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@vinzingerakaelotakuakatheweebp

3 жыл бұрын

How many of you guys want to see the Drinker review Anime every Wedenesday and which anime do you want to see the Drinker review?

@x0re89

3 жыл бұрын

keep up your work man, one of the few honest people left here it seems.

@plantboi7746

3 жыл бұрын

I like the dragoon

@rjofusetsudzin8011

3 жыл бұрын

Drinker I think Hobbit is another great idea for production hell, what do you think?

@rjofusetsudzin8011

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinzingerakaelotakuakatheweebp Cowboy Bebop is perect type of anime for Drinker and he would have lot of fun with it. Fairy Tail on the other hand would be excellent choice for roasting something.

The only movie adaptation, where it's quicker to just read the book.

@fiercephoenix4389

3 жыл бұрын

More fun too

@ZapDash

3 жыл бұрын

Is it really? I wouldn't doubt it, but if this is a true fact then it is amazing.

@Awolfx

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZapDash I've read the Hobbit twice, and if anything it'll keep your interest more often than all 3 movies will combined.

@vivechjorviani5440

3 жыл бұрын

Audiobook is on KZread and actually is faster and better written

@politicallycorrectredskin796

3 жыл бұрын

Also the only book with talking purses and dog servants who walk on two legs. Silly as the movies were, they could have been even sillier.

Well, in Peter Jackson's defense, he didn't even want to direct those films, and fought for it to be one movie instead of a trilogy.

@violenceislife1987

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@tiaaaron3278

3 жыл бұрын

After 6 years and the extensive documentary by Lindsay Ellis, I can't believe there are some idiots who blame Jackson for this.

@NoobsofFredo

3 жыл бұрын

Aye, almost everything that people hate about the films can be laid solidly at the feet of the producers, and almost all of them were fought tooth and nail by Jackson.

@millcha

3 жыл бұрын

Guillermo De Toro is to blame because the fat oaf cant just stick to a project.. Most the dumb things thrown in were his doing, back when he was supposed to direct he thought of multiple movies .. I hope someone takes a book of all the movies GDT has abandoned and smacks him across the head with it

@user-microburst

3 жыл бұрын

Didn’t know that

The only disagreement I have is that Bilbo DOES have an Arc, in the beginning he is terrified of everything, by the end he is getting down in the melee, putting himself in huge amounts of danger in an attempt to save his friends. The line where he ALMOST confesses to Gandalf that he found the one ring, but then says "I found my courage" isn't really a lie, he DID find that through the adventure. Its like... The point of The Hobbit.

@sarov7658

Жыл бұрын

Dude actually seen ppl dying whirl it's full plot armor and no stacks for last two parts of lotr

@Hannah-fe4yf

Жыл бұрын

That’s true, he was afraid of everything to begin with, in the end he also became very afraid for and of Thorin as he became sick with greed, so he was willing to risk the anger of thorin in order to save him from destroying himself. An act of true friendship and care that really does mean something.

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

That's true. That's the whole point of the story to begin with. It's about "learing from your expériences" and "don't be too afraid of trying new things".

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

​@@Hannah-fe4yf Yeah I forgot about that part. And what you said is very true.

@FuuuckOffff

11 ай бұрын

The arc doesn't end in him resembling the character of Bilbo in LotR, however. He is like a totally different character and lacks the personality of the actual character of Bilbo: rebellious, hedonistic, cantankerous, mischevious, etc. Other than becoming brave, there's no real character transformation.

You'll need to revisit this, as we now know the Hobbit trilogy is now a work of art compared to Rings of powet

@technojack3719

9 ай бұрын

Isn't this sad? That we accept crap because there's something crappier? I for one would prefer quality, but that's just me.

@vaultboy4710

8 ай бұрын

​@@technojack3719It's a common occurrence. Halo 4 now gets similar treatment. Gets praise for simply not being as bad as halo 5. 😂

@jackjack3358

4 ай бұрын

@@technojack3719 Hobbit wasn't crap tbh

@your.dark.lord.

4 ай бұрын

Yep. 1 wasn't totally crap though, just needed some editing to take out the drivel..2 and 3 is where they dropped the ball. I only watch the 2 hour fanedit of the 3 films and it's waay better

@Nawona

3 ай бұрын

@@technojack3719 saw it again for the fifth or sixth time yesterday, and it is NOT crap. It is full of heart. Also , even the worse CG in it are miles above some of the stuff produced today in any Disney produced feature. And the best CG in it remains absolutely stellar today. The character animation of Azog is incredible, that character has so much expression, you can feel the hate. The entire scene in the Goblin cave has some fantastic character animation. The worse fx in the first movie has to be Radagast and his rabbits being chased by the Wargs, and yet it does not bother me like most of today’s MCU shit fx. Smaug was awesome. The introduction of Gollum was awesome. Tauriel is a great character and you feel for her when she mourns Kili at the end of the last movie. I could go on and on, this trilogy might not be LOTR, but it’s faithfull in spirit, and it’s worthy of it as a nice extension of the "Peter Jackson universe" imo. Like a cartoon version of it almost

“What inspired you to make the hobbit a trilogy instead of a stand alone film?” Warner brothers: “money.”

@shan4680

3 жыл бұрын

Three films that each grossed over $950 million just at the box office, I believe?

@rjofusetsudzin8011

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately thats true. Its even more funny when you realize that whole point of Hobbit is not to be greedy asshole.

@omarnavarro9690

3 жыл бұрын

I think two solid 2 1/2 hour movies would´ve worked

@rjofusetsudzin8011

3 жыл бұрын

@@omarnavarro9690 While I enjoyed the trilogy as whole I agree that third one was definetly prolonging battle too much.

@m.m.5448

3 жыл бұрын

...and it was super easy, barely an inconvenience....

“I feel thin, sort of stretched, like butter scraped over too much bread.” - the Hobbit.

@nullForce

3 жыл бұрын

☝The perfect quote for that movie!

@triton62674

3 жыл бұрын

Reading that line in the book was chilling, such an oddly specific take on the idea of immortality

@ballybunion9

3 жыл бұрын

Well done, David. 👍

@anthonygreen6219

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha haha perfection

@MalePifko

3 жыл бұрын

You got the second part wrong. It should be "..., like bread scraped over too much butter ".

I think The Hobbit Trilogy had the same problem as the Narnia movies. They took a book that was meant to be simplistic and a bit silly (because its for children) and tried to pad it out into an epic fantasy story like LOTR which is a much deeper, darker and more complex story for adults. In other words, they tried to make it something it was not.

@mrackelito1

Жыл бұрын

Batman managed to do it, maybe they thought they could too

@Sir_TophamHatt

Жыл бұрын

@@mrackelito1 batman didn’t adopt any preexisting material like a book, they took a basic concept and created a whole new story out of it for film. There’s really no comparison here. Also it’s not like there wasn’t a dark and gritty, more serious and adult version of batman in some of the comics before the dark knight etc. were made

@rjlchristie

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Jackson wanted to make both stories into splatter/monster action movies.

@lucidbarrier

Жыл бұрын

I really liked the first Narnia movie, I think it was really good. It did kind of follow the book too. I know I was disappointed that they stopped making them. I know other people who wanted to see more as well. The White Witch is a pretty dark character for a children's book. If you have ever read the Magician's Nephew, you know what an evil person she is. I think they did a good job balancing things out. The studio really ruined the Hobbit movies by making Jackson make three of them

@mtcelticharper

11 ай бұрын

Exactly.

The things you hated about the dwarfs is actually how theyre described in the book. Bombur, for example, was described as ridiculously fat. Same with the dragon. His motivation IS just gold hoarding in the book. He is an architype of people in power. I agree with you on most of your rants, Drinker, but not on this one.

@BoberFett

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, seems like some of his criticism is of the Tolkien story, as opposed to the movie itself.

@luismancerapascual4608

8 ай бұрын

They could have actually dig a bit deeper in the lore, and without much drifting make Smaug an agent for Sauron to conquest all the Northern part of Middle Earth. With the Nigromancer in the forest and the goblins in the mountains, Smaug destruction of the Dwarf Kingdom is instrumental to take control of that Northeast quadrant. And with Arthedain long gone, only Rivendel stood up against them at that moment. Put a bit of that into the story and, although not faithful to the letter ti the book, you have a much more compelling story that is strongly tied to the lore

@Alexandermeister

8 ай бұрын

That's why some books just don't make for good movies. They should have left the Hobbit alone.

@booperdee2

7 ай бұрын

i think the main problem is that the films are trying to be LoTR. You can have simply motivated antagonists which drive the protagonists in a certain way, to contrast and frame them rather than defining the antagonist. The simple concept of the dwarves being ruined by their greed personified as a dragon that results in losing it all, only for the dragon (greed) to then be defeated by the characters exhibiting the virtues contrary to that, Dont even need Smaug to even have any lines of dialogue.

@christophjohnson3777

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, dragons are just dragons. They dont need a reason to want to sleep on a pile of gold.

I remember chatting with my mate about this film and we were like "The Gollum scene was amazing" and "the scene with Bilbo and Smaug was great" and "the scene with the trolls was awesome" and then eventually we realized "so basically all the scenes that were actually IN the Fucking book were the best scenes???"

@soccerchamp0511

2 жыл бұрын

Yea, they literally could have (and should have) made just one movie with just those scenes from the book.

@JimmyC1994

2 жыл бұрын

@@soccerchamp0511 exactly. Two at an absolute push but three was just milking it unnecessarily

@Dookieman1975

2 жыл бұрын

@@JimmyC1994 a duo-logy of 2 hour movies would work way better than what they had to fill out, and this is coming from someone who likes the hobbit movies

@xymos7807

2 жыл бұрын

I saw Desolation of Smaug when it premiered at the movie theater I worked at. Saw it Midnight Release and I fell asleep about half way through the movie. It was so damn dry and long.

