Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 01:34: Rant about Target Panic and Joel Turner's Shot IQ (feel free to skip) 08:45: Still Not a Two-Stage Trigger 09:43: My Method of Shot Execution 12:27: Trigger Push vs Thumb Curl 16:00: How I set up the Onnex Clicker for a "Thumb Curl" Method of Shot Execution 18:00: Conclusion

@jasonparks389

Жыл бұрын

I ended up going with the hbc flex thanks for the recommendation I think I need the fast click hopefully I can get it changed out without an issue lol

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonparks389 my pleasure. I'm always happy to help. Switching out the sears on the HBC is a pretty straightforward operation. If you need any assistance, let me know and I'll do a tabletop video.

@jasonparks389

Жыл бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 I would appreciate that go for it

@timbow50

10 ай бұрын

Joel’s terminology is his narrative in his promotional sales pitch. The neuron thing, IMO, is going overboard. But, hey, everyone needs to do something to earn a living. And his son may be the best result of his technique? Who knows.

Absolutely spot on re "shot IQ" in my opinion ! Someone is laughing all the way to the bank with all that highfalutin waffle, eh ? Good for you, someone had to go public with a negative exposing all that overcomplicated jargon. I have been around archery since before most on here were born & seen it all, but wouldn't miss any of your no nonsense unbiased reviews. Yes, like many compounders , I have had a severe dose of the dreaded TP, so now almost a dedicated hinge shooter; currently the new Scott Select, (no click) which I really do like. Quite frankly, this Stan click on a trigger idea seems a total gimmick, however, if it works for someone, go for it. BTW, I'm in sunny Adelaide South Australia, but spider bites here are a rare occurrence. 😬

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, sir and thank you for watching. I'm glad to hear that your local wildlife isn't actively try to kill you as much as the rest of the world think it does 😜. As for target panic and choice of equipment, The beauty of archery is the variety of choices we have in equipment and technique, and while no one single method works for everyone, they all have the potential to produce good results. I will reject anyone who says their way is the only way, and especially someone who claims the more someone practices, the worse they become.

Just found your channel. Love your reviews and the precise breakdown you do.love my onnex clicker.ive practiced so much with it for the hunting season.it took some getting use to but now it makes my shot process so much stable.i subscribed to your channel. Great content.prayers for your wife.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for watching and subbing, and thank you for the well-wishes for my wife. She's back to normal now with no lasting effects, so I'm very thankful for that. I'm glad you found the info useful. I'm still enjoying my Clicker as well. I think it's a winner, and it's currently my primary Thumb release (which says a lot considering what's sitting behind me 😁). Take care, stay safe and happy hunting.

I just found your channel and i think you're legit. We seem to have the same train of thought. Youre reviews are practical and not influenced by some companies marketing team. Anyway its appreciated

@ajbholsters2035

6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, Mike. I'm glad you are finding my content useful. I agree with your assessment that most "reviewers" are just an extension of a company's marketing team. My goal is to highlight the positives and negatives in equal measure and only offer praise for that which deserves it. I won't make any friends with the manufacturers, but it goes with the territory. I think there's a longing, of sorts, for honest content, and I appreciate that you found my channel and chose to spend some of your time checking out my videos. Cheers 🥂

You said everything ive been thinking since joel entered the youtube archery world

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, sir. I'm glad to see I'm not alone in my opinion of him 👍

@chrisnewhart673

Жыл бұрын

Yep when he started it was about a surprise release and not punching or using your finger or thumb to execute the shot and now it’s all about the single digit manipulation 😅

@steammaker48

10 ай бұрын

​@@chrisnewhart673which is the complete opposite of what everyone else teaches. He talks about the pressure in the bow when your on the back wall. I feel like when i pull through the shot it's the same everytime vs trying to do single digit manipulation I don't think about how much tension I have against the back wall. Guy is a nut case lmao

