For the ___ people still invested, Shandy released a video today thoroughly responding to Birdman’s response: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iG2ixclycaeuh8Y.html Given how ill-inducingly awful Birdman’s counters were, along with completely misrepresenting my video and my character, I didn’t feel like making one myself was a good use of my time. But Shandy decided to do god’s work and give our winged friend a long overdue ego check. Give it a watch if you somehow think his video holds up.

@shandydasquire

Жыл бұрын

Scottish Poggers

@friedbert4478

Жыл бұрын

Seems like waiting three and a half months to finally watch this banger was a good idea after all 🤠

@stygames5450

Жыл бұрын

Based squirrel

@ben2808

Жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ loves you

@ben2808

Жыл бұрын

@@stygames5450 Jesus Christ loves you

the public ignoring actual evidence is the most realistic part of this movie.

@Cam_Can_Play

Жыл бұрын

People wouldn’t believe the stupid shit they believe now if they didn’t ignore all actual evidence proving them wrong, now would they?

@b1bbscraz3y

Жыл бұрын

America irl

@lucky_shot5989

Жыл бұрын

Damn so true

@taherkagdi2781

Жыл бұрын

Not true, public does ignore actual evidence but that happens when things fit their propaganda. Between Mysterio and Spiderman, the public has no need to take sides especially when there is overwhelming evidence against against one of them

@zoruamaster2495

Жыл бұрын

@@taherkagdi2781 I mean the same group that wanted superheroes to follow laws and procedures in civil war would benefit greatly by slandering one of those superheroes using tech to mass kill civilians- even enough ti get certain news outlets to gloss over some evidence

I love the movie while still understanding that it is extremely flawed.

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

At least you have a brain my friend, while the shills continue to chew it like bubble gum in spite of it's taste.

@orzen_the_orzo933

Жыл бұрын

I love so many bad movies lol and some of my favorite movies are trash

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

@@orzen_the_orzo933 like what and why?

@robobrain10000

Жыл бұрын

What do you like about it? I can't fathom how you can like something that is "extremely flawed".

@mahoutsuguy863

Жыл бұрын

@@robobrain10000 theres levels to it im sure. Arent there movies you love that you can admit arent the best? And likewise, movies that are very solid but you just dont enjoy? TL;DR, liking something and it being good are two separate things I think (Not attacking but just vomiting oit my thoughts while i have a chance to type em)

I love how the writers just kept saying “Believe me, we talked about it” when questioned about the movie and its implications and plot holes.

@CodiusRed

10 ай бұрын

Its because they couldn't talk about how Doctor Strange: MoM was supposed to be released first and how America Chavez was the one supposed to be casting the spell (as we see her learning magic at the end of that movie), but she doesn't know the consequences of altering it, then screws the spell up, which mixes with here universal powers which causes the variants to show up. But the writers talked about it lol. There's a whole other comment thread about this somewhere on this video.

@Evets_03

10 ай бұрын

@@CodiusRed I’m just gonna pretend MoM wasn’t delayed and the original plan happened so this movie can be better. Yep full denial baby

@harshitrawat811

6 ай бұрын

WAS GOING TO COMMENT THIS EXACT THING

@loganbigmo

5 ай бұрын

@@CodiusRed and then the ending was her using Multiversal portal powers to bring in Tobey and Andrew. But MoM got release date swapped and the whole story for that movie was rewritten.

@thegreatacolyt1277

3 ай бұрын

Great movie tho

I think adding the scene where Peter defeats Strange with "geometry" in the "You can't expect Peter to use his resources reasonably under stress" part would've added a little more kick to the point.

@jcs7206

11 ай бұрын

Idk man I wouldn't consider using geometry to beat the sorcerer supreme reasonable. I'd consider it crackhead insane.

@robonator2945

11 ай бұрын

to be fair that scene was also pretty bullshit. The obscene mental boost you'd need to pull that off would make Peter the smartest man on earth by a fucking landslide. It'd be one thing if it was "oh, shit, I know these geometric patterns, I'll let my intuition take the wheel since I already know a bit of what's going on here and I'm betting strange isn't anticipating it" but he was actively talking as if he was doing the calculations in his head. Even if we accept that that is *_possible_* as a result of his enhanced spider-senses (which would be an entirely new power we never otherwise see) it would still mean he has the mental capacity to do near-any arbitrary mathematical operations at *_least_* including complex real-time trig & calculus (since the numbers would be changing in real time) several dozen times parallelized (since each individual webbing would be it's own set of calculations) in a matter of seconds with a mere superficial understanding of the fields. (since he would only be a highschool graduate by the time of this scene implying, at best, he has just taken Calculus 1) If the scene was written so that it was just him intuiting and approximating that would be one thing, but the scene is written as him actually performing these math operations in his head which is just obscenely OP.

@omkarpatole9013

11 ай бұрын

@@robonator2945 to be fair, in universe it makes no sense, but out of universe peter implies that hes constantly doing physics and math calculations for proper webswinging. so i guess its believable like that? but yeah in the movie no.

@JosepiThe13th

7 ай бұрын

@@robonator2945It’s not a new ability. It’s always been established that Peter uses his intelligence to calculate the trajectory of objects he tosses and him swinging around. Some of it is Spidey Sense, but mathematics have always played a part as well.

@robonator2945

7 ай бұрын

​@@JosepiThe13th ah yes, calculating trajectories, that thing that literally every human ever does everytime they throw a ball, is the exact same as processing dozens to hundreds of simultanious multi-variable calculus equations over trigonometric functions in real time accounting for both radial and cartesian changes over time to tie precise self-closing nets within seconds while flying through the air. This is like arguing that it's totally reasonable for timmy to make a quantum super computer because they make cheap DIY Calculator kits for children. Saying this is off by orders of magnitude would be an insult to the very concept of measurement. Tesla could just about compute moderately complicated integrals in his head because he had a very very *_very_* rare case of synesthesia that made his brain excellent at on-the-fly approximations and he is still remembered as one of the worlds greatest inventors. ( a condition which had serious downsides mind you because it meant he was relying on his gut rather than actual knowledge, this is why he got so fixated on things like wireless power despite them being infeasible; he *_felt_* like they were ) Peter isn't even 20 and is doing math so much faster that is so much more advanced I'm genuinely not sure if there is even a phrase to describe it. If Peter actually could compute data as fast as shown in that scene Tony Stark was already last century's model before he was even born. The fact that he can climb on walls, has precognition, has superhuman strength, senses, etc. isn't even a rounding error in comparison to just how ludicrously fast and inteligent he would have to be for that scaling to be consistent.

"Dr. Strange and Spider-Man have super speed." Aw shit, here we go again.

@earnace1473

Жыл бұрын

So true😂😂😂

@1xlaz2

Жыл бұрын

But he clearly omitted the one other scene that does have super speed implications, he did however show the lead up to that scene just not the part that has the super speed implications

@shaheersajid4504

Жыл бұрын

"There's nowhere to run!!".

@anantonyproduction

Жыл бұрын

Bro they did this to explain the spider-sense

@Shenaldrac

Жыл бұрын

Don't stop to quip don't stop to quip don't stop to quip don't stop to quip.

The inconsistencies with Strange are actually something I have a degree of sympathy towards the filmmakers on. Multiverse of Madness was supposed to come out before this movie, and established America Chavez as a character. She was supposed to be the one who cast the spell, which would've made her not divulging all of the details to Peter and subsequently messing it up make much more sense. After MoM was delayed to come out after No Way Home, the writers had to hastily write America out of the film, which explains why Strange acts so out of character. He was never meant to cast the spell in the first place.

@gon720

Жыл бұрын

the issue is that it is still problematic from the persetive of why not her using that magic on wanda and everyone else include any thing that happens in the future.

@RevJ7

Жыл бұрын

But the fact remains: he did. "It wasn't supposed to be like that" is not a valid excuse. The movie still fucked him up.

@ariesvalliant760

Жыл бұрын

@@gon720 well at the end of MoM She's learning Magic so she didn't actually know any until the end of the movie she just had her personal powers which is only portal opening and super punch at this point

@thetempleton6622

Жыл бұрын

@@RevJ7 while I agree I have to say that the commenter wasn't giving an excuse, just sympathizing with the makers of the movie

@mr.barcode3186

Жыл бұрын

Along the same lines, she was originally going to actually open her star shaped rifts to the present-day Raimi and Webb verses to bring in Tobey and Andrew because they knew how to beat the villains, rather than the other two Spideys having just... been there the whole time without anyone noticing.

What's really funny about the Tobey-Peter talking about Harry trying to kill him thing, is that Ned could have just asked Andrew - who could have been like "Well... I did... Until he took a goblin serum and tried to kill me." you could even have had Tobey go like "Huh... My friend Harry did that too, whaddya know."

@gabrielbarros493

Жыл бұрын

I'm really confused with your text

@BlockieStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielbarros493 yeah rereading it now, me too haha. If I can remember correctly, I think I was referencing something in the video about the way Tobey talks about his Harry and how it was contrived and didn't really match how Tobey would have viewed their relationship. I think I was providing an alternative where Ned asks Andrew about HIS best friend instead, and when he explains about the events of ASM2, Tobey could confirm that something similar happened to HIS best friend. That way Ned would still have his fears compounded, so we could still get the joke in the movie, but the characters wouldn't feel miswritten.

