After years in spec ops, and being successful in business, at 43 im just beginning to understand this concept. Let me tell you it’s working and better than I could have ever imagined. Every 100 years God brings us a servant warrior. I’m grateful we have technology so I can listen to this man when I need him. If there is anything I can do for you, do not hesitate to ask. I’ll be here when you need me.

This is possibly the best lesson I've personally learned from this podcast so far, and that's really saying something because the bar is bloody high

As a person who works in the medical field, I was impressed that he said, directly, "Clearly, out of the gate, things that are immoral, unethical, or illegal, if you participate, you're guilty. That's the way it is." It's not a matter of opinion, it's not a matter of "Well I think" vs. "Well I think." Those three things are the foundation. Whatever any one of us use as a reason, an excuse, or whatever else, if we participate, we share in the guilt. "I needed my job," "I wouldn't have made a difference," "I have to support my family" - none of that excuses our culpability and I appreciated him saying that.

act accordingly. listen to that gut feeling. honesty and confrontation are Your best friends in life

@_daudnasir

4 жыл бұрын

"Confrontations are your best friends in life" This is fucking genius

@MrJH101

4 жыл бұрын

Generally, yes, but there are times when one must be dishonest and avoid confrontation to _successfully_ do the right thing. The 2 cases in point here: *Richard D. Winters* during the _Last Patrol_ and *Oscar Schindler*

@RandomBJJGuy

4 жыл бұрын

I think you may be missing the Mark a bit. I tend to agree with Jocko on this one, that if it's not a big deal, play the long game so that when it is a big deal your confrontation isn't just a typical "oh here he goes again" confrontation.

@_daudnasir

4 жыл бұрын

@@RandomBJJGuy if you disagree on everything, you get a rep as a disagreeable person. Then nobody cares about your stance. Or your point. Or your voice. But when you don't raise the alarm on the slightest inconvenience, when you actually do, people take you seriously.

@RandomBJJGuy

4 жыл бұрын

@@_daudnasir yup that's exactly what I was thinking

Conflict in human relationships is normal and inevitable, and should be accepted (rather than avoided) as part of the normal process of relationship and team building. I'm a firm believer in the veracity of the "forming, storming, norming" process: Groups form, they "storm" as the conflict, compete, and try to understand each other, and then they "norm" where roles are understood, appreciated, and expected. This process occurs every time a new individual is introduced or removed from the group. Great exchange by Jocko and Echo! Thanks.

"If you don't take care of business, business will take care of you." Gene Simmons

Schindler list was a great movie.ending made me cry..he saved so many people

@thundergrace

4 жыл бұрын

He was a force in a dark time

@aquilatempestate9527

4 жыл бұрын

It seems the whole story was fictional: quadrant.org.au/magazine/2010/06/myth-reality-and-oskar-schindler/

The question as old as the sands of time finally answered... thank you

Thinking of the long outcome is always best! I just think it’s a matter of not letting your emotions take over. Working on this, thanks

Knowledge and expertise, this is what training and a bucket load of missions will get you... It's becoming a great leader of your men and self, doing the right thing and making the right decisions at the right time. I've always had to live with myself, so doing the right thing is something that I have to live with. Getting the mission done and keeping my men alive. excellent podcast Jocko...

Thank you, Jocko and Echo. You are very wise. Direct conflict is often people's first approach to issue resolution. Handling people so that they are on your side and work they work with you, is a skill that more people should develop. After you develop this skill, you will then have an alternative path to conflict.

@platosrepublic6965

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes this isn’t an option though. For example, a suicide bomber probably won’t listen to reason. There’s no debate nor tactics that will deter him. If his mind is set, then that’s it. Another example is if they think their option is better. I used to train people to do a certain job and many of them were very lazy. Now they could listen to me when I tried to train them or they could yell at me and be lazy. Guess which they chose. So we fired the bad apples and kept the ones that fell in line.

Most of the type A aggressives....DO NOT GET LONG GAME, INDIRECT OR NUANCE. Listen to Jocko.