Just subscribed to this, I like the way you take the time to go through equipment and techniques. Have to say though, the Joel T has helped me most by breaking my sequence in controllable parts and I have fought tp for decades.Dont mind the complicated terms, for someone with painfull, joydestroying problem he Shot iq can make a huge difference.I had to suffer first though, to get humble enough to learn. I think were born with different mindsets, I would love to be able to "Fred G Asbell"my way without analyzing but cant.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and for the sub. I really appreciate the support and will try to bring out more content and contribute to the discussion. As for Joel Turner and Shot IQ, I think the general principles of his lessons make sense and could certainly be beneficial to some. Everyone has a different background in shooting sports, and most are self-taught (so there is a lot of potential to develop odd habits). There's good info there, but a lot of it is buried under jargon. The things I'm inclined to push back on are the practice of making up your own names for things that already have mutually understood names (I just touched on that with my Dialed Arxos review) or needlessly overcomplicating the language. I know I talk a lot in my reviews, but I don't write my scripts so a viewer needs to keep an encyclopedia open on their phone to understand my points. I heard from a few people that Joel acts differently when the cameras are turned off, but his "on-screen" demeanor is just off-putting for me. The other thing I will push back on is that he professes that his way is the only way to be accurate and consistent. It works for me (though I figured it out on my own) but it isn't going to work for everyone. Anyway, thanks again for watching, and good luck in your journey 👍.

Great video, keep them coming

@ajbholsters2035

11 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, and thanks for watching 👍

As always, a fantastic review. I like learning of your shot execution. I always strive for consistency with my placement on the thumb barrel but it frequently eludes me.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, and thanks for watching. Up until this point I've been of the mindset to use a larger thumb barrel because it wasn't as important to get a consistent placement (my thumb was just providing friction against the barrel as I squeezed). Now it makes more sense to go with the smaller one so I can settle it into the crease under the pad. Everyone has their sweet spot. You'll find yours eventually 👍

@richardswett8458

Жыл бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 I completely agree and that is what I am experiencing now...friction to make it shoot. I am of the mind that I want to try a smaller release so I can create a repeatable shot sequence.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

@@richardswett8458 a couple things to check are the amount of pressure each finger is applying on the draw. It's easy to change the angle of the release and the position of the thumb barrel if your index finger is more tense on one shot, and more relaxed on another. One thing I learned from shooting shotguns that carries over into archery is "the mount". When you draw your bow, commit to doing it in a specific set of steps and movements, and do it the same way every time. I set my feet, draw the bow away from my face with the pin level with the target, pull my release hand into my anchor, and dip my head slightly to drop my nose onto the string (didn't notice that part until I took video of myself; it's a exactly how I shoulder a shotgun). If you develop your "mount" and stick to it, you'd be surprised how easily everything lines itself up (anchor point, peep sight, pin on target) Making adjustments based on the feel at full draw is also important (I can set it where I "think" I need it sitting at my desk, and then have to change it significantly once I start using it). I hope you find success and the consistency you seek. If there's anything I can do to help or any visualizations I can provide for the stuff I just mentioned, please let me know.

I agree Joel does use "lingo" and Jargon that makes him sound like a scientist... But if you cut thru the fancy language and get to the brass tacks or what he is saying its this... ~have a shot process that is pre-determined and performed with every shot always. ~Dont stress when your pin floats. No-one can hold anything perfectly still. ~Your brain knows what you are aiming at and will return the pin to center over and over ~Talk yourself thru your shot with verbal cues Ive taken a clinic with him and this is what he teaches. And it works to get rid of target panic. The best Ive ever shot is timing the pin and punching a trigger...It can be very accurate... Until it wasn't on one arrow. Now I get a surprise release and my groups are good, but my bad arrows are not so bad either.

@ajbholsters2035

7 ай бұрын

Hello and thank you for watching. That is precisely what I was getting at. The lessons can have value for some, but he's dressing up relatively simple concepts with a lot of unnecessary technical jargon. I can speculate on his motives for overcomplicating the language, but I'll never know for certain. He also doesn't seem to address muscle memory and our mind's ability to adapt to stimuli with consistent exposure (at least in the content I've seen; I don't know if the course covers it). He doesn't currently advocate for a "surprise shot", but I think if it works for you and you can do it most consistently, then good on you for taking control of your shot process 👍

Ive never heard or seen this guy but that wall is impressive

@ajbholsters2035

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. I call that my "Wall of Impending Bankruptcy" 😜

I shoot my thumb release as you described. I want the barrel on the hardest part of my thumb. I equate that to having a bow with a solid back wall. If I have a soft or should I say not solid back wall I have trouble getting a thumb to fire. Same thing with my thumb, I find that the large barrels defeats the purpose. I’m actually contemplating putting on a thumb peg from one of my old Colby 2 releases for something smaller, which is going to take some fabrication. As of yet I haven’t come up with a good idea. Definitely going to need a different post.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment. What would you consider the hardest part of your thumb? It would seem that the crook of the first knuckle has the last cushion? It does seem to minimize the "mush" of settling the thumb barrel into the skin.