@JimmyC1994

2 жыл бұрын

@@xymos7807 I didn't even bother seeing Battle of the Five Armies

To Smaug's defense dragons of Middle Earth are canonicaly opsessed with gold. He doesn't need another motivation.

@darthdragonborn1552

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah there’s a few other points in this video like that one, where it’s just a criticism of the book. And him saying Smaug wasn’t menacing and charismatic is 1000% wrong. Him and Gollum were the few things they got right.

@dartimosthatsit6001

3 жыл бұрын

A lot that was described as filler had book basing. Gandalf exposing the witchking is one that comes to mind. Beating that with a stick while giving only passing mention to (minor character) dwarf on (made up character) elf action seems like reaching for high fruit when there was so much lower fruit.

@josephjackson4312

3 жыл бұрын

@Simp Zilla The thing i dont like about how they handled Smaug is how they had the archer just see its weakness from a distance, the missing scale. I feel using the invisibility with the ring to get up close to find that missing scale and then tell the archer about it is like Bilbo's biggest contribution to the entire story and they took that away from him.

@starkillersneed

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's possible to change and improve on a character's shallow motivation in an adaptation; just look at Thanos, a villain trying to donate half the Universe to Lady Death's OnlyFans, who was converted by the MCU into a complex anti-villain who comitted genocide because his radical Malthusian views made him believe he was doing the right thing. In Smaug's case, they could take a hint from the power and corruption theme of LoTR and explore the concept of greed in a nuanced way, perhaps by exploring what kind of hole was the dragon trying to fill in his life with all the gold he's hoarded. Or give it a different goal; after all, money is power.

@DarkSpells87

3 жыл бұрын

@@starkillersneed it's a dragon. He doesn't need complex background. He is greed incarnated based on Fafnir from Norse mythology. Why does todays audience require everything to be explained? Dragon hates dwarves and is obsessed by gold. We don't need to know if his mommy dragon was abusing him as a child or something. And we 500% don't need some political commentary or other things.

I actually really like the hobbit, especially as a kid. While lotr was darker, and raw, this feels more dreamy and light. It's a gateway for me to discover and love the whole lore

@timothygamble5565

6 ай бұрын

Agreed! Finally someone who’s not bashing these movies to bits

@kevinsmoon3257

5 ай бұрын

@@timothygamble5565honestly i think they get unfair hate. I dont think they are good but they’re definitely not bad. I would use the term messy but given all the background bs jackson and company dealt with we got decent movies given the circumstances

@You-vv1xv

5 ай бұрын

@@kevinsmoon3257If I had to rate it it’s like mid -1, The parts with Smaug is really the only ones worth watching imo and is some of my favorites but it’s only because of his appearance and voice. Nothing much about his insides appeal to me. Everything else just seems so stretched out or useless, such as the spiders and orcs. The spiders were a small part only there to build tension, and the whole thing went for like a long time for no reason. The orcs don’t need to be there. I don’t think there’s a reason for them to be there, and I never liked them being there. The goblin king’s death was never used in the end, and while I understood that the path of The Necromancer as Sauron was to build for LOTR, but that could’ve easily been a short film or something. It’s a pretty bad film, and its biggest flaw is its runtime.

@kevinsmoon3257

5 ай бұрын

@@You-vv1xv yeah but all of those problems came from studio interference which is why i said that given all the bs jsckson dealt with these arent as bad as what they could have been

One of my favorite moments in LOTR is when Gimli finds the tomb in Moria. Then the orcs start coming. Everyone else gets ready, but they're all clearly afraid. But not Gimli. "Let them come, and they shall see that there is yet one dwarf in Moria who still draws breath."

"I'm old, Gandalf... I feel stretched somehow.. like...like a single book stretched over 3 movies each with a 2 hour run time and random Dwarf x Elf fanfiction thrown in"

@piotrwisniewski70

2 жыл бұрын

"that's oddly specific Bilbo"

@americantopteam135s-t7

2 жыл бұрын

Haha

@austins.2495

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@scottdoesntmatter4409

2 жыл бұрын

Be frank with you, if this trilogy had merely been two flicks without all the extra nonTolkein written scenes, I would have bought the fancy pants version and cherished it. As it is, I wouldn't touch this trilogy with a cattle prod.

@josiahthibodeaux

2 жыл бұрын

Boy that’s a mouthful.

The Hobbit is not "basically" a children's book: it is explicitly a children's book.

@winstonasmith9398

3 жыл бұрын

It's specifically Tolkien's children's book.

@adamrawn2063

3 жыл бұрын

Each chapter is designed as a bedtime story, which is why it is so episodic. In my opinion, the 70s animated version is better than the Jackson version, even with the 70s Folk soundtrack

@jorgeluna6577

3 жыл бұрын

A nice easy to follow adventure narrated in a more simpler and linear way very enjoyable but those movies sucks balls.

@nurgle333

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamrawn2063 the soundtrack was awesome!

@Bateluer

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda brings to light how far modern children's books have fallen in comparison. I remember reading The Hobbit in the third grade. I'm not entirely convinced today's third graders are literate.

I think a better treatment for this movie would have been framing it as Bilbo telling the story to Frodo, so there are more fanciful elements; the singing, the talking spiders, the over-the-top action, and maybe even the ethereal nature of the glut of CGI would have all felt more organic--elements of a tale being spun by a storyteller. It's kind of inherent anyway in the fact that it was a children's book. I mean, the dwarves' names rhyme, for crying out loud. :) And of course also get rid of all the nonsense that tries super hard to make this an official prequel rather its own tale.

@pattmundy1770

9 ай бұрын

Sort of like "Princess Bride"

@AutomaTom1939

9 ай бұрын

@@pattmundy1770 Totally!

@booperdee2

7 ай бұрын

if it was made to not be an epic like LoTR it would have been better. Del Toro staying to direct it was probably the right call

@jacquelynroe9036

2 ай бұрын

I love that idea.

@greasho

Ай бұрын

The intro to the first movie is Bilbo starting to write the story down in his book, which he plans to give to Frodo. You're basically saying the story would be better if it was framed the way it's already framed.

The eagles arent really a cab service. They help Gandalf out from time to time, but they dont serve him. Its like a friend doing you a favor and dropping you off along their route to work; you’ll get closer to your destination but you cant really expect him to inconvenience himself just to drive you all the way because its easier for you.

@noamz9527

10 ай бұрын

Well, if u were in danger of getting attacked and maybe killed on your way to work I assume your friends would have driven you all the way.

@justanothergunnerd8128

8 ай бұрын

Yes, the eagles are their own race and do as they want, whenever they want. They are conscious, intelligent beings just the same as Smaug or Beorn. They tolerate humans and don't eat them, even though they could. They are literally and figuratively above the drama of Middle Earth - far from a taxi service.

@StrongDreamsWaitHere

7 ай бұрын

The Eagles are the messengers of Manwe, who is more or less the “archangel” in charge of the other angels (the Valar) who supervise Middle-Earth. For complicated reasons, the Valar don’t understand the destiny of humans or dwarves and are reluctant to interfere in the matter of Sauron and the ring. Whenever the Eagles show up, it’s the Valar giving events a nudge in the direction they think, but aren’t certain, they are meant to go.

@matildastanford7019

6 ай бұрын

Yes. Drinker was being way too cynical and missed the mark with this one. The sheer ammount of prey a massive bird of prey that size would have to consume to maintain their metabolism would limit how long and far they could assist Gandalf & co. Wonder if orc was back on the menu for those birds.

@seagullskunk

4 ай бұрын

The main problem with the eagles was that the movies made them out to be extremly powerful which they just weren't. The reason why they didnt do the "cab service" in the book was because they were afraid of getting to close to any humans who might shoot arrows at them. Let that sink in and then compare it to the scene where they single handed and as it seems untouchably dismantle borgs army in the last part of the movies. Yes they were part of the battle of the five armys however it wasn't like the battle was won the moment they showed up the like its portrayed on screen.

This trilogy is exactly what Tolkin feared would happen when he said Hollywood will butcher his work.

@BaronVonBielski

3 жыл бұрын

What’s funny is the same director who did the lord of the rings books justice, screwed up the hobbit.

@koichidignitythief7429

3 жыл бұрын

@@BaronVonBielski Except A. Guillermo Del Toro was the Original Director and a lot of the unnecessary changes were his ideas B. Jackson wanted it to just be one movie or a 2-parter at best C. It was still the studio's idea to keep and make a lot of these changes to the script and stretch it out to a trilogy.

@DragonSlayerCommentariesHQ

3 жыл бұрын

This is a classic case of studios getting too involved and making things worse. It's funny how video games do Tolkien's work justice more.

@RS-vz5gc

3 жыл бұрын

@@BaronVonBielski because he had an entirely different production studio and due to the fact that Warner Bros took over instead of New Line Cinema and all that company makes is cartoons.

@HIPEOPLE1887

3 жыл бұрын

@@HenryAvery-qg1hd those two games are even worse from a lore standpoint. Not denying that they’re good games, but Tolkien would probably not like those games

The Second Movie ending with Smaug flying out of the Lonely Mountain only to be killed in the first 5 minutes of the Third Movie was a complete waste.

@Stresslvls99

3 жыл бұрын

Smaug got Snoke'd.

@Endru85x

3 жыл бұрын

Smaug was inspiration for Dark Raiden in New Timeline of Mortal Kombat games :).

@briankasnick4403

3 жыл бұрын

I missed the first 5 minutes cuz i got to the theater late. I missed it completely. Like wtf

@cheeseburger12

3 жыл бұрын

@@Stresslvls99 shouldn't it be the other way around? Ha.