@richardprice9730

4 жыл бұрын

PLEASE THINK ! Umm a superficial analysis , you haven't read my comment properly , Schindler WAS A NAZI ! Didn't yopu hear Jocko I agree with him because he probably callously saw them and din't care First he wasn't originally a Jewish sympathizer , he may just have started cto empty Jews through pleading through recommendation or by mere fact that they were good at or in his fcatory they improved assembly etc , so PLEASE THINK AND QUESTION! Gradually through talking to workers and seeing through the propaganda slolwy he may have changed , he may even originally have laughed at what was happening who knows , but good came out of evil ! Internally those with a sensitive conscience may well be most suspetible to conflict , which is good but IT IS HOW WE MANAGE THIS IMPULSE > God Bless R

@billhand9330

4 жыл бұрын

You’re not wrong on this point. I’m a 61 years old, Type “A”, Sheepdog, That for most of his life did not get the long game principle. What cured me was doing executive protection work. Check your F’n ego and get your charge as far away from and as quickly as possible away from the threat. If you did you job correctly than no blood was spilled🤔 by anyone.

@richardprice9730

4 жыл бұрын

@@billhand9330 Yes I agree too , the long game . Most people however are not intelligent enough to say "actually I don't know what the long game is" ? This I feel is what Jocko is alluding to , but if Schindler had not been a Nazi they would have suspected him , he was saving himself, and he preferred Jewish workers was caught in a bear trap , if perhaps his growing desire to speak out got the better of him , end of the game it was too late for him to leave , many people chose to stay and when the level of discomfort for them reached a certain point they were dragged off by the SS . Let us NOT or EVER Say yes Hitler was a kinda cool dude , but what can be done , I read a Buddhist book that proposed that by not opposing Hitler the mass of the German people would have seen through his megalomanic rants and got tired of this sick little boy , but this isn't what happened and his psychological tactics of getting people behind his ......... How best to describe it ...."evil".... Agenda was actually the right thing to do , a bit like Brexit in a much milder sense . In real life the problem for each of us how and when to speak out . In a democracy you are relatively safe but once democracy as it appears to be doing at the moment has broken down then no one knows what will happen , whilst you may not be dragged off to prison or spirited away ( shot), your life can be made unbearable while those with power and influence seek to derail or stop your'e progression in society for being what they feel is a dissenter . But if you remain silent or do nothing then years later you regret it , then what ? You have to live with your conscience for the rest of your sad sorry existence !

I think doing right thing and trying to coming from different angleinstead direct fight is not avoiding conflict. I think avoiding conflict means to compromising on your values or goals.

@kevinjohnson6549

4 жыл бұрын

Life’s not that simple, you have to evaluate the best option on every situation to the best of your ability.

i needed to hear this 2 years ago thanks

I have done this all my life. Now i wish i would have stood up and fight for what is right! Its better to be dead than a slave!

@alexnewton7624

2 жыл бұрын

But he isn't saying "become a slave" he's saying be assertive when needed but be passive also when needed and build Intel on a subject before acting.

@riling

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexnewton7624 When you grow older you figure out that life offered you few changes to fight for what was right. Those moments are rare and then gone. When you are old you can see you had your changes to be a man. Now you even can't fight if life offers you a one.

Perfect example! Thanks Jocko

In the building where I work, a woman got mad because I pounded on the door to get her to come out for a visitor she had. She was a bit hurt because I pounded on her door. I said I was sorry twice (second time I said my bad) and let her know she had a visitor. I moved on. She sent out this long email about professionalism to myself and my boss. I didn't even bother to read it. Should I respond to the email and face more conflict or simply move on? I plan to never interact with her or her part of the building again.

I doubt jocko you will see this.. but literally 4:45am on my way to work this guy wanted to try and act angry over something so stupid on the road (wasn’t even road rage) and as I’m calling him out he tries to say he has a gun but I still call him out.. but your words literally hit me in seconds and I’m thinking (this is just ego) and as upset as I was I had to let it go.

I love Jocko!!!

I have learned talking does not work hardly at all, especially nowadays, so I choose to go the route of what Jocko is saying- it's to "show" them, to build trust and a relationship.

6:02 *you should never be searching for and desiring conflict, and instead search for and desire resolution, refinement, and the best way forward. deploying wisdom (with courage) is key to differentiating between these two modes of operation.

You dudes are huge, crushing it

I am not afraid of conflict exactly, I am afraid of the guilty party having friends and good family who did nothing wrong get caught in the middle even they know the guilty person was wrong. What do I do

Another great word of advice sir. Your videos help me to keep that other stupid me locked up inside where he belongs . I really appreciate wut u do sir thank you

The biggest flaw in this is the ironic reason I come out worst in almost every conflict: I make the assumption that everyone is not only capable of reason, but will employ it. Objectivity goes out the window and ego takes full center.