@olehemlock

Жыл бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 I use the first knuckle. I’ve tried other positions but didn’t like the results. I shoot a medium Stan SX2. I set up the thumb barrel so it touches the first knuckle with the tip of my thumb touching my index finger. That way I keep the rotation of my release more consistent. I also keep my barrel set pretty short. If I have set up long it feels like the pressure is more upward than going back. I know a lot of people like long and you can shoot it that by lightening up the trigger. If you get a chance watch Page Pearce shoot a thumb trigger. Page is the most interesting shooter today. She has claimed many top podiums using a index, thumb and hinge. Not many archers can claim that.

This man has a whole ass wall full of releases and I can’t even make up my mind what one I want to try first 😂😂😂

@ajbholsters2035

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. Haha, paralysis by analysis is a real thing 😜. That said, let me know your glove size, your intended usage (Hunting, target or both) and your price cap and I can recommend a few based on your criteria. It really comes down to the one that fits your hand best and can be set up for your preferred style of shot execution.

@ipoopinwalmart5968

3 ай бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 I have it narrowed down to the ibex and the uv button. But the 350$ price tag is kinda ridiculous in my opinion.

At LowLeft Academy, we promote a “HighRight” approach to your sight picture.

I agree with the over complicating things to make himself seem smarter. I use this on people I can always tell are not very smart. 😅

@ajbholsters2035

Ай бұрын

Thank you for watching. I agree. It's a mark of intelligence to be able to explain complex concepts in relatively simple terms, but the simpler you make it sound, the less people are willing to pay for it 😜.

Guess it would be hard to design an adjustable, true, 2 stage trigger in such a small package. About 2 pounds heavier than the uptake should do the trick if not adjustable.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, and I agree that fitting all that into a handle-sized package wouldn't be easy. I think somebody's gonna make it work eventually. They could add extra movement to the thumb barrel like I did with the Carter Anti Freeze trigger shoe, or the case might have an extra hump on it like the Clicker. It's also going to be very expensive, but release aids have a much longer shelf life in terms of the perception of the public (or at least the ones who constantly change their equipment to stay current). So I think whoever does it first might win the market for a while.

Joel Turner trained his son to win the world championships at 15 years old, he proves that his format works. He offers shooters a formula to a proven success path. You seem angry to me that he has come to the market with a product that you don't seem to like which is cool, that's your opinion. After many videos watching him, it makes sense to me and again he does have a world champion using his method. I dont' own one but will consider it after deer season

@ajbholsters2035

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching. You're partially correct. Some of what I've seen outside of the paywall puts into words what a lot of people with prior shooting experience already know. His premise about your mind not allowing itself impact as a surprise is fundamentally wrong. Practice, repetition, and sensory adaptation can help you adjust to stimuli that would otherwise jar you if you weren't accustomed to it, even if you're the one causing it. The method is called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. You stop flinching at the report of a firearm and its recoil the more often you shoot it. If you want to stay calm in a tense situation, you put yourself in situations that cause tension, and your body and mind adapt to it or you learn the skills to manage it. A sample size of one does not prove that a system will work for everyone, especially since most of us are not a blank slate (which Bodie probably was). That was one point I was trying to make, and I will always push back on the idea that there is only one way to do something. Everyone's mind works differently and prior experience with similar disciplines is going to result in crossovers of technique. Some people are ok with a "surprise shot", and some people aren't. Some people can smash the trigger and hit right where they point. Others can't. Both sides are capable of winning. The part that annoys me is how the information is presented. I don't like when a presenter loads up a segment with lots of technical jargon when it could be worded more simply. If you want to know the whole psychological breakdown of why your brain does what it does, then that's fine. My brain interprets it as the content either being made needlessly complicated to justify its pricetag, or the need of the presenter to be the smartest person in the room. Maybe it's just me, but I'm fairly certain I'm not alone in this thinking. Now that I've said that, if you believe his methods are beneficial, then I would not begrudge anyone from utilizing it to improve accuracy and consistency. We're not competing for customers, so him having a product I don't sell or offer does not affect my feelings towards it.

