If they aren't on the same tyres none of this really means much!

@stop_lying_bro

5 ай бұрын

Said this to the wife while watching lol

@stephencollins7714

5 ай бұрын

Completely agree and same driver too ideally. This was fun but not very objective.

@memememine1

5 ай бұрын

I think the only two vehicles that had the same tires were the grenadier and the raptor which both had k02s.

@SVP7

5 ай бұрын

Rubicon if on stock tires has k02s also

@restowagenuk

5 ай бұрын

@@SVP7Rubicon comes with KM3 Mud Terrains from factory

Different drivers and different tyres, will always produce unfair comparisons.

Off road tests by motoring journalists are usually superficial, are carried out with little ability and don't account for any variables. This doesn't disappoint.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

3 ай бұрын

Yes but even though that's true the Jeep would still be the best because the specs are just there and I've seen them in person they are literally outstanding this terrain totally sucked you should see them do wicked rock crawling in Factory form like the one in the video. It will do stuff none of those can come close to doing if they really really really really really really put it to the test this was nothing for the Jeep

Driver error was very obviously the cause of failure for the Ineos and defender. Just try using the same line!

@JamesPhieffer

4 ай бұрын

It looks like some of the blame, at least, belongs to the tires, and lack of articulation and travel in the front suspensions of the Ineos and Land Rover. Better tires would grab and climb out of the ruts, and a lack of suspension travel and articulation can restrict the ability to get out of a deep rut as well.

@NigelBellandjoshbell

4 ай бұрын

I saw they used different lines as well, the driver in the Defender and Ineos went through the rut when the other driver went up the bank, no wonder one made it and the other didnt.

@anngithire9247

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! How hard can that be!

@seanfenwick

4 ай бұрын

Also both had very road biased tyres.

Next week it's going to be a test on which is the best in the snow, some of the vehicles will have slick tyres and some will have winter tyres to make the test fair.

@CraigK80

5 ай бұрын

And one car will be on dry tarmac 😉😂

This is more a test of driving skills than cars

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

The Jeep is way more capable than all of those things go look up the Jeep testing grounds and see the rock crawling Jeep does to their vehicles from the factory and the articulation and all of the basic off-road things that comes with that other vehicles don't that you have to modify to be like

@UserUser-vo2ky

4 ай бұрын

@@ronaldrrootiii6040 I totally agree with you, the wrangler is head and shoulders above anything else including reliability! I've done 76,000 heavy duty miles in 9 years (I have a wrangler jk) and its been faultless and still looks like new!

Doug proving you can get anything stuck if you just try hard enough to get into the deepest part of the rut you made when getting the last car stuck...

The one thing I learnt in this video. If you want to get up a hill Neil's your man! 😂

@henkstols9326

5 ай бұрын

Hahaz solid comment.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

The Jeep is so Good by far. If you look at what Jeep does at their testing ground they literally do rock crawling slow and precise with stock vehicles

Same driver, same tires and then we can actually compare. Regardless they are all very capable vehicles.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

Until you take the Raptor and the Jeep to a rock crawling Trail the way Jeep does if you look up Jeep Factory testing grounds and you will see the cheapest far more capable it has the most travel the most articulation the lockers the gearing everything

So when the Wrangler passed the third test there was minimal to no hole where the Grenadier dug a hole 😅 and even Defender could not pass it. So yeah it is the drivers mistake because the Raptor took the inside line and avoided the hole you made.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

3 ай бұрын

It wouldn't matter the Jeep is outstanding it can go rock crawling up Boulders in Factory form the way you see it right there. It can do anything at Moab and it can do the Rubicon Trail bone stock Factory form. I mean you don't even need to see it look at the specs long travel suspension sway bar disconnects full lockers super low gearing

I mean straddling the rut that the Grenadier and Defender were plonked straight into probably helped the Raptor look better. So yeah, it was all the drivers choice of line 😂

@bazza2540

5 ай бұрын

Being in the rut wouldve ok with more throttle. The difference is the jeep and raptor have all terrains and twin locker s

@adamgodbold6923

5 ай бұрын

​@bazza2540 the grenadier also has all terrains and twin lockers.

