic

Жыл бұрын

True, and until they remove all the toxic vile they've pushed on the "reboot" it's not worth watching.

@boba6890

Жыл бұрын

This is the dialogue from the end of Unamatrix Zero, where despite Unamatrix Zero being destroyed Seven runs into her alcove to try to be with Axum even if it means her death. (Seven appears in Unamatrix Zero as it is almost entirely destroyed). AXUM: "You shouldn't be here." SEVEN: "Neither should you." (They hug.) SEVEN: "I've wasted our time together." AXUM: "No, you didn't. It gave us a chance to fall in love again." SEVEN: (Frantically): "We've lost our only way to be together!" AXUM: "No. I'll find you." SEVEN: (Voice trembling): "Axum!" AXUM: "I'll find you." (Axum disappears, then Seven wakes up, her eyes are damp). Remind you of anything? "This is true love... you think this happens every day?" "(We) are joined by the bond of love and you cannot track that, not with a thousand bloodhounds, and you cannot break it, not with a thousand swords." The Princess Bride. Did Kurtzman and Goldman not watch Voyager, and if they did, how could they possibly even pretend that Seven is gay?

@gamingweasel4633

Жыл бұрын

@@ReasonablySkeptic I'm not going to whine about it, if I can see Jeri Ryan making out with another woman. Just saying...

@hulking_presence

Жыл бұрын

Kurtzman and Goldman you say...

@VernCrisler

Жыл бұрын

That death of Seven of Nine, and Chakotay's subsequent heartbreak, only occur if the original mission continued on for several years. Future Janeway, however, in cooperation with Present Janeway, stopped that future. So, there was no reason for Chakotay and Seven not to get married. Turning Seven into a lesbian is just more in-your-face wokeness by the spawn of Satan who infest Hollywood, not the natural development of her character arc.

As a fun side note, my wife is a dramatic liberal, but also a deeply closeted conservative. I've started using the phrase "THE MESSAGE" in casual conversation, in much the same way that you do. And lo and behold, she has started using it unironically herself. Marriage really is better when trolling is there.

@thereare4lights137

Жыл бұрын

I do the same with my son. Everytime we watch something with gross amounts of virtue signaling, I call it "The Message", lol.

@moritz6241

Жыл бұрын

Made up Story + loser

@cantdance3077

Жыл бұрын

You are my hero

@barnabusdoyle4930

Жыл бұрын

Being a progressive person myself, I despise “The Message” and everything surrounding it. The censorship of people who’s ideas conflict with your own and the idea that you can’t do something simply because it may offend some other person is insanity. Covid was a great example of this and showed how the push to follow the narrative was simply people wanting to control the lives of other, in the same way that people who push for abortion bans do

@rickyrayrosenberg420

Жыл бұрын

It's hard to not see the message at this point I feel like the weird socialists have got a megaphone on every kind of media and they're screaming into it constantly demanding people do whatever weird shit they think of today

Season 3 was the only season of Picard I watched. It' s almost perfect .

@DerUnglaublicheFrank

Жыл бұрын

Perfect garbage

@pr-tj5by

Жыл бұрын

@@DerUnglaublicheFrank Clueless.....

@zoso1980

9 ай бұрын

@@pr-tj5by Defending nostalgia bait and memberberries is a bad look. Just sayin'. S3 was a joke, written for nostalgia feels with no future. Living on the fumes of good will from decades ago. Utter dreck.

@pr-tj5by

9 ай бұрын

@@zoso1980 I'm glad I wasn't wasting my time like you were then

@zoso1980

9 ай бұрын

​@@pr-tj5by There's always a place for those with low standards that just want a nostalgia romp, I suppose.

Nah, gave it a try. Was out when I saw Beverly reloading her phaser rifle like a pump action shotgun (?????) and then (NERD ALERT!) the enemy ship docked with her ship gets left behind when hers goes to warp, (EXTREME NERD ALERT!!!)when it would have been inside the warp bubble (ffs I'm a grown man) so would have stayed docked and gone with Beverlys ship. Almost as bad as season 3 of Discovery.

People have become like battered wives. You get abused repeatedly by the shit show and then the moment the abuser shows you some kindness you think everything has changed. Until the people writing, directing, and producing the show have been totally replaced nothing will truly change.

@kalashnikovdevil

Жыл бұрын

Yeah weird how many people are so excited to run right back after 'he' promises not to hit you anymore this time. Honest!

@charlesjmouse

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@thewilhelmscream7912

Жыл бұрын

It's an interesting dichotomy that we face, we can watch stuff that ultimately is bad and causes damage to the memory of things we've enjoyed, yet we still hope for things connected to those good memories, you made a very good analogy, and just like people abused, you can understand why they do it, even if in your own opinion it's crazy, and it is, people do crazy things for love, even if it's only a memory of that love...but I like me some lazers, so I'll maybe watch it if I can for free at a library or something, I'm not paying for propaganda if I can help it.

@ronsargeant8371

Жыл бұрын

It has a second level. Other things that we wouldn't have considered attractive now become watchable purely on the lack of messaging. It's like swapping a violent husband for one who is a stoner slacker - "at least he doesn't hit me!". It's upped my viewing of Korean output ( I liked it before), they don't do woke shit.

@mattsmith1859

Жыл бұрын

Wow... that's an idiotic way to look at things.

