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You could also just convert into polar coordinates which gives you: sqrt(r)sqrt(e^(ia)) -> sqrt(r)e^(ia/2) where r is the radius and a the angle. You can then generalize this even more and get the formula: nth-root(a+bi) = nth-root(r)e^(i(a+2kπ)/n) in which k is an integer

@anishkrishnan9698

10 ай бұрын

I think this is cleaner than getting a form with an arctangent involved, but yes polar is much simpler and easier to deal with exponents

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These "just x" channels are really cool. You always go into more detail on some things that we might not have seen in a typical "x" course.

Technically x≠0 for b=0 since y=b/(2x) which makes sense since for b=0 you would need y=0 i guess

@eu7059

2 жыл бұрын

No, it depends on the value of a. If a

Using the the modulus of a+bi, you get three equations : x²+y²=sqrt(a²+b²) x²-y²=a 2xy=b the two first equations give us : x² =1/2(a+sqrt(a²+b²))and y²=1/2(a-sqrt(a²+b²)) and you can conclude with the sign of b.

@Etz_Chayim

2 жыл бұрын

nice!!

@rmlu9767

2 жыл бұрын

I don't see clear the first equation: is the modulus of a square the square of the modulus?

@dulot2001

2 жыл бұрын

@@rmlu9767 (x+iy)²=a+ib Thus : |x+iy|²=|a+ib| This gives : x²+y²=sqrt(a²+b²) Is it more clear?

@rmlu9767

2 жыл бұрын

@@dulot2001 Yes, I completely forgot that property. Thank you.

Why not just convert to polar coordinates? (a + bi)^(1/2) = ((a^2 + b^2)e^itaninv(b/a))^(1/2) = +/- (a^2 + b^2)^(1/4)e^i(taninv(b/a))/2

@star_ms

2 жыл бұрын

We're assuming that we don't have a calculator or the brainpower to work out an inverse tangent. After all, there's no fun in that.

@he-man4076

2 жыл бұрын

Computing square roots are much easier than computing complex exponentials and inverse tangents.

@purewaterruler

2 жыл бұрын

@@he-man4076 but you can easily convert that to square roots bc a complex exponential is just sin and cos So we have an angle equal to the inverse tangent, and that angle is inputed into sin and cos, and we can easily find the value of that just by using triangles.

Great work!!

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Can't we convert the complex number into trigonometric form and apply De Moivres theorem?

@AayushSrivastava0307

2 жыл бұрын

not all numbers can be converted to trig forms by, we can only do multiples of 15 and try to use sin(a+b) formulas but much easier using this formula

@kevinm1317

2 жыл бұрын

@@AayushSrivastava0307 You can use half angle formula, it should be equivalent

My first thought was to use polar or trig form: a+bi = re^(it) so by DeMoivre's, √(a+bi) = √r•e^(i•t/2) = √r(cos(t/2) + isin(t/2) or √r(cos((t/2)+π)+isin((t/2)+π)). Here r = √(a²+b²), cos(t/2)= ±√((1+cos t)/2), sin(t/2) = ±√( (1-cos t)/2). cos(t) = a/√(a²+b²) After simplification and accounting for ± signs, results are equivalent.

@grassytramtracks

Ай бұрын

If the argument is a nice fraction of π, converting to modulus-argument form makes sense, but sometimes you'll get a horrible decimal for the argument

If b=0 it's y that is = 0, just plug in b = 0 in both of these and y will reduce to 0

@koenmazereeuw4672

2 жыл бұрын

if b = 0 and a is negative, y will not be 0 since sqrt(a) would be a complex number. x will be 0 though.

@plislegalineu3005

2 жыл бұрын

@@koenmazereeuw4672 but x and y are defined to be real

@DeJay7

2 жыл бұрын

@@plislegalineu3005 y is the coefficient of i, still real

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how i would generally do it is convert it to polar form, then half the angle and root the distance

And then there is the similar identity: sqrt(a + b) = (S + b / S) / sqrt(2) where S = sqrt( sqrt(a^2 - b^2) + a) It is not really a simplification (unless it is a denestable nested radical), but it is an interesting identity nonetheless. And for b = i * c , it can be used to derive the identity in the video.

@Firefly256

2 жыл бұрын

How does that simplification help at all? Also what’s this identity called?

@XJWill1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Firefly256 What simplification?

@Firefly256

2 жыл бұрын

@@XJWill1 “it is not really a simplification” so it kind of is a simplification but not really at the same time?

@XJWill1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Firefly256 Consider a = 2 and b = sqrt(3)

@Firefly256

2 жыл бұрын

@@XJWill1 I typed this in wolframalpha and it said this is not always true (a=-1, b=1/2). Is it only true when a and b are positive? Edit: I replaced a with |a| and b with |b| but it still says not always true, why?

the first thought coming to my mind after seing that minia consist in passed from algebra to exponential form to solve the problem

It can be derived also from polar form

a²+b²=c² 2X²=a+c=c+a 2Y²=-a+c=c-a [a+i×(c²-a²)½]½=X+i×Y

I like how the modulus of the original number comes into play. Maybe this has some nice geometric visualisation?