@jebstuart1323

7 ай бұрын

Joel is nothing but a encyclopedia Grifter now living off his sons deeds. He changes the words but does and says nothing (once broken down) that any knowledgable coach would tell you.

@davida.4933

5 ай бұрын

@@jebstuart1323 Well, one could say his son is benefiting from his Dad's instruction and I think that is the more accurate appraisal. But it's not necessary to create a drama here. His life is archery and he makes a living off it which is the all American way. Capitalism is why there are so many choices today. Just look at the wall there...

Great video. I would like to see you do a review on the nock on backstrap release

@ajbholsters2035

4 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for checking it out. I can't make any guarantees on that one. Resistance releases and I do not get along in the slightest. They're supposed to train you to pull through the shot in a uniform fashion and I end up yanking on them like I'm trying to start a lawnmower.

@georgemyers6518

4 ай бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 I agree about the tension base needing to be constant dynamic pull through. If I ever went back to a thumb trigger it would def be that Stan onnex clicker that you explained. With that it seems like you can set your thumb the same way every time because there is no fear of a misfire while rolling the thumb in and there should be consistent thumb pressure as well with it because of being able to pre-load into the clicker. I think it would be a real game changer for thumb trigger shooters

Great video….You should score the releases example Durability 5.5/10 Trigger travel 6.7/10 Or whatever category/areas you feel are relevant

@ajbholsters2035

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching, and for the feedback. I'll see what I can do as far as grading them.

Used to be “focus on aiming” now he is saying “focus on the trigger after it clicks” My finite brain can’t do both and I think I want to hit the target and not pulling the trigger; when I know how to pull a trigger🤣

He pretty much goes against everything everyone else teaches. Hes all about pressing the trigger in my mind you're just punching it slowly doing that. Everyone else says use your back tension to fire the release. Just accept the float and pull through the shot. I bought the onnex click and i dont like all the travel it has. Im going to do some tinkering but ill probably stick with my toosimple.

@ajbholsters2035

10 ай бұрын

It seems like everyone is looking for a single answer to the question of "what is the best method of shot execution?" Unfortunately there isn't one. It makes helping someone else figure things out more difficult (especially if they already have ideas of their own), but the best any of us can do is explain the available options and talk about which one works best for us. I will say, though, that "accepting the float" is something everyone needs to embrace. It doesn't matter how strong a person is; they're never going to get that pin to stop moving long enough to loose the arrow. The OnneX Clicker can be set up like a regular thumb release by setting it for minimal travel. You lose the click, but you gain a very short, crisp break.

@steammaker48

10 ай бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 well said. I know people that are great trigger punchers it works for them. It's more of doing something you can repeat everytime. I'm sure if I spent a lot of time doing joels method I could make that work, but for me it's reinventing the wheel I've spent years shooting the way I shoot and i know where that arrow is going when it leaves the bow. It also isn't a surprise anymore because I know when my shots going to break. Which you touched on. I feel like he's opening a box of worms trying to get into the mental game if I wanted to spend $250 or whatever his shot iq cost to learn about my brain I'd go see a therapist 🤣🤣

You need more releases.. lol

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

No such thing as too many releases 😁.

