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I'm so happy there weren't any explosions. One thing I've really wanted to see is more situations where you can still save your ship after an encounter. Engineering looks to be a lot, but having a crew looked like so much more fun. Just need their Maelstrom changes, I'm so excited.

@Birbucifer

2 ай бұрын

When explosions do happen, I want them to be more like the idris explosion.

@teahousereloaded

2 ай бұрын

I want explosions, but i don’t want the ship to die 😂

@nathanpfirman625

Ай бұрын

@@teahousereloaded I believe there will be fires that can engulf your ships and need to be put out.

I love the “changed my life” KZread meta 😂 Thanks Asmongold’s editor 😅

@dustinshane92

2 ай бұрын

came here to say that 😂

@Vioblight

2 ай бұрын

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@dustinshane92

2 ай бұрын

@@Vioblight I'm cancelled AGAIN

@EricWilliamsCG

2 ай бұрын

When game changer isn't even a huge thing anymore.

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

im glad you got the reference.

In the later version you don't lose access to the cockpit, cuz the door has a 'emergency overide' which opens the door but doesn't allow it to close unless repowered this mode is definitely getting there into getting engineering viable ingame, the game is about to change to a completely different era

@Tekjive

2 ай бұрын

Ya it would be nice if those “emergency release” handles worked for them lol. Looking badass tho, a sizable ship could take a sizable crew, as it should be 🤙🏻

@Citizen-Nurseman

2 ай бұрын

@@Tekjive yeah that would be awesome, the button will have to do in the meantime tho :(

@Hellhawk

2 ай бұрын

Wonder when they're going to start on all the gold standard work required to get this in the ships. They should add a 3rd seat to all hercs and make that engineering. The separate console doesn't make any sense

@Citizen-Nurseman

2 ай бұрын

@@Hellhawk yeah I was concerned about that I’m hoping the MFD rework makes any MFD be used for engineering, they hopefully just used the largest one isolated from interfering with any other ship function while both systems are being built

@MrBenjaminRhoades

2 ай бұрын

@@Hellhawk Latest monthly report said they've put resource network into 10 ships, so hopefully they'll at least get this working in all of the multicrew ships for an upcoming update to the mode. Would be great to have options besides the A2.

The guy at 18:23 was cooking a nade and blew his buddies up😂

@ytsks

2 ай бұрын

I was expecting at least 1 grenade fail, its SC after all. But that was beautiful.

@dkindig

2 ай бұрын

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Imagine the other implications of this gameloop in the PU. The big ship ( Hercules series ATM) is disable, after the battle, you can either call for help to tow it back to a space station and have it repaired, try to repair it yourself if you have salvage guns or leave it for a scrapper to find, witch can also try and salvage it or scrap it. We only need radars to work on derelict ships from players to find them and the ability to sell ships!

Space adventures with my family and friends are gonna be lit this year. We're the freaking Robinson's over here. 8 deep, ages 13 to 51. And a Constellation Andromeda.

@aguspuig6615

2 ай бұрын

actually goated

@fwdcnorac8574

2 ай бұрын

@@aguspuig6615 My guy, it's the best feeling. I was the first to jump into SC, followed by my ex-Marine buddy. Then his twenty-something son got in and was amazed. He's a solid Merlin pilot and loves running to the back of the Connie and acting as fighter support. Then, my brother-in-law, an IRL aerospace engineer, and his wife, my sister. Then their 3 kids, who range from 13 to 17. Two families, two generations. Pretty cool. The first time watching my 13-year-old nephew take the Dragonfly for a spin or watching my 16-year-old niece take the pilot seat of the Constellation to get us into orbit was one of the most satisfying moments in my gaming life. Everyone is getting antsy about making our first jump to Pyro together. We also look forward to flying just over the water with Connie's cargo bay lowered. Thinking of starting a channel to stream our sessions.

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2 ай бұрын

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@simonsimon31376

2 ай бұрын

@@fwdcnorac8574 go for it sounds like a great idea

@supermonstars

Ай бұрын

@@fwdcnorac8574 Do it for sure.