@danielmeeker7587

3 жыл бұрын

Well, if they had made the hobbit into a single movie, they probably would have had to shorten it even more to fit in all the other events of the book. + It really was that abrupt in the book, in a purposeful way that would set up the plot twist of the battle of the five armies.

I only ever watched the first of these films, because I was so put off by the use of CGI. The LotR trilogy made its world look truly real and lived in with a thoughtful blend of CGI and practical effects, and seeing that thrown away in favor of the same unreal video game look every other movie today goes for hurt my heart.

3:55 to be fair they also did this in the book, and the reason if i recal is that they did not want to travel near the anduin, which was inhabited by men who often tried to shot the eagles with arrows

@S0L12D3

2 ай бұрын

Most of the stuff he complained about was the same in the books

@Willj2407

7 күн бұрын

I know it was quite annoying ​@@S0L12D3

When you include Legolas, Galadriel and Radagast in a movie regarding a book that didn’t even include them *Sad Tom Bombadil noises*

@nullForce

3 жыл бұрын

They probably should have thrown Tom in there for the fan service. They milked everything else. 🙄

@ironmonkey1512

3 жыл бұрын

That birdsheet beard sled scene, I would have walked out but my kids were there.

@Gjudxdkjyzddhjnr7091

3 жыл бұрын

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@skaetur1

3 жыл бұрын

Bombadil, the barrow downs, the scouring of the shire.

@jonbaxter2254

3 жыл бұрын

One of these days we'll have him... One of these days...

The action sequences destroyed the movie for me. Like they had to outdo the LotR trilogy.... it was ridiculously overdone.

@gerard2383

3 жыл бұрын

also most of the fan service just made me hate this more. It felt unnecessary

@randomthings1293

3 жыл бұрын

For me, it was the horrible, artificial and lore-shattering Elf-Dwarf romance

@independentthought3390

3 жыл бұрын

That is why I think the first movie is actually pretty good. It was goofy, yes, but it had far less action sequences than the other two. The second movie was a disappointment, and the third movie was just horrible on every level.

@spacejunk2186

3 жыл бұрын

The barrel scene encapsulates the whole problem of the action scenes in this trilogy.

@tacticalchunder1207

3 жыл бұрын

Legolas was totally unnecessary and probably the worst part of the films. His action scenes were ridiculous.

I personally really enjoyed the hobbit trilogy. Not as much as LOTR, but still found it entertaining and captivating.

@robyn3590

5 ай бұрын

Me too. I'm sure everyone knows the back story on making The Hobbit Movies. Definitely will never live up to LOTR but I still enjoyed it for what it was. Especially seeing Thandruil ❤❤❤

@wolflaf911

4 ай бұрын

@@robyn3590not sure what his point was in the villains complaint cuz both Smaug and gollum are very intimidating foes

I think your strongest point was when you said it tried to be epic and lighthearted and fun at the same time. They needed to pick a direction, and I think they should have stayed true to the books and kept the hobbit more like a children's book. It would have been a great opportunity for a younger generation to get into this genre

Smaug and his gold: still a better love story than Twilight!

@kaiju115

3 жыл бұрын

Amen also Smaug was the only good thing in this trilogy

@danielporter7662

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao!

@rhett5058

3 жыл бұрын

I glad these jokes haven’t died yet

@marcusgarcia5089

3 жыл бұрын

But Luffy and Boa is the greatest of all time.

@adityabhalekar3506

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaiju115 no

As Bilbo said once, the Hobbit was like too little butter spread over too much bread. Thin and burnt out.

@RRTNZ

3 жыл бұрын

Nice analogy !

@jonbaxter2254

3 жыл бұрын

I still like the puddle of piss metaphor.

@Mopsey

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't even make sense, bread isn't generally burnt.

@Enzo-gw7zf

3 жыл бұрын

You good sir win the internet today

@ladylacrimal8447

3 жыл бұрын

Holy Smaug shit, the Drinker approves me! Best Friday ever!

Tbf Samug's character was the only thing I liked about those movies, was waiting to see a dragon like that on the big screen for decades. They're aholes, they're full of themselves and they like gold, that's what a dragon is. They don't want world domination, they just want to fuck you and everyone you love up if you try to take their shit lol

I can’t believe this movie doesn’t represent THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY.

@Sam-gw5pl

Жыл бұрын

Not enough BAME, disabled, trans gender dwarves….. sorry, horizontally compromised peoples.

@dutch9357

Жыл бұрын

Because “THE MESSAGE”

@VincenzoInfi

Жыл бұрын

And doesn't cater to... *MODERN AUDIENCES*

@vagnerbeserra9190

Жыл бұрын

but that elf woman surely is badass, BELIEVE THAT!

I hated how un-dwarfy the dwarves were. Especially the “cute/hot” ones. And the romance with the elf. WE HATES IT, PRECIOUS

@me8751

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Thorin and the loverboy didn't even look like dwarves.

@igorivanov299

3 жыл бұрын

Women dwarves were supposed to look like their male counterparts, full beards and all, as mentioned in the original LOTR trilogy. Why then lover boy dwarf had barley any stubble. Was he an inferior male dwarf? Even the women dwarves have more testosterone then he does.

@LewisChristisonVids

3 жыл бұрын

You could tell they were trying to recapture the young heartthrob Orlando Bloom with them, and tried to make Thorin Aragorn 2.0 on top of that.

@kellerblair2952

3 жыл бұрын

@@LewisChristisonVids I mean technically he is the young king driven from his homeland set to reclaim the throne that's the book

@newwavepop

3 жыл бұрын

it always bothered me, because 3/4s of the dwarves looked like court jester caricatures of dwarves, and the other 4th just looked like rugged adventurer humans.

Legolas running on a collapsing bridge is a perfect metaphor for literally the entire thing.

@jillreyerma7592

3 жыл бұрын

How did they expect that to make sense? Because he can walk on top of snow? Yeah elves are light footed, but I don't think they can slow down time or push themselves off of rapidly falling objects. But yeah, pushing off of a rapidly falling object doomed to plummet does sum up the whole thing pretty great.

@winterval5764

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@estoguy

3 жыл бұрын

He ran across a collapsing bridge? "I have no memory of this place." 😉

@TSPH1992

3 жыл бұрын

That was the gayest scene in the film

@knox7945

3 жыл бұрын

When I saw that scene, I imagined him hopping off of paratroopas from Mario and getting a 1 up at the end.

The Hobbit trilogy doesn't come close to LOTR there is no doubt about that, but I would never say it was bad(except the 3rd part maybe). I particularly enjoyed the 1st movie and I didn't mind the slow build-up, it gave the story meaning and I personally found it compelling (as well as the side-arc of Radagast and Azog although they screwed that up later on in the trilogy). Part two was still quiet good, they did an amazing job with Smaug. And about part 3 well all the critique you say applies for part 3 in full extent for the first two movies not as much as you imply I think.

@tranquilthoughts7233

Жыл бұрын

The first part was without a doubt the best one. Not without flaws but nothing really eggregious and the flaws are very much balanced out by the genuinly great parts.

@matthewsmc

Жыл бұрын

The Hobbit movies are a more arcuate translation from the book. The Lord Of the Rings adaption from the 1980's is a better adaptation than the criminal abomination that Jackson created.

@dflaming1371

Жыл бұрын

@matthewsmc I thought trolls only lived in Middle Earth, good one though got a giggle outta me

@FuuuckOffff

11 ай бұрын

The third film is a bad film I'd argue. Forgettable with few redeeming features and almost nothing to do with the books whatever.

@dimitrilitovsk2372

10 ай бұрын

​@@FuuuckOffffI think the best part of the third film was the battle of the five armies and even that felt bad, but of course that's me watching LOTR, reading the books (including the hobbit) and then watching the hobbit films

@12:30 "he's basically the same person at the end as he was at the beginning" i would disagree w that rather strongly... Bilbo went thru much hell, saved the day on numerous occasions, and "discovered his courage" as he said. even Gandalf warned him, that he won't come back the same

Honestly, Smaug being a rather shallow and simple villain I can forgive. He was never really meant to be anything but a foul monster whose greed and lust for gold was meant to mirror the darkest and flawed nature of Dwarfkind.

@jonbaxter2254

3 жыл бұрын

I liked Smaug. He was a true evil, one that is just a force of nature.

@RRTNZ

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, his motivations in the book are not very complex, but even shallow villains can be played skillfully- here Cumberbatch just hams it up, helped by slightly goofy cgi - IMHO the most menacing movie Dragon ever is still Vermithrax, from Dragonslayer (1981), a combination of giant puppetry and stop motion animation, but that dragon is nasty and scary despite never speaking. Cheers.

@journeysmt4484

3 жыл бұрын

Right, the Dragon Sickness. He could have been at least intimidating, but the unrealistic action, and the dumb shit every 5 seconds meant you just could not take him seriously enough for that to happen. The Hobbit should ae been its own thing, really. No expectation to be like LOTR. IT could have been awesome in a different way.

@throwbackthursday680

3 жыл бұрын

I felt like the real villain in the first one was Thorins grandfather or something because of the corruption he allowed get to him. But I mean that was probably what I liked most.

@bruhman1221

3 жыл бұрын

Smaug is cool. Best part of these movies

Basically, they took a short children's book and tried to stretch it into a three part epic like LOTR. Like butter stretched over too much bread.

@goodputin4324

3 жыл бұрын

No, like butter spread thin over a loaf of bread

@ImaginaryCyborg

3 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there.

@jasonnation6615

3 жыл бұрын

you didn't read all of his literature did you?

@MiaogisTeas

3 жыл бұрын

@Charisma Girl Female dwarfs? …Why?

