Ok, I can't show this to my wife. I told her Terra Prime was the series finale and she lives a happy life

@seancatoe1304

2 ай бұрын

Yep. Better to live in ignorance.

@Lordoftheapes79

2 ай бұрын

Priceless.

@slinkerdeer

2 ай бұрын

The things Men do for their Wives

@steveleeart

2 ай бұрын

I think if they ever want to revisit ENTERPRISE, future writers should just completely ignore THESE ARE THE VOYAGES and write it off as just a TNG episode that got history wrong or reacted to whatever Riker needed to figure his life out… act as though TERRA PRIME were the last time we’d seen them.

@timbert4672

2 ай бұрын

I’ve always called Terra Prime the true ending, right from when the show ended I’ve called it such.

I have always felt that “The Inner Light” was a missed opportunity for Picard the gain a better understanding and tolerance of children. He had lived an entire lifetime as a husband, father, and grandfather. Something as profound as having a family and friends who loved him as much as they did should have had a profound effect on him. Consider what was done to O’Brien serving a twenty year prison term in his head alone. But by the next episode, it was Picard as usual.

@jonathanmarkoff4469

Ай бұрын

It was typical for episodes like this to be followed by a silent reset button.

No Relics?! “We’ve discovered a Dyson sphere. A friggin’ Dyson sphere! But let’s focus on Scotty.” Not saying the episode isn’t good, but the back drop shouldn’t have been such a huge (literally and figuratively) scientific phenomenon.

@chrisj2848

2 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more 👍

@gregcorwin8316

2 ай бұрын

It's a Dyson sphere, only the most important discovery of the entire franchise and never mentioned again.

@MishraArtificer

2 ай бұрын

Given their focus on "Second Contact" scenarios in the early days of the show, I think that Dyson Shell would be a cool basis for a new episode of Lower Decks...

@DonaldHolben

2 ай бұрын

Yeah that's a big waste.

@dellytancyl524

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, saving Scotty and LaForge was pretty important, the real tragedy here is the fact that wasn't a follow up episode to further study the sphere.

Given what happened in the episode, Voyager could have just done warp 10 to get back home, all the crew would have salamandered, and the doctor would have 'reverted them back to normal' without any further side effects

@Astrorenity

2 ай бұрын

I agree

@raymondcanessa7208

2 ай бұрын

Or put the crew in stasis pods.

@derekbass2966

2 ай бұрын

That was always my problem with Voyager: it felt like 'Gilligan's Island in space', because you knew whatever potential way home they found couldn't work or the show was over. Two Qs want you to settle a disagreement between them and you can't figure out a way to use that to get home? Seriously?

@Astrorenity

2 ай бұрын

@@derekbass2966 remember Q(John) offered Janeway a quick snap of the fingers and the ship would be home. She turned it down

@GSBarlev

2 ай бұрын

I'm remembering "False Profits" how they miss entering the Barzan wormhole by seconds and Janeway just goes, "Welp, that sucks. Moving on." Or "Future's End" where Braxton won't take them back to Earth even after Voyager saves the 29th century, and she goes, "Perfectly understandable. Have a nice day." Or "Scorpion" when Janeway could have just demanded use of a transwarp conduit. Or...

Because of Riker playing Chef in "These Are the Voyages...", I prefer to believe that's what Chef actually looks like.

@virginiaconnor8350

2 ай бұрын

Maybe. I didn't like it when he froze the holo programme just so he could kiss T'Pol.

We do not talk about These are the voyages...

I have always said, if what became the Enterprise Series Finale had been the second to last episode instead, it'd likely be one of the most beloved episodes due to the crossover. But ending the series as a holodeck episode for another series, it really was a middle finger to everyone. Or to quote Shakespeare, "I do not bite my thumb at you, sir... but I do bite my thumb, sir."

@Kinvarus1

2 ай бұрын

I've said the same thing too. Would have been perfectly fine as the penultimate episode of the series, just not the last.

@mattwho81

2 ай бұрын

It wasn’t meant to be a series finale, but a franchise finale. The producers thought Star Trek was done. They wanted to tie it all together… it didn’t work.

I so wish Voyager had had whiteboards with every single crewmember, shuttle, torpedo etc listed and crossed off as they were used, and added to as they were acquired or manufactured. Something as simple as just about anyone walking up to just about anyone else in the mess hall and asking "How the shuttle construction coming?" would have made such a difference.

The tension between the new Alpha Jem’Hadar and the original Gammas, as seen in One Little Ship, could’ve been a great longer term storyline. Maybe to go as far as open hostilities between them causing fractures in the Dominion. Shame it didn’t go anywhere.

@jimmygoodrich9590

2 ай бұрын

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It'd be cool if Garry Seven was made now as a period piece of the 1960's IMO. Stupid expensive but a Trek show set in the 60's would be my jam.

@jaybee9269

2 ай бұрын

Did you hear about the Tartantino Star Trek that hasn’t happened? THAT would have been cool!

@quebulyon

2 ай бұрын

That would be great.

@UninvitedGhost

2 ай бұрын

That would be amazing and I think would be a lot of people’s jam but would never ever get made.

