I like how the Romulan pointed out how "all of this was supposed to have happened in 1992. I've been trapped here for 30 years!" WW3, according to TOS, happened in the 1990s. But, as she said "Its as if Time itself keeps correcting itself." So the even the "Prime Timeline" is malleable.

I adore that they deliberately called out the “everything is New York” trope

Anson Mount (Pike) just had a baby, so he was on paternity leave for the production of the first 3 episodes

Great Review, guys! The Romulan agent, while she has La'an at gunpoint, offhandedly says some truly franchise changing information. She tells La'an that not only have her associates been continually trying to hold back human events, but that time itself has been pushing back and reasserting itself by eventually making sure that key events do happen, even if they don't happen when the TOS/TNG/Prime timeline has recorded them happening. The result of this revelation is that, now, any change in aesthetics and function regarding technology, ship and uniform design, and order of events can simply be blamed on the Temporal Cold War'esque agents changing things. In short, since the timeline is always in flux, there is no actual Prime timeline anymore. Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk. Lol

@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond

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Yep, and i love it as an explanation. They found an explanation that is based on TNG, DS9, Voyager and especially Enterprise. There are still people moaning, saying it confirms their conspiracy theories about the timeline. Probably fans of Midnight's Edge or some of the other Trek fan channels which somehow missed all the progressive stuff in every incarnation of the franchise, and now woman with short hair equals bad... They never seem to realise that if the same explanation for the more malleable timeline was given by Terry Matalas, they'd accept it immediately. But SNW is still "woke Trek" to them. Honestly i think it's pathetic that some of them are using this episode as proof of their bullshit. And using it to justify their hatred of the current era's aesthetics. This is the prime timeline. It's just a little more malleable than first realized. Likely because of the temporal wars. It's not SNW that delayed when Khan arrived, remember when Voyager went to the 90s, zero mention of any kind of eugenics war. Same when Sisko went back to the sanctuary district. No mention of Khan then either. So clearly things have been in flux since Burman at the very least.

@Miguel_Mor

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@@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond Agreed! Excellent points!

When La'an walked on to the bridge when she got back you see Pelia have that recognition of wait, I remember you.

When she left the gun in Khan's room I was thinking of the Butterfly Effect. Did he use the gun to escape & was the assassination attempt the trigger for his extremism?

Khan is "Khanadian" :)

The Star Trek Universe introduced the Temporal police (I forgot what they're called in the show), but the idea is that they monitor Time as it's supposed to play out and "police" situations when it has been unnaturally altered. This was first introduced in Voyager (with the Time Ship Relativity) and explored further in Enterprise. The basic idea is, little things don't alter Time, but big things can and do - especially by factions who have learned how to manipulate it - so there's a division of Star Fleet that exists to try and keep it in check. The bottom line is also that if you've watched all of the Star Trek series, you have seen temporal agents recruiting Star Fleet crew on a few occasions to "fix the time line". So this is nothing new, and shouldn't feel like a random mystery. I guess what I'm saying is, for me this is enough of an explanation on the rules of time travel, and I really don't need any more!

Despite the general impression of Kirk, canonically, he is an excellent planner, and in TOS beat Spock at chess regularly. It's implied* that his impulsive reputation comes from planning out various options and then playing it off as "on the fly." * So, take this with a grain of salt

In the trailer for the season Kirk says "I'm from space" and I was about to be annoyed because "No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space" But when this episode aired I loved that it was actually a play on that line since that Kirk was in fact from space.

This one felt like a full on movie. Really enjoyed it

Pelia would most definitely be able to remember these events. The only timeline that got destroyed was Kirk's - but the timeline containing Pelia is the regular SNW timeline, which was restored by La'an killing the Romulan agent

Definitely a Gary Seven moment from TOS, of which I think he was a member of that future Temporal Displacement department. He too needed to stop something from happening that would have changed TOS future

The first and only time in 800+ episodes of Trek that a Tim Horton's coffee cup makes an appearance :) And yes, poutine has gravy.

Star Trek has already state that different universes have different resonance frequencies Timelines, on the other hand, are in the same universe. If time is changed, then that reality subsequently changes after that moment, as if it never happened (Voyager's "Time and Again" is a perfect example.)

I feel like Trek either A) knocks single-episode time travel out of the park or B) it feels like they just needed something that didn't matter & hopefully it's a fun predicament. When it goes well, it's always for character reasons, which is what this one did beautifully IMO. Unusually great job of bottling up the complexities of time travel, too -- They kept it very simple in terms of her mission being to collapse the timeline she visited, meaning there's no butterfly effect. The Pelia thing is fun, but unless her people are Q-adjacent (rather than just exceptionally long-lived), that Pelia disappeared as well. She'd remember Khan's era, so La'an would be of interest to her upon first meeting. But the wink they're doing kinda serves the secondary theme of painfully overestimating one's ability to truly comprehend & take responsibility for the past.

The mirror dimension in Star Trek is actually alternate universe and not same time line.

Your shirt reminded me of a plot pitch I have. Paramount is sitting on the IP of Captain Proton. Think of Tom and Harry's holodeck excursions as fanfiction. Animated, black and white. 50s-70s animation style, humor. Season 4 titled NOW IN COLOR. Because of course Tom would be olde skool. Trek proper could release on Thursday. Captain Proton could release Monday for the kids.

captain proton!!!

Really liked this one, i thought it was a super interesting take on the baby hitler dilemma

Star Trek time travel episodes are fun but a headache to think about. They always feel like they did more damage to the timeline than actually save.

The title of your channel is inviting for families but you guys drop F bombs left and right. Not so good for kids to watch. I want to tell my nieces and nephews to watch you guys but can’t their mom won’t allow the curse words. Just some friendly feedback.

@ChibiHoshiDragon

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How is the title of their channel in any way imply family friendly? To me it was the opposite. They aren't worried about impressing a girl or fear offending one, as they have already succeeded in finding someone to have their children. AND they will be all alone in the videos. No wives to provide the common sense or encourage filters to be engaged. This is the literal equivalent of: Going fishing with the bestie. NOT going to be kid friendly. Dad's don't have the time TO do an extra curricular activity and still be polite and police themselves. After working, dealing with the kids, maybe even helping in the kitchen and cleaning, and being nice for the wife; This is their buddy buddy time; where they let loose. WHO wants to also police themselves when with their friend and they don't have to? I not only expected cussing, l expected some crude jokes and slips of sexual comments too.