If anything, all the praise I've seen this season get makes it a bit sad to think about how the entire show could have had this level of quality from the start.

@Scripture-Man

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. If Matalas had done 2 more seasons, the quality might not have held up. He got 1 season and he's packed all his best ideas into it, so let's just enjoy this for what it is - 10 new Star Trek episodes, the first in 20 years.

@tonya3916

Жыл бұрын

@@Scripture-Man He got 2 seasons actually

@UltraMAGAKing2024

Жыл бұрын

SAME

@auturgicflosculator2183

Жыл бұрын

How good were the first two seasons of TNG?

@prakharkirtijajoria5314

Жыл бұрын

@@Scripture-Man we got strange new world's, which was pretty awesome imo

I'm really glad I watched this review because I had no intention of watching season 3. Episodes range from decent to absolutely fantastic. And Michael Dorn was so deapan hilarious, I dont know how the cast made it through some of those scenes without busting up laughing. Just great stuff. Frakes especially was a joy to watch again... great stuff. A number of things to criticise, but the overall effort is so enjoyable and such a huge improvement over its predecessors that I don’t have the heart to complain. It's worth a watch for sure.

Nice to hear the writers for Star Trek may have found their voice again... but there is no way I'm going to sit through two seasons of Picard, The Rainbow Chronicles, to watch season three.

@DmNixegramThecriticaldrinker11

Жыл бұрын

Contact me for your Reward 🎁🎁👆👆👆.

@roboguy75

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know you don’t have to have seen the first two.

@SapperUSMC

Жыл бұрын

@roboguy75 not gonna risk it 😒

@goldenguy3000

Жыл бұрын

The 3rd season is like a whole different show. You really don't have to see the first 2 seasons. I would recommend season 3. Cheers.

@jadewolf1024

Жыл бұрын

Don't have to watch s1 and 2. All you need to know is the Picard android situation which you can Google.

I remembered the line Drinker used for season 1 “Sheer F#cking Hubris” & thought nope, not giving it a chance

@Uzarran

Жыл бұрын

You chose wisely.

@TheRocco96

Жыл бұрын

Picard and everything TNG is still being disrespected, but it's more subtle now. Like how the Galaxy class modelship doesn't sell because 'nobody wants the fat one", or captain Shaw being rude during the diner scene. Picard is made to look silly when he suggests to inform the engine room about traveling at warp 9.9, or when he doesn't know DS3 has been closed for a year.

So we are expected to forget and forgive 15 years of abuse just because one show wasn't as abusive? Nope - my Star Trek is dead, and Nu-Trek wasn't made for me. This +50 year fan accepts that. I've buried my fandom. RIP Star Trek.

@jackmesrel4933

Жыл бұрын

I would say this season is a fantastic work of taxidermi on a longtime rotted corpse. At first glance you could believe that it's almost alive, but at a closer inspection you can see the scars where the taxidermist had to sew the skin together again, if you touch it you feel the coldnese of the body and the artificial softness of the stuffing, and it's eyes had to be changed for crystal marbles. No matter how good of a job it is, a corpse is still a corpse, and while you can appreciate the job behind making it look as alive as possible, it's still dead.

@wanderingwaypoints9809

Жыл бұрын

Watch The Orville

@bassandtrebleclef

Жыл бұрын

@@wanderingwaypoints9809 Orville is closer in quality and idea to st.

@spilchsaysstuff1427

Жыл бұрын

@Wandering Waypoints Orville is like that student that takes what their Professor has taught them, and did what Einstein said after someone said he was better than Newton. They stood on someone else's shoulders, and saw further. New Trek mocks old Trek and punches them in the shoulder.

@humankirk9196

Жыл бұрын

@@bassandtrebleclef Orville at best is a parody. A better one than Lower Decks but still a parody. When they think they can do serious instead of parody, it rather falls flat. If you know TOS there aren't really many original episode ideas in The Orville

Thanks again for this write-up, Drinker. However, as well as not having any of the streaming services this show is available on, as a guy who watched TNG & DS9 in adolescence and later i just can't get into _new Trek_ , I mean the whole thing is bent, like WTF Picard a 'bot and all in the style of the "Kelvin Universe". I suppose Picard season 3 could be seen as an extended movie or something... anyway it will be a long time until I'll see it, if ever, which is a pity as it would've been cool to see more of these characters of old.

@basementbrotherscollectibles

Жыл бұрын

P3 is a Star Trek fan’s attempt to give a wounded fandom something to enjoy in spite of what Kurtzmann’s SS from Bad Reboot did to Trek. The guy who made P3 understands what happened previously and tried to make the best of a no-win scenario. Very “Trek” if you think about it. 🖖🏼

@seabuck4

Жыл бұрын

I'm trying desperately to find a single thing about this show and season that doesn't make me want to cry in agony, seeing my once beloved childhood friends trotted out as ancient old folks to recite lines and play roles that appear to have been written by 5-year olds

Season 3 is actually really good. I really enjoyed the antagonist and I found myself trying to watch as much as possible as quick as possible.

Here's the thing: Let's say this is good. What is preventing Kurtzman, Chabon, and Goldsman from using this as a pretense to come back and giving us more bad Trek? I know that the 5 year contract extension Kurtzman got last year was supposed to have his power removed, but if Shari Redstone was foolish enough to give him that extension in the first place, why should I think that she wouldn't give him his power back? Sorry, but unless unless Kurtzman is gone for good, there is no coming back.