There was the Voyager eps. Dragon Teeth where they were supposed to be a new adversary for the crew but it went nowhere.

@alejandronopasanada5302

2 ай бұрын

That could have been a great arc and it certainly was interesting.

@GabePuratekuta

2 ай бұрын

STO made it go somewhere. Because they aren't cowards.

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

Year of Hell too. They could have made that a season long arc, WITHOUT the temporal shenanigans.

I honestly thought “the burn” was going to have them searching for “Po’s” synthetic dilithium formula. It would have made since that it would be lost or the world somehow disguising itself or moving to protect itself. The other thing that made me mad when they renamed the ship Enterprise. What they should have done was introduce an Enterprise class of Starship.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

Yes they Should've made a new ship the enterprise and make it a new class. And let the Titan A be the Titan A

@TrekkerUK

2 ай бұрын

That made me so mad as well! The Titan was great and after helping to save the whole Federation it getting renamed felt like a huge insult to the ship. I think a much better ending, with the same idea, would be to have the brand new flagship Odyssey class Enterprise F reveal then - instead of the weird cameo appearance when it's about to be decommissioned.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

@@TrekkerUK Also the Titan was a Name important enough to warrant a Titan - A. And then they just rename it enterprise. I really hope they commissioned a Titan b afterward I actually do understand what terry matalas was going for, which somehow makes this worse. Because it got the Name for Nostalgia bait.

@raymondcanessa7208

2 ай бұрын

Enterprise G should have been Galaxy X

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

@@raymondcanessa7208 oh yeah like a remake Galaxy class.

The Burn also made no sense with everything since there were entire groups that didn't use Dilithium such as the Romulans who use Singularity cores rather than the Matter/Anti-Matter Cores most factions use.

@brookatkins8111

2 ай бұрын

Another classic example of kurtzman not knowing a damn thing about Trek

@Revkor

2 ай бұрын

then add in Prodigy where they have a star powered warp core. this is the big problem with current heads of trek. they can't even keep their own lore consistant

@QuintusAntonious

2 ай бұрын

Yeah the Burn explanation wasn't just a missed opportunity or bad, it was plain stupid.

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

EXACTLY. And the Borg who can use transwarp conduits. Quantum slipstream drives, the knowledge of which Voyager brought back. The Kelvan Empire's super-fast warp drives which could bring a Constitution class ship's engines up to warp 14 on the old scale. Etc etc.

@easymodegamer501

2 ай бұрын

@@damianjblackActually, not as bad as all that, Quantum Slipstream and Transwarp Conduits were both addressed as having issues of their own (if I remember correctly, transwarp conduits were clogged with debris and fuel for Quantum Slipstream was even harder to come by than Dilithium) and TOS did a lot of stuff with warp travel that basically got retconned and it’s possible that Romulan singularity cores might have gotten phased out at some point due to safety or environmental concerns, but that really should have been addressed.

The Iconians. Two episodes referenceing their technological advancement and they get relegated to being the over-arching antagonists in Star Trek Online.

@maximuz05

2 ай бұрын

Star Trek Online does the Iconians great justice

@GSBarlev

2 ай бұрын

My concern is that we're about to get some payoff with _Discovery's_ final season. I Stan _DSC_ but being in the 32nd century means they have a unique opportunity to introduce concepts completely unbound by the limits of canon.

@thePsiMatrix

2 ай бұрын

@@maximuz05But as a player-driven story; you can only experience it playing STO. Which is also a shame as they connect as lot of disjointed live-action episodes including the 'Dyson Sphere' and those subspace aliens that took crewmembers away becoming their underlings. And even Sela plays her part in the campaign.

It always gets me that Gary Seven was supposed to be American Doctor Who. He even has a sonic screwdriver!

@GeekFilterNet

2 ай бұрын

Fun fact: the sonic screwdriver premiered in Doctor Who on March 16, 1968 and the servo in Assignment Earth premiered on March 29, 1968. The first draft of the Star Trek episode was November 1966 and I don’t know what kind of lead time that Doctor Who had but I can’t imagine there was two years between the writing of the Doctor Who script and it airing- so Star Trek may have actually been first!

@seantlewis376

2 ай бұрын

That was definitely a wasted potential.

@thunderphoenix440

2 ай бұрын

@@GeekFilterNetHoly cow, I didn't know that. That's a really interesting fact!

It’s a real shame they didn’t bring the Vaadwaur back on Voyager. I definitely remember reading there were plans to, especially in the Season after Dragon’s Teeth. There was going to be a massive battle, Voyager would get heavily damaged and even Naomi Wildman’s Mum was going to get killed-off. Sadly, none of this ever happened, apart from a stolen Vaadwaur ship being one of the alien ships seen in “The Void”.

@Stay_at_home_Astronaut81

2 ай бұрын

They had cool uniforms.

Another thing about Threshold that makes no sense - okay, so going to warp 10 has some pretty serious biological drawbacks. But... it also has a CURE. They literally could have just jumped to warp 10, gotten home, and then started reversing the effects once they were done! Problem solved! I am one of the people who doesn't think Threshold is a total trash fire (RDM's performance is great, IMHO), but wow was that a wrongheaded approach...