@Alphacentauri819

4 ай бұрын

It’s also hugely in the HOW you approach conflict. If you approach it in ways that are likely to increase defensiveness, them feeling unsafe, you lost before you began. You have to have a keen awareness of the autonomic nervous system, fight/flight/fawn/freeze…and once those are triggered, reason (frontal cortex) is not accessible. If you set things up to allow space, time, and you are emotionally regulated yourself, you have a much higher chance of being successful. Also, know your goal, and name it. Know your values. Own how you feel and what you want, from an empowered place. Root out any cognitive distortions, biases, ahead of time. Be present with introspection and metacognition. Those all help lay the foundation for navigating conflict effectively.

@Dazzletoad

4 ай бұрын

@@Alphacentauri819 Yeah, but I think people should also be forced to bear the burden of self imposed restraint and objectivity. It may be idealist, but I always; and I mean always, without exception, try to give others the benefit of the doubt and understand that not everyone is able to express themselves the best way first time. I also try not to approach things aggressively or overtly confrontational, but still people; especially those who just aren't used to being challenged even in the mildest most inoffensive ways, still go full defense. So yeah, I take your point, but there are circumstances in which it really juat doesn't matter 🤐

Thank you!

Uploads have been awesome recently

The conflict to avoid is by people who projected inferiority, lack of accountability for their situation and/or actions. These people never look inward to see where their issues derive from. They then stagnate. Do not evolve and blame the world. Then continue to project lack of accountability and inferiority. Round and round they go, on and on with anyone that they can project their issues too. Wife, boss so called friends.

@thundergrace

4 жыл бұрын

You need people in your life to accountable to

@rabbychan

4 жыл бұрын

@@thundergrace you only need to be accountable to YOURSELF.

@ryanoverton6624

4 жыл бұрын

I have to disagree with that Rabby. Your tribe makes you strong, they give you perspective and remind you of your values.

@aquilatempestate9527

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryanoverton6624 Agreed, you learn who you are via the mirror others hold up to you. In addition, others will always push you harder than you can push yourself, this counts for duty, service and sacrifice even more than it does for sports and business etc.

How much more swoleness can echos bicep skin take? Ha Love the vids y'all. Keeping me focused Ty

ITS ALWAYS HARD FOR ME TO STAND UP FOR THE RIGHT THING... SINCE.... I HAVE SKINNY KNEES

@Yetipfote

4 жыл бұрын

this meme will never die, will it?

@officialyoutubecommentator4357

4 жыл бұрын

@@Yetipfote Apparently not, his/her subconscious mind must have been tuned in to just the right frequency when the skinny knees episode was watched and now the subject is suffering from "skinny knees syndrome"

@Yetipfote

4 жыл бұрын

@@officialyoutubecommentator4357 I smell a jolly Peterson-fellow, no?

@raimundosilva4382

4 жыл бұрын

Responder Nati mais força eu ganho mais. Eu ganho mais prova eu tenhoeu uso a sabedoria para minha defesa e usa sabedoria para o então eles quer assimquer ter moral não quer ter respeito então vamos resolver desse jeitoquero ver até onde vai chegar no final da história que

@BradPitbull

4 жыл бұрын

@@raimundosilva4382 BUILD the WALL!!!!

The issue as they see it seems to be that you need to weigh the risks and rewards of your actions fighting uselessly head on against leadership or what have you wont bring about the best results. Playing the game as they put is is often far more effective. That being said you run into two very large issues with this reasoning or rather you can if taken to far. If you play the game without maneuvering properly then you are just complicit at best and assisting at worst. The other issue is that when you think only in terms of the outcome you run the risk of ignoring the methodology. When the ends justify the means no evil is off the table. Where that line is, is a bit subjective but it is important to remember.

there's also productive conflict - like on software development when different voices come to the table in conflict for the best end piece of software. It's collaborative conflict - still conflict, but in a collaborative container.

I use this approach with my wife every night....then she just says good night. Damn it

@Martialxhaki

3 жыл бұрын

What you need is marriage counseling on how to spark things up again. Or get a new wife 👍🏼

Jocko being smart as fuck

“I will do anything to get what I want.” - Griffith

I was the complete opposite before, very naive, soft and kind but the world schewed me up and spit me out, it didnt work out. Then the pendulum went to the opposite side with anger issues, drugs, etc, that didnt work out either. I guess its called growing up.. getting some thick skin and learning to play the game, and yes its all a game, its a competition. There is no such thing as avoiding conflicts, you always have to deal with conflicts but yes, the point is to achieve something so what is the best way to achieve it. Always ask yourself the (edit: real) reason for why you are doing something and how that fits into the bigger picture.