@4203105

Жыл бұрын

Hollywood is a game of failing upwards. You have to fail really hard to even get sidelined and get your power striped with a face saving contact like this. There is usually no way back from that. So I'd say he's well and truly out. That being said, I'll be weary of any new star trek show for years to come.

@rhedosaurus2251

Жыл бұрын

@@4203105 But what's the point of renewing the contract while taking away direct power at the same time? It would have made far more sense to just let it expire and start off where DS9 or Voyager ended instead. Not only that, but even somebody who's had direct power taken away can still wield considerable influence. And Kurtzman's right hand man, Chabon can simply take power for himself as well and sideline Kurtzman too.

I wish "drag show at a kindergarten" was still some ridiculously unthinkable comparison.

@notusedexer

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Democrats have turned into Darth Vader.

@simondaniel4028

Жыл бұрын

It is.

@georgevanhoose6333

Жыл бұрын

@@simondaniel4028 It might be ridiculous but it's not unthinkable anymore.

@spiritsplice

Жыл бұрын

@@notusedexer more like (((democrats)))

Just finished episode 4 of series 3. Awesome return to form, despite Picard emulating a tortoise that’s lost its shell

@hongpingmike

11 ай бұрын

he's 80.

I finally got around to it, because I never wanted to lose Next Generation it was too important to me so I put it off, but that was incredible. I really missed these characters and it felt like they were back. I loved it.

shocking.. would never have expected this show to get any better also, I hate how the lighting is sooooo dark ... i loved how much light there was in TNG

@lostalone9320

Жыл бұрын

Part of the Federation aesthetic is that everything is lit like an Apple advert. Even in DS9, where it is a bit less, Federation stuff is clean and well lit and looks all business. Changing that is stupid. It looks like they are on ships stolen from another speicies.

@amezzeray2

Жыл бұрын

you know, when the Kelvin movies came out... my biggest gripe? Lack of carpets. Same with Discovery. I like my TNG-era carpets. And now I can add lighting to list. I've kinda gotten used to both now, but still

@purefoldnz3070

Жыл бұрын

its not any better though.

@nonyadamnbusiness9887

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It's the nihilism that pervades modern America. It's everywhere. Do they have Fresh Market grocery stores where you live? I call it the shop in the dark grocery.

@BlazingOwnager

Жыл бұрын

@@lostalone9320 It's an interesting dilemma. DS9 looks far, far better than any of the other Trek shows of that era precisely because the Cardassian stuff allowed for more cinematic lighting and shadow.

It’s too little, too late. To each their own, though.

I had a tear in my eye at the end of the season everything a fan of star trek wants

@spartybrearly7221

11 ай бұрын

Didn’t get everything I wanted e.g. Jeri Ryan in her brown catsuit, Jem ha’dar or Kazon. Also disappear we didn’t get a cameo from Robert Picardo as the EMH.

@supreme3376

7 күн бұрын

WWhat the Starwars fans never will had

Just finished 10. Yup. Its good. Really good. And swords are fun.

To think we could have had Han and Luke done in a similar way

@shovelollipopincatassandsell

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that can happen plus harrison Ford dont care about solo that much

check out "into the night" it's a masterpiece about a plane that has to fly around the world as the sun has exploded and raining radiation on earth, killing everyone - but the plane must land for fuel and food and water for the people on board.

@joseywales7463

Жыл бұрын

Snowpiercer in the air.

@Hushey

Жыл бұрын

@@joseywales7463 youd think but its different

In addition to everything else, I think I speak for damn near everyone when I say that the people behind this show have my undying gratitude for Hangar Bay 12. When that silhouette first loomed out of the darkness, I actually cried. Hearing the theme swelling in the background as the spotlights revealed that ship code... It honestly broke me in such a perfect way.

I am thrilled. Decided to pause this video and catch up on season 3. Getting through the first season was a real slog, and I had given up on the show never bothering to tune in to season 2. But when you said there was a massive course correction and the show was good now I had to give it a shot. I love it! This is what the show should have been from the beginning.

@DerUnglaublicheFrank

Жыл бұрын

The show is not good. Nor is it good Star Trek. CD has no idea what he is talking about.

@sharpie3811

Жыл бұрын

@@DerUnglaublicheFrank You have no idea what you’re talking about, I loved it. Nostalgia glasses, maybe?

Unless they are prepared to undo those other 2 seasons zero interest.... That's a major and serious stumbling block to me..... And therein lays the problem. Having suffered 100% shit since 2009 I've simply had enough... Too little way too late.... Also all the problems and issues are still there and glossed over... But they won't go away especially with what was done to Picard..... That was unforgivable......

@LeArtisan

Жыл бұрын

I hear yah, but even in the first episode they are trying to bury that shit pronto, worth your time imo.

@iAnasazi

Жыл бұрын

@@LeArtisanInsane if true (since both seasons were produced at the same time).

@rogershore3128

Жыл бұрын

@@LeArtisan Sorry nothing can undo the damage done to the characters and the garbage dished out over the past few years..... Totally unforgivable....

For me it’s too little too late but that’s true of most “entertainment” since around 2010. While I’ve watched portions of some “entertainment” I’ve rarely been able to endure a whole movie or episode of anything made since that year and we all know we had plenty of “spare time” three years ago. On the upside I’ve rediscovered a love of creating my own adventures in wilderness areas and that’s satisfying in a way I’ve never had from any other “entertainment”; and out there nobody really cares where you urinate as long as it’s not on the campfire they’re using so drink up.

