As a former Land Rover owner I love the brand a lot. That being said, I wish they would go back to their roots and make the Defender a truly rugged off road/mil spec/agricultural type vehicle. Leave the luxury with the Range Rover models. And improve reliability.

@akk424

Ай бұрын

Why don’t we see people say the same thing about Mercedes g wagon?

@christiansaywhat4492

Ай бұрын

A stock rover on Poison Spider is a pretty good indicator that it’s good off road.. and better than any before it.

the big problem with this new defender is going to be the price... it will be super expensive..

@Wolfman57

2 ай бұрын

Apparently over £200,000 !!!

Great Job Andre and Nathan 🔥

Good work, Corey!

Best update in awhile. Thanks Cory

2:00 Defender has been available w GY Wrangler Duratrac since Dec 2019 2:00 4:00 5:24

Land Rover, just offer proper off road tire/wheels on your existing vehicles. That would be a starter!

Not many of these will ever see anything close to going off-road. But they know there will be more free publicity if one of these is shown off-road instead of at the local mall

@MrJordanwain

2 ай бұрын

All land rovers are developed off road as well as on road. They’re tested in the arctic circle and in the Middle East sand dunes.

@texandy89

2 ай бұрын

Exactly and are un reliable as well the new Defender is a mall crawler.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Its ok you'll get there one day 👊🏽

@vabiro

2 ай бұрын

The Defender model year is only about 4 years old. As used, and well depreciated, examples come on the market there will be more used off-road. This has been the case for decades. I bought my 1998 Discovery off someone else's lease and immediately started using it off road, and it was fantastic. Flash forward to 2021 and I bought a Defender and took it on the trail, and it was fantastic, but not something I am going to do every weekend. For that, I may pick up a used one in a few years.

@shiftmotorsports9803

2 ай бұрын

My watch is waterproof to 300m. I don't even shower with it on, but good to know I can

These things are designed to look expensive in your driveway, not for off-roading. I'd rather get the Ineos Grenadier.

@Gemini_0815

2 ай бұрын

The Grenadier is exactly the same as the defender in terms of off road worthiness, but in its case the money was spent to make it look like it’s more substantially offroadish than a defender. In reality it’s just the worse vehicle because it lacks the tech the defender has. It’s worse on road and off road. The only area it excels in, is maybe ease of maintenance. But even that is not proven yet.

@peopleschamp7258

Ай бұрын

​@Gemini_0815 you seem well versus in Grenadiers. What did you like and not like when you offroad it? How is it in the road

@Gemini_0815

Ай бұрын

@@peopleschamp7258 the grenadier is good off road. The problem is on road it is cramped and noisy. The fuel consumption is much higher than the defender. The suspension is a lot less comfortable. It drives very traditionally around corners, whereas the Defender takes corners just as well as a passenger car. The grenadier does not have a suspension system which allows it to maintain good ride hight wenn carrying a load. Instead it looses ground clearance, which is not that much to begin with. It’s just very old school and as much as that has its own appeal, but it has to be less expensive because it is so much less capable compared to a Defender. The grenadier is a one trick pony. It’s trick is looking tough.

@peopleschamp7258

Ай бұрын

@@Gemini_0815 so you have a Grenadier? What makes it cramped?

@Gemini_0815

Ай бұрын

@@peopleschamp7258 no I don’t. I’ve just driven both grenadier and defender. Comparing the two, I don’t see why you’d want a Grenadier over a Defender from a driving and usability perspective. Both are very good vehicles, it’s just that the Grenadier is more compromised at the same kind of money.

Defender Raptor

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Guy that was in charge of building the raptor is behind the OCTA now

This is going to be epic 33s stock, 600+hp, hydro shock system with air bags,no sway bars, lifted, pumped out guards, high rear quad exhaust in rear bumper. For those that think its not reliable, we have had 2, and 60,000 hard ks offroad and on and never towed home! They are epic, the defender OCTA is going to be in a class of its own 💪🏾 Extreme onroad and offroad with 5star safety and supreme comfort and still unitilitarian has never really been done 🤯

@charliemcawesome5012

2 ай бұрын

People on islands should build boats. Not pretend off roaders that break down all the time.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

​@@charliemcawesome5012if that made even 1% sense I would possibly reply. 😂

@StephenFogarty2023

2 ай бұрын

I don’t disagree But It would be great if JLR offered these upgrades with a D300 motor, and as a lower spec version, to get the price down.. 🙏🏻

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

@@StephenFogarty2023 great feedback, no doubt the tech will trickle through, an offroad/widetrack pack would be epic

@StephenFogarty2023

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods Agree Cheers. 👍

Honestly this thing is just a range rover dressed as supposed to be a land rover discovery. I just missed the old body on frame land rovers.