Why do people want to use the moving the thumb technique? Set the barrel and shaft up so there’s a CLOSED LOOP allowing the thumb or thumb tip? to rest in the same location/ position repetitively. This helps or does remove the variable of where the barrel rides on the thumb. When under draw weight load ALL you need to do is pull. There will be no conscious thought of “ ok, it’s time thumb, begin to move” or “ ok, fingers, time to begin the rotation”. With ENOUGH serious thought out practice shots you will come to a point where the shot will break on its own AS THE PIN floats in its smallest movement. It will become practically “ automatic “. And when it all comes together as I’ve described that arrow will undoubtedly hit right behind where that pin was for that microsecond the release broke. Guaranteed! Don’t have to believe me- TRY IT FOR YOURSELF! 👍👍👍👍👍

@ajbholsters2035

10 ай бұрын

People might want to use their thumb to pull the trigger on a thumb release for a variety of reasons. They might be accustomed to that motion and are more consistent with it as opposed to back tension. That's their option, and it might work well for them. No one method is superior than any other. As for me, my thumb is too short to reach my index finger when I'm at anchor without shifting my grip. I also don't get the feel on a command shot I prefer by using a pull-through method with my thumbs. If I'm going to use back tension for all my shots, I might as well use my hinges.

@timbow50

10 ай бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 yes, each to their own. Has to be that way. I have used hinges and triggers off & on for years and years. The Wise Choice is small enough for my technique and of the various barrel positions the closed loop gives me more control. I’ve tried a lot of releases ( not as many as you have on that wall lol). This Wise Choice is my go to hunting release. I use the Total Control for 3-d and indoor. At 72 years old there’s not many things I haven’t tried with a bow since 1963 when I shot my first ever arrow. 👍👍

All in all your paying to overthink your shot process in complicated way, C'mon not like primitive beings that shot bows thought this intricate to be successful,Does his membership include a flashlight to navigate the rabbit hole your going down?

Love the content of the video. Good work! Audio was a little quiet.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and thanks for watching. I'm still learning the fine details of editing (it sounded loud when I was reviewing so I lowered it), so hopefully I'll figure it out sooner or later.

@zacharybreig3622

Жыл бұрын

Yo buddy i like the video

@fiveandadime

Жыл бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 No worries, it made me just pay attention more lol. I appreciate you here and on AT. I think you have a ton of valuable content and your hyper focus on things is relatable around archery things. Aside from product reviews I wonder if you have some tuning videos and such you could put out there. I am sure you have plenty to share and might give you some more views.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

@@fiveandadime thank you so much. I'm always looking for new ways to contribute information. I'll see what I can do 👍

LMHO! He’s claimed to have cracked a code that’s been plaguing mankind since the advent of the first bow and arrow… since shooting began! 😂 Nimrod would be proud! 🤪

@ajbholsters2035

2 ай бұрын

Lol. I wish I'd made that up, because it would be ludicrous to make such a claim. But lo and behold, he says it a promo video for Shot IQ. It's a level of narcissism rarely witnessed and needs to be studied 😂.

@waynestevenson9613

2 ай бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 Narcissistic for sure! I know someone that took his course and his shooting has declined… or at least is not any better! It just ain’t that easy! Grant it his son is a phenom! But that doesn’t mean every one will be! There’s just no substitute for repetition of form, hard-work and talent!

Love how real your reviews are. Remember thinking isnt thoughts haha. Dude is piggy back riding off his sons fame. To keep me chill to hit the x i just think of what went down on my wedding night. Kinda takes away the thought of worrying about hitting the center

@ajbholsters2035

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for the complement, and that's good advice. You know you have the accuracy 😜. Just gotta channel it from the arrow to the bullseye 👍

10:48. All my shots are controlled shots. I know when I’m going to send it. EXACTLY. It “ IS “ in my control. And it is NOT. a punched or slammed movement. Itis a continuation of my process with my back muscles and bow arm. I DO NOT move my wrist, hand, fingers of thumb except by the slippage of the release on my skin. Moving any part of the hand requires REMOVING YOUR BRAIN FROM THE SIGHT PICTURE for the microsecond to tell your hand etc to rotate or some other time wasting event. Set up the release where it becomes a f8xed part of your hand. Learn to NOT MOVE ANY PARTS. LEARN to activate by pulling thru with a command you began long ago in the firing process. This way your mind can focus down range where you need to be. I’m no pro but I have learned this technique,for me, is the most simple and repeatable way.