As a fellow Whisky drinker - I am not surprised you came back for yet another series Sir. I just watched a TNG episode today while drinking and eating dinner - finished that and was looking for something to watch while driking my daily glass of whiskey and I found you. I gave up on new Star Trek sometime last year while drunk on whisky...

Good review Drinker, but I like to leave TNG in past and remember it for the show it was and not what it is trying to be now.

There is no way back for me. Sadly previous seasons did happen and I cannot simply wipe them from my mind - nor the fact Picard died and some kind of android replica is the main star now. But for all who still are able to enjoy the show - I'm happy for you.

@woodrunner51

Жыл бұрын

same, but also looking back at it (major grin channel), it became a sort of comedy, like how far can they take it xD

@shawncarter7188

Жыл бұрын

I'm sadly not happy for people who are enjoying it. The reason is selfish. Kurtzman is STILL Executive Producer. Goldsman is still involved too. This nonsense about a new showrunner is BS. Until they're gone, I will not support it. And if this succeeds they're going to still be there

@seventy18

Жыл бұрын

@@shawncarter7188 Jews

@HamiltonStIves

Жыл бұрын

AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.

@tnl-warrior3218

Жыл бұрын

he aint a robot tho

Too little too late but let's be real Alex Kurtzman should never have had control over this series in the first place.

I really enjoy season 3. I even called my mom to chat about it for almost 45 mins. We use to watch TNG together when i was a kid.

Battered spouses everywhere love season 3 of Picard. See? He's good to me sometimes.

@swhorne

Жыл бұрын

they’re just that way 😂😂😂😂

@klein2042

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know man, between this and Strange New Worlds it feels like we’re moving in the right direction

@leonie7754

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Picard s1 and 2 are still rubbish. S3 feels more like TNG: S8. I don't think they will recapture that magic in the future, but what was made genuinely made me happy. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good and gave me a lot of feels I didn't think Trek could do any more.

No, I will not be giving the gaslighting abuser "a chance." This is not Star Trek.

Still baffled over how Annika is a Commander and First Officer here when, as of last season, she had never even attended Starfleet Academy.

@4203105

Жыл бұрын

Janeway is an admiral and unlike Picard still in active service. So I can fankwank this as her pulling strings to have 7s years of service on voyager to be considered.

@shaggyalonso

Жыл бұрын

@@4203105 Thank you for introducing me to the term 'fan wank'. Genuinely, it's a very helpful description of something I see all the time from neckbeards coping about why the writing in a show doesn't make sense.

@israelcontreras5332

Жыл бұрын

Yup…but im sure people will defend it just like they defended kirk and spock commanding a ship out of the academy in jj trek.

@neil3202

Жыл бұрын

Field comissions are a thing, both in Star Trek and real world militaries. Wesley Crusher, Nog, and Tom Paris all received field comissions despite not attending or finishing the academy. Given her experience and capabilities (and a close personal relationship with a flag officer), a field comission to Commander is perfectly reasonable for Seven.

@oldtwinsna8347

Жыл бұрын

Direct commissions are possible. They are only given to uniquely qualified individuals.

The only reason why I watched Event Horizon a few years ago was because Drinker keeps bringing it up, and I had never heard of it. I had no idea what I was getting into though, lol.

This is great to hear this season is good! My problem is do I sit through two terrible seasons for this good one? Especially since I'm one who grew up on watching Voyager, and just hearing what happened to Icheb in season 1 made me sick and vow to not watch it, so I can just pretend it never happens.

@asiansarecool3857

Жыл бұрын

I'm wondering the same thing

@haveanotherpinacolada

Жыл бұрын

Don't watch it. Problem solved.

@finalmidnight

Жыл бұрын

I am a giant fan of Voyager! I love how inconsistent Janeway was, as a character. My favorite part was one of the times she committed genocide without regret or remorse! Which Holodeck episode was your favorite?

@thatoneguychad420

Жыл бұрын

Lol wtf

@jacobkronlage1087

Жыл бұрын

@@finalmidnight Every single one of them was excellent so that's a tough choice, but the Fair Haven and Spirit Folk are top tier

Honestly that's great that they realized what a dumpster fire the first to seasons were and hired some competent and passionate writers(I'm guessing). But as much as I want us to win back our culture I have to say feel like a battered spouse who's partner quit drinking and seemingly cleaned up their act. I don't think I can forgive them nor do I think one good season of a show is enough for them to have proven themselves. I don't think I can do it and I'm ok with that. TNG was my favorite show during my later childhood years and I'll leave it at that.

@HamiltonStIves

Жыл бұрын

AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.

@eezaak21

Жыл бұрын

This perfectly sums up my relationship with Star Wars. "It will be different this time!" /smack

@mickk8519

Жыл бұрын

Well, I'm done with Star Trek, been done with them for quite a while now. I'll never forgive them, same with every other show I once loved that they've destroyed. I'll never go back, I'll never forgive them, and they'll never earn a penny from me.

@bartsullivan4866

Жыл бұрын

Kind of like a reformed felon who is now a Born Again Christian. Uh sorry for all the hurt I did, stuff I stole, trama I caused, we're all good now right. Reminds me of Brother Where Art Thou where they get baptized and all there sins are forgiven but the State of Mississippi might think differently. I would rather remember the old TNG show how it was I don't have the time to try out this new show.