Respect

This is funny, i use those same tactics (questioning and than "giving advice") when debating people or trying to disect their thoughts. Usually people have no idea why they think of X, so if you let them question it. You either figure out real quick that they're ideologically possesed or that they know nothing about X.

@jussim.konttinen4981

4 жыл бұрын

9:10 I believe the commander knows (or should know) that his orders are not obeyed blindly.

@aquilatempestate9527

4 жыл бұрын

Socratic Method is invaluable yes.

@ishitrealbad3039

4 жыл бұрын

@@aquilatempestate9527 is that the term describing it "socratic methods"?

So according to Jocko, Steve may have been wrong in Captain America: Civil War?

@christophermagera8643

4 жыл бұрын

Most definitely.

@mpi9328

4 жыл бұрын

Nerd

@TeKnoVKNG23

3 жыл бұрын

Knowing how the government would have used the Avengers, Steve was certainly in the right there.

My friend got sucker punched by a bouncer at a club for manhandling another guest & trying to sneak a disruptive acquaintance in after being kicked out. Were we right to not get revenge on the bouncer afterwards? I vote yes & we avoided an ass beating since he was already in the wrong

@BradPitbull

4 жыл бұрын

HILLARY 4 PRISON

@aquilatempestate9527

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like your friend is a bit of a dick and the bouncer isn't very good at his job. "When idiots collide".

@BradPitbull

4 жыл бұрын

@Coke Dogg true

Jocko would kill at Game of Thrones

Jocko, I sincerely appreciate your book and advice - it is very enlightening on a warfighter-military perspective. I understand why you advise to avoid conflict with leaders in that environment- but at the same time acknowledge that it is necessary to *appear* to follow leaders directives whether illegal, immoral, unethical, of just flat wrong rather than engage in unproductive conflict. However- the implication is leaders are not fully vetted and prepared to lead effectively. We surely know they don’t and can’t know everything they need to know in order to tell everyone what they need to do, so why aren’t we looking at ensuring they aren’t setting the table for conflict or illegal, immoral, unethical behaviors?? The follow orders and obey authority must be administered in a manner when and where there are alternatives they are entertained in order to build reciprocal trust between leaders and the led. Being a Yes man/woman doesn’t do anything to build your trust. In them or your followers in you no matter how you couch it. The followers will see you as undermining and duplicitous. The power to knowingly send people to their death must be wielded with responsibility, accountability, and above all transparent honesty.

Exactly

Got do at right time

Echo just finished a set of curls

I'd love to know Jockos stance on what's going on politically in America right now politically and constitutionally?

Echo: The bic pen is mightier than the tanto blade

In both examples the persons still stood up for the right thing, they just did it "smart" weighing their options and finding that if they went along with the wrong they could make a bigger difference further down the line. They played the long game right. Not standing up for the right would be schindler going along just to keep his position and riches while still recognizing the wrong and not doing anything. Same for dick winters.

@JohnDoe-yu2xw

4 жыл бұрын

Where this strategy gets tricky is sometimes if you go along with the wrong far and long enough, the wrong might start to seem right.. Be careful ye who fight with monsters etc...

Discretion is the better part of Valor. George Washington avoided conflicts he could not win in order to win the war that no one thought could be won. Positions of power and politics will force situations. Do not allow unwinnable outcomes if possible. In a tactical retreat a covering force loses in order to win. Don’t let enemies pick the battlefield of their choice. Don’t let politics control the narrative and situation according to agendas over facts.

Echo and Lee Syatt* have to be related in some way lol. Hes like that navy seal Lee. Lol

The best move. Please

Damn citing Oscar Schindler

Please save my family!..Ben.Jacob. Ardelia

Hey Jonko, you going with the next gen Playstation or Xbox?

@mrigue56

4 жыл бұрын

Ass Whole hey jonkius

@liteknight

4 жыл бұрын

"Jonko" can afford both, no reason to choose one or the other.

I'v got some self conflicting thoughts today don't know if im in the right or wrong my neighbor's have been having domestics for some time now and the police get called and go to there house the girl must lie and say that he has never done anything expecting it to be different next time, and last night he did it again so i went over and gave him a taste of his own medicine, the girl thanked me and i could see the shame and remorse in him, but i still don't know if I'm in the right for doing that ?