@SoulKrimson

Жыл бұрын

@@BlockieStudios This makes way more sense It's feels more natural to have Andrew Peter talk about how Harry tried to kill him after taking a serum and then Tobey Peter said Harry shared the same powers similar to the Goblin (I'm not sure if he knows Harry went into Norman chamber) and then you have Ned be worried that he'll end up to be a super villain for his Peter and promises he won't do that Fixing the contrived scene, referencing the old films and fitting in with the past films a 3 in 1

@SpiralTheFirst

3 ай бұрын

Yeah true

@Byronic19134

18 күн бұрын

@@SoulKrimsonThe entire point of that was just to set up the awkward I promise I wont try to kill you joke to Peter, there would have been no need for a whole conversation because we know the meaning.

I feel these inconsistencies would be fine if they showed a court scene with Matt Murdock explaining all this and proving Spider-Man is innocent but is still outed as Peter parker

@idaniluz652

Жыл бұрын

Maybe in the extended cut?

@xrphoenix7194

Ай бұрын

While I would like that scene I think it's unnecessary. Based on Matt's single scene it's clear he is confident there is no real case against peter

@Byronic19134

18 күн бұрын

@@xrphoenix7194Yeah Pete wasn’t worried about the cops as much as the rest of the idiot public.

I know the writers don't want him using the Iron Spider all the time and I'm okay with that (even tho it's my favorite suit) but if we are being realistic he should be using that suit all the time seeing as it's his strongest, most advanced and most useful suit.

@enochlo9156

Жыл бұрын

An easy solution would've been an extremely slow recharge rate, an issue coupled with it being connected to a normal socket instead of one of Tony's arc reactors. Also, it can't be repaired without Tony's workshops. So he has to use it sparingly.

@exploshaun

Жыл бұрын

I always thought he didn't have the suit because Dr. Strange took half of it, but I didn't realize that other than the chest piece in Doc Ock's arms there's also the controller in the apartment. Also the integrated suit didn't do anything except stop a single bullet after the apartment fight.

@callmepsycho3132

Жыл бұрын

It’s my least favorite suit tbh

@AshenDemon

Жыл бұрын

@@enochlo9156 You think it needs charging? it's stark tech

@mikemorro140

Жыл бұрын

@@AshenDemon A lot of Stark's suits would run out of power

You’re like the first person I’ve EVER seen talking positive about the Iron Spider. Mad respect

@lightningpenguin8937

Жыл бұрын

It does make sense for him to use it because it's their, but it almost always becomes a repeat, "Too over reliant on tech." Lesson. I think Pete should have already learned that with stark, but it recurs more then it should.

@spongebobsquarepants2981

Жыл бұрын

@Greg Elchert but if he ever does need to help the Avengers again, he'll be in trouble due to not having the suit anymore lol

@RoyalInspiration

Жыл бұрын

​@@spongebobsquarepants2981 yes, his new suit will get torn to shreds

@b1bbscraz3y

Жыл бұрын

@@spongebobsquarepants2981 use different suits for different situations

@ryatt9365

Жыл бұрын

​@Greg Elchert I disagree. The only necessity for it was him being in open space for a couple minutes in total. Just making him get inside the ship faster and killing Voldemort in a different way would've completely removed the necessity of the Iron Spider suit. He didn't even use any crazy web shooter tech or anything like was shown in FFH, which had a much less advanced suit.

You should totally consider being a Profesional Script Supervisor. Picking not only simple continuity errors but also pointing out the effect of the errors and how to correct them is not an easy task to do. From a fellow KZreadr, good job mate.

@Jay9966

11 ай бұрын

I think all Marvel and DC needs is a team of comic book fans as advisors on their movies, but instead they hire people that don't even read comic books and expect everyone to just put up with their bs.

@aaronnilestoussaint5672

11 ай бұрын

DC and MCU doesnt use that its literally easy to pick apart most of these movies by using plain and simple logic. Dr. Strange shouldve soloed this on his own and shouldnt of even needed Peters help. Strange messing up the spell because of Peter made no sense this is a Strange who fought Thanos and was casting spell literally in life-threatening moments but Peter talking knocks him off makes no sense.

@time2play961

3 ай бұрын

tbh movies will be almost impossible to make in order to make them play as realistic as possible

@benjaminhartsock3281

Ай бұрын

@@time2play961 not about realism, just consistency.

In the finale, the spell seems to only affect this Peter Parker, just because he says "have everyone forget, me." This explains why it doesn't have to affect the other ones. But it doesn't explain why Strange can't just point to MJ and Ned and let them keep remembering.

@matthew_373

10 ай бұрын

They also could have made everyone forget Tom’s Spider-Man instead so that Peter’s friends don’t forget him

@nont18411

6 ай бұрын

@@matthew_373 Or maybe just making everyone realize that Mysterio and his crew are the true bad guys. Why did the film keep forgetting that Mysterio’s crew are still out there?

@matthew_373

6 ай бұрын

@@nont18411 Especially since the word of Dr Strange, a well known hero, would do wonders for convincing people

@CerealExperimentsMizuki

6 күн бұрын

I love how the whole problem started because Peter wanted too many changes to the spell. He could've prevented everything if he had just mentioned everyone in a single change because Strange was legitimately willing to slightly alter the spell so that Peter's friends would remember.

Them turning Harry's death into a joke is still the worst part for me.

@cwizard

Жыл бұрын

No shot you cared that much about Harry

@crocdog5278

Жыл бұрын

Who is harry

@dimitrescu182

Жыл бұрын

@@crocdog5278 Harry Osborn

@badreedinedjellali1328

Жыл бұрын

I was going to give it a chance but then I saw that Peter is still dumbass so I was done with msu spider man

@jeppyjep

Жыл бұрын

@@cwizard Of course we care about Harry. We have 3 movies developing his relationship with Peter and his father.

Spider-Man: Fighting with the avenger’s to stop Thanos & save the world twice. J Jameson: “He’s poisoned our water supply, Burned our crops, And delivered a plague onto our houses!” Earth: “He did?” J Jameson: “No, but are we just gonna sit around & wait until he does?”

@TheIronSaiyan

Жыл бұрын

Nice reference

@jordansharpe1653

Жыл бұрын

But that's how he's supposed to be written though

@jon2949

Жыл бұрын

@Jordan Sharpe I know that, my main criticism was how easily people in NYC were convinced spidey was evil. That was the joke. I just included Jameson because it would fit his character.

@danofsteel785

Жыл бұрын

Now that I think about it, since Bubble Buddy was revealed to be sentient, he really did just let the surfer "experience high tide".

@Shenaldrac

Жыл бұрын

"Wow, newspaper!Alex Jones is right, I hate Spider-Man now!"

I'd love it if you tore into Multiverse of Madness. I was so disgusted by how completely ruined Strange, Wanda, and to some extent Wong had been that I wasn't really paying attention to how broken the plot was, so a breakdown would be helpful.

@jcs7206

11 ай бұрын

Just watch Mauler's Video on it.

@Byronic19134

18 күн бұрын

If you were that disgusted by it why even bother watching more content about it? Hate watching is very unhealthy. MoM was a victim of the virus causing cancelled shoots and a million rewrites to compensate for what they could shoot.

Bird man picks weird hills to die on sometimes.

@Senku05

3 ай бұрын

I mean he was right though.

@yasso222

Ай бұрын

@@Senku05 in what lol

@Senku05

Ай бұрын

@@yasso222 in debunking madvocate. What else would he be right in?

@yasso222

Ай бұрын

@@Senku05 oh I didn't know he had made a response

@Senku05

Ай бұрын

@@yasso222 yeah its listed under 'my response to madvocate' And in that video he debunks his statements in this one and he makes it clear that he was dragged into this argument without prior knowledge

please don't ever stop having the nerd dude in your videos. i love him so much

@rustylarry7465

Жыл бұрын

We love to hate him

@Laurel06471

11 ай бұрын

Same

@spongebobsquarepants2981

7 ай бұрын

Not really it's pretty cringe.

@elviswilliams1131

7 ай бұрын

​@@spongebobsquarepants2981Ironic coming from a guy named spongebob squarepants

To be fair, Harry DID try to kill Peter in Spider-Man 3 TWICE. However it’s still a huge omission on Tobey-Peter’s part not to mention that he died saving his life. I guess Harry would have had to die TWICE to save Peter to be fully redeemed in his eyes.