@thetalkingdummy9108

3 жыл бұрын

It could have been a 5 or 4 hour movie, but still very good films

I agree with everything you said, except for Bilbo and Smaug. The Dragon, although I admit not a very complex character was actually a very faithfully adapted from the book, because that’s what the professor wrote. He wasn’t so much intelligent with ambition he was mostly just driven by his own desires. A villain can be powerful, but doesn’t have to be motivated by grand plans of conquest. as for Bilbo, well that again is very much how the professor wrote him. He did learn a lot more self-confidence, and when he went home, he more or less carried on his happy life.

@sillyking1991

5 ай бұрын

well, carried on with his life with some minor resentment of some cousins that he believed stole some of his silverware....damned sacksville-baggins'

Thank you sir for mentioning that higher frame rates make movies not look like movies anymore! A lot of times people pretend they don’t see/notice it! I think it’s also called “soap opera effect”. A lot of TVs have an option that causes a similar effect. Often called something like “motion plus” or some nonsense! I hate it!

@paulcanning4702

4 ай бұрын

I saw the 2nd Hobbit movie in HFR, never again as it looked awful.Made sure I saw Battle of the 5 Armies in regular free rate

Legolas and Gimli mending the relationship between Elves and Dwarves by becoming brothers in arms was handled a million times better than the forced relationship between Kili and Tariel.

@SolarFlareAmerica

3 жыл бұрын

Nice BIONICLE dude

@cowboycurtis2229

3 жыл бұрын

But they were both so pretty! How could you not have a love story between such pretty people, even if it makes no sense at all?

@Frosty1979

3 жыл бұрын

You know their names? Wow, I only remembered them as Hobbit-dwarf and the "Lost" woman.

@ep3989

3 жыл бұрын

Wasn't it Tauriel?

@schmidtythekidd

3 жыл бұрын

@@Frosty1979 Funnily enough Evangeline Lilly dated Dominic Monaghan for awhile. A hobbit and an elf Lost on an island.

To be fair, Smaug was a badass, and his scene with Bilbo is great. Too bad he was built up so much only to die 5 mins into the third movie.

@apocryphicdeath

3 жыл бұрын

I found it jarring to end the 2nd movie at the climax and start the third with it only the end it in the first 5 minutes. One wonders why they made that decision. Did they think people wouldn't come back for the 3rd movie if Smaug was dead?

@samescourt3801

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly my favorite part about the whole trilogy. Cumberbatch killed it and it really did suck that he barely got any screen time

@alexrennison8070

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Smaug was great.

@eddielong8663

3 жыл бұрын

Reminded me of cliffhanger endings in many of those old TV shows. 90% of time, the resolve in the following episode would be anticlimactic.

@bodavidson2804

3 жыл бұрын

Would have made so much more sense to have Smaug killed at the end of movie 2. Then start 3 with the Lake Town refugees and everyone gathering to claim the gold.

"The only thing more powerful than the one ring is Hollywood's desire to milk a popular franchise dry" This line perfectly described what hollywood's greed has done to every sequel, prequel and remake it produced in the latest years

I do actually enjoy (re)watching Hobbit a bit more than LotR. Hobbit feels like a lighthearted Adventure Fantasy while LotR feels heavier and maybe historical/"realistic" Fantasy. I don't feel like I'm losing anything from LotR by enjoying the Hobbit and merging the worlds in my head. Btw, I believe only 4 or 5 of the dwarves were actually warriors before taking part in that journey, rest were craftsmen and "neither the strongest nor the brightest" or smth like that. Who knows, honestly, maybe I'm not smart enough to see those important world breaking flaws

@user-tm9ho3bm4v

Жыл бұрын

Same, The Hobbit is the kind of movie you don't have to take very seriously, you order a burger and simply enjoy the movie.

Compared to "The Rings of Power", The Hobbit trilogy is a masterpiece right up there with Lord of the Rings itself.

@reek4062

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Rings of Power is better than the LotR trilogy

@anakinskywalker8859

Жыл бұрын

@@reek4062 🤡

@burakardaaksoy6339

Жыл бұрын

@Reek nice troll

@sumanimeup

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know why people are hating on Rings of Power I’m enjoying the show

@alurkingislander

Жыл бұрын

Rings of Power isn't as good as LotR but I say it's definitely better than these.

In the book Smaug is the personification of greed. He’s meant to be a warning of what someone becomes when they get their hands on the treasure under the mountain. Tolkien’s biggest influence was Nordic mythology, where dragons hoard gold under a similar context.

@Gaia_Gaistar

3 жыл бұрын

This, I think Drinker missed that.

@GG-ir1hw

3 жыл бұрын

Dragons were also created by Morgoth, so are very much bred for committing war crimes. It’s why he foreshadows wanting to align with Sauron (Morgoth’s servant). Also the film stays very true to the book with the dragon been under the mountain for so long. I don’t think it’s source of Sustenance was ever mentioned.

@brucetucker4847

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and he's also more of a force of nature than a character. The important characters are the dwarves, men, and elves, and Bilbo. The novel doesn't really have a villain in the traditional sense, that's not its point.

@spacemarinechaplain9367

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, he isn’t supposed to be an ultra complex character in fact he’s more of an obstacle or plot device than a character.

@thatonetitan8456

3 жыл бұрын

@@GG-ir1hw It's mentioned in the book. He's like a snake. He eats a literal fuckload of dwarves and then hibernates on his gold 100 years. Also, smaug is basically a baby. If you want a real kick in the pants, google an estimated size chart of Tolkien dragons

I’m so tired of seeing Hollywood make billions of dollars by taking good books, comics, etc and fucking them all up.

The Hobbit trilogy sure seems a lot better now since the Rings of Power came out. In fact I watched it again (with extended versions) after suffering through the abomination that was the Rings of Power, and while it’s not the original trilogy it’s still a Peter Jackson film that I’ve grown fond of.

“A politician who’s only there because the people are too dumb to get rid of him” - sorry mate, that sounds like real life.

@sgt.lincolnosiris5028

3 жыл бұрын

Creepy stealy uncle Joe?

@TehWinnerz

3 жыл бұрын

@@sgt.lincolnosiris5028 no.

@gregoryl.levitre9759

3 жыл бұрын

It's 100% real life.

@GawainSSB

3 жыл бұрын

@@sgt.lincolnosiris5028 Or Pelosi. Or Cortez. Or...

@illerac84

3 жыл бұрын

@@sgt.lincolnosiris5028 Nah

Not even a mention of the horrible CGI? LoTR looks so much fresher.

@jack9315

3 жыл бұрын

I watched Lotr a couple months ago and it ages so well, even by today's standards it's still pretty good imo

@TheLevitatingFleem

3 жыл бұрын

The very few & very small CGI flaws can be seen better in the 4k remaster, but like I said, they are few & far between. And are usually things out in the distance or weird shadowing. Still better CG than 95% of modern movies

@thedeviousduck8027

3 жыл бұрын

Really for the early 2000s the CGI was incredible. It was used lightly enough that it wasn’t distracting and the post processing really sells it

@urbanmyths95

3 жыл бұрын

well like the original jurassic park lotr used a metric fuckton of practical effect

@bazezikov15

3 жыл бұрын

Video game cutscenes

I just watched m4 book edit of these movies (fan edit). The trilogy cut down to a 4 hour movie and keeping to the book as much as possible. It's really well done. Going to be my go to when I do a Lord of the Rings rewatch, will start with the single Hobbit movie now. It should never have been made into 3 long movies, so much crap is cut with this edit makes it so much better. And I love Bilbo!

@13thxenos

Ай бұрын

Where can I watch such an edit?

Everyone now: "Perhaps I judged you too harshly".

As someone who really loves the book: The problem is not that Smaug is a bad main villain, the problem is that the movies focus too much on him and tries to make more out of him than there really is. The book is not really about Smaug, it's really about the journey and about Bilbo as a character being on his first adventure. Smaug doesn't need to have any big motives or plans, he just needs to be there as the final obstacle for Bilbo and the dwarves.

@patricktinkl4996

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Smaug almost doesn't need to be a character at all

@tarron3237

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@trixstermillion2190

2 жыл бұрын

And that is all the Big Bad you need for a 300-page kids' book.

@marvelsomething1952

2 жыл бұрын

He's like a laser grid in a heist movie which presents the final obstacle to the heroes. There's no point trying to give him a complex character. Instead they should've focused more on the dwarves. You don't have to give them all complex arcs, but pick a handful and develop them well. And don't make the others so goofy.

@Phonoodles408

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is books and movies aren’t the same

In Peter Jackson's defense, he didn't want to direct this. He was told that if he didn't they'd get someone else who would. Perhaps he could have told them to stuff it and hire a lesser replacement, but I give him props for believing that he had a stake in the making of Middle Earth and would rather blame fall on him then taking the easy route to have the movies be blamed on someone else.

@EnvoyOfFabulousness

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was also that if he didn't direct it they weren't going to film it in New Zealand. And Jackson felt like that would be a massive insult to the people in New Zealand who helped with the first trilogy, so he took it on kind of as a favor for them.

@teddkave327

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, someone else WAS set to direct, Guillermo Del Toro (with Peter Jackson producing). Del Toro spent over a year during pre-production on the film and before principal photography was set to begin, he left. I don't know if he quit (as the press releases would say) or if he was fired. After that, there was no time to look for another director so Peter Jackson had to step in and take over.

@stanlee5465

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, and they had the movie rights, and the property was essentially guaranteed to make money, it was really just a question of how big a hit they could produce... I mean someone was going to make the movie(s), so they might as well have been done by Peter Jackson!

