After almost 30 years of stair building, i wish i could, at least once in a while, get away with a solution like that with my customers and/ or building codes... LOL Different part of this wonderfully diverse world and different codes for sure. But i am sure this stair it is going to last, fit the budget and serves it's purpose just fine the way it was built. Well done and thanks for sharing.

Awesome advice, tips and tricks!

i really enjoyed watching the video on making the stairs to the upper floor before installing the upper deck i will commit to watching it 10 to 15 times before attempting to do it. thank you.

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

Nothing like having to climb and carry things up a ladder to a second story to convince us on the idea of building the stairs prior to doing all that 2nd story construction... Learning stair and roof framing will put any carpenter into the top 10% of framers.....

Appreciate the video!

Well-built---its-a-dandy-cant-wait-to-see-it-finished

Thanks Dave from a uk carpenter 👍

East coast here, water fall stringers are not used here. Definitely a quick way for carpeted stairs. Looks like a solid build. Alas, I will never do that style because everyone sticks with stair treads with nosing.

Nice video. Thanks!

@daveosland3199

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks- There are so facets to building stairs. These are just a few things involved.....

David what's happening bro, framer here thanks for sharing. I'm always looking for ways to cut time.

Pretty good video. You used LVL,s for stringers, you placed the 2x4 behind the stringer for sheetrock and finish stringer. I might add you should round over the tread with a router , and notch the stringer bottoms for a 2x4 to lock in stringers, and build a short wall under stairs so that you eliminate the tight spot at bottom, about two to three feet out.

@daveosland3199

4 жыл бұрын

Good comment! A short wall was added later to save the drywalled from laying on his stomach to hang/finish a tight area! Because the stringer is attached to each stud, a notched stringer is unnecessary. This method, when applicable, is dead sturdy with absolutely no deflection, as an open staircase might have and need that notched stringer. The rounded nose is a good idea- Thanks! Dave

"wHO HAS A TEN-INCH FOOT?" Calculating the rise and run is what you need to 'teach'

@daveosland3199

5 жыл бұрын

I agree a ten inch run is tiny. Talk to the code people. I prefer 12" minimum run... I laugh when I see the European homes with 8" run and 10" rise....

U have ur stairs in before you line/plumb your walls?

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

Nope- Plumb and line any area that is necessary around the stairwell as it locks in the area.... Dave

me to great video

Great video ! but I got a question, were you shooting 16 pennies into the 3/4" thread ??? I found that weak. Am I wrong? I personally plow a dado on the raiser to receive my thread. Just my two cents.

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

The treads and risers are (1.5" thick) LVL, along with construction adhesive- no squeaks or deflection! The two square platform steps were 3/4" ply with 16" o.c. framing underneath, nailed w/ 8d HD ringshank w/ construction adhesive... dave

@linotrillo9297

7 жыл бұрын

Dave Osland, Now we are talking 😎 again nice work ! keep it up!

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

We try! Every job is a new learning experience I learn something new on!

I noticed it looked like your treads didn't have a nosing, no overhang. Is that the reason for the angled risers? I've always built and seen stairs with usually 1 1/4" overhang. I cut a 10" tread into the stringer then use a 2"x12" tread so the tread is 11 1/4" with an 1 1/4" overhang. Or with decks I use 2 decking boards for the same result. But yea those are some heavy duty stairs you build. They do cost more but if your customers are paying for it and your happy with the money you make building them. That's great. Last year I built the stairs for a 6 story apartment building (It was in a 150 yr old building that was all wood, post and beam with a brick exterior. (The post on the first floor were 32" sq solid oak post, it had huge beams real 2"x14" joist with massive 250 lb cast iron brackets holding the beams on the post. It was pretty cool!) anyway the 2 stairways were 6 floors straight up 15' per floor. They were engineered to be built out of 4 LVL stringers per set in case there was a fire and the stairways ended up full of people. LVLs make for a very strong set of stairs.

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

The angled risers are used to get a wider tread as well as allow carpet to be rolled over the nose without having to be rolled and stapled under the nose, as would be required if there was an overhanging nose. If the stairs were to be overlaid with hardwood, I build them with a square and flush nosed. A hardwood nosing piece then hangs over whatever its' milled profile is. I've used your method numerous times, also- Dave

GR888 thanks

I've been a stair carpenter for 4 years, Never heard a stringer called a jack, most what you did building those stairs I find very strange...

@thompsonjacob8713

7 жыл бұрын

I've been in it for 17 years and I was thinking the same thing. I attributed it to things being different in geographic locations.

@samcarver317

7 жыл бұрын

I lived in Northern Illinois we always called them "stringers' I live in Eastern Ohio now most people here call them carriages. I've never heard them called "jacks" before either. Different terminologies in different regions. Another one is "jacks" and "cripples" they call them the exact opposite here than in Illinois. I got into a debate about it with some guys at the first company I worked for down here about it. I Googled it the terms are interchangeable depends on the region. Luckily though one of the guys I had a $20 bet with brought in a construction book it used the same terms I do. I didn't tell him I had found both answers were correct. Lol!

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

"jacks" or "stringers" are both used here also, but carriages??? Cripples out yonder here in Calif. are the short 2x's under a window or over a header!

@samcarver317

7 жыл бұрын

In Illinois its cripples are beside the studs under the header so you have stud/cripple we laid it out XC/HEADER/CX . Jacks under the sill or over the header. If you do an image search you will see diagrams written both ways. Also some people call them Trimmers. Carriages for stringers was a totally new one for me. The first time I heard it, the guy was talking about stair carriages it took me a min to figure out what he was talking about. Then I thought he just didn't know what they were until I heard other carpenters calling them carriages also. Lol

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

Like "verge" or "barge" rafters..... We only refer to the 2x under the header as trimmers, too!