@reeeeeplease1178

2 жыл бұрын

Converting to polar coordinates shows how Taking the sqrt halves the angle to the x axis and square roots the modulus

Thank you so much tr plz do cube root of complex number

7:40 its only y equal to 0, x is the root of a

Actually, if b=0, then y=0. The x might be 0 or non-0. In this case, the x value depends solely on a. Right?

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what about applying de moivre’s formula to the polar form of a+bi?

@shadow-ht5gk

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I thought of as well, I think it’d be easier

@wesleysuen4140

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadow-ht5gk I’ve done that in my newer video comment. It happens that the use of the quadratic formula involved in the video is basically the same as the use of half-angle formulae that I need. But my calculations reveal more precisely how the signs for the square roots should be considered.

Write z=a+bi=r*cis(w) where r=|z|=sqrt(a^2+b^2) and w=Arg(z) which here is restricted to lie in (-pi, pi]. Then, by de Moivre’s formula, the two distinct square roots of z are given by: z_1=sqrt(r)*cis(w/2) and z_2=sqrt(r)*cis(pi+w/2)=-z_1, where w/2 lies in (-pi/2, pi/2]. Write r=sqrt(a^2+b^2), c=cos(w)=a/r, s=sin(w)=b/r. cos(w/2)=sqrt((1+c)/2) =sqrt((r+a)/(2r)), which is always nonnegative; sin(w/2)=sgn(b)*sqrt((1-c)/2) =sgn(b)*sqrt((r-a)/(2r)) So the square roots of z are: +/-[sqrt((r+a)/2)+sgn(b)*sqrt((r-a)/2)*i].

Didn't really understand why we have to put only plus on 3:07 If sqrt(16(a^2+b^2)) is greater than 4a it's ok? Isn't it

@bprpmathbasics

9 ай бұрын

If sqrt(16(a^2+b^2))>4a, then 4a " - " sqrt(16(a^2+b^2)) would be negative, and x^2 can't end up with a negative because x is real

2:08 if b=0 and a

More complex numbers later on this channel?

The consequence of the formula is that the complex number will have two distinct root, hmm. Complex numbers sure are complex and they really defy my expectations.

@angeldude101

2 жыл бұрын

Positive real numbers already have 2 distinct square roots. We just usually pretend one of them doesn't exist unless we're solving a quadratic. Be glad you're not dealing with hypercomplex numbers like quaternions. In those cases there can be infinitely many square roots for certain values. For complex numbers, x² = y -> √y = ±x. But sometimes, i² = j², but ±i ≠ ±j.

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@SyberMath

2 жыл бұрын

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@advaykumar9726

2 жыл бұрын

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3:39 you say that we only want the positive root because then when we try to get x it'll be real, but that's only if the discriminate is greater than -b. What you're saying is true in this case but generally it's not necessarily true.

@abrahammekonnen

2 жыл бұрын

Or at least I think so lol

@jursamaj

2 жыл бұрын

That's nice, but this case is the case he's solving.

Its super easy, either use the exact sqme taylor seiries you would use to do sqrt in the first place. Or if you have q purely real calculator use qrchtqn to do q complex logarithem divide by two and raise e to it

But in the start, didnt you use (a * b)² = a² * b² ? I thought that doesnt apply for imaginary numbers! Because you have to half the angle? Did i miss something?

Sqrt(a²+b²) = |a+bi|

@jonnypei9137

2 жыл бұрын

@@antonis12gl48 i think they probably mean for the final expressions for x and y

@proloycodes

2 жыл бұрын

@@antonis12gl48 somebody has forgotten about || notation and complex numbers

@antonis12gl48

2 жыл бұрын

@@proloycodes You 're right, it means distance. I didn't see the i at the end. And I thought he meant sqrt(a^2 +b^2)= |a+b|. Sorry.

I'm always wondering. If b is an even number (i.e., b=2b'), x=[-b'±√{(b')^2-ac}]/a is the formula for solving quadratic equations, but I've never seen anything using in other videos of the same kind. I think this is easier and more convenient, but why? In this video, x^2=[2a+√{(-2a)^2-4*(-b^2)}/4, so it seems like there's not much difference, but if "a" of a(x^2)+bx+c=0 is 1, the denominator becomes 1 and feels very easy.

And there is me who said: sqrt a+bi=sqrt i So a+bi=i

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I don't undersand one thing, why you have b/2a, bacause it is -b/2a, it is a mistake

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Slightly difficult

Cube roots of a+bi using this method cannot be obtained. Prove me wrong.

2:10 how to simplify: a = x^2 - (b^2 / 4x^2) cancel the x^2's a = 1 - b^2 / 4 a = 1 - b^2 / 2^2 cancel the ^2's a = 1 - b/2

@plislegalineu3005

2 жыл бұрын

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@HershO.

2 жыл бұрын

I think I need some sleep after reading this

@star_ms

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that you can cancel the x^2's. Or the ^2's. Better than that, let's stop using the word 'cancel', since it's misleading.

@HershO.

2 жыл бұрын

@@star_ms I think it's sarcasm lmao

@star_ms

2 жыл бұрын

@@HershO. Math and sarcasm usually doesn't go together in most contexts, so I assumed it wasn't.

just geometry?

first

so you call this is hard ?????

This is an unnecessary waste of time. Just put this all in polar coordinates.