I’m shocked that is not on the back of towing truck en route to the service! How is it still working? How many times engine, gearbox and electrics has been replaced within last week?!

I bet the tires will be the new BFG K03 They have slightly different tread designs.

I didn't see a ko2. That sidewall is very distinctive. Finally! They never offered a good off road tire.

I think You mean Defender. JLR’s LR wants to divide sub brands by Range Rover, Defender & Discovery w different sizes of each.

The tires in the video look like BFG Trail Terrain tires.

If this new defender is actually reliable I'll buy 1 .

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Head to your dealer then, they are great!

@bushtrash2286

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods umm I'll wait for other ppl to buy the new one and see how reliable it is.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

@@bushtrash2286 you mean the OCTA or new defender in general? New def been out for 4years

@bushtrash2286

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods the one in the video,.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

@@bushtrash2286 copy that, good thing is the engine and 6D susp system that will be on the OCTA has been tested in the 2024 Range Rover Sport SVR. All the rest should be tried and tested gear from the 2020-24 New Defender.

This is basically a Range Rover sport sv, this will be a road focused sports vehicle rather than a off rd vehicle, the suspension is basically a sports car design as in the sport SV , so let’s not get to excited by it off rd capability, this will be basically the flag topping range of the defender Think merc G 63

The off-road tire isn’t a KO2 on at least one of the vehicles when you were talking of the brand and zoomed in on the tire stopped there. Just by looking at the tread, it’s not a BFG KO3 either. Looks more like WildPeaks, but I would say for sure. I sold KO2s for 42 years. That how old that tread design is! 😂😂. It’s was great out of the box with minor, evolutionary changes over the years and more significant casing & tread compound changes as the technology evolved. Pretty impressive.

@shitloveaduck

2 ай бұрын

@@bartcanuck734 - Hahaha. Do I detect some sarcasm?? Heh heh.

LR needs to make them reliable first.

@vabiro

2 ай бұрын

Reliability of contemporary Land Rovers is comparable to most new vehicles. Take a look at recall rates for other manufacturers. Many, so-called, reliable brands have problems too, and at higher rates than the Land Rovers made over the past 20 years.

@richfarfugnuven6308

2 ай бұрын

​@vabiro why does Consumer Reports list the three Tata brands at the bottom of reliability ratings, then?

@vabiro

2 ай бұрын

@@richfarfugnuven6308 I am not sure what Tata's ownership has to do with it. Land Rover has also been owned by Rover Group, BMW, and Ford, and of the four its most reliable has been under Tata.Having owned one, or three, my reliability has been substantially better than friends that have other brands, such as BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo.

@richfarfugnuven6308

2 ай бұрын

@vabiro Tata has not been known for reliability, not even a little. They are plagued by electronics problems. I agree the brands you mentioned are not much higher on the reliability spectrum. If I want reliability, I go older with no real electronics, like my '05 TJ Rubicon, or Japanese(except Nissan, French garbage). Also Volvo is Chinese owned, which explains a lot. German brands lost reliability in the early '90s...

This car is super peace of engineering..

Its not an KO2, not even KO3.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Most likely trail terrain, they are also testing the Goodyear Wrangler duratrac

7:45 you forgot the biggest competitor: the Mercedes G

Most companies are going smaller 4 pot turbos, hybrid or full EV. Land rover "nah" v8 twin turbo 650 bhp...

Wow! What an expensive and stylish piece of..... garden furniture it would be.

Defenders are no more unreliable than other brands!

Prolly the new ko3's

The interweb is great again lol Is Land Rover and Jaguar owned by Tata? Jaguar Land Rover has been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tata Motors, in which Tata Sons is the largest shareholder, since 2008. Two brands. Two distinct personalities. Both connected by the elements of quality and sustainability that underpin Jaguar Land Rover's future of modern luxury by design.

@richfarfugnuven6308

2 ай бұрын

Not reliability, unfortunately...

Why is it named OCTA? it's only 2 wheel drive (FWD to be exact)? Because it has 8 turbochargers. That's why.

Mall crawler for rich soccer moms.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Yes thats why it's been tested in extreme locations all around the world 👊🏽

If Land Rover went back old school, that would be problems for ineos. Too bad it won’t happen

Will this break down before or after you get to the trail?