I've been a rough framing most of my life and and I am 53 about to retire I never heard a f****** Stringer being called a stair jack also why is the Stringer held off the wall a whole inch and a half you only need 3/4 of an inch ,1x 4 would do for you to put the drywall behind the stair Stringer.

great work. you guys used LVL for stringers.

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

using solid lumber for stringers is cheaper, but tend to crack or break off towards the nose of the step.. Cry once (how many times have I gone the cheaper route and regretted it!) Dave

@SKANK_HUNT49

7 жыл бұрын

Dave Osland hey buddy when it happens it's no big deal just grab you some wood glue and glue that triangle piece back to the Stringer. drive a couple finish nails or screws to hold it tight while the glue dries. it will be stronger right there than anywhere else on the Stringer

Anyone notice they moved the “stair jack” down? At 4:01 when he measured, then later they were moved down about 1-1/2’’? it’s called a S T R I N G E R!!!!!!!

I am a trim carpenter that specialize in stairs. And in 15 years when someone like me has to come back and fix them because it is coming lose in the middle from kids running up and down them. You should at lest put a third stringer in. And with the landing shouldn’t you have made it as one. Or at least had it step up the same as your risers. This way you will trip on it almost every time you go up or down them.

But it's necessary two landing stair ? My house justa gotta one.

@thecarpenterpros9822

6 жыл бұрын

Gervacio López they should have made it as one! You will trip on that little step every time because it should have been the same high as the risers on the stringers

@gervaciolopez4920

6 жыл бұрын

Jason Hammer OK, THANKS SO MUCH, YOUR VIDEOS ARE VERY INSTRUCTIONAL 👍.

Using plywood for stringers that’s a first.

@daveosland3199

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! i got tired of sawn lumber checking, cracking, etc.. The LVL's are the trick!

2x4s arent good fire blocking..LOL.LOL..BTW i would've added a middle stringer and notched out the bottom of all three stringers and added a 2x4 to the floor too tie in all three stringers.

@daveosland3199

4 жыл бұрын

Fireblocking (now referred to as firestopping in the code) Per code: Accepted materials in a wood frame residence- -2x lumber -2 layers of 1x lumber - 1/2" gypsum board or 1/4" asbestos board - Batts or blanket mineral wool or fiberglass insulation - other approved materials A 2x4 wall- a 2x4 block: easy, straight forward. One of the reasons I shared this video is to demonstrate the construction method that produces an extremely rigid system that eliminates the need for a middle stringer. Because each stringer is nailed to each of the enclosing 2x wall studs, the need to notch the stringers to a bottom cleat is also eliminated. In a free standing staircase, a middle stringer and bottom cleat would be necessary as you describe. As always, more than one way to skin a cat... Dave

@cobone04

4 жыл бұрын

@@daveosland3199 Yes i know...And i agree there is more than one way to skin a cat..

Can’t believe how ridged it is , ur using LVL’s it better be ridged for a 6 -8 foot long stringer

The nails would eventually vend . Don't you think the stairs going to squeak

@davidosland1440

6 жыл бұрын

the method is super solid, never any squeaks with the const. adhesive. Use screws if you're worried about it, but i I I I can't imagine what kind of loads would cause the nails to bend....with the const. adhesive on all connections there are never any squeaks No squeaks with the const. adhesive on all connections Never had any squeak issues with the const adhesive on all connections. Nor nail problems.

Ivory! You should build your altitude the way you build stair. With quality! There are always better ways to say things. And I wish I could have said it a bit worse in this case

This showed nothing pertaining to how to do stairs .. Now if theses " Stair Jacks " were canted inwards Hopefully at 1" .. then why weren't the landings ?? .. Were the landings which includes the top going to have a bullnose ?? and I am willing to bet it wasn't accounted for .. " All enclosed risers must have a 1" projection " and if you didn't then when the nosing goes on , Then the 3/8 " greatest to the least goes out the window .. This is highly suspect work and I suggest anyone that clicked this on .. Look elsewhere for instruction ... BTW .. I call it a Stair Carriage

@davidosland1440

6 жыл бұрын

This video wasn't meant to be a complete work on how to build stairs, only some highlights of some of the techniques used. A nosing is put on the landings prior to carpeting...

my foot is 13 ⅞ scant and often find myself falling down stairs and getting banged up. broken this, broken that etc. so when u ask who really requires greater than a 10" tread i am one who thinks they should be at least 12". cool video though. we dont incorporate this technique here in omaha. not that i am aware of

@daveosland3199

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul- I agree with you're comment on tread depth. 10" is an obsolete depth, (UBC) requirement. i haven't done anything less than 11.5" for years..

wtf is a stair Jack? 😄 stair stringer guy

yeah this is a bullshit way to build stairs. I guess it will work in track houses. in Custom Homes this won't fly because carpet doesn't just roll over them. I install Oak step tread then one by riser

@thecarpenterpros9822

6 жыл бұрын

MIKE HUNT I do the same thing but I renovate old staircases with new oak treads. And when they don’t add the third stringer it really makes it hard to do!

No center stringer,no stringer ties,lvl for treads and stringers(2000 in lumber for stairs in the rough?) 12" run? You used more floor space for that staircase than it takes to frame in a full bath. You set your staircase before straightening and bracing walls ? And sheath the second deck? Why don't Western crews sheath their walls before raising them. We build our overhangs,boxouts,Queen Anne all on the deck. Tip up and tie the corners. You gotta struggle with hanging and nailing plywood and hiusewrap.... At least it will take four years to fall down the stairs with all those terraces built in😁