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2 ай бұрын

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2 ай бұрын

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2 ай бұрын

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2 ай бұрын

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2 ай бұрын

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in my view ships this big should basically never just "explode" wholesale, it should just suffer component damage, and always be repairable etc. it's more fun that way. having just a big blackened charred carcass of a ship is exactly zero fun. having a disabled ship that can be salvaged, repaired, picked clean, whatever, that is opportunity for fun. i.e. a chance for gameplay.

@templeislandriven

2 ай бұрын

the dream is a ship like flying in atmo, getting power disabled, crashing on a planet in satisfying way, then with pes we have the salvagable entity, parts get collected, circle of life lol

@javannapoli2018

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think the only case where something like an A2 or larger should be completely destroyed is when your opponent specifically brings something designed to do that, like an Ares, Eclipse, or some larger ship destroyers like the Perseus. But in the case of a total hull failure, I think the ships components, weapons and cargo should have a high chance of being rendered inoperable or being completely destroyed so that in game loops like piracy, disabling a ship so that you can board or negotiate is incentivised. I think this would make player pirate encounters so much more interesting when their options are to negotiate, get aboard your ship or get nothing for their time.

Hannah’s link doesn’t work on your description

You know the game is coming along when Salty is having fun 👌

@oO0Xenos0Oo

2 ай бұрын

There are only salty tears of joy in this video.

I understand at this point the elevator needs to operate even when systems are down for the sake of basic testing, but I do hope that eventually things might change with hacking gameplay. I envision a future where every threshold of a ship becomes a pretty significant obstacle for the attacking force. No more just shooting entire hangar doors open or spamming to call the elevator back and forth. Even with very limited power, a ship's crew should be able to lockdown things like doors, hatches and elevators with the engineering panel, and reactivate them when desired. The counter to this home field advantage would be hacking or some sort of hard breach like charges or cutter tools. I imagine hacking should be more time consuming, risky and reversible, but have the potential to give attackers much greater control over the enemy vessel. Whereas hard breaching options would be quick, loud, difficult to reverse/repair, but would be localized to one threshold at a time.

@IamNotyou912

2 ай бұрын

Solid thoughts, I like those ideas.

finally, it was always kind of ridiculous 3 light fighters could just blow up an A2, this will blow up the light fighter meta and require better mix of aircraft to attack larger ships

@teahousereloaded

2 ай бұрын

I’d love the ares to be a glass cannon, you need three or four ares to disable an a2. 2-3 LF will kill the heavy fighters easily but won’t be able to scratch the a2.

@aguspuig6615

2 ай бұрын

@@teahousereloaded agh that sucks, i feel like the Ares should be enough to take out a sub capital big ship thats not even military

@MorbidMind123

2 ай бұрын

Now one light fighter can shoot an A2 in the neck and disable the ship because it has a single relay point there feeding the entire ship.

@heru_ur6017

2 ай бұрын

Now you only need 1, progress i guess.

I constantly feel like SC is on the cusp…. So many things nearing basic feature and QOL min reqs.

@teddypicker8799

2 ай бұрын

It needs server meshing. With good servers even the current patch would be so good

@frogger2011ify

2 ай бұрын

​@@teddypicker8799 they could easily make the pu stable and run properly without meshing and they could have back end meshing support from amazon they are just cheap and have some confounded idea that their version of meshing will save them money on servers...the whole issue is they have a very basic server package

@richardsmallhill905

2 ай бұрын

Edging: The Game

@anthonygordon9483

2 ай бұрын

Dude Ive been telling people since 2015. 15 Years they will be there. I still strongly believe that. When Chris Roberts talked about the features they will be. As a programming I quoted 15 years and I am in the business of quoting projects.

@frogger2011ify

2 ай бұрын

@@teddypicker8799 funny thing is if they just paid amazon for the right server pkg they would have back end server meshing support. They are only doing it this way because they think it'll save them server costs and they can sell the subroutine to other companies if it works. Chris doesn't make games he markets and makes cgi effects. To bring just about every project over the finish line he's been on involved removing him.