@TheFailedmessiah

Жыл бұрын

It’s too late…

As much as the writing was better in episode 1, there is one thing that I can't get over....Why are all the lights off! I have no idea what the bridge of their ship looks like because, for some reason, all these people work in the dark.

Жыл бұрын

"Darker and grittier"

@trolleriffic

Жыл бұрын

Space electricity is really expensive and they've got one of those meters you have to put money in. Picard's sick of never having any change because he's fed it into the meter so he makes them keep the lights off.

@danieldickson8591

Жыл бұрын

@ A whole generation was brainwashed into believing dark=cool. But TNG was always about bright hope and idealism. All darkness equals is not being able to see the damn show.

@kungfreddie

Жыл бұрын

It's cheaper to make the sets that way.. no lights and u can't see all the flaws.

@Stone7C1

Жыл бұрын

@@kungfreddie oof, thats so dumb.

I wasn't going to watch season 3 until your review. I'm on episode 4 now and I'm REALLY intrigued! The whole thing between the Captain of the ship they're on and Picard was awesome. The only thing that kinda threw me off (not logical) was that they had to shut down all non essential services but they left the holodeck on? Anyways, so far so good. Loving this show. And those references that you said were fan service... maybe they were but for me they were great! I mean c'mon, the reference to "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" was fantastical!

I discovered your channel with a Star Trek review. Your passion and care for the show was evident. You sounded hurt at how bad Star Trek had become. So your review is eminently believable and impossible to ignore for someone like me who grew up on TNG and DS9 and was saddened at how bad it had become.

Love to hear the story of how Drinker got an advanced copy

@dominantprime

Жыл бұрын

He talked about it in Open Bar #38, he just contacted Terry Matalas and was given the show to review.

@shaggyalonso

Жыл бұрын

@@dominantprime Why did he do that after vowing not to review any more nu-trek?

@dominantprime

Жыл бұрын

@@shaggyalonso because other people who hate nu-trek said Picard S3 is good.

@IRMentat

Жыл бұрын

same as a bunch of others, outreach by desperate creators who spotted the frequent set of people online dismissing their shit writing the loudest. They are professions running media-coverage channels, occasionally companies are looking for a bit of "free" publicity (or are trying to get back an audience they now realise they can't wantonly abuse indefinitely because the maniacs they were pandering to don't pay for TV subscriptions)

@JustaGuy_Gaming

Жыл бұрын

Gotta be honest, not a fan. I mean I trust the Drinker to be honest for the most part. But a ton of channels start small, get a following about being honest and then sell out later on as the channel grows. Usually it's around the 1 million sub range, tons of Game Critic channels died around there.

It is really hard to "forgive and forget" after 14+ years of disappointment. This is the most hope that I have had for the series in a long time, but I can't ignore the fact that the principal players (Bad Robot) and setting (the "Kelvin Timeline") are the same. This new season reminds me of a four tier wedding cake made out of scat. On one hand, it's an impressive technical achievement but on the other... You can't ignore the rotten core hidden underneath all that icing and presentation. At this point, I think nothing less than a total reboot of the entire franchise (like what they did in the 2009 movie but with actual talent and skill this time around) will get me to come back.

@muxx2810

Жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong, I think all of new trek is complete garbage, but literally none of it takes place in the kelvin timeline except for the movies.

@jrus690

Жыл бұрын

We do not need a reboot, we need something like a professional level Orville. A show with a different name and so avoids confusion on the timeline mess. You cannot fix the Star Trek timeline the way it is.

@deanfirnatine7814

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind if they make a genuine effort to do what we wanted and we still tell them to eff off the likelihood that they AND others in Hollywood will change course is next to zero, when a dog finally sits after 50 attempts you do NOT swat him on the nose, you reward him if you ever expect to get that behavior consistently.

@Ma55ey

Жыл бұрын

The thing for me as a star trek fan is all I want is a good show to watch.. I'm not here to wage an ideological war with Hollywood.. I'll watch what I like and ignore what I don't.. I've ignored star trek for the past few years.. preferring to re watch tng through to voyager.. but if I'm honest i don't want to be watching repeats that are 40 years old.. I'm not going to pretend like this show is a return to classic trek.. but it was good enough for me to enjoy it.. and want to watch another episode... and that's more than discovery, the earlier seasons of picard and strange new worlds did.. its a low bar indeed... but at least there is a bar now..

@Miluielle

Жыл бұрын

@@deanfirnatine7814 Hollywood is not a dog, nor a human it's a corporate entity/industry. It is not owed a reward for making a supposed u-turn. If it is genuine effort then those involved should keep on without a reward - pride in a job well done has kept many a creative going without monetary compensation or praise. Let their work speak for themselves and garner in those who they haven't already been angered, offended or alienated.

I waited to watch this until I’d finished the show. Absolutely perfect review. I thought I’d outgrown star trek… then suddenly I was 13 again actually engaged (excuse the pun) and fully invested in the futility and powerlessness of the characters. The new crew might even work if they keep writing like this ♥️

Brilliant review and totally spot on. I thought season 1 was terrible. Watched season 2 thinking "oh dear, but improving" and really only watched season 3 because I had nothing else to watch. But wow!!! Real honest Star Trek that stands alongside the original cast movies and all. Didn't expect that. Loved it. Yes, we csn find holes in the scripts, but honestly... do we want to? Woke went home, Star Trek came back. Brilliant. More please....