@alejandronopasanada5302

2 ай бұрын

No, you’re right, it’s a huge plot hole.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

They noticed midway they wrote themselves in a corner so they added the "evolving plot" lest Paris really just dies of the effects. And we can't have that now can we.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

And yes Robert duncan mcNeil did great acting in that episode

@ericbuchner2982

2 ай бұрын

If I recall correctly, the shuttle came out of warp 10 in the same place it went in. So my headcannon is that warp 10 was a failure as a means of travel, you can go everywhere but you can't go anywhere.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

@@ericbuchner2982 in the moment of Paris' warp ten flight he was everywhere at once but nowhere at the same time. So that makes a lot of sense

Should have had a counter for how many times Brie said "Butt Bugs".

@brookatkins8111

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Contrary to popular belief.I thought insurrection was a really good film.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

IT's a fun Romp. No first contact Wrath of Khan or undiscovered country, but a fun film nonetheless.

@lisalouisekeen4191

2 ай бұрын

Likewise.

@mem1701movies

2 ай бұрын

@@keit99it was like a bad 2 part episode

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

@@mem1701movies I don't Think it was a "bad" Parter. Although I do Think it was like a 2parter.

@SnowyRVulpix

2 ай бұрын

It was a great movie. Not First Contact great, but still great

Threshold's story line was dropped because most ST fans want to ignore that the episode ever happened. Also, the Warp Scale has been revised several times over the past 58 years. Initially, it was just a multiple of light speed. That didn't last long, and became a square of light speed. Then it became a cube of light speed, then it became a logarithm with Warp10 being infinite speed. It has recently been revised again, such that in recent times, Warp13 is possible again. And then there is transwarp, a maguffin invented for the USS Excelsior in The Search for Spock. The whole franchise is science fantasy, so geeks like me who think about this too much avoid talking about it much with non-Trekkies.

@ericpode6095

2 ай бұрын

That might explain a TNG episode (the final one iirc) where a future Riker calls for "Warp 13".

@antney7745

2 ай бұрын

@@ericpode6095 "Warp 13" is easier to say than "Warp 9.9999999999999".

@Revkor

2 ай бұрын

I think in the end even the show runners admitted it was a bad idea

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

And transwarp is so inconsistent too. The Borg transwarp drive at first seems to be basically like a much faster warp drive: you turn it on and it takes you where you want to go. Then later it's a network of conduits like wormholes with fixed destinations. Makes no sense.

@seantlewis376

2 ай бұрын

@@damianjblack Yeah, it's whatever works for the writers that week.

That dangling nugget.....Imagine a moment where the Dominion or some big baddie attack the Federation, and fight until they are nearing defeat across a season of say Legacy, and during an obviously losing effort in a last stand a ship appears out of the blue "lower your shields and surrender your ships" scaring the heII out of the fleet commander, just before a hail comes in from queen Jurati. Going ALL out with a battle sequence saving the Federation, accepting Jurati's Borg faction application as a Federation member and insuring in the event if the Borg ever rise again or anyone gets froggy, Starfleet will have some TEETH.

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

That would have been really freaking cool.

"A bit borg-ed out" is the perfect description for my feelings.

To be fair, Jurati wasn't the only one that Picard just abandoned - Laris is still sat at a bar on Chaltok IV.

Ever wonder what would have happend if Delenn and her fleet had stepped in at Wolf 359? Delenn (to the Borg) - "Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari Fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your biological and technological distinctiveness BE-SOMEWHERE-ELSE", Borg - "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH".

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

The Borg could have assimilated the Vorlons. Unlike Species 8472, their organic ships did NOT seem to be resistant to a bunch of stuff.

I want more of the Jurati Borg!

@veggiet2009

2 ай бұрын

Me too. It's funny that the majority opinion seems to be bringing back the classic Borg in season 3 was the right move, but I think that was kind of a waisted potential in it's own way. An intriguing plot about changeling's was quickly put to rest in favor of cramming the og Queen and human-turned-Borg into the last two episodes, leaving me feeling rushed and somewhat underwhelmed. While the Jurati Borg, the ally, friendly Borg is fresh new and unexplored. I think both could have made a good full season, if you're going to bring back the threat of the old Borg, why wait till almost the last two episodes? Or just continue with Jurati as friendly, maybe play them out as anti-hero Borg

@jaimebabb9968

2 ай бұрын

@@veggiet2009 Honestly, the stuff with the OG Borg ruined the final season for me. Why bother setting up Vadic's backstory as being rooted in secret war crimes committed by the Federation if you're not going to do anything with it? Also, I feel like it completely throws out what was actually scary about the OG Borg by making the Queen out to be a literal cackling supervillain who somehow can't reproduce the technology in Jack's brain for her eeeevil plan.

@Revkor

2 ай бұрын

not happening. the reason it was dropped because show runner change because guess what .PICARD SUCKS AS A SHOW.

@jaimebabb9968

2 ай бұрын

@@Revkor And yet, I want more Jurati Borg.