Actually this engineering mode is very similar to my real life job as control room operator in a railway station in Rome, Italy

That was fun Mike, thanks for sharing this. I can't help but think how this will all go down once ship interiors catch fire, that should add an entire layer to this experience. Cheers o7

omg THAT WAS INSANE! I love this! Imagine something like this happening in the PU at a random time!

This is how the game should feel in the future. We should not feel like your big ship will just blow up easy. Only specialized capital and big ship killers should be able to threat big ships.

And now imagine everything catches on fire when damaged and you also have to firefight and use the room system while defending the ship. I also really want them to add stuff like broken Pipes that release steam and have to be welded shut or dangeling electrical wires that might shock you if not repaired. Those could also be used intenionally to create cover and blockades. Total chaos.

@aguspuig6615

2 ай бұрын

it could even be related to how the ship looks and its manufacturer. A drake ship already has alot of exposed pipes, while an Origin might not, so Drake might be harder to keep in shape during a fight! thatd be cool imo

@randyculwell7651

2 ай бұрын

Not hydraulic fluid or fuel, but steam? lol cool ideas but why steam?🤔

@oO0Xenos0Oo

2 ай бұрын

@@randyculwell7651 Why not? We allready have an overveat mechanic for all ship components ingame and heat management overall is a huge task in any spacecraft. All energy that is produced and used inside of the ship turns into heat, which has to go somewhere. If you have to move heat around, boiling and condensing liquids is the way to go. Even the copper heatpipes of todays pc coolers are hollow and do contain a medium, which boils and condenses while moving heat throgh the pipe.

Oh man, this looks exactly what I've always wanted for large ship combat! Especially when it comes to piracy: I'm a cargo runner but a big fan of piracy in the game adding real jeopardy and emergent gameplay opportunities, but I've been dreaming of the day when pirates won't just blow up my ship but will probably have to board me instead and we can shoot it out face to face inside, like how cool will that be!!! Also, massive thanks for showcasing the potential of engineering in such a fun and easy to understand video; my excitement for 3.23, which had dropped to almost zero after the cargo fiasco, has shot right back up again after seeing this.

As we slowly wave goodbye to solo game play and hello to constantly stopping to refuel.

@GeekyGizmo007

2 ай бұрын

there will be plenty of solo gameplay, there just won't be ridiculous matchups like solo small ships vs medium/large ships but there will be options to do things like take your small ship and hunt other small ships.

@anthonygordon9483

2 ай бұрын

It will get worse when capital ships get into the game. Capital Ships and Carriers are made to be ferries. And small fighters are really meant for far quantum travel. No doubt in 4 years SC will at least be out of alpha stage I believe.

Awesome video mike. That last battle was crazy!

This is the first time I've ever watched an SC video, where I went, "Oh my God, this is finally looking how I always imagined multi-crew gameplay to play!" This aspect of the game is starting to look very encouraging!

1. excellent. but why aren't u able to switch breakers as opposed to needing fuses. 2. the discalimer from your sponsor not great. 3. nice to see u enjoying the game 👍 4. a cyclone Mt etc in the hanger for defence would be cool

I almost feel like there could be a specialist armor that has an integrated damage report panel or something, while not offering any ballistic protection etc. Specialist armor has a lot of potential in general and this goes for engineering to

Loool the absolute massacre in the lift at the end 🤣 great video! Glad to see this type of gameplay working so well!

You know what would be awesome. A 2 part extraction game where you made your own evacuation. 1 stage, a conventional fps extraction shooter; 2nd stage: defending your ship in space till you reach, lets say, a jump point.

Was fun to play, thx for the invite o7

Great video; would love to see more of this with different ships, like the Cat, Starfarer, etc.

If they can make this like an old Star Trek episode, where you have to get main engineering back online in 10 seconds or everyone is dead, or order someone to reroute auxiliary power through the main deflector, that would be pretty cool.

This is the star citizen I've been waiting for. Ship battles that aren't over in seconds or a minute and don't end with a ship exploding 95% of the time.