@jamesrogers1554

3 жыл бұрын

It's even more complex than that though. They had originally hired Guillermo del Toro to direct and he had been working on it in various aspects for years. However he finally bailed when they kept increasing the number of films they wanted from the 300pg book. They then turned to Jackson, begging him to come back and sent a dump truck of $$$ to his house. But they also gave him almost no pre-production time and threw out most of del Toro's work. As such Jackson had little time to plan and with each movie he fell further and further behind. A making of documentary I saw showed that by the third movie he had to completely abandon story boarding and had resorted to taking extra long lunch breaks where he would literally spend time setting up elements and camera shots for the scene that they were shooting that afternoon. It said that at the end he was pulling 18-20hr days just to get the film finished by the studio's intractable timeline.

@Sigma0283

3 жыл бұрын

He used The Hobbit and some of The Silmarillion novels in order to make this trilogy.

I know this is leaping into this kinda vid's comment section is like falling into a pit of barbed wire but here I go: I actually really enjoyed the hobbit. I thought that it was a wonderful prequel series that moved seamlessly into LOTR. Maybe that helps that I watched them in order from my dad's movie collection, but I felt really engrossed in the world and got to see more of characters I love while also looking at new ones. As a fan of dnd I played with more large parties that resemble the diologue in the film so I had a lot of "That's just like ____" moments XD I understand why people like LOTR more and for emotional moments return ROTK is a tear jerker. But I still think there is some good acting and drama to be found. The villian more being their obsession after being overwhelmed by the Golden waves of the Mines was interesting and gave some interesting foreshadowing as Bilbo sees how obsessions can lead to a downfall, only for himself to become obsessed with the ring in the future. And before anyone says anything yes: My favorite character was Gimli in the original unsurprisingly

@thatoneguy4209

Жыл бұрын

I'll take it further I like the hobbit more than lord of the rings the dialogue is better and the characters had better chemistry. I don't understand why it gets the hate 😂

@kia4now

Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it too, but the critical drinker makes a few valid points about the story trying to be epic and humorous at the same time. Also the fact that it was too long, and the fight scenes didn't feel important at all. But I really liked the dwarves and the lighthearted scenes, the music and singing added to it too in my opinion

@tranquilthoughts7233

Жыл бұрын

Just curious, did you read the original book before or after watching the movies? Because i did read the book before the movies were even conceived of and what pissed me off the most was actually how the movies unerringly went in the wrong most direction whenever they deviated from the original book. The only deviation from the book that i actually found interesting was that the dwarves at least tried to fight smaug because that didn't happen in the book. But then the fight against smaug was executed so horribly that it killed all the enjoyment i found in the dwarves attempting to fight smaug. Maybe the most infuriating thing about the fight in my opinion was that there were actually other ways the fight could have made much more sense. Like for example have the dwarves find an old "windballista" (something that by the way didn't exist in the book) and some black arrows, have them fix it and then bait smaug into it's shooting range. Sure, the dwarves couldn't actually kill smaug, that needs to be ultimatly achieved by bard, but they at least could have made an attempt that makes even a ounce of sense.

@Wellington-mu6xn

Жыл бұрын

@@tranquilthoughts7233 I admittedly did not read the books (damn bookstore didn't sell that stuff) but the way I see it is that the changes helped from a film standpoint to help us better connect with the people of Rivertown by having Bard do the deed, helping us root for both sides at the final battle. As far as the movie goes, I felt that the dwarves fight with smaug was still enough to not have them make no contribution and helped present how strong he was. Valid interpretation for sure tho!

@kia4now

Жыл бұрын

@@tranquilthoughts7233 This is pretty common with film adaptations of books. They try to make bits and pieces of it 'cooler' not factoring in that the reason the book was popular was because it was the sum of all its parts in unison. Sometimes that's not exactly hard to dissect. As for your first question, I read the lord of the rings trilogy first then attempted the hobbit afterwards. I got bored about halfway through and couldn't take it anymore I agree with all your points btw, I feel like this movie was very lazy. Even not knowing the ending it felt like so many scenes were an absolute stretch. The part where the elves jumped over the dwarves to take the brunt of the attack was just so stupid I almost shut it off there

I actually enjoyed the Hobbit films; but then, I thought that the LOTR films were much too short, and that there were too few of them. I could easily have watched 20~25 hours of LOTR. IMVHO, the Hobbit film was an attempt to give the story a similar gravitas to LOTR, while also trying not to deviate too far from the original. But what the hell do I know? Millions of viewers - millions of opinions. Mine is just another.

The only thing I disagree on is Smaug I did enjoy his presentation on screen. He could have been the highlight of one good film.

@bigbadwulfen

3 жыл бұрын

Smaugs motives were represented as in the book. Loving a hoard of treasure more than anything else, wanton killing. Not much to expand upon there really.

@jeffreygiven4713

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It was compelling... and I think faithful to the original source material.

@OurBlackFriend

3 жыл бұрын

I kinda liked the singing lol. The book had a lot of songs in it so that actually felt like a nice addition.

@MrChickennugget360

3 жыл бұрын

I liked the Rankin and Bass version of Smaug because he comes off as uninterested. Smaug should be like an aged rock-star who has had a long life of drugs, sex and rock and roll. He has vast hoarded wealth can do what he wants but is bored of life and its hard to get him up when he is napping. but he is also very egotistical. He does not seem to care about Bilbo as anything more than a minor bit of entertainment until he starts to get angry over his theft.

@videonaterAD

3 жыл бұрын

Looking at other dragons in fiction, yeah that's basically what they do. Money and chilling. You usually don't see them go attacking people unless it's something like theyre summoned to obey by some magic, or they need to in order to survive. Also some dragons eat treasure to survive so that's always possible. He could also hibernate for long periods of time who knows

The Misty Mountain song in this movie is fucking glorious though. It's one of my favorite parts of the series. No joke

@skateman7151

3 жыл бұрын

Led Zeppelin?

@Irregular_John

3 жыл бұрын

Skate man That would be Misty Mountain Hop.

@razorofwolvendom2208

3 жыл бұрын

Fire by Ed Sheeran too, that song is the best way to describe Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarfs.

@jamesrazor9048

3 жыл бұрын

It was good, but with 8 hours to kill they should have done the whole thing

@anam00090

3 жыл бұрын

first film in general has many nice moments. I genuinely can't say this about the last film, where half of the storylines only get closure if you see the extended version, and even then it's subpar -_- Have seen multiple fan-edits that completely remove Azog, Kili-Tauriel's romance or that ridiculous shot of Smaug covered with liquid gold like a glorified Ferrero Rocher, but the final battle is so abysmal, you just can't edit around the source material to make it better...

That exchange when Gimli and Legolas are on top of the wall STILL gives me chills and makes me tear up a bit. Those movies had such amazing impact on every level, and I knew it would be hard to live up to that for the Hobbit. The farce it turned out to be is still beyond my comprehension. We read that in sixth grade if I remember correctly. It's a children's book, not a labyrinth world for teenagers. Maybe two movies, two hours MAX and it could've been much better...

Hobit was never meant to rival lord of the rings. It was a kids book much less serious that got forced to be a trilogy. It was fun to watch tho in all honesty I only remember the most the Smaug. I fucking love scenes with that dragon. Everything else is okay. It was entertaining to watch. Not even close to LOTR but it was fine. People are just shitting to much on it. Creating another movie series ain't that easy. If it was then LOTR would not have been that well regarded.

"The only thing more powerful than the one ring is Hollywoods desire to milk a franchise dry" still true to this day with Amazon making the rings of power.🤣🤣

@carljohan9265

2 жыл бұрын

According to the creators, the rings of power will be the most expensive TV show ever. If that's true, I will find it hard to contain my laughter as it tanks worse than Titanic 😆

@moonbeeps

2 жыл бұрын

@@carljohan9265 Tanks worse than Titanic?

@carljohan9265

2 жыл бұрын

@@moonbeeps Yes. Hyped AF, expensive to make, most disappointing debut imaginable. Just like Titanic.

@moonbeeps

2 жыл бұрын

@@carljohan9265 I agree on The Hobbit but Titanic is literally iconic and a classic. I don't see the relation between the two. I was 9 or 10 when Titanic came out. I'm 33 now and I'm guessing you're older since you're talking about the hype and "disappointing premiere" that there was in 97, but "hyped AF" coming out of a 40 year old is extremely cringy to me. Also, Titanic was the highest-grossing film of all time only being surpassed by a movie made by the same director. So, "disappointing debut imaginable" is far from reality. Unless you're trolling, it makes absolutely no sense comparing the worldwide success of Titanic to a fantasy trilogy that flopped enormously.

@moonbeeps

2 жыл бұрын

@@carljohan9265 Also, it costed $200 million and gained a worldwide total of $2.195 billion. I'm lost here so you gotta help me where you went wrong.

Best description I’ve heard about this is “The Hobbit feels like having your appetizer after you already had the main course.”

@DmytroBogdan

3 жыл бұрын

They came in wrong order, that is true.

@georgemorley1029

3 жыл бұрын

One plate of prawn cocktail is nice. Three plates of prawn cocktail will make you sick. Three plates of prawn cocktail advertised as three plates of prawn cocktail is fair enough. But three plates of prawn cocktail advertised as a three course meal will make you angry. And sick. And so it’s no wonder that these films make me angry and sick. EDIT - these were BIG plates of prawn cocktail btw.

@TheSuperappelflap

3 жыл бұрын

in this analogy, id rather say that LOTR is like a 3 course meal in a good italian restaurant and the hobbit is the mars bar thats been stuck in your jacket pocket for 3 years. its stale and after you take one bite, immediate regret follows.

@dws6x292

3 жыл бұрын

Nah. For me the trilogy is a pretty good appetizer to the three course meal of LOTR.

@caronstout354

18 күн бұрын

And the Rings of Power was the dessert that looked good on the menu but was substandard when it hit the table...