@alotofmilesfromhome

2 ай бұрын

​@Revkor imagine typing this and posting it.

You seem to have forgotten yesterday’s Enterprise from TNG ! It could have been a cinematic masterpiece in the Star Trek movie catalogue.

@daveroche6522

2 ай бұрын

Didn't Quentin T. express an interest in having a go at it a few years ago? T'wud have been EPIC...... "Describe John Luc Picard", "WHAT?" THUMP! "DESCRIBE JOHN LUC PICARD! DOES HE LOOK LIKE A Q?" "WHAT? NO. I.....I.....I" "SAY "WHAT" ONE MORE TIME TRIBBLESHIT - DESCRIBE-WHAT-JOHN-LUC-PICARD-LOOKS-LIKE....." Magic!

@Stay_at_home_Astronaut81

2 ай бұрын

That would have been an interesting movie.

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

@@daveroche6522"The path of the righteous Klingon is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the Romulans and the tyranny of the House of Duras!"

How about the mystery of the baby enterprise from the vermiform city episode?

@antney7745

2 ай бұрын

I hope the crew of the Cerritos encounters it at some point in the future. It sounds like something they might come across.

@QBCPerdition

2 ай бұрын

​@antney7745 maybe it's grown up and is looking for a mate...like the Cerritos. Sounds right up LD's alley

Voyager was an entire series that wasted an incredible premise. It just became a TNG clone. Hell, they even ran into another Starfleet vessel, Klingons and Ferengi. Had a show set in a recreation of Starfleet Academy. Neelix was never the sage Delta quadrant scout. Just a baby sitter and bad cook.

Remember how they found an exact duplicate of Earth in "Miri"? An exact physical duplicate in every way right down to the shapes of continents? An absolutely incredible discovery by anyone's standards? Or, remember the time the Kelvans modified the Enterprise to where it could traverse the distance to the Andromeda Galaxy in "only" a few centuries?

Voyager’s whole series kind of wasted the premise. It’s ironic because DS9 showed that serial storytelling was possible even though it was setup for syndication while Voyager was the first to be exclusive to a network and it could have really taken advantage of the serial format

I'm still bitter that Picard Season 2 dumped all the cast just to reboot the show for a TNG reunion.

Gary 7 woulld still make a great premise.

The problem with bringing back the conspiracy bugs is that it's too similar to the Changelings infiltrating Starfleet in DS9. In fact, the Founders did it on an even larger scale, infiltrating other races to cause chaos and war. Plus, Stargate came out after Conspiracy, so there's already an entire show where the main villains are mind controlling parasites.

@antney7745

2 ай бұрын

Or as we call them, The Trill.

@Renegade2786

2 ай бұрын

The original concept of *Conspiracy* was used in *Homefront/Paradise Lost*

Good morning, Voyager was a cute idea

#7 -- Not just the lack of ANY dramatic tension between Maquis and Star Fleet personnel (save Seska), but in the Equinox 2-parter, Voyager takes on several crewman who were stripped of rank. Never heard from again.

To kick in a little bit of funbalance - there IS the one myself and my eldest still use.... ... Worf - "Captain - I object - I AM NOT A MERRY MAN". Flaweless!

No one who’s a fan of TAS would’ve created Very Short Treks. He can say he’s a fan all he wants but… No. you didn’t even make fun of the right things. They acted like the audio was recorded on a gramophone or something. No it was a network television show even though it was 1973 it still had, you know, clear audio. OK I’m gonna go punch a wall or something now. 😂

When thinking about how The Travellers could could come back at anytime, I feel the same way about Sisko (plus DS9 was lacking in episodes with wasted Premise). Sisko's final moments in DS9 leave everything to question. Because of the nature of The Prophets, Ben could pop up, literally, anywhere or anywhen and I feel it's about time for a cameo somewhere in the Trek Universe.

"Fury" was character assassination. I still hate that episode so much. They could have explained it with someone brainwashing Kes, oder meddling with her in another way. They could have kept it in the present, making it a more heartfelt Tuvok-Kes story of him connecting to her true self, helping her find a way. Heck, they could have even brought her back, but make her a guest star instead. By that time, Seven was more than well integrated enough for that to not matter a bit. Such a wasted opportunity and sadly mirroring in a way to what happened to the actress.

My problem with Threshold is that The Doctor was able to reverse the effects on Janeway and Paris. It was so incredibly easy and mundane that it was done off screen during a commercial break with presumably little time passing on the ship. So if it was that easy to reverse the effects, then just Warp 10 yourselves back home and let The Doctor, who would be unaffected by the "evolution" change everyone back. Simple.

Flint's or Roger Korby's androids would have made Data look obsolete in any Trek timeline.

Actually the cause of the burn is really good on a deeper level when you really think about it. It's the result of cause and effect of manipulating time. Remember if not for the Red Angels interference the Kaminar would not have became spacefaring but would have stayed enslaved most likely with Saru being the only one to ever leave. Discovery's and Burnham's (Red Angel) manipulating time caused the burn.

@Revkor

2 ай бұрын

no just dumb idea.