@mrrbean8317

Жыл бұрын

Well obviously he didn't want that thought to cross the fat kids head cuz imagine being a teen and hearing that comic book or not it'll get ur brain thinking...guess urs wasn't thinking

My 2 biggest problems with NWH are Sandman and Lizard: 1. Sandman wasn't just underused bus misused. They turned him from a reluctant criminal with his heart in the right place to a selfish guy who only cares about him and his. In this movie, he doesn't even feel bad about attacking the good guys (which shits on the ending of Spider-Man 3) or condemning the other villains to die, which doesn't make sense since that's what he attacked Peter over. I know they had to get him on the bad side, and I admit that that's a challenge, but what I would've done is made him just seem like it was painful, like he really didn't want to do it, but he just can't stand never to see his daughter again and couldn't be sure a villain wouldn't destroy the box instead of being like "I just wanna go home! I don't give a shit about anyone!" Something to remember is that Sandman is supposed to be a sympathetic character, and when you take that away, he becomes far less likeable and interesting. Imagine Spider-Man 3 but without the parts where he says he doesn't want to hurt Spider-Man and him saying he didn't want the final battle and his confession scene. His turn to the dark side doesn't even make sense. So he attacks Spider-Man because he thinks he killed Electro (which shows he has empathy for and will fight for even villains being abused), but then he gets teleported, so you think he would see Electro and be like "Oh, Peter didn't kill him." It would also be safe to assume every Spider-Man is good. And then he sees Peter fight Dr. Strange to stop them from dying. Then he sees Peter making cures to help them. Then he sees him succeed with Octavius. All avoiding using the box. But he still doesn't trust him and belittles his efforts. I'm also not entirely sure why he just left when shit went bad, instead of, you know, helping. He couldn't have stopped Electro, but he would've stopped Goblin, saving Aunt May. Goblin, Doc Ock, and Electro all get story arcs not just for this movie but that continue the stories in their original movies. Which Sandman's introduction to this movie perfectly does. While I do think him attacking Peter for killing Electro is in character and noble, this is where the movie takes a wrong turn for me. It was awesome seeing him protect and team up with Peter, and then that gets cut short and goes in a completely different, underused direction. It's like his story stops after he gets shot; he says little and doesn't really do anything and then bails and then shows up at the end to fight alongside all the other villains where he only says "I don't care!" He gets a fraction of a story frontloaded and then a bunch of dead space. 2. I'm not even sure what the Lizard's motivation is. Does he want to get the box to go home not cured and try again, or does he want to destroy it and live in the new universe? Lizard doesn't even know if he dies. He just knows that he fails. I can't even say that they wrote him wrongly because he's barely even in the movie. We don't see him get captured, which Peter isn't part of or there for and barely gets interactioned with. He has no connection to Peter. They should've had a story arc continuing his belief in helping people and science. That would've been interesting. Lizard is by far the least cared about. But I feel like both of these aren't the result of apathy or laziness because the writers kind of had no choice. Because of reasons unknown to the public, those actors didn't show, so they couldn't do anything with their characters resolution for when they turned back human. And coronavirus caused VFX shortages, so they were also limited in what they could do with their CG forms. This is why Venom was actually going to show up to fight in the final battle but was cut and why Lizard didn't go in the apartment. So both human and super forms were handicapped. The movie couldn't do anything more.

@henrygambles3652

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Sandman was wasted, I feel like they could have had Osborn make a threat like “If you don’t join us, Uncle Norman will give little Penny a visit!” Or something but I don’t see why Sandman would want to Join them also he didn’t die to my recollection with Lizard I suppose you could maybe make the argument that Peter curing Connors kills the Lizard side of Connors but unlike other media where the Lizard is clearly another personality, here he is just Curt Connors as a giant lizard!

@smileyface6583

10 ай бұрын

i love how a random youtube comment does a better job with a character than a billion dollar franchise…

@Forsakenruler

3 ай бұрын

@@smileyface6583they arint perfect

“My brother in Christ.” caught me completely off-guard. I’ve been laughing with tears in my eyes for the past five minutes rewinding that part.

@wrisst1712

Жыл бұрын

Really?

@AntwainMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@wrisst1712ummm yeah I wouldn’t commented it if it wasn’t true lol

@OdaKa

Жыл бұрын

@@AntwainMusic you can't expect an explanation like that to hold up

@spongebobsquarepants2981

8 ай бұрын

Sure you did.

My biggest annoyance with the movie was Sandman He should NOT have been opposing them If they needed an extra villain, they could have just had Goblin punch Doc Oc in the neck and break the fix again Rather than Sandman, the guy who's entire motivation is his daughter, and who very much doesn't want his power

@dangerousdoings8066

Жыл бұрын

I think Sandman was getting really anxious and impatient about everything. He was, by all accounts, in an entirely different universe with people he does NOT know, not being able to trust anyone, and he’s already picked up that most of them want to stay and cause havoc… And might kill him too. He was opposing Spider-Man, but he wasn’t exactly friends with the other villains either. He was just going along with the villains to get to the button faster and just go home as quick as he could, as if he stayed any longer, he feared his life would be in danger. He already mentioned out loud that he did not trust Peter at all. His main concern was getting home as fast as possible, to his daughter. At least, that’s what I believe. And there is still always a different way to write him more properly.

@lewislabuff8862

Жыл бұрын

I think if they played with the idea of Ned becoming the goblin, or heck have some form of Harry Osborn be in the film, would've been neat.

@GippyHappy

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure he was just siding with the villains to get to the button. At that point he's on whatever side gets him home faster.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

Жыл бұрын

@@dangerousdoings8066 That does not excuse him suffocating Tobey.

@dangerousdoings8066

Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p That’s a very good point, though he probably doesn’t know if that really is his Spider-Man, or how the multiverse works. Compared to all the other characters he’s in every right to be the most scared, as he has no scientific background at all, just a criminal, who’s trapped in an another universe, one that wants to be with his daughter. His end goal will always be his daughter, and while both him and Spider-Man ended on good terms, it makes sense he would still fight tooth and nail to be with his daughter, even if it meant suffocating Tobey. The borrowed CGI from the old movies supports this theory a little more, as Sandman looks like he’s basically shitting himself, learning that his chance to quickly return home might be over because his powers are now gone. He’s clearly anxious and terrified of the whole thing underneath all that tough exterior and sand. Even when he returns home he has no clue what is happening.

To add to the part about Strange not discussing the cons of the spell to Peter, Strange is a Surgeon, a Doctor, he should know all about sitting down woth a patient and explaining all of the details of a procedure before throwing them into it. There are things that make people not want a surgery done so he should've figured that thered be things in the details of the spell that would make Peter apprehensive about going through with it

@kseriousr

Жыл бұрын

But he's also arrogant and cocky. His callous disregard for proper procedure also kind of compliments his last movie.

@banpridev

Жыл бұрын

@@kseriousr but he’s also a perfectionist, with nearly no failures in all of his surgeries. So why on Earth would he allow someone to disturb him while working?

@kseriousr

Жыл бұрын

@@banpridev True. And the final nail for me was, why not just erase the Mysterio's accusation instead of just erasing Peter's identity, or maybe erase people's memory of Mysterio ever existing. His arrogance stems from confidence and competence. For a guy who looks through fourteen million iterations to find the best outcome, he sure couldn't think of much better alternatives.

@pumkin610

Жыл бұрын

Woth

@jaydot6785

Жыл бұрын

@@pumkin610 wath

"A herald of Galactus" In comics we also have what's called an outlier, in simple terms it's used when referring to a feat a character has accomplished that is way out of the normal level the characters are at. an example of which being Batman kicking and managing to stagger/damage eternity, a being which can stand up to a serious Superman, while he's in a regular Batsuit with no buffs. Spidy is regularly portrayed with struggling against foes who the firelord would win 10/10 times against without trying. Also also spidy has the black suit in that panel, something which buffs everyone of his physical stats and makes him far more aggressive, which is a big thing since in comic canon Peter is always holding back. this on top of the black suit means this feat isn't comparable to MCU Pete fighting strange. And if he really wants to use comics for this fight, Peter shouldn't be able to use his precog since it doesn't work on people he subconsciously views as friends/part of himself/not a threat to his being (its why Venom can sneak him sometimes since the spidy sense views the symbiote as part of Peter). Actual bait

@thomasraines1396

Жыл бұрын

Another Outlier I can think of is Grey Hulk destroying an astroid bigger then the earth.

@danielwood6833

Жыл бұрын

Actually the black suit in the comics didn’t emphasise Peter’s rage and strength, that idea was introduced in the 90’s animated series.

@SuperiorJohn

10 ай бұрын

Pretty sure that was the cloth black suit. Even if it wasn’t the black suit didn’t give him any powers besides unlimited webbing until Spider-Man TAS

@ManicFiction

9 ай бұрын

I agree with everything, though I have to make one correction. Peter didn't have a Black Suit power boost in the comics. That was something for the Spider-Man TAS cartoon that was then utilized in future cartoons aswell as Spider-Man 3. The only thing the Black Suit did was: A. Repair itself B. Have peter instantly wear it C. Have peter take it off easier D. Give him nigh-infinitely generating webs. 'side from that, pretty good-

"Dr Strange makes mistakes about magic since the very first movie, thats who he is" the first Doctor Strange came in 2016, so Strange hasnt learned ANYTHING in these 7 years? why is he allowed to have access to such powerful magic?

@parycartoons6840

Жыл бұрын

FR. That argument only works if you pretend Strange’s recklessness and impulsiveness weren’t flaws he wasn’t supposed to grow past in that first movie. Sure, they were weren’t completely gone but I thought he’d grown past being THIS reckless and impulsive. This is the same guy who took the time to check if a spell needed to be modified for Asgardians but he DOESN'T take the time to plan out the spell with Peter before hand? It's not like they're on a time limit.

@samwilsoncaptainamerica233

3 ай бұрын

5 of those years don't technically since Thanos snapped him.