Alphas are lovers not fighters nothing is more powerful than love!!!

In our modern day holocaust, they've played the long game for 50 years with 70 million casualties, the unborn tortured and murdered under the guise of freedom. Now what!!??

Immoral or unethical yes. Illegal no, as an illegal act can be the moral and ethical thing to do

May I steal a car? Going up against chaos!? I'll never survive like this...

@DoAllUCan2StanD

4 жыл бұрын

one in a million &still trying! jimmy dean :P

What about situations like slavery where it's so prevalent, even accepted in society, considered an opinion, and yet it's immoral by virtue of victim vs. abuser? edit: oh wow, literally as soon as I post the question he answers it.

Hes a thinker

What to do when your wife is at fault in the home ? She tells me to tell her later on that she is wrong ,after the incident and back her even if she's wrong.

So eventually there's no way around this, avoiding the conflicts,means that I am weak right?,what if I know the outcome?,yet father of all father's wouldn't want a weak son?but what the rules?, there's a voice telling me I have choice's not a choice,but what if the other men made a final choice of not letting me get a free ride?, wouldn't that be a force?, force the way in?,to do what is manly,a manhood?,meaning at the end I would have no choice but to protect myself in society,public, community and so on,if this life is all about conflicts,I never want to exist of their existence,they say that peace is a boring life,so eventually someone came up with conflicts among us humans,what is right and what is wrong?,more like they are just waiting for someone to fuck up their day to fight with conflicts,fuck up world ain't it?,knowing we all live and die for this very reason,and purpose.

I don't think Jesus would agree because he stood up for what is right no matter what and now he sits on the right side of God.

If I saw another person or animal getting abused I'm on it like a bear...If i saw someone very poor stealing food or clothing etc I'm gonna help them or turn my head Man say what's legal & illegal because of society's mores but is denying what's right People deserve $$ & universal healthcare just like everyone Dont get confused when you look in the mirror...you not even really there...I realize most of you sheeple wont get it but Heaven awaits those who do...

@officialyoutubecommentator4357

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, many people forget that our physical bodies are just our vehicles.

I smell dichotomy.

Cam don't push

a direct approach is also not the best approach at times

A DEEPER Analysis ? or beneath a war4rior's body armour . Ohh , here we go my morning dose , rock and roll you can tell I have had a good night's sleep , my favourite "warrior(s)" bar non , straight in there no f..messin about , IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN-------, I can't help but stifle a laugh ! But go on your b..., on again can't typ[e and listen at the same time and but at least it's majestically brief, unlike my analysis heh , Newton mechanics works but it is no good for the "real time" problems , just too basic ? . My initial play full reaction was ...or went something like that great but . So Let's look at this a bit closer shall we guys ? Let's leave the kiddies paddling pool shall we . Yes I watched the film which wasn't that believable motives are complex , people with personality disorders often get in this situational problem they are in and then out , they cannot understand the importance of inner ethics, but for a time they go along with then they will change and then wioll go in the opposite direction often whe fear arises ,your assumptions about Schindlers motives may not be that accurate . Anyone who could even go along with or let alone become a Nazi in my opinion would probably have a serious personality disorder in the first place ! So would be basically untrustworthy . I feel it was more to do with a kind of relationships he may all ready have had with some Jews either as a child or growing up or even during the rise of the socialist party which promised to restore Germany to great ness .. therefore, the pyschic wave Zeitgeist wave en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeistor Of the Nazi war machine which is what it became under the megalomanic manic guidance of a true deviant ,did he do the Nazi salute ? Did he ? ...etc , I expect most of the time conflict raged within him , the Zeitgeist of the Nazi war machine was way too strong to resist, can you imagine being at a rally , the waves of adulation and euphoria and then the slow unbelievable realization that this was all getting out of hand . But maybe it didn't override his psyche at all times from that point of relationship a little insight may have dawned his motive may have been not one of true sympathy at all, but in the end so what Jewish lives were saved and that is what counted ! Contrast this with other intelligent and some brilliant people bothe Jews and Jewish sympathizers in Germany at the time or simply those of sufficient maturity and emotional i8ntegrity to be able to question this . The all most pulsing ----- ------ ..... Umwelt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umwelt Or Zombies are "us" ( special relevance for cognitive philosophers, roboticists and cyberneticians ) But some thank God could see much more clearly and opted out quickly , this situation had gone past a terminal point , the anti Semitic feeling wasn't and still isn't right ! You ( One) might say "I know Jews", and they are fine people etc ,. Resistance is initially and continually for a while an important factor , one might say this whole thing makes me feel very uncomfortable , even alarming and insight is key an ability to question one's beliefs , to examine oneself and know one's feelings and examine one's motives etc . Carl Rogers one of the founders of humanistic psychotherapy movement made good in roads into core attitudes which must be continually reinforced and understood for lasting change to occur. But I do take your point , but what I am trying to say is subtle but I hope profound To use an imagined example ,at a supermarket checkout where you maybe are taken up with all sorts of thoughts , you hear a Mum screaming at her little kid and maybe this registers but heh still absorbed in your little world , the deeper emotional implications of this do not really register but if that was your daughter Jocko then what ? So we have this strange thing going on in us a kind of , Taliban body parts splattered everywhere don't register but a "brother" a fellow warrior gets injured and , do you see my point this is what we need to be mind full of or remain vigilant about all the inner stuff at the same time not lose touch with the capacity to function ,beautifully demonstarted by Stanley Milgram's famous experiment and so on . Conflict Echo , what is going on for you ? are you ...( ) of him ? Or should I say what is wrong ? Or I noticed , which is it , yes he could snap my arm like a pipe stem but still ....., yes so respect full anxiety a wise move I guess as Jocko might say ? CONFLICT lets not confuse things too much maybe save this one for later . Please don't get me wrong I have tremendous respect for you bothe but especially Jocko he is someone I greatly admire and look up to but ... Come on Echo get in there ...do a bit of deeper analysis after all he is just a man, isn't he ? God bless guys , oh missed communion this morning , or should I say God let me sleep on a bit , for some reason go well .