I think when Sisco went back in time to the height of the civil rights era as a sci fi writer. Would have been a cool spin off. Is that where he went after the last episode of DS9? He did say he could be back yesterday. Stories could be flash forwards to the Star Trek era with the stories being social commentary of civil rights ear through time would have been a great premise.

I hate the ending to Enterprise so damn much 😅

Warp 9.9 sustainable wasn't possible back then because at the time Voyager/the Intrepid class was the most advance ship in Starfleet at the time and she could cruise at Warp 9.975 for about 13 hours before she would have to slow down. But even then there's nothing that could have stopped them from once or twice a season cruising at 9.975 for those 13 hours, drop to a lower speed until they could do it again and just repeat the process, which while not sustained would still have decreased their overall journey timie significantly. The idea of the Warp Scale at that point was more that every single numerical jump was an exponential leap for in speed in comparison to the points between 9 and 10. That's not to add into that transwarp etc which isn't tech that The Federation had at the time, but other species, like The Borg had, and they no doubt got it from a race that they had assimiliated. Speaking of the Borg, while I do believe they were overused on Voyager, I honestly think the worst thing that happened to them on Voyager was that they were meant to be the Big Bad of Trek that took entire factions to unify in order to even stand the slighest chance of beating, but Voyager managed to beat them numerous times all by themselves on the Borg's home ground, eventually ending up with Janeway killing the Borg Queen, which in theory should have ended them. I also feel like Voyager would have been a great series to close out the Conspiracy ark. It was said at the end of the episode that they sent a message into deep space, well that message could have been the Delta Quadrant and you could of had Janeway and the crew deal with it, as from the Alien's perspective they know where Earth is and while the original invasion was halted by Picard and the crew of the Enterprise, here's another Federation ship alone in their part of space, if they could take that over and get back to Earth, there would be functions where the crew would be paraded around, perfect opportunity to start it up again but they never did it. Off screen, the DS9 relaunch novels had them be offshoot variants of The Trill and in Star Trek Online they were created by the Iconiians to control the Vaadwaar, another race that should have had a follow up on Voyager but never were. As for the Enterprise finale, I've always said that that episode would have been perfectly fine had it been the penultimate episode of the series and not the actual finale. I think if they had done that, people would have been far more receptive to it, instead of it being the final ever episode of the show.

The burn doesn't make sense! That would mean the Romulans would have still had warp drive. They don't use DL crystals.

I kind of disagree with the Burn. Personally, I think what they were aiming for, that the Burn was a tragic accident is far more interesting conceptually than if it had been an enemy act or something. Personally, while I do think it could've been executed much better the principle behind it was interesting.

@GSBarlev

2 ай бұрын

💯. It's so much better on second watch, and I think that speaks to the creative team being so immersed in writing that they failed to take a step back and consider if all of their grand idea was being adequately set up and delivered.

The doomsday device, the Kelvins and the other TOS folks that came from an other galaxy seemed like a missed opportunity. There was a supposed disaster in the other galaxy(ies) causing them to migrate to the Milky Way. Was it the dooms day device, or some other force?

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

The Peace of the Totality.

I'll go with Non Sequitur, the episode where Harry gets mysteriously home. There's no sign of any conflict in him, no explanation about why the kid who wanted to go home suddenly wants to go back. And given that they never did anything of value with the character, this would have been a decent way to eliminate him.

@antney7745

2 ай бұрын

Why didn't Harry just, y'know, EXPLAIN the situation to *literally* *anyone* in Starfleet? No need to steal an experimental shuttle that is somehow both still in the design stage and has a working prototype (wtf?) but would have been a great thing for the science department to investigate, too.

@QBCPerdition

2 ай бұрын

He wants to go back because he feels guilty that he gets to be home but his friend from before Voyager is now stuck out there, while his other friend, Tom Paris, never got to be redeemed. It's literally all explained in the episode.

@oddish4352

2 ай бұрын

@@antney7745 And he could ask any Vulcan capable of the job to mind meld with him, to verify that he spoke the truth.

There was an episode of TNG where the discover a wrecked ship with just one survivor, a young boy. The boy is afraid he was responsible for the destruction of his own ship. But in the end, the boy shares an observation with Data that allows Data to realize the mistake the wrecked ship made, ond this saves The Enterprise. I wished they had included a line from Picard to the Boy. "Well, it seems not only were you not responsible for the destruction of your ship, but you just saved this ship from suffering the same fate.

I think, Voyager overall wasted a lot on the "we have limited resources" premise.

The Enterprise finale would have been a great ordinary episode (with some minor tweaking). The problem was, it was the finale. Also agree w/ the Short Treks (I hope they return under someone who actually understands the assignment) and everything "Picard". We can all agree season 3 of Picard was the best one, but it would be nice to pull something good out of seasons 1&2, and there's at least something there to work with.

@jaybee9269

2 ай бұрын

The Mirror Universe two-parter was the real finale of Enterprise.

Chakotay SOCKING THE FIRE outta that Maquis dude in Voyager's "Learning Curve" cracks me up everytime😂

The vaadwaur, iconians, warp 5 limit, Tom Riker, the romulan officer assigned to the Defiant, the Equinox surviving crew, bullets killing borg.