What a fantastic video Mike! Thank you for your perspective (and Hanna). You really showed off how cool engineering will be! Awesome work!

I think it makes sense that the light fighter like the gladius, even if theres three of them, cannot just shred bigger size ships with their Gatling guns because they are just that, light fighter size gatling guns.

The best part: “Uh Oh” …. “You’ve killed us all”

Watching the shots going through the hull was terrifying and amazing

This is great for players who have people to play with but for solo players this will be a huge slog having to deal with all these components unless they can find a way for players to be able to control these directly from the cockpit, at least until we get NPC crews who i assume should be capable of managing this, hopefully

This looks amazing! The fact is that the gladius's really should have a hard time dealing with a ship this size and heavily armored without a dedicated ship to damage the A2. Seems like it is where it roughly should be.

@eXponentia

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it should basically be like these gladius's are there to take out the other fighters and disable turrets/precisely strike areas so that an ares or similar class ship can come in to disable/destroy the rest of the ship. A fully crewed ship should be able to keep up with the damage of a similar amount of gladius's, but ships more designed to fight large ships or a larger number of fighters/a less crewed large ship should be able to overwhelm the engineers.

@javannapoli2018

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, a few gladius vs hurcules should end in boarding like this, if you want to completely destroy an A2, bringing something dedicated like an Ares or Eclipse should be incentivised.

This looks like a lot of fun. Also love the weird moment you can see the other A2 from the engineering panel. That feels like that shouldnt happen lol, guess it is a test though.

Shooting while being in space going to board is so cool !

Eventually things in motion in space will continue to stay in perpetual motion in a coming update, i heard. Boarding is going to be a bit more difficult then, but at the same time the crew might over-G themselves unconscious by spinning too fast, so you could use a tractor beam of sorts to stop the ship perhaps

This kind of reminds my of the old SW Battlefront 2 and I'm here for it.

Mike advise from an old cod player, jump or slide around every corner and pre aim where you believe they might be. Will be particularly helpful for situations like this 12:55

That was really cool and makes me really want a new computer to try this out myself, though I honestly was having more fun seeing you actually enjoying yourself. Looks like it's starting to get better! \o/

I'm beyond happy to not see a single A2 explode. This is what I have always wanted from these bigger ships.

@gregoriodia

2 ай бұрын

would be awesome if engines after being repaired random number of times would just explode, but only doing local damage to the ship...

@jhbk5

2 ай бұрын

@@gregoriodia 😩 don't tease me with these dreams like that. I've been here too long to have a glimmer of hope around gameplay.

I'm so glad to hear that engineering is adding so much depth to the game. It also terrifies me as I fly a Carrack solo as a cargo hauler.

And here i was thinking on being an ingeneer and chilling on the ship, looks more challenging that i thought!

I went into the ePTU last night into the PU, and the C2s life support systems were all offline. I nearly suffocated. Nothing would fix that, reclaiming the ship, upgrading the parts, removing and replacing relay fuses, the ships is just plain broken. That's my first experience of engineering gameplay.

So we need more ways to breach inside a ship ! This is going to be amazing

"Counter boarding" should work only if "things"' are disabled enough for the security to be not working right ? On a locked ship, someone without sufficient access rights shouldn't be able to call the elevator or open door, right ?

I can just foresee teams of players landing big ships on a planet somewhere or in space and just running drills on boarding the ships, training to do it for real.

I saw a chat message saying, approximately, "what if it never stops moving, hope they fix it", I think in such a game, if there is nothing that can stop the ship (no more power, not thrusters in that direction, etc.) from rotating, then it should keep rotating ..!

Ah, so this is what makes a multi-crew ship so dangerous. A solo fighter isn't going to have this level of control over a fight, but can act as a second major gunner who has greater freedom to circle a large ship and with communicable instructions from the "mothership", can focus on key targets. Now, finally, ship battles won't appear to be just a mess of people trying to hit each other; there's actual strategy involved. One thing I didn't notice, are you able to see if the other ships power is completely down and unable to turn back on (because they haven't repaired it over a certain time, like you would expect)?