Imagine how many problems with Phase 4 would be solved if Writers actually watched the previous films according to their respective characters so there won't be so much continuity errors. Not nearly as time consuming as reading every comicbook.

@nickbraley5718

Жыл бұрын

The writers literally wrote at least 4 MCU films. I'm sure they do watch. Alot of what you think are continuity errors are not if you pay attention

@YunethAlwis

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure they watch but they do not give two shits about continuity

@thatguyoverthere8441

Жыл бұрын

@@nickbraley5718 Then this video shouldn't exist then 🧐

@anomaly395

Жыл бұрын

Not only watching the films but paying attention to them

@anomaly395

Жыл бұрын

@@nickbraley5718 Clearly you don’t if you think there aren’t a ton of continuity errors this phase

I want to agree with you on the idea that nobody should believe Mysterio, but man I've seen the lies people will swallow whole in real life so that part feels like a documentary.

@kyshowman6847

Жыл бұрын

It should’ve been more divided between people that believe in Spidey and others that believe Mysterio due to conflicting pieces of evidence and…media narratives. The last part could’ve been expanded on for an entire movie. In fact, the first part of NoWayback Machine drags this movie down because the writers wanted to BS some potentially great and relevant plot points. This trilogy at worse disappoints me because it has good ideas but bad execution on a higher level than other superhero movies. This movie should be two movies instead imo since it feels like two different movies pre and post Stephen Strange meeting.

@ericthemadscientist8357

Жыл бұрын

yea remember how some people believe Amber Heard

@Arphemius

Жыл бұрын

It's just that - while people are stupid, they're stupid in a different way than the movie would want you to believe. They are familiar with Spiderman, so they would irrationally disbelieve evidence _against_ him, not for him. Mysterio is relatively new and all they need to do is show how the drones created the fake images and how the video is obviously edited (because they have access to the whole thing) to show him as a liar. People defend the familiar irrationally, and when they question it irrationally, they will seek out any gaps of ambiguity - but there aren't any in this case. There's too much evidence and absolutely no emotional investment for anyone (except maybe J Jameson) to hate Spider-Man, so it just wouldn't play out like this.

@mikemorro140

Жыл бұрын

@@Arphemius I'd agree but Jonah was also constantly stirring shit up and made it even worse

@boshwa20

Жыл бұрын

@@Arphemius You really don't know how stupid people can be do you?

Every second that Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland were on screen was an absolute treat. I felt like I was 10 years old watching my first Spider-Man movie again

The spell's exception would be as easy as "Have everyone who knew my identity from before Mysterio released it still know it."

About green's goblin change in personality, in the first movie he didn't remember killing his assistant which was an isolated case maybe he developed a resistance to it or just subconsciusly blocked it out, we can also assume that gobly was in charge the whole No Way Home movie (I know pretty convenient) and was just pretending to be poor fragile Osborn (you can see the goblin persona leak out when he was supposedly pretending to be Norman when they tell him that he died, like "wth, I died by the hand of this pathetic runt?!" with an expression of disbelief and anger + goblin voice to booth). Hope I'm not reaching too much.

@nunya7764

Жыл бұрын

Then why would he have had the whole panic attack in the alley and smash the helmet? He didn't have to pretend for anyone then

@luismaldonado3968

Жыл бұрын

@@nunya7764 uh, yeah, that was stoopid too then.

@adammarch9604

Жыл бұрын

@@luismaldonado3968 why can't we all just say that his mental state is unpredictable and can't be boiled down to a particular pattern or diagnosis?

@luismaldonado3968

Жыл бұрын

@@adammarch9604 Or to plot convenience?

@goosegas2087

Жыл бұрын

@@adammarch9604 He's just a mess of a character.

One thing that I will say about the Mysterio scene at the beginning is the fact that even though it is largely believed to be fake by the authorities, the general populous is usually pretty clueless when it comes to issues like this in real life. Perfect evidence doesn't mean squat to people who want to be right. This story can still continue after what Mysterio did because no matter what the verdict is on Spider-man, he will still be considered controversial.

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

And I got mad because I thought the way spectacular Spiderman predicted this exact thing was bad, but Man this is much worse! Not to mention the fact that a memory spell for some reason needs to tap into the multiverse!

@crilll

Жыл бұрын

If anything it was a mimic of cancel culture lmao, people don't care as long as it's supporting their side of things

@n1ghtglare

Жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 aside from the fact that it's never brought up again, how was spectacular spider-man's Peter reveal bad?

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

@@n1ghtglare 1:he's visually sketchy. 2:who do they instantly believe it or wonder how he knows it? 3:venom is on a scale of one to ten is one place away from number 11-"BLACK DOOM"! 4:it's he's final appearence and a really underwhelming one.

@Console-l0gger

Жыл бұрын

the masses and crowd am I right?

I love that even though Madvocate nitpicked this movie to death, he still finds reasons to talk about how much he liked it.

@FazeRustyNuts

2 ай бұрын

"Nitpicked" in other words I don't have a way to counter these issues.

You have a great point about the sling ring. If you can just imagine someone like that and easily use it, then coupled with Strange's abilities to pour a glass remotely, teleport a gauntlet, and teleport people instantly, he literally has the powers of the space stone/ tesseract.

First. If the multi-verse is infinite that means that somewhere out there someone else messed up the spell and everyone from every universe is coming meaning that everyone should constantly be getting pulled into new universes. A spell that affects other universes in the multi-verse can't exist otherwise every universe in the multi-verse would be affected because the multi-verse is infinite and that means someone out there is using that spell.

@ScruffyPumpkin

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been in the middle of making my Bioshock Infinite video and this is a very similar problem I came upon as well. Once you start thinking about it for even a second, the whole thing completely falls apart. I had a headache for a week just thinking of all the ways interacting with the multiverse completely fucks up everything.

@xpflowexclusive4313

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I hate when people use Infinity or infinite .... They don't even know what it means... and it means nothing bc it's a contradiction.

@MagicGonads

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily, sure there are infinite possibilities but there are not *all* possibilities. Wanda is lucky that there are universes where her kids are 'alive' in MoM, Peter is lucky that there are not infinite villains coming to get him in this movie, but it's still possible for a configuration of universes to exist that makes this make sense. Also a funny thing, if there are *all* possibilities of universes in the multiverse, then the universes cannot be numbered because each universe has uncountable configurations.

@xpflowexclusive4313

Жыл бұрын

@@MagicGonads I'm not grasping what you are defining and meaning of this. The first comment is right. If there's infinite multiverses... then some or alot of multiverses are going through the same phases or situations. Bc we can't count infinite, then all ideas count such as his and or yours. Infinite is a contradiction in terms tho. It's like a square circle. It means to continue but have no start. Now for something to exist infinitely wouldn't exactly be the same thing. Bc it wouldn't be multiple of that thing but it would always be there and forever more. But multiverses is more than one thing, a continuation of things, in other words. So multiverse wouldn't exist if it continues but nvr start. For you to be right, which I do agree with if I read correctly. Is if multiverses were potential infinite meaning having a start but does not end. Which in that case, the fabric of reality would be completely different on the view of possibility. Possibility wouldn't necessarily be about one situation and multiple outcomes... it'll more likely be multiple outcomes in generalization. To not even be counted

@MagicGonads

Жыл бұрын

@@xpflowexclusive4313 no there are countable infinities, also not every infinite set is universal on the space of configurations

Regardless of its obvious writing issues NWH was probably one of the most exciting movies I've seen in the theater in a long time. Had a lot of fun watching it, and it made up for the pretty obvious plot issues for me

@loganscott814

Жыл бұрын

Not bad. I just loves seeing Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man getting some love. I despised TASM 2 but I thought he was great.

@insertnamehere259

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@vullord666

Жыл бұрын

@@loganscott814 It is nice to see Actors getting more respect for iconic roles now, even if I hate the nostalgia cash grabs around them. Same goes for hayden christensen in his role of Anakin. Sure Obi Wan Kenobi was so SO bad, but people are finally realizing that acting is pretty hard and Hayden Christensen worked hard to play the role of Anakin even of the dialogue and script writing was just bad in places.

@skinnymulligan5210

Жыл бұрын

@@vullord666 those short scenes of Anakin and Obi-Wan training might just be some of my favorite scenes in all of Star Wars now tbh, just sucks the show itself wasn’t very good ):

@SlamBolts

Жыл бұрын

@@loganscott814 Andrew's emotional moments in this movie hit so hard. He's so great

I think that Peter is not actually dodging Dr. Strange with super speed, his reflexes are just being enhanced with the spider sense. That being said, I hated how the movie never mentioned he could do that again

The argument that magic can do anything and has no rules because its magic is just an excuse for shitty writing. Any magic system needs to have internal consistency, irrelevant of how hard or soft the magic is. Howl cannot make a person, despite the fact that he put life in a flame, and Dumbeldore cannot teleport to anywhere he wants, despite the fact he can just teleport to some places. These are all internal consistencies, and even tho its magic, the characters and the magic needs to follow its own rules, even if nobody knows them. As Thor said, a technology is indistinguishable form magic when it gets advanced enough. To someone 200 years ago, Googling something would be literal magic, hand him a cellphone, and teach him to google things, and now he is a wizard, the cellphone can tell you anything about anything, but it cannot tell you the future, or what others thing. Magic is the same.