I traveled to New Zealand and there are two HUGE things of note there related to LoTR. The Locals bring it up WHENEVER they can, and the sheer amount of effort peter Jackson put to filming it there is INCREDIBLE. (Just look up how Edoras was filmed this shit's wild)

@pizzasharkguy3807

8 ай бұрын

Peter Jackson went to some INSANE levels to make the movie as true to the books as he could.

@88-V-..-A-..-N-88

Ай бұрын

Recently been to the edoras location and it is simply breathtaking scenery

Watching this today. Rings of Power made The Hobbit look like the book version of the LOTR triology.

I thought the actor for Bilbo did good, the scared, quiet type is good for portraying a hobbit out of his place and thrust into a larger situation.

@circedelune

2 жыл бұрын

He wasn’t Bilbo. Bilbo was whimsical, lovable, with a heart and courage that made his size almost irrelevant. He was not the down-trodden Everyman that this dude plays in every single role he has ever played. Bilbo is special. Played to perfection by Ian Holmes in TLOTR, but much too briefly. He has a wide-eyed, child-like excitement. I think the Hobbit could have been fun with the right Bilbo and the right Thorin, even with all the other nonsense they put in there.

@tonyfandango8182

2 жыл бұрын

@@circedelune Martin Freeman is not the issue with the Hobbit lmao, to say the he plays an “everyman” in everything he’s ever done shows you really haven’t seen much of his work.

@circedelune

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyfandango8182 to be honest, I haven’t seen that much with him in it, and I’m not really interested. He wasn’t the only problem with The Hobbit, by far. I’m just saying that a better Bilbo could have made these movies at least watchable.

@tonyfandango8182

2 жыл бұрын

@@circedelune I see what you’re saying, I do however think it wasn’t just a casting issue and Bilbo was written to be skittish, as opposed to adventurous like in the books. I think Martin Freeman could have done a better job with a better script and better direction.

@circedelune

2 жыл бұрын

@@tonyfandango8182 it’s possible.

This trilogy is the film equivalent of a phrase “I survived another meeting that should have been an e-mail”. It had its moments, but not enough to justify the effort.

@rockyblacksmith

3 жыл бұрын

@@elock1277 That, as well as Bilbos dialogues with Gollum and Smaug. That's about as much as you can call "good" in these films. Some other parts reach "passable", but nothing better than that.

@jonathanwells223

2 жыл бұрын

@@elock1277 only they skipped half the fucking verses because they wanted more unnecessary landscape shots

@strongsuccessfulweeb1400

2 жыл бұрын

The hobbit was decent enough IMO..it just failed to recapture the LOTR magic..what i dont like is Tauriel and Kilis interracial romance..the excessive use of CGI..the Witch King being buried and not retreated to Mordor..the under utilization of Beor and Radagast..and that horrible depiction of the Battle of Five Armies. And Alfrid like wtf! The Singing is ok..in the LoTR books they sing A LOT..Songs have power Middlearth..The Eagles 🦅 are okay..they are servants of Manwe Sulimo the Elder King and they are the living proof except from the Istari and Glorfindel that the Valar are not blind to the suffering of Middlearth..and Smaug..why the fuck does everything need to have a complex goal..Smaug is the last of the Uruloki the fire breathing Dragons personally bred my Morgoth himself of course it makes sense that he will be an agent of Chaos and greed..remember Melkor the Morgoth poured his essence to the world and it is weakest in water and strongest in gold so dragons being attracted to gold makes sense..Legolas being there is okay tbh he is afterall the prince of Mirkwood and it does make sense for him to be there..Thranduil being a pragmatic asshole but ultimately reasonable because its a relief from the uber goody good elves and also his realm is the only Elven Kingdom left in ME and one without an Elven ring..Radagast being fleshed out a bit is ok too because he is an interesting character just underutilized both in books and film..and do orc really need a complex motivation? Dude they are literally servants of evil what more motivation can you ask from that?

@nillynush4899

2 жыл бұрын

Not nearly enough frankly. and all the poor connecting and aping of LOTR in the Hobbit made the original moments weaker through inappropriate usage. It made the universe feel like just another "hollyweird" production, specially with the last movie.

@strongsuccessfulweeb1400

2 жыл бұрын

@@nillynush4899 yeah agreed its okay but not enough..my eyes hurt withr he cgi tbh..back then cgi was only ever used if all practical effects were exhausted now its just all over the place

They had enough material for one 3-hour extended cut DVD and a 2h30m film. And they spun it out into a trilogy.

I like to think that the hobbit trilogy is how bilbo tells the story to the young Hobbits in the beginning of the fellowship of the ring

There are fan recuts that makes this a 3h movie. "There And Back Again, A Hobbit's Tale Recut by David Killstein" It's called. It follows the books more closely and removes all filler. Movie gets pretty good then, there is good shit here just the greed stretching it out to 3 movies, and the message of the movie is greed is bad xD.

@ZS-bg7jo

3 жыл бұрын

While i was typing my reply. Lol

@earlofdoncaster5018

3 жыл бұрын

Got a link for Killstein's movie?

@jonbaxter2254

3 жыл бұрын

A polished turd is still shit

@TvboxFinnan

3 жыл бұрын

Does it remove Legolas, Tauriel and shit?

@schlepedits7486

3 жыл бұрын

it would still be shit. You need the scene with the trolls and you can never fix that goofy bullshit

Warner Bros: make this movie Peter Jackson: ok I'll need about 3 years to get all the sets and costumes ready for shooting and it would make more sense as 2 films so it isn't bloated Warner Bros: you've got 3 months it's a trilogy and you start now, go

@Lakhshamana

3 жыл бұрын

Well Guillermo del Toro was going to direct it and he already has about a year's worth of prep... then the execs threw out those prep and got Peter Jackson to direct.

@JamesEatWorld7758

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair it started out as a duology and was turned into a trilogy after the first part was released

@pasqualeturano4060

3 жыл бұрын

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@briani50

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lakhshamana that really hurts my heart. I had no clue Guillermo was supposed to direct... would’ve been so good.

@willh3972

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the rapid changes in leadership and utter lack of planning made everything worse. Its similar to the new star wars movies having no script even when shooting. I dont know how good it could have been but this was built to fail.

You forgot about that shiney stone that the dwarf obsessed over. It was like a poor man's ring.

“But hey, at least it will probably be better than the Amazon TV series.” ..prophetic words

To be fair the "singing part" is actually a pretty big part in the book, as I remember it.

@TheVioletBunny

Жыл бұрын

It is he clearly didn’t read the book

@fritzmeier3573

Жыл бұрын

@@TheVioletBunny i agree. The move is very close to the book for the most part.

@stefankrunic8188

11 ай бұрын

@@fritzmeier3573 He's not being realistic at all. There were things that were forcefully added in the movies to make them much longer, it's true, but singing, that's part of the story and for me, it was done right. I enjoyed it.

@FuuuckOffff

11 ай бұрын

The singing is fine but it IS used as filler. Like we don't need 3 verses and a montage of potwashing at the outset of a trilogy.

@laurence2424

10 ай бұрын

The fact that 13, rough warrior dwarfs all have voices of an angle had me floored

All Smaug needed for motivation was that dragons love gold. He didn't need anything else for the story. To Tolkien, dragons represent unbridled greed.

@nathancoulombe8308

3 жыл бұрын

I actually agree

@ajheartsong

3 жыл бұрын

exactly!

@Gfan-yi7tm

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@RowBearToe

3 жыл бұрын

@@sadbuttrue1187 He wasn't tricked by Dwarves though. He'd never encountered a Hobbit and assumed he was a tricksy human from Laketown, or at least that was why in the book. Irrational and angry and full of greed.

@kraigcunningham2942

3 жыл бұрын

I would've been fine with that too but I feel like that's never reinforced in the film,or even tried for that matter.Haven't seen the movies in a bit but from what I remember its never put in the movie. I would've loved to see that because then you could give Thorin or some other character some sort of arch where all they want is the gold but find that material possessions don't amount to friendships. I understand you can't really do that because it wouldn't add up with the story and all,but the point is that there could've been something there and the film didn't try and incorporate it.

"At least it'll probably be better than the Amazon TV series." That ended up being more true than any of us could ever guess.

I would rather another one of these than Rings of Power. No matter how Hobbit turned out, Peter at least got how Middle-Earth should feel like.

Honest, this movie never felt like a Lords of the Rings movie at all, it felt more like one from Asterix and Obelix instead.

@JasonAdank

3 жыл бұрын

The adventures of Asterix and Obelix would make an awesme tv series if done faithfully.

@pasqualeturano4060

3 жыл бұрын

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@TSPH1992

3 жыл бұрын

@@JasonAdank there are some animated movies out there. But they were released in Europe. Not sure about the USA. I can tell you. I have the DVDs and I am planning to preserve them for my relatives

@scenemaker864

3 жыл бұрын

If you were watching high, sure

@boarfaceswinejaw4516

3 жыл бұрын

@@TSPH1992 you can find most of the animated movies on youtube. some of the 3d animated ones are pretty great as well.

In the book, Bilbo does have a proper arc. He starts as somebody happy to sit at home doing nothing, afraid of the larger world, and who lets people walk all over him. But by the end, he's brave, willing to face any odds to save his friends, and who in the end is willing to stand firm againt anything - even his friends' hatred in order to save them. After the events of The Hobbit, he goes on to become an adventurer. And the book does actually do an ok job of giving all the Dwarves some development. But this should never have been three films, everything they added was garbage.

@eamonnholland5343

3 жыл бұрын

In the movies, too, you can see hints of what could be PTSD in Bilbo at the end, or at least the heavy toll on him of losing some of his friends. In full disagreement with Drinker on this one, I think Martin Freeman did an awesome job as Bilbo.