I studied 23 yrs and me and my 83 yr old teacher only ever warmed up by Uki Komi ,auto correct sucks but you know what I said.I have severe back authritis,nobody gives a rats ass or honors my rank ,which rank I care not but I'm older and now that my teacher is gone I get treated bad if I try a school.23. Yrs brother

If know aomethings feels wrong got do something about it

*8:20 Come on Echo man , don't be a....., but if a Samurai swords man says heh you are going to die for x, y or z and appears before you and you reach for your sword ,, ummm better to bow in veneration and respect and back off and get the fuck out there !

If the allies lose Schindler dies.

Video came a little late for me. I just threw part of my life in the shitter because I should have picked my battles. Regardless, I am not discouraged. Can I get a "good?"

@jacktheriffer1523

4 жыл бұрын

Dont give up...I threw my life away many times God,Love,My Wife,Music...nothing else matters Head High friend you indeed are loved & are very special🤘

@officialyoutubecommentator4357

4 жыл бұрын

Shit happens. Live and learn.

Echo's biceps look like watermelons

Its late and I'm tired but one last thing occurred to me it feels such a shame that it takes war to bring out the best in men, that this game this tragically strange tribal thing has morphed into this hideous allmost sci fi like monstrosity , now it isn't just enough to route the enemy they must be blown up , into tiny bloody fragments , it is all so sick , so sad utterly dreadful and the ramifications of the lives lost the trauma affecting generations for years to come , i wish it would all stop. It's all male pride and egp, isn't it ? The enemy is a sense lies within as the shadow form is seen for what it is just a projection of this , we are in a very real sense fighting ourselves aren't we ?

Taking the sides of Jews. Bruh.

Joining the army or police in any form/country is immoral by nature. No one will say that.

@aquilatempestate9527

4 жыл бұрын

In this system that's certainly a reasonable assertion. The ruling class are the enemy, engaged in wanton treason.

@NGWhite-mw9kz

4 жыл бұрын

@@aquilatempestate9527 And yet the "ruling" class, the elite, struggle even among their own. They're not above in-fighting any more than anyone else is. Whether it's at the hands of the Chinese, the Russians, or a western dictatorship, someone will come to the forefront and make you subservient to them. Worse still if it's a foreign power with less pretense towards due process and civil rights that decides to invite themselves over. Opposing joining the police and military is insanity--even the worst-run state needs someone to uphold the laws, even if those laws are trash. Some sort of order has to be maintained. Who will be in charge of that without the police, or the military? I hate to say this, as I don't advocate for any form of communism or it's historical adherents, but even the secret police in Russia and wherever else had their place, despite their lack of ethics. Someone has to hold the line against rampant crime, else you end up with Somalia.