@idaniluz652

Жыл бұрын

Another thing worth pointing out is that magic in stories is always a plot device, and because it's a plot device you can easily give it rules.

@somethingwithultra7231

Жыл бұрын

It's something that becomes an even bigger issue the bigger you do it as well. Like how Buffy had an instance of a wish demon character presumably creating an entire pocket universe in-and-of itself via a genie wish trick. Then they never much go out of their way to explain it, still leaving it as one of those incredibly difficult to juggle with writing decisions for what could've been explained far more properly.

@bipstymcbipste5641

11 ай бұрын

@@somethingwithultra7231 Right? Like dang, how hasn't the world ended with all the vengeance demons

Madvocate absolutely needs to review Daredevil. Every season. It’s just too good not to talk about.

@dethpooldeadpool6203

Жыл бұрын

"this is the last time I say something good" meaning that's probably not gonna happen since he loves dare devils

@Kali-bs7oj

Жыл бұрын

every episode

@SupercatTheBazingalinga

Жыл бұрын

@@dethpooldeadpool6203 nah he might retcon himself just for the fun of it. I think it would be and interesting video to make, but I suppose I’m not Madvocate so who knows what he wants to do

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

Maybe we should request the affleck movie! Or since the Scarlet Speedster is done for, how about the cinematic adventures of sega's own Blue Blurr?

@SupercatTheBazingalinga

Жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 Both equally good options. Maybe we could go as far as subjecting him to good old Batman and Robin?

To be fair, mysterio’s video doesn’t hold up in court, it’s push through with hype and then gets dismissed. The people who believe Spider-Man did it are stuck on a hype train thinking he’s bad because they believed the first source they trust.

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

So it's a metaphor for the whole movie! A hype and recognizability driven souless endevour?

@hinamatsuro1908

Жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 ITS NOT SOULESS!! DONT YOU DARE CRITISIZE ANY SPIDERMAN MEDIA EVER IN ANYWAY!!!

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

@@hinamatsuro1908 just this particular one because it prayed on nostalgia without giving an enjoyanle movie as compensation. Every Time I see mcu Spiderman I feel the Percy Jackson fandom's level of pain át the butchering that went town.

@tobsonasanya4765

Жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 ?? the movie is mostly good lol

@timon6759

Жыл бұрын

@@erikbihari3625 it sure as hell was enjoyable

A simple throwaway scene with Fury telling Peter that SHIELD will scrub the digital video/photos from everyone's devices, computers, and the internet using a virus would solve all this. Peter could then complain that it doesn't help people forget what they already know to which Fury replies "That's the best I can do. It's technology, not magic." This then puts the idea of asking Strange for help into Peter's head.

57:00 thank you for including that segment it was funny and it brings up one of the biggest issues I had with the movie, nothing major that affects the movie but Harry and Peter reconciling working together and being friends again was my favorite part in spiderman 3 and having that "he died trying to kill me" bit bothered me

@jake12466

3 ай бұрын

"Spider-Man" has a hyphen.

So after double-checking a few details, No Way Home managed to get something right about the Mirror Dimension. A sorcerer enters it (or sends an enemy through it) via the fracturing mirror wall, but a sorcerer MUST have a sling ring in order to cast a portal and escape it. However, this brings to light several more problems... 1. Doctor Strange shouldn't be able to control the Mirror Dimension. The Ancient One and Kaecilius were only able to do so since they were drawing power from Dormammu and the Dark Dimension. For everyone else, the Mirror Dimension is used as a safe space to practice spells or to trap enemies within it. 2. If the counter-argument to that is Doctor Strange can do it because he's the Sorcerer Supreme, well no... According to No Way Home, Wong is the Sorcerer Supreme because Strange was dusted for five years, a technicality that they made up. 3. "Well, he can control it a little bit, or maybe he wasn't skilled enough yet to control it that much." Again, no. Mordo was there with Strange running around the Mirror Dimension at the end of Doctor Strange (2018). He seemed quite certain that they were going to die in there since they couldn't affect the Mirror Dimension. And if he could do anything at the time, he simply didn't. 4. Wait, hold on... How was Spider-Man capable of pulling two portals together within the Mirror Dimension? Not only is Spider-man not drawing power from Dormammu, but he's not even a sorcerer! And don't even get me started on Ned... He never should've been able to access the Mirror Dimension at all since he wouldn't have known what it was and because he opened it accidentally via the sling ring and not the mirror wall. Thanos (via the Infinity Gauntlet) and Wanda Maximoff can escape or negate the Mirror Dimension despite being non-sorcerers, but it's rather obvious as to why they can. 5. The Mirror Dimension isn't a seperate physical location, it's an ever-present fragment of the existing universe. If you presume that Ned can somehow unintentionally open the Mirror Dimension with a sling ring, the Mirror Dimension would've only opened up at the Statue of Liberty. Doctor Strange was at the portal a mere two seconds after it opened, so he would've needed to know where it was going to open in the randomness of the Mirror Dimension and flown there within that short amount of time. He was dangling over the Grand Canyon when Spider-Man left him there... 2,348 Miles away... 6. Sure would've been nice to have a safe space to practice that memory spell... You know? Somewhere where casting it accidentally wouldn't have affected the real world...

@sammyheberer4187

Жыл бұрын

Fff

@ArcTrooperRod-269

Жыл бұрын

YOU'RE ASKING TO MUCH TO AN STUDIO WHO THINKS SCHIZOPHRENIA & TID ARE THE SAME THING & IT'S SOMETHING RELATABLE & FUNNY

this video is about to be a certified madvocate classic 🥶💯

@facelessdirewlf

Жыл бұрын

swear to god

@aerithroses2683

Жыл бұрын

Correct

@poutine8741

Жыл бұрын

Ong

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

If he covers the affleck movie or the Blue Blurr himself, those Will be the real high lights! >:)

@anurag1329

Жыл бұрын

True

The best part about having Peter leave his iron spider suit behind for the final fight is they could've just had it be destroyed by the villains during said fight. It stays consistent and further builds the villains up as legitimate threats, destroying the suit that essentially made Peter invincible

*“Believe me, we talked about it.”* translates to “we don’t know what we’re doing so we have no answers to give you.”

I think the writers went all in and did a bunch of things that were inexplainable because they knew it would get overlooked because of the nostalgia. -Half of the villains shouldn’t even be in the movie -Strange offering Peter an alternative to the spell only after casting it is dumb -Flint finding out how Norman died because it was on the news makes no sense The list goes on. I will say the movie was pretty fun though.

@tobsonasanya4765

Жыл бұрын

half?

@Nemesis0921

Жыл бұрын

@@tobsonasanya4765 venom doesn't know about Spider-man so he shouldn't be in the movie

@ahkafkhan4512

Жыл бұрын

@@Nemesis0921 legit. the venom sony movies dont have any references or mentions of spiderman really

@tobsonasanya4765

Жыл бұрын

@@Nemesis0921 didn't venom say something about a hivemind?

@Nemesis0921

Жыл бұрын

@@tobsonasanya4765 Venom told Eddie that 80 billion years of hive knowledge across universes would blow his tiny brain. You could argue that as an explanation but if the Sony Venom really did know Spider-Man why didn’t Strange detect him as one of the villains that got teleported in.

About the Astral Projection, in Doctor Strange, they mention that "Your [Strange's] body hasn't even hit the floor yet", implying that there is a bit of superspeed implicated in that one scene. Other than that, this is a pretty valid video

Honestly, people being convinced by fake news is probably the most realistic part of the movie.

@samwilsoncaptainamerica233

3 ай бұрын

Given the world they live in, everything that would be considered "conspiracy theories" would probably be taken seriously given how crazy life is for them.

The fact that Doc Ock knows Norman is a plot hole, but I feel like it’s only a result of the fact they had to cut down this film a ton for the run time. Let me explain this theory, the scene where Green Goblin first appears is already very short and weirdly put together, and as we know from previs, there was an extended fight on the bridge scene, and presumably that’s where Green Goblin’s mask originally would’ve been destroyed and Norman’s face would’ve been revealed on the bridge, with Otto discovering then and there that the Goblin is actually Norman. This was presumably cut due to not having the resources the complete the full bridge scene, instead they had to film a scene later with Norman destroying the mask on his own, which is also why that scene seems very last-minute visual effects wise.

As much as I loved the movie, it does have its flaws. Sandman didn't need to be cured because he was no longer a threat and he didn't die, and Lizard was already cured at the end of TASM (Electro should have told him he didn't die). The only ones who needed to be cured were Norman, Otto and Max. Also, why did they never include Topher Grace'd Venom and TASM 2 Green Goblin? They also knew about Spiderman's secret identity.

@spongebobsquarepants2981

8 ай бұрын

Ig Electro didn't tell lizard because he didn't gaf or he was still hung up on the fact that he himself was gonna die.

Madvocate about to destroy Disney with facts and logic

@nickmilo932

Жыл бұрын

I mean... "Destroy" lol

@henith7850

Жыл бұрын

technically, he destroyed disney and sony since sony was also involved with this movie.