@danielrichards8472

5 ай бұрын

If the defender went to the right the same route as the raptor would have done that rut hill no problem

@pinecreek607

5 ай бұрын

Exactly! The raptor had the easier line.

@bazza2540

5 ай бұрын

@@pinecreek607 If you look the grenadier has full steering lock on, he is trying to go right but slips down because he is going to slow at that point. I firmly believe if the raptor was on the grenadier line with the speed it was going would've made it anyway, it's rear tyres follow that rut as it was

Come on. The drivers pick different lines in the hill climb. No wonder some cars fail. It's driver error. And testing error. Should use one drive, same lines, etc.

Neil took a different line up that second hill - hard right. Doug was left off centre straight into the hole he dug deeper each time.

@lukafranjcic2634

5 ай бұрын

"Ohh I have to avoid it" - drives into it every time 😂

Big factor was one driver seemed more capable than the other

Best off roader for a newbie would be the Duster, most people wont take it past its capabilities and that makes the other vehicles here totally overkill.

@digdilem

5 ай бұрын

Most people don't buy modern Land Rovers for their off road ability though - more about presence on the school run.

It certainly looks like Doug stayed in the ruts on the left and that Neil stayed right and didn’t drop down into the ruts. I’m sure it was far harder than it looked to aim…

Try to make a balanced video next time with vehicles with near enough the same equipment, tyres etc.

@iulianbosneanu

5 ай бұрын

Same cars, same tires, and the guy in defender will never pass. Look at him pushing the brake... that is lame.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

3 ай бұрын

Well I guess that's the way the vehicles come. Land Rover turned ridiculous and deep is still the best. Over here in America that Rubicon can go on ridiculous rock crawling trails that that Defender could never do with any tires because it lacks the articulation and the lockers up front and the long travel and you can't manually adjust anything. The deepest lower it is lighter it has long travel tons of articulation it's just outstanding you should see what it can do. This video is nothing you should Google Factory Jeep Rubicon rock crawling and see what you find

He went straight into the rut. He didn’t have enough momentum. I saw the brake lights come on briefly which is a bad thing on such a climb. Best smack it into 4L and take the crests of the ruts as much as possible so as to beat them into submission and not get stuck or beached.

@superblaster7297

5 ай бұрын

The first Host Neil was going for proper line but the Second host Doug is like, even we make baja trucks get stuck in the mud where even Ignis can climb, It's like, if you want other cars look good Hire Doug so that he can portray even the hardcore off-road vehicle Incapable even if Neil drives an Ignis on a hill-climb test, This test looks more like a Buffoonery by what car guy's 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

I feel this should be done with only the one driver. That way all the comparisons are the same. One driver might be more "impressed" than the other, when both cars can accomplish the same thing

As the owner of a Duster and having owned an old Land Rover Discovery the Duster a great car for the money, it's not perfect, but nothing is but still its a great all-rounder.

The front cross axle locker is not engaged on that Grenadier. Further, a different line is taken by the vehicles that succeeded in the climb vs those that didn’t. Not a great comparison where it really counts.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

Problem with the Grenadier is that it is very heavy and it doesn't have the travel or the articulation that the Jeep does. The Grenadier is trying to be able to tow a lot and handle better on the road while the Jeep is only purely an off-road vehicle go look at Jeep testing grounds and look at what the Rock crawl with from the factory. I like the Grenadier don't get me wrong but the Jeep really is better it's not a comparison about the driver or the tires the Jeep is better I can explain why it's better it's literally better

Rentals can go further and faster than any car that you own or lease.

Duster 👍

Sometimes its not the car.... BUT the driver....

Pointless video without having them all on off-road tyres. Shame

@BryanPike

5 ай бұрын

Moron has all season radial tires on Grenedier.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

3 ай бұрын

Even with better tires nothing would be that cheap in that video. The jeep has way more articulation and lower gearing and is lighter and lower than all of them. In America I seen Jeeps like that do crazy rock crawling Trails totally factory specs

@Thomas-om6ov

3 ай бұрын

The point is from factory spec which they all were

The new Defender model with road tyres does more than fine!