@politicallycorrectredskin796

3 жыл бұрын

Well, he isn't really a combat character anyway. More a sort of diplomat who gets bonked on the head when the fighting starts. Very hard to shoot this movie according to the book just because of that. Super exciting fight scene incoming, PoV character gets clubbed and wakes up afterwards so we can't show you any of it! Anyway, not everything added was garbage. The Council and the stuff with Sauron happened at this time and is why Gandalf left the dwarves. It just wasn't in the Hobbit, but in LotR appendices. And since Radagast was the person in Middle Earth who lived closest to Dol Guldur it made sense that he went to warn Gandalf. It's not all wonderfully done, but let's not pretend it wasn't give some thought or that it was all trash either.

@92bagder

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if Del Torro wasnt rob of directing the movie.

@AdderTude

3 жыл бұрын

The other thing was that Peter Jackson clearly missed the change in tone. The Hobbit was always written in the style of a children's story (as the Drinker said), not the more serious, darker tone of The Lord of the Rings. The story would've been better served in two parts (a duology rather than a trilogy).

@Sifer2

3 жыл бұрын

I think the films actually handled Bilbo's arc reasonably well. But the whole thing could have been done in single 4 hour extended cut film or 2 films. Stretching it into 3 ruined it with entirely too much fanfiction filler.

In defense of the songs, that's Tolkein. He wrote in a lot of poems in the book. They turned them into songs, same difference.

Just to clarify here, the hobbit wasn’t exactly just a cash grab, there was websites and petitions and such from fans begging for it to happen

After the LOTR series finishes, we’ll be looking at The Hobbit trilogy with fond memories 😆

@katofdarkcrest

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely the series is going to shove PC/SJW politics in like crazy and add into that gender/race swaps galore. and probably gay/lesbian/nonbinary characters aplenty. the series is going to all but destroy Tolkien's Legacy

@itsallvr632

3 жыл бұрын

I mean no. Not speaking on the quality of the series as it hasn't released, but even then something being worse than something that is bad doesn't make the bad thing any better. Like the star wars movies for example. The sequels (7,8,9) being crap didn't make the prequels any less crap.

@katofdarkcrest

3 жыл бұрын

@Cory Baxter looking at things Hollywood has put out recently it's a case of Pattern recognition. If it doesn't turn out like I predicted I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I'm keeping my expectations VERY low on the series

@katofdarkcrest

3 жыл бұрын

@@itsallvr632 there are people for which the Di$ney sequel Trilogy has made the OT unwatchable. so bad quality can definitely destroy a franchise

@mikespearwood3914

3 жыл бұрын

@Cory Baxter Have you not been paying attention in the past decade to movies and shows?

I would watch the extended hobbit series on an endless loop before I watch any new Star Wars movie one More time

@OoxB505

3 жыл бұрын

Hear hear! 😋

@johnleonard9102

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I started rewatching Rise of Skywalker yesterday while doing some chores and I was constantly criticizing every single thing about it

@Lultschful

3 жыл бұрын

That's like saying "I'd eat dog poop before I'd eat dog vomit."

@Irishpride4774

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lultschful “you eat pieces of shit for breakfast”

@thecocktailian2091

3 жыл бұрын

Its like your Alex from Clockwork Orange. What a horror show.

I don’t think the Dwarves ever even discussed their plan for the dragon, they just talk about Bilbo stealing the MagicStone but not what they’ll do if/when the dragon wakes up and flips out

To be fair, there is *plenty* of singing in the books.

Boromir's death was one of those movie scenes that breaks my heart to this day. It was just so well done. The man was turned into a pincushion, and still manage to focus the last ounces of his remaining strength to kill a few Uruks, redeem himself in the process, and hold out until Aragorn relieved him of his duty. I wish my death would be half as honorable as his.

@Poet482

3 жыл бұрын

It's best that he died the way he did or he just may have just ended up stealing the ring and taking off. He got to die with his legacy preserved. Any longer and there likely wouldn't have been much of that man that remained.

@chatyxd6078

3 жыл бұрын

Boromir is possibly my favorite character in LOTR because he's relatable and flawed. Out of the fellowship Boromir is the most human, he shows how men can be corrupted by power and turned from their goals. But he also redeems himself, Boromir is able to die a hero by overcoming his desires. Welp that's all I have to say, have a nice day👍

@sgt.thundercok4704

3 жыл бұрын

Well framed.

@anthony8041

3 жыл бұрын

@@chatyxd6078 Since Aragorn's bloodline is mixed with elvish, Boromir is the only actual human in the company,

@chatyxd6078

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthony8041 well who would've thought that the most human character is the most human😎

in defense of Smaug, he did act as Dragons in that universe do.

@vcdf49a

3 жыл бұрын

The most enjoyable scene for me was the encounter between Smaug and Bilbo. The battle between Smaug and the dwarves was ridiculous.

@excusezmoi9823

3 жыл бұрын

@@vcdf49a Agreed

@redclayscholar620

3 жыл бұрын

If memory serves me right, doesn't excessive amounts of gold cause "dragon sickness" where you care for little else besides the hoarding of gold?

@pickyphysicsstudent201

3 жыл бұрын

Its funny because the reason why Gold is valuable is because it is so rare. Something close to 6 Olympic swimming pools worth on the entire Earth. Despite this, it is pretty useless as a material. Gold plated armour is not as good as other more conventual metals. The dwarves having 10 mile deep mine-banks full of the stuff is impressive but it only for us, for them said gold is only valued because of arbitrary worth assigned to it. Cheese is probably worth the same, based on scarcity, in that world. By in large, it doesn't do anything so this would make the endless pursuit of it rather pointless. Bragging rights are nice but that only goes so far.

@FreakishPower

3 жыл бұрын

@@redclayscholar620 Now we call it Bitcoin sickness. Trust me I know all too well.

There's no doubt about it, the film was ruined by making it into a trilogy. The chase scenes are pointless filler and I just fast-forward through them every time (Radagast in particular is a painful parody). But I strenuously disagree that Martin Freeman was a poor choice for Bilbo - I think he was inspired for the character and I do think he shows considerable development by the ending. Likewise there were great performances from Richard Armitage and Benedict Cumberbatch. However, I'm really surprised that hardly anyone has mentioned the superlative performance by Lee Pace as Thranduil. For me, that was the gem of the whole trilogy.

4:20 that’s exactly what I felt watching those Hobbits movies, and that’s why I appreciate them. 😂

Jackson was thrown into the Hobbit last second and was told to make three films... he had years to prep LOTR, and literally months for The Hobbit (with most of the prep already completed by people who had a very different vision). Not an easy task.

@flatline42

2 жыл бұрын

By "other people" we mean Guillermo del Toro whose vision of a kind of fever dream/Pan's Labyrinth Hobbit I'd have been down with. The studios decided they wanted more Lord of the Rings instead and canned him.

@brucelaborin2124

2 жыл бұрын

@@flatline42 Yes, they fucking did. Truthfully, if Guillermo had been able to do it, it might've felt closer in tone to the LOTR. But of course the studio did their usual stupidness when they remembered all the dollars they have made on the LOTR. Peter Jackson could only stem the loss of either having someone heading up the series that he DIDN'T want as director, or do the series himself, and suffer sleeplessness again, and give some of what the studio wanted while trying to maintain tone. It was an impossible task for him, when everything he did up to that point was in the line of duty as producer.

@filipgasic2642

Жыл бұрын

Don't use that shitty excuse. You know he didn't have to accept that contract?? Or imagine this, the studio picking one good director and sticking with him and giving him time to do his job??

@astronomical7962

Жыл бұрын

@@filipgasic2642 still a very valid excuse

@yurkafrankvel966

Жыл бұрын

I still liked the movies read the books to and to be honest they are good, yes, not LOTR but they are still good. And by todays standrds they are a Master piece compared to rings of power

My dad used to read The Hobbit to me before bed when I was 3. When the movies where announced to be a trilogy my initial reaction was "You need three movies for that?"

@julianpradarodriguez7336

3 жыл бұрын

For me even 2 movies is going too far. The animated was only one movir

@TheGoodLuc

3 жыл бұрын

It was my first fantasy book which my mother read me in childhood. So yes.

@roryslaine7896

2 жыл бұрын

It was a clear money grab. They were banking on peoples nostalgia for the original LOTR trilogy. Just like they did with the Star Wars sequels.

@Wade_Fucking_Wilson

2 жыл бұрын

@@roryslaine7896 The sequels are worse

@roryslaine7896

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson That's what I meant lol. Edit: Wait, did you mean the Star Wars sequels were worse than the Hobbit movies? If so, my bad, because I'd agree with you there. At least the Hobbit movies were loyal to the already established lore and source material. The Star Wars sequels just pissed in the face of the originals.

The reason this trilogy fails is because they tried to make a book long enough for one movie into a trilogy, while cutting a huge amount of the original book.

*Man, everytime I see that scene of the ring being picked up out of the snow, such a super up close shot of the ring and Frodo in the background, I get a lil choad chub. It’s wild how such a tiny little snippet of a scene can just turn my cinematic mind on so hard. I haven’t seen lord of the rings in maybe a decade and maybe once or twice a month I feel compelled to say aloud “a great eye, lidless, wreathed in flame” rolling the Rs like he does in the film. Cause it’s the most fucking metal shit I’ve ever heard. That’s what Lord Of The Rings is to me. The Hobbit has nothing comparable in my daily life. Denny’s Hobbit Holes!*

@caronstout354

18 күн бұрын

Denny's Hobbit Holes..yet another failed movie/restaurant tie-in.

I seriously cant believe that Viggo Mortensen is now as old as Ian McKellen was when he was Gandalf. damn, time flies

@johnfoggjr2458

2 жыл бұрын

Aragon was 87 in LOTR.