@spongebobsquarepants2981

8 ай бұрын

​@@henith7850ok

I personally feel having all those magicians kicking around is a huge issue for the MCU in terms of writing. It's like saying "We have an army but we can never use them because.........they're busy practicing making circles."

the part where ned talked about not turning into a villain and trying to kill peter could've been both a heartwarming reminder of tobeys friendship with harry, and then also a joke after. all they had to do was say something like "I had a best friend, we fell out of touch for a few years, he eventually became a villain and tried to kill me, but when i was about to die, he chose to jump in front of me to protect me." with ned still saying the "Peter I promise to not turn into a supervillain and try to kill you." but the writers decided to do le funny instead of caring.

I really love how Doctor Strange gets completely assassinated in this film and Multiverse of Madness. Benedict Cumberbatch must be so happy about his character

@thephoenix4093

Жыл бұрын

To be fair that happened ever since Infinity war just like Thor his personality and abilities are completely different.

@SuperDababy2

Жыл бұрын

@@thephoenix4093 because he slowly grows, strange doesn't

@thephoenix4093

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperDababy2 really though? In Ragnarok he became a comedian he never really was that way that was a completely different character suddenly he didn't even need his hammer anymore.

@maximusorbis2548

Жыл бұрын

Happy about them dollars

@SuperDababy2

Жыл бұрын

@@thephoenix4093 Ragnarok explains over the course of the whole movie how and why he doesn't need his hammer anymore and he wasn't even comedic, he was very serious in comedic situations which was the funny part. I think the movie was trying too much to be funny but I don't think Thor himself was

The part about Peter's friends being the only ones to survive drone attacks makes sense. kind of. If the drone decided to attack everyone they might have gone for his freinds before Peter realized and called then off. If they tried to come out about they could be labeled liars by mysterio supporters because they have ties to peter. Great video, keep uo the good work.

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl

Жыл бұрын

Spidy is one of the people who stopped Thanos....... That would give him so much popularity that people wouldn't just not believe the obvious lies of mistyrio but also not care if he killed him

I so appreciate this video; there were so many inconsistencies and I wasn’t even aware of many of the ones you identified because I hadn’t rewatched the original Maguire trilogy yet. What was blatantly obvious to me and something you didn’t mention was Strange’s feelings towards Peter. He swung on a pendulum from showing ambivalence to compassion so inconsistently during the movie, it was jarring. On one hand he showed zero interest in keeping Tony’s unofficially adopted son safe and happy, and then at the end acts like he’s family, which zero visible growth between those positions during the film. I felt like I was watching a Strange stand-in at times, he was so OOC. So happy you brought up the spell work- that was so hard to watch, launching into such a dangerous and permanent spell with zero directions or introduction to Peter was nonsensical.

15:40 also, Doctor Strange used to be a surgeon and before any surgery you have to review an extensive checklist to ensure that there are absolutely zero misconceptions or miscommunications.

I don't know why, but I love Flint Marco's delivery of Norman and Otto's death.

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

Cuz t.h.c. is good actor/Pick for sandman but the credit goes to raimi because Spiderman vase the final ingrediant the comicbook superhero movies needed to explode in popularity and thus turn cinemas into burger stands.

@spongebobsquarepants2981

8 ай бұрын

Ok

When he played the toby music. My entire body got goosebumps and didn't even think about it. The idea that you can't criticize something you enjoyed is so stupid.

@jacobharris3002

11 ай бұрын

It's hard to do when you love something to death and want to believe it's perfect.

@spongebobsquarepants2981

7 ай бұрын

Ok

I will die on this hill that Thor ragnarock was has the best strange appearance. Anyways, having strange not take any precautions before jumping in the spell is a direct opposite from Thor 3 where he double checks and makes sure that the anatomy of the person he’s portaling won’t harm them.

@pixel3042

Жыл бұрын

@Cristo Alba not his best though

You know, I have a lot of problems with the Iron Spider suit and "Iron Boy Jr" stuff. But I totally agree with your assessment. I was wondering at the start of the final fight where his Iron armor had gone, and then started wondering that again when you was trying to kill Goblin. I can understanding them to just want to do things classic Spider-Man style without extra frills, but that stuff's already such a big part of his MCU character and so strong that it honestly makes no sense why he wouldn't use it.

@Jiub_SN

11 ай бұрын

I never minded it, but I don't like it if that makes sense. I think that's the consensus too, it's powerful and it makes sense that Hed use it, but him using it takes something away from the Spider-Man we know and love. It makes him less of a lone wolf underdog hero who makes and does most things on his own if that makes sense

@Jiub_SN

11 ай бұрын

Basically: it's a symbol of the narrative issues a lot of fans have had with these movies. Peters reliance on Tony stark is logical but not what people want from this established character

He is not Dr Strange, he is Dr Who since he has a complete different personality. So does Wong

@Isaacthedank

Жыл бұрын

Nanananah he's mr wierd

@ZelphTheWebmancer

Жыл бұрын

He isn't any Dr Who. He is Chibnal era Dr Who.

@WeiJian393

Жыл бұрын

@@ZelphTheWebmancer My Guy!

As much as I love this film I can’t deny that they butchered Tobey’s story with his villains. He is my favorite of the three and it’s a shame that Tobey was done very wrong in this movie which is suppose to be a kind of endgame for the Spider-Man franchise

@ollytherevenant1653

Жыл бұрын

How do you believe they butchered it?

@cheezepuff_05

Жыл бұрын

@@ollytherevenant1653 how him and Norman never interacted once. Although he did save Norman he never spoke to him once. Sandman had no reason to go against the 3 spidermen and almost KILL Tobey in the process. The only one they did right with was otto but I wish they did more with his relationship with norman, and sandman

@danielwood6833

Жыл бұрын

I’d have to disagree on the Otto front. In SM2 the arms spoke to him at his lowest, his wife was dead and his dream crushed. They spoke to a man with nothing left to lose and advised him to pursue his original goal, which Otto decided to do no matter the cost, thus the darker aspects of his personality came out in full because why not. He regains control of the arms and destroys his machine by his choosing after seeing the error of his ways. In NWH they just give him a new chip and he shuts off like a robot and regains consciousness blissfull and happy as if the arms were in complete control of him the whole time, negating the nuance of his character in the original film and completely glossing over that his reactor still failed and his wife died as a result of his own creation.

@anomaly395

Жыл бұрын

@@danielwood6833 Exactly. All the villains in this film really got butchered with the slight exception of Norman.

@owenogletree6374

Жыл бұрын

@@danielwood6833 Thank you! Something didn't quite sit well with me in regards to how Doc Ock's character was handled in NWH, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. After reading your comment, I realized that that's what it was. Just like you said, it took away the nuance of the character and totally dismissed the trauma he went through that allowed the tentacles to take advantage of him. Well said. I do love the movie, but it did some things wrong.

Madvocate: "How does Mysterio exposing Spider-Man convince the world?" Me: "That's what I've been saying since the Far From Home end credits scene."

That batboy scene at 33:39 gets me all the time. It fits too perfectly!

@larrydalobster3548

Жыл бұрын

Ong😂😂

One of those films that has a few neat high points, but it's dragged so far down by the logistics of how everything works, and by its inability to keep many characters consistent. There's like a disease spreading through the MCU to assassinate Strange at every possible opportunity. It's a shame, the first film to feature the three Spider-Men deserved better. Fantastic video.

I really never stopped to think about Peter's new suit not having the recording feature. You're right, Peter either managed to remove that on accident when "upgrading", or he deliberately did so, despite the final mission *definitely* calling for its use. This might be the biggest blow I've seen dealt to MCU Peter's character/smarts. Other good points you raised were how Mysterio's narrative possibly convinces anyone, with Peter's friends being witnesses to the drone attacks, and the projection failing in front of civilians. I *guess* a defense might be that it was a last-ditch effort on Mysterio's part? He was just hoping maybe the public didn't understand what they were seeing, and that Peter's friends wouldn't be around to refute his video..? Kinda flimsy. And as for the shaky cam Mysterio has set up, there could've been one drone he set aside at the end of the bridge, to record him and also put a filter of some kind on it to make the footage seem like a hand-held, citizen's vid? To add legitimacy? That's all I got. The forget-Peter-is-Spider-Man-spells are a lot more ambiguous, between this video *and* others I've watched that try to guess at/professing how it works/what it does to evidence of Spider-Man's identity beyond memories, I just don't think there's anything solid to stand on. Nowhere is it mentioned by Strange that the video exposing Peter would be erased. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't; it's pretty sketchy. It doesn't 100% erase documents of Peter Parker, and it doesn't *not* erase them. We just aren't told. We don't know if everyone who's seen Spider-Man unmasked (like Captain Marvel for example) either A) just had that whole encounter wiped, or B) they do remember that they've seen him unmasked, just don't remember *who* it was. *edit* Ah, so the writers don't even know. "not allowed to divulge that" Yeah, okay man. I definitely never let FFH's finale sink in all the way. Really appreciate the questions you raise in your stuff. Keep on truckin' with these essays! 11:09 I know plenty of people agree on this but it's still so cathartic to hear. The montage of D+ shows' "finest moments" had me laugh-crying I appreciate the work you did on each section's intro, with the words in Strange's spell. Impressive. Also needed to get it off my chest because I encounter this everywhere: 16:50 past-tense of "cast" is still just "cast"

@OrphanJupiter

Жыл бұрын

It didnt have a recording feature because it was still his ffh suit. A suit peter made on the fly and obviously didnt integrate into it just like how he forgot to add the extra web cartridges. Why would he be thinking “cant forget to add the camera” when his friends + hundreds of other people are in danger especially when again compared to the much more important web cartridges that he also forgets.