I'm still hoping Ronald Moore and/or Brannon Braga might return one day if only as guest writers/directors. There's a whole ST brain trust that's out there. Even Seth MacFarlane if he ever decides to conclude the Orville.

@lostalone9320

Жыл бұрын

Man, The Orville is really damn good, and it shows how much difference it makes to have someone who clearly loves the source material. Whatever you think of Seth MacFarlane, he set out to make his own tribute to Star Trek and knocked it out of the park.

@kamranahmed5366

Жыл бұрын

Both of these guys were pilloried endlessly by Trek fans back in the 90s, some of that criticism was well deserved. They're nowhere near as bad as Kurtzman but I'd be content with never seeing either of them involved in Trek again.

@LordOfDaCyborgMOOSE

Жыл бұрын

@@kamranahmed5366 true, but they've probably honed and matured their skill and style since then. Especially Moore, for his work on Battlestar Galactica and For All Mankind. But who knows if they'd return if they were asked to?

@cympimpin20

Жыл бұрын

This. After Picard, let Matalas go back to what we know works. 20-26 episode seasons of episodic TV dealing with a post TNG/VOY/DS9 crew of a Federation starship dealing with interesting scientific conundrums and ethical dilemmas with about 15% action/mystery thrown in. Do a healthy amount of bottle episodes to save budget. Get a few guest roles in the first season or two from Kira, Jake Sisko, Tom Paris, hell even Picard himself. It's been two decades since we've had that kind of Trek. There's an entire generation that's never experienced that kind of Trek. They've only gotten a parody version in The Orville.

@cympimpin20

Жыл бұрын

@@kamranahmed5366 Stick to the devil you know.

I could've watched Riker and Picard catching up on old times at the bar for a whole season. Great stuff.

I'm one of those who has given up on not only Star Trek, not only the other franchises that have already been ruined, but any future franchise that modern Hollywood decides to reboot/remake/continue. But that was a pretty glowing recommendation, and TNG *is* my favorite TV show of all time, pretty much. So I'll probably try to check out season 3. If I can do it at some point without giving Paramaount a sub. Maybe wait for it on video.

LOL so true what you say about the lovey-dovey "we are all one big family" way both Discovery and Strange New Worlds treats the crew of starships. :) And as for the show, I did not hate the previous seasons, but it clearly shows that Matalas is actually trying to continue the TNG continuity here.

Doomcock warned us against this. Don't be fooled into giving them you loyalty. I'll wait until they have a history of good seasons before I watch anything Star Trek

I've only watched the first couple, but two things were very clear: (1) This is the best Star Trek show for years, and (2) Jeri Ryan is an absolutely babe, even in her fifties!

@nonapejase

Жыл бұрын

Why is it so suprising that a woman in her fifties could be a babe?

@sleepalaska

Жыл бұрын

her and Marissa Tomei are ageless

Thanks for this drinker! Avoided first two seasons largely on your recommendation, so think I’ll give this a go and check anything confusing online from the first two. Edited for spelling.

For some reason i think the Drinker enjoyed Season 3 more than I do. It was emotinal to see the old cast for sure, the story was just ok, some of it didn't make sense but that's something I'm used to. Of course it's absolute gold if compared to the shitshow of seasons 1 and 2. Overall I think that Strange New Worlds is a better product, and it stands on its feet without the need to resort to an old and loved cast.

It’s too little too late. I love a good redemption story but the time for a second chance has long since passed for Star Trek. We as the CUSTOMERS are not obligated to support franchises and companies that have spat in our faces in the past. We can give credit where it’s due when they do right but don’t expect us to show up after a pattern of bad behavior.

@elenabob4953

Жыл бұрын

Next generations started being interesting in the third season so it is not like we aren't used to it but it was the first time when in the first two seasons they assassinated us with wokeness and a bleak future.

@HaleFire7

Жыл бұрын

This is so fucking juvenile. NuTrek has been awful, yes. And your position is that no matter how good, no matter how close it resembles good Trek, the franchise is dead. It's not EVER redeemable? Even if we reincarnated Roddenberry himself, it's best if we just let the franchise burn. Too little, too late after all. "We can give credit where it's due" and "don't expect us to show up after a pattern of bad behavior" are two statements that literally cannot both be true. You folks have been fighting the wokeness for so long you've become a mirror of the same evil, toxic thing you fight. You've completely lost sight of the big picture here. Your thought process ENSURES NuTrek continues and guarantees that good Trek will never be seen again. Personally, I think it's shameful to throw your hands up and quit like that.

@NathanCassidy721

Жыл бұрын

@@elenabob4953 Stop making excuses for crappy TV. There’s a vast Grand Canyon difference between a good show that understands it’s identity by the third season and a shitshow that should have been canceled before then. Picard and Next Generation are not the same thing.

@StarshipYorktown

20 күн бұрын

I hope after a year you had a chance to check out season 3 of Picard. To me, it is really season 8 of TNG. I had lost all hope, but damn if it wasn't great. It helps that the new show-runner cut his teeth working on Star Trek: Enterprise and was an actual fan of TNG.