The class action against Jeep for selling Wranglers with known corrosion issues is enough to make it a non-starter for many.

Great review! For those who complain that the Inneos should have been on the same tyres as the Jeep Wrangler, that is what Inneos provided for $85,000. The Jeep tested wasn’t even the best off roader they sell! For $72k Jeep supplies it with a factory lift kit and 35 inch/315 mud terrain tyres. I guess then the next argument would be the Inneos should then be tested with an after market lift kit and bigger wheels. Oh and an after market disconnect-able sway bar…. Do all that and you are looking at $100k + with now no warranty to compete against a stock Jeep.

84bhp for the Duster? It's the 115bhp BlueDCI

Recently hired a very tired Wrangler for some very challenging terrain on holiday and it was so impressive and inspired a ton of confidence. It was horrible on road but as it was clearly poorly maintained I guess that was understandable. Great test but they should all have been on equivalent rubber.

@mvubu6823

5 ай бұрын

They are horrible and downright dangerous on road. Off-road on an obstacle course, they remain the best (or close to) The trick is working out if that one tough obstacle you might be able to drive around is more important than swerving for a cow at 100 kph.

@adamgodbold6923

5 ай бұрын

​@mvubu6823 completed agree! Although in my opinion i think they are to compromised and quite frankly horrible on road. A Ineos is far better and more refined on road and still one of, if not the best, offroad.

@mvubu6823

5 ай бұрын

@@adamgodbold6923 Sadly the lack of clearance makes it really tough to convince the crowds (and me) ThatHORRENDOUS lump in the RHD driver's foot well is a deal breaker for me. I REALLY liked the look and feel of it on a test drive, but I couldn't live with that lump on long drives. Price is also steep. Becomes a much tougher choice when head to head on LC300. If it was PRADO price, it would be that little bit more attractive for me,

@adamgodbold6923

5 ай бұрын

@mvubu6823 yes whilst the price is steep compapared to a lc300 etc. Id personally pay the extra, as you get what you pay for. The ground clearance is just 10mm less than a rubicon, whilst it makes a difference its not a huge diffrence. Yes the lump is annoying and for some uncomfortable, however its a quirk i could live with. No cars are perfect.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

​@@adamgodbold6923the Grenadier is better on the road because it has less Flex and travel

This was a 100 % skill issue.

Raptor is designed by Australians who grew up with Land cruisers and Nissan Patrols so regardless of tyres and drivers it is a better vehicle. I have had 3 and always enjoyed driving past land and range rovers in ditches when we get a dusting of snow in the UK.

Rubicon if I had money, Dacia if I could afford new. Subaru Legacy has to do meantime 😢

Probably should have used the same driver to make it fair. However the shock for me was that the duster got up a hill that the defender and ineos couldn't get up! Thats a bit embarrassing given they are purpose built off roaders whilst the duster is a value crossover.

@adamgodbold6923

5 ай бұрын

The duster didnt attempt the hill the defender and ineos failed on. The duster got up the hill (level) before the one they couldn't get up.

Stick them all on the same AT tyres and do the test again. All you’ve done is tested AT against road tyres. Not the vehicles.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

3 ай бұрын

That's true but too bad they're testing them from the factory specs. The Jeep is way lighter has lower gearing, longer travel suspension more articulation complete full lockers sway bar disconnect it's just better you can watch them do rock crawling trails that the defender could never do with any tires because it's too stiff and top heavy

I doubt that’s many £80,000 Defenders will be driven in these conditions. Waitrose car park more likely. I was driving behind a new Defender recently and the brake lights on the driver side were not working. Says it all for me. Interesting comparison as always from these guys. Reality is you could get 3 Dusters instead…

What I've leaned from this is, if you want to climb hills, fit a/t tyres 😂

I would pick that Ignis...gem of a car

You brought a dacia duster but not jimny?!? Come on

@YOCOSMINMAX16

3 ай бұрын

Dacia's better

@-Belshazzar-

2 ай бұрын

@YOCOSMINMAX16 better how? Better as a family car? Sure. Better as an off roader? sure it is lol, jimny is a pure off roader, ladder frame chassis, live axles front and rear, low ratio transfer case, Dacia is just a family car with 4x4, it's nice but jimny eat Dacia for breakfast in any off road scenario. Dacia is better lol

@YOCOSMINMAX16

2 ай бұрын

@@-Belshazzar- Nobody uses 4x4 proper now.