@ajbholsters2035

10 ай бұрын

Hello and thank you for watching. You are advocating activating your thumb release with back tension as the most effective method of shot execution for yourself. That's fine, but it's not guaranteed to work for everyone. I don't believe there is one perfect method of shot execution that will work for every person, and the beauty of archery is that different methods can produce repeatable results. I use back tension with my hinges and pull the triggers on my thumbs. That's how they work best for me. If I'm going to use back tension for everything, I might as well just use my hinges. My explanation of my shot process was to provide some background context so viewers have an idea as to why I might think this release works for me. As for where my mind is focused, my arrows tend to land where I'm pointing more often when i have a larger percentage of my mental focus on how I'm executing my shot and the remaining percentage keeping myself from floating off target. It works for me. It might not work for somebody else.

The irony of the ideas Joel is selling is that he was a swat firearms instructor for years. The trad community was his easiest sell, but the firearms and compound folks are calling him to task, such as yourself.

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm glad to hear I'm not alone in listening to the tenets of Shot IQ and raising an eyebrow. The funniest summary of the Shot IQ program I saw on Reddit. It was: "Oh, you have target panic? Have you considered NOT having target panic?"

One of those releases should be disabled - to be unsuspectingly switched out for a working one - just for the laugh of watching someone 'twitch' with target panic! What SHOT IQ is exposing is perfectly real.

@ajbholsters2035

5 ай бұрын

A release that can't fire and forces the archer to hold on target is a good training tool, but that first flinch would be rough if a punchy archer didn't know. I'm not saying Joel is necessarily wrong. It's just not the only way to do things. I believe eventually the archer should be able to condition himself into doing certain things automatically without the need to control absolutely every aspect of the shot sequence, and that it is possible to desensitize yourself to the types of stimuli that cause a flinch. Those things require a bow setup the archer can draw and hold comfortably, and then a lot of practice and repetition.

@jthepickle7

5 ай бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 Agreed. Everyone is different and there are always different ways with such complex organisms as humans. I just got a new bow. It has a very high let off and is MUCH quieter than my 20 year old bow. Since it doesn't 'explode' when fired I find that my instincts aren't aroused and, though panic is present, I think I'll soon desensitize.

You just have to control your mind. Its actually pretty easy

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think......therefore I flinch.

Someone seems a little salty...

@ajbholsters2035

11 ай бұрын

It was a rough month and I have a low tolerance for people who overcomplicate their language so sound smarter.

Look at your own video, you are trying way to hard not to blink. Good thing it was a close target, cause all your focus was clearly on trying not to blink.

@ajbholsters2035

8 ай бұрын

I didn't record that video exclusively to show that I don't blink when the release goes off. That was footage of me trying out the release for the first time, and incidentally it demonstrated the point I was trying to make. If you spend enough time around loud noises, you stop flinching from them.

Joel is just a encyclopedia of words..just ask him. He is nothing more than a griftet and now gets to leech off his sons exploits.

@ajbholsters2035

7 ай бұрын

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit 😂.

@jebstuart1323

7 ай бұрын

@@ajbholsters2035 Exactly, I wish people could see through his B.S. and understand he is just another clown trying to be way more than what he actually is.

@davida.4933

5 ай бұрын

Dad didn't have any role in son's success? Good grief, that proves parents are sorta' worthless except for the act of procreation! C'mon man, that's pretty extreme...

@jebstuart1323

5 ай бұрын

@@davida.4933 Nobody said he did. What I am saying is that Joel would be considered a plagiarist in any acedemic circle. He has taken others work..rewrapped it into fancy language and peddles it off like its his own. Open your eyes, listen to old trick and target shooters interviews. I had a back tension coach in the early 90's that spoke the same theories Joel does today.

Awesome review!! I’m still trying to find the sweet spot, for me…Is it me or Stan does not have the greatest customer service?? I’ve sent several emails for my hinge click hook and have had zero responses. Their phone goes straight into voicemail. You would imagine that after purchasing their resistance, hinge and now the click release, they would actually do something for their customers…

@ajbholsters2035

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. I haven't had a lot of contact with Stan's customer service, but what I have needed (I asked about purchasing fast and slow click hooks) I did get a response after a few days. When I requested my click hooks that I didn't receive with my dear batch of hinges, it took them a few weeks to get them out (longer than they estimated) but they made good on it. A lot of people take vacation around this time, so maybe they're understaffed.