@dogma9609

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnfoggjr2458 , i know...but..that has nothing to do w my comment. Im talking about the actors and how time flies. not how old the characters were in the books

@PowerfulSniff

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnfoggjr2458 yeah and Taft was the fattest president, so what?

@sweetnerevarr4169

2 жыл бұрын

@@PowerfulSniff Representation matters! /s

@peterpain6625

2 жыл бұрын

@@PowerfulSniff And little donald was the daftest, so what?

That river barrel scene sums up the diabolical fuck up of the series by Peter Jackson. Now, where’s Tatiana?

@nolanduarte

3 жыл бұрын

Is that where the budget went?

@rjofusetsudzin8011

3 жыл бұрын

@@nolanduarte No that would be Smaug. Say what you want about the series but the dragon was fucking sick.

@chucksenhowzen9740

3 жыл бұрын

@@rjofusetsudzin8011 it was one of the few positives from the trilogy, and a solid performance by Dr. Strange

@noroses4you

3 жыл бұрын

And they topped it off with Legolas jumping on a falling bridge in the third one lol

@rjofusetsudzin8011

3 жыл бұрын

@@chucksenhowzen9740 Yes up to this date greatest dragon ever appeared on screen. Closely followed by Sean Connery´s Draco from Dragonheart. Also I love how Sherlock and Watson meet again in Hobbit trilogy.

Respectfully some of your issues (some) seem to be with the book The Hobbit itself and some of the plot details. With that said, many of your points are right on.

When you really think about it, these movies really didn’t do a lot right at all. Cramming in Legolas and band of orcs from Dol Guldor was completely pointless. Orcs are only mentioned as sort of a hand-wave threat in the book until The Battle of Five Armies and Legolas isn’t even in the book at all. Not to mention the mind numbingly idiotic idea of trying to throw a love triangle sub plot between a made up elf character, Legolas, and one of Thorin’s kin. I don’t necessarily mind putting in the sub plot with Gandalf and the White Counsel investigating Sauron’s return but it didn’t really need to be there in the grand scheme of things. Or at least to the extent that it was shown in the movies. They could’ve used it in a similar way to how Gandalf explains the reason why he was delayed to Frodo in Fellowship. And Smaug I think was one of the only things the movie did surprisingly well, although I think they could’ve fleshed him and his motivations out more. Also, we needed way more screen time for Beorn, the best character in the book. He was so criminally underused in these movies. The pacing and look of the films I also agree was awful. And as for Martin Freeman’s portrayal of Bilbo, I liked it at the time when the movies came out, but I’ve backtracked on that myself especially after seeing some the other movies he’s in. He’s literally just playing himself and he adds no sense of nuance or adventure, or rebelliousness that Bilbo has in the book. He acts like he can’t quite believe that he’s even the star of the movie to begin with. Oh yeah, and the only other great thing is of course Andy Serkis as Gollum.

The "A director who should have moved on by now" is really, extremely unfair to Jackson. If you saw the "behind the scenes" interviews for The Hobbit movies, you will realize how hard of a position he was in. The movies were originally supposed to be filmed by Guillermo del Toro, but after a disagreement between Toro and the Studio regarding creative visions, Toro left the project. Jackson was picked as a last minute replacement, and he still took up the job. He advocated heavily however for 2 things: A year and a half of preproduction for the movie like he had for Lord of the Rings, and to make 2 movies instead of a trilogy (if he got his 2 movie request he would have at least gotten a year of preproduction). He didn't get neither, so he was tasked with the impossible venture of making a trilogy with no planning, no time, and very little source material. He was not sleeping at all during the production of the hobbit, he gained back all the weight he had lost because of stress, in the interviews you will see he has heavy eye bags and looks constantly dazed. The fact the movies are still somewhat entertaining and not a complete disaster is a testament to his skills as a director. The Studio is entirely to blame for the failures of The Hobbit, Jackson did his absolute best with what he was given.

@nhmooytis7058

3 жыл бұрын

I was not entertained I was either bored or angered.

@Pengalen

3 жыл бұрын

much as I like del Torro, I'm kinda glad he didn't wind up doing these. I just don't think they'd go with his style.

@tiaaaron3278

3 жыл бұрын

I think Critical was too drunk to do his research.

@nhmooytis7058

3 жыл бұрын

@@tiaaaron3278 why because he called out this execrable piece of garbage?

@tiaaaron3278

3 жыл бұрын

@@nhmooytis7058 No, because he knows jackshit about these movies' production details. Besides, he said nothing new.

On the other hand, here were some genuinely great things to come from The Hobbit Trilogy: 1. The Dwarves Song (musical gold) 2. Gollum (every scene he was in) 3. Smaug (what little we had of him) 4. Bilbo (Martin Freeman was perfect) 5. The scene where Bilbo and Gandolf sit together in silence after the battle and Gandolf smokes a pipe (much under appreciated scene)

@GunnarLindow

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@mohamedesfan5817

2 жыл бұрын

The ending too. One of the best.

@arcotroll8530

2 жыл бұрын

*Gan-DALF*

@Beowulf_93

2 жыл бұрын

But don't forget the best scene of all, wich Gandalf offers his green magic tabacco for the other wizard.

@tat2urface1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Beowulf_93 ​dur de dur, yep, that's the cumulation of meaning in this world or Middle Earth, the very epitomy of substance, the depth and grandeur of all that is right that define the meaning of life is that someone smoked pot. I cannot imagine the lack of anything resembling deep mature thought or a rational set of priorities coming from a mind like this. So you smoke a plant, your trophy for never growing out of a high school mentality and your deep need for validation of how cool you are by telling others about it is in the mail. People smoke shit, it's not impressive and it's even less impressive to talk about it and it's downright embarrassing to bring it up to others as talking points for a fucking movie. Go watch Dude where's my car, leave the heavy lifting to someone else. And incidentally, it's "offers his green magic tobacco* to** the other wizard."

I dont think it was meant to equal the Ring trilogy but it was told in the same manner and had a good building world.

This is one of those movies I wish they'd do a special reduced cut rather than a special extended cut. Two movies or a long single movie

I've never understood why the dwarf leader and the "relationship dwarf" didn't even look like dwarves. They didn't have any dwarf characteristics. They seemed taller and more human-like than the other dwarves. And they seemed to be the only 2 to get any real screen time. Such wasted potential.

@eamonnholland5343

3 жыл бұрын

From the making-of content: They originally intended the dwarves to have more facial make-up like Gimli in TLotR but gradually pulled it back on most of the dwarves, with Thorin, Fili, and Kili being done the most. The explanation for Thorin's short beard was that he intentionally kept it short to honor the dwarves who lost their beards from dragon fire in the assault on Erebor by Smaug. In reality, it was probably to bring out the actor's face more. As for Fili and Kili, it was hand waved away as them being young. They also wanted to make Kili more attractive, so as to make the love triangle with Tauriel more believable, which is still pretty stupid in my opinion. Interestingly, Evangeline Lilly specifically requested that her character not be put into a love triangle like this when she accepted the role as Tauriel. For some reason, unknown to me, they reversed that decision and did reshoots to include it. There was clearly outside influence on the films, because if I remember correctly Peter Jackson only wanted to make 2 movies, not 3, and the reasoning for more money and greed is probably true.

@coloradospacegeek4226

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, go figure a Longbeard without a beard. The book talks of how long Thorin's beard was and how proud he was of it.

@xFirtewx

3 жыл бұрын

like they should be casted as human not dwarfs.

@matthiasthulman4058

3 жыл бұрын

@@eamonnholland5343 Odd that she would have predicted the love triangle thing. I wonder what made her make that specific stipulation

@samcochran8203

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthiasthulman4058 She knows Hollywood

One criticism I disagree with is smaugs motivations not being complex enough, Tolkien did not expand very much on his motivations either, however the implications in the lore are that he had come down from the north after the dwarves had become so rich they gained his attention, and he just came to murder and pillage and steal because that’s basically just how dragons be, Morgoth created dragons in angband to use in the war against elves and they’re supposed to be intelligent but greedy beyond measure, all that being said I don’t think smaug really needed a backstory beyond what he got, and in fact I felt besides the goofy action sequences he was involved in he was handled quite well, his voice and size were very well represented as well as his cunning and discerning mind, that’s just how I felt

@geechyguy3441

Жыл бұрын

In the Hobbit 2 when Thorin meets with Thranduil after he took them prisoner, Thranduil says "I warned your father of what forces his greed will summon" Considering Thranduil fought dragons before he probably knew that too much wealth attracts them

@melkor5599

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and at least in the book he left the mountain to hunt. Also stop blameing me, all i wantet was a talking pet lizzard. Im not responsible for Glaurungs offspring.

@Paremata

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing that Smaug is supposed to be a comparison to the Dwarfs especially Thorin who are completely focused on the treasure and the Oakenshield rather than their companionship.

@Orbzul

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I do feel that calling Smaug overly simplistic is a bit much. It's like saying the Balrog was bland and uninteresting because "the dwarves woke it up one day so it decided to kill all of them for some reason". I do feel that his motivation in destroying Laketown was better explained in the books, with him being frustrated with Bilbo and the Dwarves' repeated escapes and seeking somewhere to direct his anger, he decided that the people of the town were somehow behind the scheme to invade his mountain and take his treasure and that they had defied him as the "true king under the mountain".

@listrahtes

Жыл бұрын

Lets not forget this was a childrens book. It wasnt meant as a complex story like LOTR but a book children can relate. He just needed a big baddie that wasnt too frightening.

What made me angry with the hobbit films (aside from it having more filler than an anime) is how Bilbo's arc got side stepped with it. Another way to look at it is it made it possible for the rings of power.