@-Belshazzar-

2 ай бұрын

@YOCOSMINMAX16 speak for yourself. Nobody, I all my friends and many other I know still do. I don't know where you live, but I have a vast desert in my country where we offroad in trails a Dacia would only dream of going. Just because you don't, doesn't mean no one dose lol. Just google offroad and see what people do all over the world in proper off road vehicles like wrangler, land cruiser, bronco, jimny, and the like, people do it all the time. So you don't good for you. Obviously you know nothing about off roading

@YOCOSMINMAX16

2 ай бұрын

@@-Belshazzar- Stfu, when i said "nobody" that means the majority of cheap 4x4 cars of today, my uncle has a business just for proper 4x4 stuff in Romania, search for "Cobrra 4x4". I know what 4x4 means but don't tell me that persons who spend £

Good test guys. Land Rover- 106.2 mpg never in this life.

@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing

5 ай бұрын

it's petrol/electric

@tobychristian4741

5 ай бұрын

Yes. It's BS mpg on all hybrids.

@darrenhaywood9260

5 ай бұрын

I don’t care if it’s running on pixie dust, there is not a chance in hell it’s doing 106.2 mpg.

@russcattell955i

5 ай бұрын

@@darrenhaywood9260 As long as the electricity lasts then the next full mile.

@russcattell955i

5 ай бұрын

@@darrenhaywood9260 I'll tell everyone what does 100 + mpg, Honda cub motorcycles.

They should all have the same tyres on..

@porcobene_media

5 ай бұрын

And the same driver. I see big differences… sorry to say so…

Thank you for this. I’ll go and get a Land Cruiser.

A tyre test.

The Dacia Duster is so capable, the Raptor is a beast 👌

Kinda hope this video gets better. 6 min in and so far you have done a tyre test and a driver test.... Feeling a bit conned by the video title if honest!

I could say that the driver makes a huge difference

I have always been a Jeep fan. So I’m not surprised by the result. But some of the cars had “street” tyres and the Rubicon had proper off road tyres. Can’t wait for the New Landcruiser to take on the Jeep. Provided it has similar tyres. Great video

@martinplewes

5 ай бұрын

All on factory standard tyres though.

@adamgodbold6923

5 ай бұрын

The rubicon had All Terains as well as the Grenadier and Raptor which both had KO2 AT tyres.

You’re stat sheet for the duster at 15:32 is missing a couple of features. It has 360 off-road cameras & hill start assist.

When I go to remote locations in Africa and Australia, I mostly see Landcruisers. Built to last 20 years in tough conditions. Impressed with the Ineos quality, like a military GWagon W464, metal not plastic. Also impressed with the Ford capability. Rubicon 2.0 petrol engine too stressed for the weight = no longevity.

You should have used a D300 with AT tyres instead of the P400e with road tyres would have done that hill no problem.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

Yes but it wouldn't matter if you took that to a rock crawling Trail and a bone stock Jeep crawled right up with articulation and travel that the defender doesn't have. Look up Factory Jeep Proving Grounds and look what Jeep can do. All this stuff is super easy they didn't even put the Jeep in low range

@ckaparos

5 ай бұрын

The point is Defender has hightway tyres while the ford has ko2s and the jeep has M/T tyres. All tyres should be similar to be fair for this review.@@ronaldrrootiii6040

I think if change the INEOS and DEFENDER driver the could go up in the las hill

Didn’t use same modes on all vehicles. One went up in high range another was low range and locked. The Defender seemed to have street tyres on it not All Terrains! And was it in Mud/Ruts mode?