@kylefrank638

Жыл бұрын

@@OrphanJupiter I don't think I follow, why doesn't the FFH suit just have the Karen/monitoring system too? Personally I would want the video feature more than extra webbing.

@lakshaykochhar6799

Жыл бұрын

@@OrphanJupiter What? He can't think to add video feature to his suit but can think to use geometry against Sorcerer Supreme?

@pagatryx5451

Жыл бұрын

Biggest blow to MCU Peter's smarts was taking dangerous villains out of their cells so he could bring them to a *portable* lab. It was utterly moronic.

I'm glad to hear your criticism about Mysterio's narrative, as it matches mine almost one-to-one. The entire tension of the second movie could have been resolved in one press event. Dump bystander phone footage, give context to "execute them all" referring to some protocols rather than bystanders to show it's a lame out-of-context cut, play the actual recording, demonstrate the drones' tech. Within 5 to 10 minutes Mysterio's integrity is so demolished that nobody should believe a word he said. With subtle (manipulative) wording, Spider-Man could present Peter Parker as an unfamiliar stranger (refer to him in the third person, calling him "Mr. Parker" or something), distancing the two identities, while also reminding the people it's still an underaged child that shouldn't be harassed because of an unreliable narrator.

glorious video. i love how you manage to thoroughly explain the plot holes and logical inconsistencies that burden the plot while still acknowledging the thematic goodness at the core of the story that makes it a solid spider-man experience. after so much cinema sins and people arbitrarily yelling at their screens both on youtube and twitter it's great to see some good-faith critique

In spite of the many flaws of No Way Home, it's my favorite MCU Spiderman film after Homecoming, and my favorite MCU film in Phase 4. Although, my biggest issue with the film is that they didn't need to involve Dr. Strange in this film at all, and could have introduced a villain like Scorpion in this film; from what I remember about his backstory, he was created by Jameson, but we could go with something along those lines. I know that doesn't give us the other Spidermen, but that's a worthy sacrifice.

@anyways4438

Жыл бұрын

The only good thing to come out of Phase 4

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

This movie is the perfect reflection of the m.c.u. a mess with plot holes so many and big it's like driving semy trucks through city sized swiss cheese, with the only thing holding it togather are duct tape and nostalgia/fanservice, with characters quipping at each other basically saying:"hey audience it's just a dumb superhero comicbook movie don't take it seriously and buy our product"!

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

@@anyways4438 you're mad? It's just as bad as shang chi or black window!

@legoverse1412

Жыл бұрын

“It’s my favorite MCU Spider-Man film after Homecoming” So, it’s your second-favorite out of three movies?

@tobsonasanya4765

Жыл бұрын

@@anyways4438 lol only

Th3birdman responded to this vid.

@dvnlake6610

Жыл бұрын

The birdman bodied him

@le_mythic

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@dvnlake6610 it was actual shit

It would have taken ONE SECOND of footage to answer the ending plot hole about the media about Peter being Spiderman. All they had to do was show ONE photograph of Peter fading out and it would tell us that the spell ALSO removed him from physical media. It's that simple.

I absolutely love the amount of effort you put into your videos, and am glad to see you continuing to put your heart and soul into them. Thank you. I also love your sense of humour too.

32:20 I’m not sure if this counts as out of universe but in some versions peters spider sense doesn’t detect venom because his spider sense views the symbiote as a friends after the time Peter shared with it so if we follow that logic Peter stands even less of a chance because it’s safe too say peters spider sense would count strange as a friend but take this with a heavy grain of salt because it hasn’t been confirmed

@jeffboy4231

Жыл бұрын

Well and even then, 2 seconds after that madvocate gives another reason that makes the scene stupid even if the first reason is invalid lol

@randoviewer9363

Жыл бұрын

The Sonyverse venom didn't bond with spider man??? He was in life foundation -> then in Eddie's hobo friend-> then Eddie

@poutine8741

Жыл бұрын

@@randoviewer9363 that was no where near what I was talking about I was saying that Spider-Man’s spider sense doesn’t work on friends this has nothing too do with Sony verse venom Edit: Key words “in the comics” and I even said too take it with a grain of salt

@randoviewer9363

Жыл бұрын

@@poutine8741 Well if you take the "multiverse hivemind" in the equation, it does work So nvm what I just said

@joshuaducker5960

Жыл бұрын

The comic explanation with Spidermans' Spider Sense and the symbiote was that because part of himself was permanently bonded to it, his Spider Sense registered the symbiote as himself. The idea being his Spider Sense would never react to anything he does to himself intentionally that's dangerous or self harming.

I made a critique of this movie and some guy defended it with “It’s an open magic system, anything goes” and “This 3rd person movie’s flaws and hypocrisy’s and stuff is solved because unreliable narrator.” Like I swear I only see these 2 general arguments used because fans can’t defend a bad movie logically…

@crocdog5278

Жыл бұрын

If its an open magic system could strange not just make a spell that would make everybody forgot spiderman is Peter without it affecting is friends while still bringing the villains back I mean anything goes right

@ginge641

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, the fact that the magic is as open as it is creates a lot of problems, particularly with MoM. Any time a fight happens, the magic users just pull an assortment of random crap out of their ass that makes it impossible to know exactly what tools they're working with here, and creates situations where they don't use the more effective magic in certain scenes because the magic they do use is a prettier visual. It cripples the stakes.

@joshgroban5291

Жыл бұрын

@@crocdog5278 that's the problem with a powerful magic system in a universe where magic is not the main/most common power system. People like Strange and Wanda could crush their opponents like tin foil and manipulate so many parts of the universe with ease. Introducing these characters and adding spells creates a host of issues, especially when you don't establish that these spells are too powerful or new, case in point the forgetting spell. The MCU needed a hard magic system that can be broken in certain aspects or within certain conditions imo, such as Wanda have open magic system since she uses chaos magic.

@GrayTempest

Жыл бұрын

Well for magic there is no one rule for magic since it's not real. We have rules cause things follow the laws of physics magic is made up so it doesn't follow those laws. So yes anything goes when it comes to magic unless the person who is writing the story says it doesn't and that's what we get for using a power source based on nothing held back by also nothing

@ctpp64

Жыл бұрын

u-unreliable narrator??? how does that argument even come to mind lol

Honestly missed you Madvocate sir 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

I have to respect a person who will spend a few hours of their time tearing apart a piece of media that they genuinely like.

The "This MFer Right here" transition made me laugh real good, good informative vid.

One way the movie could've ended is that Peter tells Strange to make everyone forget that Spider-Man exist. If everyone forgets who Spider-Man is than no one would remember who under the mask and what his identity is. The ending would make more since cause now Ned and MJ would still be one of Peter's friends and Spider-Man can always go to Strange and asked him to erase all footage of Mysterio revealing Spider-Man's identity. Yeah Peter would no longer be part of (whatever left of the avengers), but at least Peter would have a fresh start, Aunt May would still have a nephew, Peter might get into MIT, and then we can still have that scene where Peter moves on and learns how valuable keeping his identity is. Edit: To be specific, before Peter became Spider-Man.

London is the most surveilled city on earth, and you’re telling me that there were no cameras that could’ve captured Mysterio and all the shit he was doing?

The music in the end of NWH was so meaningful to me. Throughout this trilogy, his theme music was just the 60's "does whatever a spider can" motif. Its a theme everyone knows and its what was given to him. At the end of NWH, now completely self-made, Tom Holland's Spider-Man has grown and that final swing music reflects that. He is is no longer just "A" Spider-Man. He is now "THE" Spider-Man.

I saw a meme somewhere that suggested the entire film would be negated if Peter just told Strange to have everyone forget about Mysterio rather than himself. Goes to show how broken of a foundation this is

@lucinavonnolaran8728

Жыл бұрын

Actually, no. That meme is absolutely ridiculous for one simple reason. Forgetting mysterio changes nothing, everyone would still know that Peter Parker is Spider Man, they just wouldn't know how.

@vullord666

Жыл бұрын

@@lucinavonnolaran8728 And? The real only issue with Peter’s identity being known is the controversy with Mysterio and everyone thinking he’s a murderer or criminal. Otherwise it might put his family (one aunt) and two friends in danger but nothing else. Actually it’d probably be good for him. Heck, in marvel tons heroes have their identities known and it hasn’t gotten them slaughtered. At the very least everyone forgetting Mysterio or what he did/just the video is the obvious first step. Try that and if life is still hard with people knowing you’re Spiderman try again. Not like there’s a use limit on the spell. Either way don’t start with the one that will upend your life the most.

@mikemorro140

Жыл бұрын

@@vullord666 The spell he starts with is just having people not remember who Spider-Man is which wouldn't upend his life that'd just go back to how it was before. Also the video would still be leaked they just wouldn't remember who it was that's talking on there, because the spell, while admittedly not explained amazingly, doesn't erase the person's existence just people's knowledge and memories of them.