@NathanCassidy721

20 күн бұрын

@@StarshipYorktown Apathy has long since kicked in. And I stand by my statement. And considering Kurtzman is still there making garbage decisions and STD had its season finale with NO fanfare, I’d say Picard Season 3 isn’t really worth rewarding with a view.

That is why I like the Drinker. He is not just complaining, but also honestly admit that something is good. Even after years of tourture by New Trek. ;)

First episode felt like a a breath of fresh air, washing out the bad from seasons 1 and 2 in one go. I really enjoyed it and it does feel like "Top Gun: Maverick" but for Star Trek.

If it succeeds... and that's a big IF, then we should openly praise it and ask for more like it. But at the same time we still need to come down hard on the previous seasons. They won't learn from just positivity.

@tsdobbi

Жыл бұрын

Thats more or less what another reviewer of season 3 I read said. They were convinced after seeing it season 3 of Picard, it will be a hit with fans and that paramount needs to learn from this.

@alexistaylor969

Жыл бұрын

Nope fuck it, it is dead to me, if they do not openly insult the previous two seasons and "the message" and declare it not canon then they can shove a cactus up their ass. Spoke with my wallet by dropping it, doing anything else will not keep the same message, we should not compromise on woke preaching bullshit.

@sterling7

Жыл бұрын

I'm cautiously looking forward to seeing it myself. But I'm concerned that those behind the scenes don't actually see this as "the path forward". More like paying off a few of the more egregious bills to rebuild a little credit before going on another spending spree.

@DarthVader-1701

Жыл бұрын

It ain't praising shit, this isn't Star Trek and it should be flushed like the Captain D's I had yesterday.

@HamiltonStIves

Жыл бұрын

AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.

Not gonna lie, I like the dark bridge even when crewed, to me, a former sailor, we always kept major spaces that served as operations or navigation rooms darkened, lit only by blue or red lights to reduce eye strain, glare on screens, and limit any light leakage out of the ship to not give anything excess away, and there's plenty of other reasons. But I'm not sure if that's why they did it, but to me it feels more natural, but again, thats just me

@daveyjones7391

Жыл бұрын

That's a really cool insight. Thanks for that and your service (cliche as that likely sounds). I think, though, that in the darkness of space with close stars as background, the need to conceal a light signature wouldn't be a clear and present priority. Just my thought.

@spazman8675309

Жыл бұрын

@@daveyjones7391 thank you, and yeah I could see that but that also sparked the thought, we already look to space to see if we see any "intentional" radiation signatures with dozens of satellites, so I could see a futuristic civilization like this to have sensors all over the ship monitoring for light or other radiation that would indicate a nearby civilized ship or planet? Just a thought though, would be really cool to see a sci-fi story include things like that

@daveyjones7391

Жыл бұрын

@@spazman8675309 I'll stipulate that advanced civilizations look for signatures of other sufficiently advanced civilizations. But I just think that on the scale of space travel, the low-level radiation emitted from a few-square-metre window wouldn't be the main giveaway; rather something like a warp signature, tachion radiation from wormhole creation/passage or transporter beam signatures would be the main focus. At any rate, thanks for your reply. 🍻

@atomicwrath5824

Жыл бұрын

Served 4 years in the Navy as a Quartermaster. (Navigation) Yeah, the bridge needs to be dark for those great reasons. If you think the bridge was dark, the Operations room was a Black Hole.

@chayophan3078

Жыл бұрын

@@atomicwrath5824 can't recall, let alone cite, the source, but I'm pretty sure I've read that the dim bridge and such are modelled upon comparable shipboard navy stations IRL. If absolute accuracy were the objective, I'd imagine that starships would probably be darker than depicted on Star Trek as external detection would rely entirely on automated sensors with audio readouts and little to no naked-eye optics involved. I envision all duty uniforms worn by starship crew including assorted embedded technologies that provide said crew with relevant status reports via personal, specialty-specific HUDs, further reducing the need for significant shipboard illumination. But, I've been told I lack even a basic imagination so wadda I know...

You know, 4 episodes Later, I'm starting to get the feeling that Drinker was fucking with us.

@BasicShapes

Жыл бұрын

Yeah no kidding. Either he sold the fuck out or he simply gave an overly positive review to help out friends on the inside. Either way, his take on S3 is hot garbage.

@jadewolf1024

Жыл бұрын

Could you develop that sentiment a bit? I'm finding it great!

@seabuck4

Жыл бұрын

OMG, thank GOD I'm not the only one!! My wife and I have been trying to get through it, and we can't make it more than about 15-30 min before nearly choking on my own puke. It feels NOTHING like Star Trek whatsoever. I'd be happy to develop a list of 150 examples of what I mean, but that would require far more of my time than this shitshow deserves

@mveytia

Жыл бұрын

I have a lot of nitpicks, but I thought the season has been decent. It's fanservicey for sure, but I'm not bored to tears like the first 2 seasons.

@seabuck4

Жыл бұрын

@@mveytia curious: were you a massive TNG or DS9 fan going back to when those shows were airing? I wouldn't be surprised to see a difference of opinion split between the old school hardcore fans and those who are a bit newer to Trek. Just a hypothesis though

Didn't watch the first 2 seasons and just watched season 3. Excellent and a great send off. That needs to be it though for Picard. However, I'd love to see more of Worf and bring back Martok in a separate limited series run about Klingons. With the other characters making cameos. Even a limited series run of DS9. But it must be done like Picard season 3. Even a series with the Enterprise G would be cool.