When I first saw DSC S3, the two things I was thinking were, "the Borg don't need to use conventional warp drives, why didn't they assimilate the galaxy?" and, "the Romulans don't use the same kind of warp engines, why were they also affected?" Picard s2 and s3 answered the question about the Borg, by basically wiping them out. Still don't know the answer to the Romulan question though. Why didn't they share the singularity drive?

"One day we will map the human genome. At that point human intelligence will have come to it's pinnacle. Humanity will then become master of its own destiny to control anything about nature itself!!!" Well that day came and went 20 years ago and it didn't change anything.

@alejandronopasanada5302

2 ай бұрын

One day, rich people will pay mid level people to find out and tell us things we will use against the poor as they wonder who Taylor Swift is voting for.

I still am hoping that Transwarp conduit is related to either the Iconians or the Kelvans. I really wish more of Picard Season Two had been focused there.

@keit99

2 ай бұрын

I wish S2 would habe been entirely different. (It really was the worst picard season)

@jaimebabb9968

2 ай бұрын

Apparently the writers had no plan for what it was related to (but I'm going to say either the Kelvans or the Higher Synthetics)

SF Debris pointed out that Kes' ascension in Borg space could have alerted them to the existence of the Ocampa and resulted in their assimilation. Then her sacrificing the Voyager crew would have been a desperate attempt to save her people. Instead we got "she's just crazy".

AS for Learning Curve, I never got the impression that the divergence of intense opinion about the merits of effectively continuing the war against the Cardassians pitted Maquis and Starfleet personnel against each other on a personal level. Perhaps the extended time on a ship with relatively relaxed rules made adapting to Voyager rules a bit stressful, but Learning Curve made clear that the animosity was against Tuvok's harsh discipline rather than any kind of rage against those who were presumed guilty of collaborating with the 'dirty beast' Cardassians. IF there had been a Cardassian in board, especially if s/he had been an officer there would have been an engaging protracted conflict...

"wasn't ready for her transformation" - if that was part of Ocampan evolution I can understand that.....but Kes (perhaps naively in her youth) did say she wanted to go with Voyager in "Caretaker" and to his credit, Tuvok did later try to provide some guidance when her telekinetic/telepathic powers started presenting themselves, but he found himself out of his depth eventually.

11:13 - The season finale of Enterprise was fixed in the novels, and I think really well. The setup is basically Jake Sisko uncovers records of what actually happened, showing Riker's holodeck simulation was intentionally misleading - and Trip didn't die. His death was faked so he could go on a long-term undercover mission.

Some things just don't work out. Sadly.

The narration/audio editing here really giving off ‘read by a computer voice vibes…’

@antney7745

2 ай бұрын

That's just Brie's delivery, and one of the reasons we love her.

Voyager as a series was a wasted premise. Instead of chasing Maquis into the Badlands, they should have been hunting down some kind of scanner anomaly, something resembling a cloaked ship. Once on the other side of the galaxy, we'd find out that it was a Romulan ship. The three Romulans would have to join up with the Starfleet ship since their small spy ship would never make it home on its own. There would be far more conflict amongst the crew for a while, but there would be change. The Romulan captain would become Voyager's second-in-command, and he'd start hanging out with Tuvok and learning about their Vulcan heritage. They would stick to the concept of limited amounts of supplies like Photon Torpedoes and shuttles, so they'd have to use the Romulan ship's cloaking device on Voyager to get them out of scrapes. There was an episode where Janeway had a terminal illness and was put in stasis only to be brought out close to the end of the episode with no mention about her illness ever again, this time put her in until they get back to Earth. Put the Romulan in command, get him to start doing things the Federation way and thereby understand humanity better. He'd also start using Vulcan training to purge his emotions. The Romulan crew would be drastically changed people by the time they get back to the Alpha Quadrant.

I'm convinced the Blue Gills are what inspired the Yerks in Animorphs, so at least it didn't go fully nowhere.

Assignment: Earths' premise was that Earth people had been abducted and trained for 6,000 years. Could tie in with alien abduction stories we have heard over the past few decades

3:00 - The bugs were originally supposed to be the first wave of the Borg. Before they were officially introduced, the Borg were going to be insectoid and not cybernetic.

I had a sort of fan theory that a traveler was Wesley's father which explains why he got along with the traveler in several episodes of TNG and was very smart for his age

The beauty of the non-canon Star Trek novels they take some of those story lines and give them a nice twist. The DS9 novel Unity by S. D. Perry, states that the aliens from conspiracy are natural enemies of the Trill symbionts, they do a take over of Bajor and at the same time bring the Jem'Hadar that disappeared in the wormhole during Sacrifie of Angels. It was a good story I know its not canon but it also brought Odo and Sisko back to DS9. Sorry about the spoiler

The set-up in Defiant is one of the most wasted set-ups ever done on DS9. There should have been a prison break, a shock execution or a prison skeleton in season 6 or 7.’ The fate of Thomas is especially annoying when Kira promised to help him further down the Line.

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

He was probably executed when Cardassia joined the Dominion.