Why has no KZread channel got sponsored by a tire manufacture so they can put the same tires on all the test cars??? That would make a lot of sense.

@hhjones9393

5 ай бұрын

TFL Truck does that sometimes

No off road tyres on the defender or grenadier but the raptor is off road ready. What a fix

I own a wrangler and I can tell you it's bloody fantastic

@ronaldrrootiii6040

3 ай бұрын

Yeah people don't get it. I'm like come on just look at the specs. It's lighter and has more travel and has articulation it has full lockers it's just no contest at all. I feel like people who still try to think the new Defender is going to do so good are people that just don't understand these Concepts and they're just more into the name of the vehicle and the look. You could tell me the specs of what the jeep has and what everything else has and I would know what's going to do better without even seeing it do better. Here in America people take rubicons on rock crawling Trails totally factory specs and climb up boulders

I’ll still take a Raptor! Too much fun!

I’m happy and proud owner of 2 door wrangler with 3,6 liters, glad it’s won 😅

Why didn’t he lock the axles on the grenadier, it would’ve made it otherwise or if he would take the same line

@adamgodbold6923

5 ай бұрын

I agree with wither dif lock or the same fair line it would have made it! Not a fair test.

@jonahfastre

5 ай бұрын

@@adamgodbold6923 yeah, they definitely could’ve benefitted from a driver upgrade

The second man is taking all the wrong lines in the third hill climb, and failing the cars. I believe the voice over is done by the second man. What he misses is that along the final rut, first driver always took a far right line to avoid it at the first place from a few metres before. And the second driver always chose the wrong line, going straight into the rut. Strange!

Id say the jeep had the advantage and wassnt a fair test as the jeep didn't have to stop. Also the grenadier didnt have thr advantage of trying a different line A very good video and just the type i enjoy Top men happy 2024

The Gren and Def failed the hill climb because the DRIVER FAILED to follow the same line as the Ford.

All cars should be using same off road tire for a fair comparison, with same driver for a better comparison of performance. One driver if lifting off when car Slows. Result? Car gets stuck. Raptor is clearly an amazing all rounder and best value.

The driver defines the out come. Taking good lines evidently helps.

Dear Harry. Love both your channels. Quick question... What impact will your contractors have? What impact in the foood industry if all farmers follow your same decision? Thanks

They certainly were telling the truth when they said they had no idea how to drive off road. Doug's ability to hit the exact same rut *every* time is impressive. That takes a high level of Lack Of Awareness Or Skill to manage, especially after watching others avoid the rut.

neil just avoids that rut by choosing to go right. the other driver of the ineos just goes right at it, in the middle

One thing often missed out by these reviews or test's is long term ownership...and after working in motor trade for 40yrs ..One thing that I can easily say the cost of OEM jeep parts is shocking...example door window £990 ...starter motor £1800 ..

Next time please get a driver who can off-road, knows how to set the cars up, turns diff locks on when needed, and fit equivalent tyres. Otherwise a masterpiece of incompetence over technology and the landscape.

How about doing this with the Q8 e-tron? It would be interesting to see how a BEV woudl cope.

Lesson 1 when off reading always use low range to save life of transmission/ clutch 🤷🤦

there's a massive difference in tyres between jeep and ineos. I can admit different brands or whatever, but the size of them matter a lot here

@6:59 you can clearly see that the front diff isn't locked. I'm hearing stories of these diffs being difficult to keep engaged.

Tyres maketh the car - at least in terms of hill starts on loose ground. That the two cheaper cars are also half the weight of the others makes a big difference too.

I see this all the time. If you want a real comparisen test they need to all have the same tires

Wow awesome video😊

This video would be perfect but the journalists are a little too stiff for KZread 🙈

you have the defender on road tyres! easily the best off road (bar wrangler but that’s compromised towing etc)

Why is there no detailed discussion about the types of tires used? Without the same type of tire being used on all the vehicles, this comparison of off-road ability, especially on muddy tracks and steep slopes is a complete waste of time.

I think the weight of the Grenadier works against it.