@runescapeppl41

2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure myself, I'm only guessing. I'm thinking that the pilot or co pilot may be able to see from targeting, via IR and EM readings

that not taking damage thing is also something I experenced in the EPTU at a claimjumpers mission. I emptied all my ballistics into a freelancer, and it just 'healed' took no damage. really strange. VLRT also seem really unballanced as you are emptying all your ballistics almost, just on one ship.

Engineering is my goal for this game. I wanna be the used parts salesman with free installation cruzin in my crucible.... I'm sad I couldn't get in to help test and give feed back.

looks frickin, awesome. Can't wait to get into it!

this seems SO cool, makes it so that as a solo its not worth driving around of these big ships because if you dont have a crew for engineering and they shoot a couple key components your pretty much dead in the water, unlike right now where the bigger the ship the better because they are complete tanks that smaller ships just take way too long to actually kill, but thats obviously going to change with engineering, cant wait!

So glad you made this into a video!

I imagine military grade ships will have redundancy systems or dual fuse channels backups etc to grant them superior combat performance compared to cargo type ships or haulers.

What a great gameplay!! This looks bloody amazing!!

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I feel like this should be added on after they iron out more of the bugs... Sucks to load up an A2 with 6 people to end up hitting an invisible asteroid or ship, sending you all back to respawn

Hey Mike! Great video. It was quite refreshing hearing you go from disappointment to truly having fun. Engineering play is a game changer and its going to open up another game loop for big ship battles and it is going to enhance piracy game play. I cannot wait. Thanks for the awesome video.

Ya that was really cool! looking forward to your tutorial :)😁

That was intense and I was just watching. My grenades will fly. Good job to you Mike and your team.

Wow, Great video! awesome gameplay!

If only big ships stayed that strong with multi crew. Its kinda sad when you have large ship which can get destroyed in no time by few single seat fighters...

now *that* is the proper defense/staying power of a large ship vs small ships. Glad to finally see large ships get the respect they deserve. It will cost ammo + wear&tear to take down large ships, making them potentially not worth it without proper support. It will be more worth going for the disable than it will be going for the kill. It should take *significant* effort to fully destroy ships, while disabling/disrupting should be more of the norm. There should be munitions made for little damage to the ship, but higher penetration and disruption of crew, I.e. firestarters, gas bombs, ECM, etc. in order to disrupt engineering/repair efforts. "Firebomb penetrated hull in the cargo bay and is about to detonate in 27 seconds!! get to it and disarm!" Munitions that normally destroyed ships will instead cause massive, penetrating damage along with knocking crew on their ass and with concussion without the proper protective gear on like torpedos. Great to see this progress.

I like the idea of big ships being super tanky, but the parts getting disabled, and making it so boarding gameplay actually has a role. And honestly speaking, I don't want the little ships like the gladius to be good at disabling larger ships, you should need a medium or heavy fighter to do that, but those ships would be weak to the small ships. We need some differentiation in ship class, and this seems like the first steps in the right direction.

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Sniping should be the hardest way to play. Sniper shots should be the most influenced by the environment.

finally. this will change the game, this is amazing and has great potential to get even better from here, i hope they don't change this because of some crying concierces who don't understand why thisi s they way to go. i also have one big ship, if i wont be able to fly it without friends or npcs then so it is... good, i t want it like that.

A team mate icon is really going to be necessary for the vast majority of people out there especially if you have team mates entering the ship from different places.

This is actually kinda exciting to see.

Hopefully this engineering role will be more complex than just popped fuses. Interesting none the less

@IamNotyou912

2 ай бұрын

I imagine it will be, the CitCon demo's from last year included fires breaking out and a lot of activity on board, so I think the fuses are just the first step.

Somebody should tell those kids at CIG that Breakers exist.