@lucinavonnolaran8728

Жыл бұрын

@@vullord666 Let me repeat myself. Everyone would still know who Peter Parker is. They wouldn't know how. And following that train of logic a bit further, suppose if (and this is incredibly likely) everyone started talking about Spider-Man, and they all noticed that they all happen to know who he really is. They'd then start searching for video evidence that they know who he is, not to mention, the meme says that the spell should've been to only forget MYSTERIO. Not the VIDEO. You can't say "Then have everyone forget the video", because that falls into the same issue. People would still know who spider-man is, and they wouldn't know how. Additionally, it would result, most definitely, in what I said earlier. They'd search for video evidence confirming that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. It wouldn't get a target off Peter's back, it wouldn't remove the video or anything tying him to it from existence, everyone would still know, thereby making the meme of "Make the spell cause everyone to forget Mysterio" utterly pointless and just exist for the sake of trying to add more fuel to the fire.

@unknownbystander8145

Жыл бұрын

@@lucinavonnolaran8728 If we go with the assumption that making everyone forget who Mysterio doesn't erase the evidence with it, then doesn't that make everyone forgetting that Spider-man is Peter Parker also pointless, since it runs into the same issue that your assumption about forgetting Mysterio does? Cause by the end of the movie it is shown/implied that everything was fixed by making everyone forget who Spiderman/Peter Parker, even though by your logic doing this wouldn't/shouldn't erase any of the evidence with it.

Just wanted to mention two things, which might make some of the problems you mentioned worse. 1. We have no indication, that the dumb runes spell at the end doesn´t affect the other two spidermans. From what we gathered in the film, we can assume that the base form of the spell erases the memory from all persons except one target person, which would would mean that they are also affected. If this is true, than that means that both peters parkers, should have all of their memories of peter parker erased, so like ... all their memories, effectively killing them, since nothing of their personality remains. If that isn´t true, than it makes Dr. Strange even more of an a**hole, for including them and not Ned or MJ. 2. The finale establishes that the dumb runes spell can affect the multiverse and since this movie at least indicates and Dr. Strange 2 specifically says, that the multiverse is infinite. This would mean, that for infinite universes an infinite amount of people would know this spell, of which an infinite amount would be casting this spell to target any possible piece of knowledge, meaning this would literally erase everyones mind. Technically, you could say that at the end Dr. Strange cast a special variant, which targets the whole multiverse, but because said universe is infinite, an infinite number of persons would cast this specific variant. This spell is probably one of the worst plot devices ever created. It makes literally less sense and destroys more than the hyperspace kamikaze.

@Full_Throttle_Axolotl

Жыл бұрын

One thing about the spell affecting the entire multiverse is that it would require infinite energy to cast. According to the Ancient One in Doctor Strange 1, sorcerers pull energy from other dimensions to perform magic. Depending on how this works, Strange just depleted the entire multiverse of magic energy. Doctor Strange killed sorcery.

@CPForte

Жыл бұрын

@@Full_Throttle_Axolotl Huh, didn´t knew that. Was willing to grant, that magic can just function without energy conservation, but in that case that makes it even worse. Though to be fair, it is possible that while needing infinite energy, there still could be infinite energy remaining (if he drained a percent of the magic energy of each universe, that would still be infinite). But then again, how can he control a literal infinite amount of energy.

@RandomPerson-gf6gd

Жыл бұрын

@@Full_Throttle_Axolotl dimensions aren’t universes, marvel likes to confuse and try to trick people with it

Dude I love your videos. Just binged about 4 or 5 this week. This is good stuff and I can imagine it takes a long time

What I always considered odd is how quickly people jumped on the “Mysterio was a real hero, Spiderman bad” bandwagon. Spiderman was a well-known superhero, particularly known for saving lives and playing a part in defeating Thanos. You’d think that would get him a huge deal of public trust. Like, Stark’s business used to be considered questionable, but people loved him anyways --- and Spiderman gets shat on for one half-assed accusation? Meanwhile, Mysterio is supposed to be “literally who?”. The dude appears several times to fight elementals -- and suddenly he is everyone’s favorite and his word weighs more than Spiderman’s? Also, Mysterio spun an entire backstory about being a traveler from another world -- which is easily shattered by a simple DNA test and forensic dentistry procedure identifying him as Quentin Beck, former Stark Industries employer. IIRC, this body was intact -- and given that people thought that Mysterio “mysteriously disappeared” after the battle in London, I thought that the S.H.I.E.L.D picked his body up to learn who the guy actually was -- especially given that he obviously had associates who can still be dangerous. I doubt that Mysterio destroyed all the evidence of his existence as Beck -- to the point that no trace remained. So, revealing that he never was a lone warrior from another dimension in the first days after London attack and bringing up the fact that he was actually an angry Stark Industries employee with expertise in holograms would have rendered his post-mortem reveal useless.

@86Fallowcp

3 ай бұрын

I feel it was actually a very loud minority, boosted even further by JJJ's podcasts and news. Haters seem numerous when you see them everyday. Tbf it was left vague so anyone can come up with different ideas to this

I love it when he always points out like 10 characters who seemingly have super speed it never gets old

Danny Elfman is my favorite composer. He has a way to convey emotions through his scores like no other. While I do believe John Williams is probably the best composer of our time, his scores are more catchy and earworms that you memorize for the simplistic medleys. Danny Elfman has a way to convey emotion and wonder. A few scores that really sell this are Edward Scissorhands, the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, the Nightmare Before Christmas, and even some tracks from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Darkman.

@lordraiden7397

Жыл бұрын

Its too bad he sucks now.

I love this video, because it shows how you can enjoy something on a first viewing and acknowledge the positive experiences you had WITHOUT turning your brain off and pretending that it was perfectly written. I get the sense that a lot of people get hung up on their first impressions; if they enjoyed something, then it must be good - If they didn't enjoy it, it must be bad. Some media I'd praise as brilliant actually left me with mixed or weak impressions on first viewing, only "clicking" after marinating in my head for some time. Some media which I immediately had tons of fun with, I later realised was total nonsense. People should really understand that they're allowed to enjoy things while also pointing out their massive flaws in writing and storytelling. It's not an either-or situation.

I really like the way you put those letters on Strange's spell thing.

I love how in every video Madvocate calls out a fuckton of people so casually its great to see

While I also reconigzed the several flaws in the movie, most of them told in this video, particualary on the setup for us to get the good scenes, I can't really fathom people saying it was Nostalgia Bait as criticism, when this i one of the beter movies making use of the nostalgia. Why? Because it makes use of it to not only improve the main character but also helps the characters providing the nostalgia (most of them, at least). I will defend that, besides the moments with Dafoe, the best scenes in the movie are the various interactions among the 3 Spider-Men. They just don't put Tobey and Andrew and say "oh look! cameo", they are important parts to Tom's Peter development and support, and as a bonus, they get it too (come on, the scene of Andrew saving MJ must have hit the heart of several people in a not superficial way). And even if it is not perfect or averages do to the inconsitencies, it still above several other franchises when they make use of Nostalgia, but with way more superficial value or less meaning (Most of Disney's Star Wars anyone?). Awesome video, by the way.

I love this editing and the points he’s making

I always loved the in-depth way you ripped apart the flash and inspected it in such detail. It is so great seeing that same deep review going into other movies. I could watch you tearing apart movies all day.

I thought Doctor Strange's spell messed up because Loki made the multiverse split, disrupting how the spell functions... But then that wasn't the case, and what Loki did didn't mean anything for the movies

@crocdog5278

Жыл бұрын

Same. its gotten really confusing

@henith7850

Жыл бұрын

kevin feige said it did but then he admitted he lied. I just pretend loki isn´t canon.

@HugsMando

2 ай бұрын

I always thought that for the longest time.

You should definitely do Doctor Strange:MOM. You’re gonna have the time of your life.

Birdman: I'm guessing that he hates this movie. Madvocate: I liked the movie. I really did. Viewers to Birdman: LAIR

@therobustempyrean1436

3 ай бұрын

Pretty much why I stopped watching Birdman.

Found this channel today. You just earned another subscriber.

I think I will still enjoy the film, mainly because it's Spiderman and I like the fanservice to past films, but I understand It is extremely flawed and I will never complain about , but only praise a new Madvocate video.

@gsk1299

Жыл бұрын

You will still the film?

@offthegrid4821

Жыл бұрын

@@gsk1299 thanks

@jadenbryant9283

Жыл бұрын

@@offthegrid4821 honestly a good movie in my mind and this wil sound defienlty cheesy if the movies good in my opnion i will unless nessacary do not think about the plot holes

@helixcov4378

Жыл бұрын

@@jadenbryant9283 honestly for real, for the majority of movie watchers all that should really matter if whether they thought the movie was good and enjoyed it without studying every frame and inconsistency, it makes sense for people who review the movies to do that, but if you aren't a reviewer yourself you would just get so much more enjoyment out of movies without overanalyzing everything

@jadenbryant9283

Жыл бұрын

@@helixcov4378 facts

I want more Flash slander, you will do it, theres nowhere to run.

I was upset that Doc Ock was nerfed at the end as well after they made a huge point that the arms were invincible in prior appearances