I have head canon theory that T'Kon and Iconia are the same (Ticon). Or specifically later is distorted version of the descendent. At the same time there is a lot of proves that Progenitors and Preservers are just different faction of Iconians. Who attempted to preserve culture in different way. First terraformed countless planets to M standard, seeding it with life what should develop similar form as them. When the later collected and stored in own (and by extend everyone) DNA knowledge about lost cultures. I personally believe that Sphere Builders also were Iconians, just at the time paralel version was created due to possible creator conflict with Lary Niven. But seriously. Kzinti and Xindi are extremely similar in promise.

I agree, Threshold is a wasted idea but could have been explored more (if you take the "evolution" stuff out of the equation.) Janeway missed opportunities; even "Q" offered them a quick trip back home, but she refused. They missed additional opportunities to develop further things like Quantum Slipstream (after learning from their mistakes in "Timeless"). And then there's Transwarp. Maybe they could have built a fleet of shuttles, enough to house the entire crew compliment, if they couldn't adapt Transwarp to Voyager itself. But...in the end transwarp got them home anyway. I think even a repetition of the Traveller idea from "Where No one has gone before" could have been used, but perhaps a "there's no place like home" thought was a bit too cliched.

I had always assumed the bugs from conspiracy were simply reconceived as the borg.

I don't have anything specific in mind, but given the fanatically episodic nature of the Original Series, I bet you could do a whole video on wasted premises just from those three seasons. Or, on the other hand, considering how silly some of those episodes were, maybe not.

Moriarty was completely wasted in Picard.

I think the Bluegills was the first attempt to introduce a new villain species into the TNG franchise but the _Conspiracy_ episode did not achieve the desired result and so the Borg were then created and they went on to be much more successful, of course.

The Enterprise episode "Dear Doctor" could have been an opportunity to show the real consequences of interfering in a world's development which would lead to the prime directive. Say, Phlox gives the cure to the Valakians, and they indeed become the superior race and enslave the Menk. About a year later, Enterprise returns and finds out how badly the Menk are being treated then realize their mistake which leads to the formation of the prime directive.

The burn was so stupid.

I'd definitely like to see Star Trek Legacy happen and tie up those loose ends during it's run. Along with Jiradi's borg, I think Westley needs a proper ending. I've had this holodeck episode in my head where Jack is going thru old logs with TNG footage of his family turned holodeck program. At the end, he asks the computer to simulate what Westley would look like now, then ends the program with Wil Weaton remaining and just says, "Hey Bro." as the episode ends. I know it's kind of out of charater for Westley, but it would totally be on brand for Wil Weaton. 😂

I hope they try short treks again with a different spin

The Relics could create entire season. And Conspiracy - the whole new show. Send expedition fleet, like 4-6 ships to investigate who take over half of Starfleet command!

"These are the Voyages..." could have been fine as Enterprise's finale, but I don't know that it really needed the Riker/Deanna witnessing the historical events via holodeck. Why not just have the signing of the Federation Charter as just that.

Some of the mid season jankisodes are legendary

I think the short treks but for a different reason, the potential for the expansion and further development of all Star Trek characters and plots is and was there. Think about the sulu show that never came, but an excelsior short trek could had be awesome, worf doing some soul searching, Jake doing some investigative journalism, harry kim trying to fit back into a new command , captain Bateson and the Bozeman fitting into a new time. So many missed opportunities that could had been developed and never seems to have crossed creative minds.

Wasting a good premise is, I feel, more frustrating than episodes that are just strange or just 'meh' in idea. Honestly, I would personally say that you could call all of Star Trek Voyager as wasting an incredible premise. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Star Trek Voyager and there are some excellent episodes and storylines, but they never truly made full use of the premise, with the ship so often magically fixed by the start of the next episode, long gaps between dealing with the sense of longing and missing home and the sadness and weight that comes with that, no dealing with the complicated ethics that would come along with NEEDING supplies and resources, and looking for a way home, but wrestling with the desire to protect their ideals and far too many 'lets take a break or a detour and explore' episodes. The decision to strand them in the Delta Quadrant should have created a massive rift between the crew, as should the Starfleet/Maquis divide (and not necessary in so clearly drawn lines) but even that is most ignored after the pilot, unless it was needed for a little drama once or twice a season. Again, Voyager is great, but I find watching it a lesson in unfulfilled expectations because, based on the premise it could have been AMAZING.

@jamesshumar-yu5tg

2 ай бұрын

yes it really could have been greater an bigger in many aspectsits still fun to binge🥰

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

Yes! It could have been a show with a real set of character arcs, and each season could have had its own plot. We could have done all the Kazon stuff in season 1, then gone on to explore the Vidiians in season 2 (far more interesting bad guys than the Kazon), the lawless and dangerous Nekrid Expanse in season 3, leading up to the Big Bads of the whole show in season 4 - BORG SPACE. Season 5 could have been the Year of Hell, and season 6 could have focused our attention on the new bad guys the Vaadwuar. Finally season 7 would have been all about how Voyager finally found its way home. With a lot of Borg stuff going on...