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Neither 🙄

@waynelaughton3812

Ай бұрын

Fhhhhhh! Yep many stories about problematic Defenders (new and old) but the great majority just keep the smile on owners faces. L663-Defender in particular are awesome and while traditional Defender owners (in many instances) don't agree, they are brilliant vehicles. Flaming expected 😁

The new Defender is a discovery 5 or 6 not a defender ( the Suzuki jimmy is more of a defender) make it the same size and shape of the original defender 90 110 & 130

@TFLnow I have more info and photos about these Defenders I could share with you if you are interested.

All the new advancement in tech, yet it doesn't even come close to the Range Rover that completed the Darien Gap Expedition.

Lets hope LR uses 18" or 17" diameter wheels....anything bigger and it is a fail for off roading.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Depends on the tyre size 👍🏽

@georgecarousos6735

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods The odds of LR fitting a 35" or larger tire isn't going to happen IMO. So if they are running the stupid 20" diameter rims, that does not leave a lot of sidewall for either airing down or rock rash protection when the going gets tough. I don't understand why they have such big brake rotors when my F350 stops better than my Range Rover with double the GVWR and I can fit 17" rims over the rotor and caliper. An 18" wheel with a 34" diameter tire would be a great option.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

@@georgecarousos6735 its coming out on 33s, adding 35s will be easy as. They choose a tyre from factory to suit most users not the minority. Remember this vehicle is about extreme on and offroad performance

@georgecarousos6735

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods I will never live long enough to see an OEM vehicle that is about "extreme on and off road performance"....it just cannot co-exist as compromises have to be made, at least for my definition of extreme. My Range Rover is supercharged so it has the stupid Brembo brake package and 20" rims. I run a 2.5 lift with 32.5" tires....not enough sidewall to really are down sufficiently and not pinch the sidewall or scrape the hell of the wheels. Even 35" tires on 20's is not enough sidewall for real 4x4 performance. This new OCTA should have both front and rear lockers and they should also work when in REVERSE. Rumor has it they don't which is a huge off road fail. In low range they should allow the driver to engage the front locker independent of the rear if the driver requires it. No OEM does that...another fail on all manufacturers part, including Jeep and the Bronco.

Soon to be spied on a flatbed heading to the nearest garage!

That’s not a KO2, some other A/T

How many times did it break down already

JLR should concentrate on quality and reliability first. Stock Defenders are far more capable off road than most drivers skills.

👍👍👍

They breaue

These will not live than 5 years

Landrover Pretender 2.0.

NOBODY who buys this will ever take it off road. They'll change the registration plate to something that vaguely refers to their name, they'll drive it around for attention, then they'll take it back to trade in for the new model a year later. Ridiculous

Meh, not interested until LR gets their act together on reliability.

Why do they have auch a hard on for anything by Land Rover. They make trash vehicles.

It’s a jacked up Mini Clubman 😂

do ppl mountain bike in these areas, that would seem far more rewarding than sitting in a 7000lb truck that is doing all the work for you

@coachvonyo

2 ай бұрын

It's certainly possible, but there are countless trails that are made for mountain biking, whereas trails like Poison Spider Mesa are geared more towards OHV, full size, and motorcycles. I can assure you the reward of navigating this trail to the arch and overlook is rewarding no matter your choice of navigation.

Overpriced out of reach SUV that will be used by affluent middle aged housewives to go shopping at Beverly hills.

BFG KO2! ❤!!!! 🤗🤗🤗🤗

It is such a same the are so unreliable

Oh boy… an even more expensive unreliable rover.

+600hp of 💩

Still trash.

Awesome find. Sadly, if you are correct, LR confuses big V8s with off-road needs. It is all about the gears as generations of off road vehicles have proven, not big V8s. Now don't get me wrong as I love big V8s, but I would rather have the option to get the proper suspension with a lesser but still totally adequate engine. I am expecting this is a production vehicle and not a race truck when I say this.

Isn’t that made by Tata Motors from India?…. mmm smell the quality and reliability, can’t wait 🔧 🔩 🛻

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

Racist much

@bartcanuck734

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods racist? quality isn’t a gender or human race issue there snowflake. What a stupid thing to say. Is it racist to speak factual? Is it racist to suggest Japanese vehicles have dependability? that Italian cars are fast? you are quite the Karen ❄️

@bartcanuck734

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods ok there ❄️. Is saying Japanese make dependable vehicles racist? That Italy makes fast cars is racist? stop being a Karen.

@newdefendermods

2 ай бұрын

@@bartcanuck734 Fyi TATA owns JLR and New Defenders are made in Slovakia. So how does an owners of a car company in India that builds in Slovakia make them smell unreliable and not quality. Its pure racism. Agree to disagree. But hope you have a great day all the same 🙂

@bartcanuck734

2 ай бұрын

@@newdefendermods just stop with your crying. When they score high on dependability I will get interested 😭 Karen.