Even if this season is magnificent it won't change the fact that we still have Picard's first two seasons all of Discovery, Prodigy and Strange New Worlds woke garbage to remind us that we have a long way to go before the fans return.

@FlyingKipperEh

Жыл бұрын

Shareholders, studios and producers are starting to see that "Go woke, go broke" is real phenomenal. Hopefully, in coming years we will see less and less that.

@humankirk9196

Жыл бұрын

You forgot Lower Decks, which took a beautiful TNG concept and made utter sh!te out of it.

@thisisderricksilk

Жыл бұрын

@@humankirk9196 Never heard of it. Must've been since I haven't seen one advertisement.

@lordzed83

Жыл бұрын

oi Strange new worlds is not bad !!!

@BullGator-kd6ge

Жыл бұрын

I tapped out of Discovery immediately after Season 3 but I’d hardly call SNW or Prodigy “woke garbage”. Prodigy is a show for kids but also serves as the Voyager sequel we never got. I hope it gets the Clone Wars treatment as a show for kids that simultaneously fleshes out legacy characters. And I’d say SNW’s first season is probably the most consistent in terms of overall quality.

Great to hear that. I was watching the former Star Trek like Voyager, DS9 oder Next Generation recently. I found a very large difference to „modern“ Star Trek characters. The old ones are calm, experienced and reasonable when facing challenges and obstacles. Characters like Chekotay in Voyager were a real role model (calm, self-confident man, which don’t have to show their domination everytime) you harshly find in „modern times“. Sorry for the younger generation, they are truly missing something out.

@bjrnhalfhand2258

Жыл бұрын

Yes, the supposedly professional Starfleet officers constantly behaving like emotional teenagers is one of my major reasons for disliking nuTrek.

@bobdillon7832

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully, WOKE/"diversity" BS isnt paying off.

@boobah5643

Жыл бұрын

A bit of irony in that Chakotay wasn't a Starfleet officer; dude ran a terrorist cell that operated a starship.

@kalashnikovdevil

Жыл бұрын

@@boobah5643 Chakotay was a Starfleet officer before joining the Maquis.

@Stone7C1

Жыл бұрын

@@boobah5643 chakotay had the rank of commander in starfleet before he became a maquis. thats part of the reason why janeway made him first officer on the voyager. he had the qualifications, knew how a starfleet ship operates, and had the maquis trust which made it easier to integrate them into the crew. there were actually a bunch of starfleet officers in the maquis who either sympathized with them, had personal stakes because they had relatives in the colonies on the cardassian border, or who were disillusioned how from their perspective the federation abandoned the colonists that then fell under cardassian rule with the treaty. most of them left, but some of them even acted as agents for the maquis within the federation to recruit more members, or smuggle weapons and equipment to the colonies.

I couldn't quite believe it myself. Still don't! But I'm pretty happy they're starting to learn. That's a good sign, but it's just a sign!

I was one of those who vowed to never return, but 5 months later i gave season 3 a shot. As far as I am conserned Picard was a 1 season show with that one season being season 3. Pure fan service and utterly fantastic for it. Though it leaves me upset for what could have been... If only all this trek we had could have been of this quality.

I'm in the too little, too late crowd. I can't give them the viewing numbers on principal. They've had 14 years to make their material appealing to the majority of Star Trek fans. That should have been the starting point when they took over, not a desperate last roll of the dice move after failing to pull in the Game of Thrones crowd. It's still the dark, dreary, and contemporary spoken JarJar verse. Once that and Bad Re-boot are out, I'll consider new Star Trek material then.

@Eulerpi23

Жыл бұрын

I am with you!

@joseywales7463

Жыл бұрын

Don't give them the numbers. Sail the high seas.

@origami83

Жыл бұрын

I feel exactly the same way. Halfway during season 1 of STD i was out and never looked back. Still rewatching the older shows about once a year.

@AndrasMihalyi

Жыл бұрын

There are always ways to watch the series and not giving them viewing numbers. Har-har-har

Thanks dude. Still giving a pass on S1, and S2, so with your great review, I'll start here at 3. I started S1 and dropped it after a couple eps. lol Keep up the great work!

It is Terry Matalas work. You should give the 12 Monkeys TV show from him a chance if you have not yet. I loved it and you will see some similarities to Picard season 3 but also alot other nice side stories, characters and plot twists. If I haven't read that Terry Matalas took over for the latest Picard season I would probably have not watched it directly when it came out.

I was a fan of TOS, which I saw as reruns as a child in the 1970's; and TNG which I saw in it's original run in the 1990's. I never got into any of the other spinoffs (DS9, Voyager) and I've never seen any of the other Kurtzman Trek TV shows. I avoided Picard seasons 1 and 2 because I heard they were awful; but I am watching season 3 and loving it. This is the final season of TNG, 25 years later.

@gpcovenant

11 ай бұрын

I gave up on DS9 in its original run and came back to it years later. Watch DS9. It doesn’t have the highs of TOS or TNG but it doesn’t have the lows either. It’s the consistently best series that was made. Especially after Worf joins the show. If you like trek, it ultimately has a very worthy and unique place in the series. Voyager could have too if it had gone full serialization but it was a different time in TV.

Its been 7 years, I have nothing making me want to give it a chance