Warp 9.9 recurring wouldn’t get them back “in a jiffy” because it’d also be warp 10.

The blue gills were supposed to be the villians for the next season of STNG but the writer's strike killed that idea.

*These are the Voyages* should have had all the Captains of the Star Trek series making brief appearances in their reasonable timeline, looking back at the events which took place in this episode. From Kirk (in-between "Undiscovered Country" to "Generation), to Picard (after Nemesis) , to Sisko (in-between "Tears of the Prophets" and "Image in the Sand"), to Janeway (after Endgame).

TOS had an episode Plato's Stepchildren where Kirk gains extraordinary telekinetic powers through consuming a particular substance.

I REALLY want them to tie Borg Queen Jurati into Discovery's final season if only so it doesn't go ignored for the rest of time.

So, the Borg were more budget friendly than the special effects needed for the Bluegills? They probably just picked up a couple of them at IKEA, with some assembly required...

3:39 I have this Star Trek Companion book. Mine even has a big mistake in it. It's been while since I looked at it but I pretty sure chapter 3 is missing in mine. Chapter 1 repeats where chapter 3 should be. Reason why I have hung onto it for so many years

The only one thats not a nitpick for me is the Voyager episode Message in a Bottle with the USS Prometheus. Trek is notoriously bad for giving us a cool ship to never see again (Voyager J) and just leaving it dangling in canon lore

I appreciate how hard the show runners worked to bring back the Supervisor idea. It felt abrupt but believable, that had to be hard!

@ArtistryBranson

2 ай бұрын

It certainly was clever. We need to see Wil Wheaton reprised in that role. I'll be looking for hints during Disco S5.

#1 is the #1 produced episode in the Star Trek franchise: The First Federation of Balok. Incredibly advanced, friendly, respects humans....completely ignored in the Star Trek Universe. Would have come in very handy as an ally to save the galaxy about 200 times. They were physical huminoids, and destruction of the galaxy or quadrant would have affected them...and they would have known about it long before Kirk, Picard, Sisco, Janeway, Archer, Burnham, Pike would have.... Thus the reason GR dropped it for an episode reset on closing titles...tune in next week when we are powerful and advanced again. Faster than a speeding bullet. Able to leap tall orbits in a single bound. #2 Planet Gateway. If there was anything they found that could destroy or fix the galaxy it was that. Many a time travel crisis, yet nobody ever says....hey remember that glowing rock doughnut. Eventually remembered by a prequel/postquel in Discovery of the 32nd Cen...but only really as a fan service conversational easter egg. The You Cant Use Warp, global warming episode of TNG. Like celebrities and politicians of our era and the 90s....we shouldn't use high warp as we're destroying the galactic ether/atmosphere with it. Remembered once more in a script and then as forgotten as when a pop star or climate czar jumps on a private or 1st Class commercial jet and flies tens of thousands of kms to talk to a crowd that did the same for 20 minutes....easily done on Zoomcalls.

@damianjblack

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, Voyager touched on the latter point: within about six months of that episode airing, the Federation had started to deploy new warp drives which were less damaging to space.

I think all of Picard is 3 seasons of great premise, terrible landing. Also year of hell could have been the voyager season we all wanted. Maybe in an alternate history I'm complaining about it being stretched to far, but in this one, I would have loved to see Janeway fighting to keep the ship alive without a break. Could have been the whole series, but I would have been happy with a xindi approach

@jaimebabb9968

2 ай бұрын

Picard would have been so good if it were good.

@jriver226

2 ай бұрын

@@jaimebabb9968 exactly, if only they had thought of that

Sadly, writers can come up with great ideas. But, they also can either fail to deliver or they effectively checkmate themselves because to properly create a worthy conclusion means changing things forever. Plus, alot of it includes egos and chickening out. If the resolution/consequence involves killing off the entire cast or meaning no more warp drive (as in one TNG episode) it won't sit well with the people making the show or the fans. THE ONLY show which has dared to do the unthinkable was Blakes 7. And there's other examples I don't know of. Ironic, they can set up a premise, but don't/can't, take it to it's full conclusion? David

"Oh, it's the Borg... again." It would be interesting to see if there are more "Borgs again" or "Yet another Soong" especially since the family maintained the same name and apparent gene-pool for about 500 years, chronologically Ps2 "Adam" to Ps1 "Altan". Seven years of STNG and Data never knew about his father's other-other-other son (B4, Lore, Data) Altered Inigo Montoya (I'm not my father; prepare to die!) who for some reason(!?) just *gives* a comparative total stranger his entire life's work (and his continued life itself) and he's not seen again much like Queen Jurati?? Maybe Spiner the Younger could portray a young Noonien Soong in SNW(?)

Yeah, the TNG episode where they essentially find their own 42 was wasted, and instead of the whole arc of learning that everyone was related and then somehow became united through commonality, it just turned into dominion war stuff and that went byebye...

8:20.... is that a sonic screwdriver? Which came first - Trek or Doctor Who with that gadget...? or was it Gary Seven's version of a communication device, a phaser or even his "interdimensional shift actuator thingy" (as Batman (1960 TV) would have labelled it).