I am glad I watched other videos before this. So my pick would be Ineos Grenadier, Toyota Land Cruiser, or Nissan Petrol. Thank you. And I think people need to watch other Ineos Grenadier Videos before watching this other wise people will get wrong information. This is why more research and information is better before buying a car.

I enjoyed watching the Video l. One of the best Comparison Group Tests 😊

I would like to see if the opinions changed with an Australian Ranger Raptor with 100hp more than the one you have in Europe.

Did I miss something at the intro? Does the ineos not have front lockers?

Tyre pressure?

I blame the granaider on the driver lifting off at the exact worst part. Also as is proof at 6:33 he didn't have his front diff engaged. They blink on the switch you have to select it twice. Also needed to deflate the tires some.

Can’t wait for the new Land Cruiser

Duster has hill start/hold assist so why is he mocking about with handbrake? As we can see front bumper is taking a beating, I recomend investing in upgraded skid plate that covers bottom of the bumper, this little car can take you to a lot of awful places if you give it proper tires.

l changed the tyres on my new Defender for the Goodyear Wrangler and it's much better off road. The standard tyres are poor in mud, so l am surprised the Defender did as well as this on effectively road tyres. However out of all these l would take the Wrangler, it's a true classic and looks right at home on that terrain.

I agree the Wrangler is a great 4x4, I would buy one but sadly doesn’t have 3.5 ton towing capacity. Hence considering the Grenadier to replace my current Shogun.

@seanstewart6292

5 ай бұрын

then go with the renegade.

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

Well yeah that's because anything that can tow a lot or handle good on the road doesn't have as much articulation and travel off-road and is much heavier

@ronaldrrootiii6040

5 ай бұрын

​@@seanstewart6292why would he go with a crappy Jeep Renegade unibody construction that cannot tow 7000 lb which is what 3.5 tons is

@seanstewart6292

5 ай бұрын

i meant the gladiator my bad@@ronaldrrootiii6040

@Thomas-om6ov

3 ай бұрын

Maybe look into a grand Cherokee most can tow 3.5 ton while being very good off road and comfortable

What was the point of going through the water😂😂😂

You can't fault vehicles for hill performance when you failed to take the successful line.

Filmed at Millbrook which considering the Ineos practically lived there during its trials phase it should do well. I’ve done 100’s of miles there.

Is the Dacia Duster actually a real 4WD with proper diff locks? Or is it just mimicking these electronically?

people why so much hate on this Chanel, im Glad that they did a test like this. but i got to be honest Doug isn't a good offroad driver 😂 and yes Dacia Duster is the winner for me alone the 24k preis tag with those capabilities 👏🎉

If a vehicle goes first and digs up the ground it’ll make it much harder for the second vehicle. The Ineos went second and the wrangler went flat out digging the ground up making it much harder. If the wrangler went around and tried it again I bet it would have struggled

This test would have been far more representative with driver rotation....

You chaps don't realise, for another 2000 Euro the Duster can be transformed into a 4x4 I only can wish my Raptor can keep up with. Here is the list I did on my play toy Duster: 1. Increase groud clearance with cheap coil struts (+30mm) 2. Increase ground clearance even more by changing tires to 235/70R16 (same size Rim) 3. Install the Blokka rear differential (LockRight locker). 4. Chip the engine to 102Kw and 340Nm !!!!! (And yes, I meant to write 340Nm out of a 1451cc diesel engine) 5. Install a Torsen differential in the front axle. Now compare this to the Raptor and if you know a thing or two about maths, you'll figure out why the Duster will go places very few road legal 4x4's can go. One more pice of the puzzle is: The Duster is only 1300Kg while the Raptor is 2 metric tonnes+ :( In the end - it is not the absence of power which gets you stuck. Most modern 4x4's have plenty power. Wheel grip is the real issue. And if you do the above to your Duster, you'll have 28cm ground clearance and the Raptor will need 35in tires to keep up with you... (My Raptor came out with only 33in tires)

Were the tyres the same on all the vehicles? If not it’s hardly a fair test

What happened with the lockers??

I was more excited to see the little Ignis 💪.