I can see that it might get frustrating when boarding if people camp entry points, but you need to consider grenades and grenade launchers are a thing. And if ballistic ship weapons keep their penetration you could even have a ship outside making tactical shots through the hull at precise points if you know where they are standing while defending (albeit gambling with the health of the ship maybe eventually leading to a hard death). I know I've had a small handful of deaths where ship ballistics have killed/injured me while leaving my ship intact. Or even personal weapons with high enough penetration to pierce some hulls and kill with the same effect? Railguns would surely be a candidate, or make a new very high powered sniper rifle for the purpose of EVA only ship penetration. You wonder if we might eventually get special visors or drones which can 'mark' enemy silhouettes you see directly and share it to nearby party members who also are wearing the visor. Could make interesting tactical options, at the expense of the utility of other visors.

Man that EVA FPS is so nice looking

Things will get way more complex ... I don't know if I like it yet, but targeting subcomponent being useful is nice. I mean, the idea will be to make the ship basically unusable (you can board without issue if they got nothing to repair it, no more fuses, or if components are damaged beyond repair), but after boarding you will have to have enough ressources to be able to repair it if you really want to do something with the ship. I don't know, about what it will be in the future ... Sure it lloks exiting to have all those new things, it also means ships flying with less than the recommended crew size will probably suffer a lot from it and be screwed, meaning bigger ships size (that can be beautiful/funny/whatever to fly) will be a burden for some players ... :/

Amazing. It actually seems like CIG is focusing on developing gameplay for a change. Better late than never!

The link in the description to Hannah's channel doesn't work.

this is what we've all been waiting for. I cannot wait for this man.

That was awesome and looked like fun as hell

I’m curious what an Inferno can do when mixed in with Gladius.

If this was planetside, with some tanks and an idris to capture, we're looking at a new battlefield 2142 Titan mode

so nice: "Oh Oh... Oh oh..." 🤣 Looking fun 👍

This might be too much to ask but f*ck it, its CIG its worth a shot. Since we already have bullets going trough ships, how awsome would it be if there were some effects for that? like bullet holes, not trough the whole ship but at least a sprite, or a little surface deformation like on the ships outside, plus some sparks. Running inside a ship trying to repair while you see bullets flying trough would be awsome

I wonder if ship armor will reduce penetration or damage to components.

That was fun. thank you for that

This gamemode looks like a lot of fun - could even imagine that this is a good possible mode for ranked PvP gameplay

I noticed last night that a npc prospector is wayyy harder to kill than a bucanner and harder than a cutlass. I almost created a bug report thinking the prospector was broken somehow. Lol

Woah that's pretty cool

From a point of view this is extremely fun and engaging. And I haven't tried it my self, but looks like it takes too many players to run around and fix stuff to be fun in the verse. To me that is

the world tournaments are gonna be insane to watch! this is gonna be great.

@tommeegunn9318

2 ай бұрын

Tournaments at CitizenCon :)

man I can't believe it. this looks totally awesome.

This was a really good video! I guess everyone should have spare fuses to try and repair the ship before they try to board. Can you still just blow up the ship if you don't want to board?

@SaltEMike

2 ай бұрын

When a component hits 0 it’s dead dead

Certainly turning into something. I would take out the fuses and simplify this so that the " Fuses " are just boxes on the wall in need of repair. Visually the crew can see their repair condition " ie water coming through hole in ship sea of thieves style ". Components might only be able to be repaired with a quick repair so many times before repairs are useless and more substantial work needs to be done to them and even then they don't hit the same level of performance as you would get with a new component or a space station fix up. Same gameplay, same communication but less fussing with fuses. This is a rare example where I am saying... simplify :)

This is just awesome. It opens up so many possibilities. I think it's time for ppl to stop calling SC a tech demo. I think the final xenothreat mission - boarding the Idris, is prelude to what's coming for capital ship battles. OMG!

bruh i can't wait to see this in the PU, this will change the game big time

I wish you could do A2 + Multiple Gladius vs A2 + Multiple Gladius

Oh shock horror. These ships to the equivalent to an M4 rifle, aren't blowing up this other ship to the equivalent of a Tiger tank. Shock!