Has their music left my head since I started working on this? Nope. Was it worth it? Yes

@ashleybowles7732

Жыл бұрын

It is taking all my willpower not to leave your video and go listen to one of their songs because they are playing in my head.

@BryonyClaire

Жыл бұрын

@Ashley Bowles do it! I spent a solid 2 weeks listening to their music making these videos lol

❤ You can tell that they aren't trying to dress for the male gaze. It's like Harley Quinn in the Birds of Prey movie- she was showing as much skin as in the first Suicide Squad movie, but men complained that she wasn't sexy because it wasn't done for the male gaze. The fact that they always stuck up for each other was very important for feminism. The media still tries to pit women against each other today.

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, right? But they got treated as if they were because of the idea of showing any skin meaning "you're asking for it" (which is a disgusting mindset but so very prevalent, including today). They really were so tight knit, whilst they made jokes towards each other they would be ferocious if people tried to slander the others

They are really fun and charming in so many ways but it's their friendship that shines the most for me. I don't get the sense that other manufacturers bands are nearly close to each other which is such a shame. I really like how they stood up for eachother.

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Same, it really was that friendship and solidarity that made us all love them

I love how Victoria stuck up for her friend Mel C by saying, "That's my friend!" You don't hear women sticking up for one another that much anymore. The Spice Girls were amazing!

In an alternate dimension, the Spice Girls continued into the 2000s and Roe v Wade isn't being overturned

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Can we all please live there instead?

@idontuploadanym0re

Жыл бұрын

do you have the wormhole to that dimension? if so i’m begging to live there instead

Your videos are always so well researched. I honestly loved the Spice Girls its honestly sad and disappointing that every time a girl group tries their best society will always brings them down. It especially hurts when it comes from other women. My favorite was Posh. I really hope that your channel gets more recognition, you deserve it.

I also had the cassette and cds, but do you remember the Spice Girls dolls and lollipops? I got the lollipops all the time, and had Sporty and Scary dolls. What a time, so happy to have grown up with them ❤

@lemsip207

Жыл бұрын

I bought one too for my niece.

I can't imagine entering high school in the toxic 2000s without having had a base of Girl Power to begin with, can you imagine! 💗

@lemsip207

Жыл бұрын

It was terrible in that decade with the celeb rags (I would much rather read the Observer colour supplements or music magazines then), stars like Lindsay Lohan were falling apart, being expected to spend a lot of money on fast fashion (it's cheaper in the long run and time saving to buy more expensive but longer lasting clothing) and the pressure to be a size 0. I have never recovered from it as it ruined most of my friendships as I refused to go along with it.

I think the Spice Girls did serve an interesting role in the popularization of feminist concepts. Girl/female empowerment is still a fairly new concept in broader culture. So them presenting a low key version of it, and focusing on mutual love & support, was actually a rather strategic approach, because change is gradual. It does not happen overnight. I think, the massive merch portion aside, they served a helpful role in that cultural movement.

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Same, I think they actually helped heaps and it was really sad seeing other women use their own internalized misogyny against them. I think they were a net positive, too, especially looking back at things like I have for the 00's and then at the 90's for this, they had a lot stacked up in their opposition.

The Spice Girls influenced me so much while I was growing up and I didn't even realize it, but thinking back, they inspired me to write lyrics and poems and even my stand-up comedy that I perform at open mic nights. While I'm also influenced by other musicians, bands and actors, I write empowering stand-up comedy about abstinence and saying no to sex. Victoria, Emma and Geri were my faves!

Damn, there's a lot of men that were jealous of the Spice Girls. Seems like they're salty that they can't express themselves the way the ladies were. And they're the ones who put themselves in that box in the first place lmao!

Mel C was always my favourite 🤩 but now as an adult I like them all for their differences ❤️🧡💖🖤💚

@DiscoTimelordASD

Жыл бұрын

I have never found anyone else who said Mel C was their favourite and I was 12 when the Spice Girls came out, so I've been waiting a long time lol

Got here late, but oh my gosh, I love the girls’ love for one another! 💞 I loved them back in the day, I was a young teen when they got big. It’s enlightening to see why their original dynamic was so beloved: their fun individuality, and most importantly, their dedication to their friendship. Sure they dressed in some quirky ways, but I don’t agree in the gatekeeping of feminism by the riot grrrls. I love being soft & feminine now, but back then (and until the last 5 years or so), I recall feeling that pressure to always dress for the male gaze, yet wanting to also be respected by men. Looking back at their outfits though, I agree with other commenters, they were showing skin but not specifically for the male gaze, which most other pop stars have and continue to do. To the extreme. Thank you for your work on this!! 💗

Oof seeing Shirley Manson say that there was nothing good about the spice girls particularly hurts to see. From what I've seen of her Instagram I have hope she's come around, but ouch. Edit: she was also so young then and everyone was being pit against each other too so I'm sure that contributed. This is me trying to cope lmfao

💚 Mel C has always been my favourite since the 90’s. They’ve all been through so much. Glad to see she’s well adjusted and matured into a wonderful person on the other end of the tunnel.

The interview in 90s with the same sex relationships was so ahead of its time.

Interesting topic and great video, and usual. Thank you for all the work you do to entertain us!!

🖤 Victoria was my fave growing up, I thought she was gorgeous also we share the same first name haha. But hearing more about Geri and Mel B, I think they are my faves now! All cool ladies though, this was a really fun watch!

thank you, i hope you will be doing a series about the Spice girls

I love this makeup look!!

I loved those Lily pops! Wow

Wow, there was so much I didn't know-definitely because I'm in the US. Some of that gossip must have trickled over here, but I had no idea those ladies went through that much and worked that much! I was in 8th grade when they burst onto MTV, and yes, I'm still listening to that songs!

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they really got put through the ringer, and worked their butts off but that got overlooked all the time. I still listen to their music too! Doing this series (still working on the next videos) has just given me so much appreciation for then as a group and individuals

@kamelbakir6415

2 жыл бұрын

@@BryonyClaire thank you for doing this, and doing justice for these womens, who open the door for many girl group , even they did have influence on shows like popstars the creators of the show were inspired by them to create a new girl groups

🧡 lovely video!

Hello I am a new subscriber to your channel, great channel btw. When The Spice Girls were super popular I was in high school and they felt more marketed to younger girls. (I was in the US) There was so much merchandise of them everything about them felt it was marketing. As I got older I learned a little more about them and saw how good an influence they were.

💗💗Can't believe you don't have more subs! Your stuff is so great! 💗💗

@BryonyClaire

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!! Hopefully this channel grows more :)

this video came at such a good time for me! I'm currently working on an assignment for uni about 1990s pop culture and gender rebellion!

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck with it! I hope it goes well

I actually had no idea about anything spice girls. This was a really good video. I know they aren’t really active anymore, but they’ve got a new fan

I loved the Spice Girls music when I was growing up. I was a pre-teen when I heard the "Wannabe" song for the first time in school when some classes were performing air bands in the gym. I loved their music and their fashion. I also had the Spice album music cassette tape at first and then bought the cd later on. Oh, you know you're old when you remember the music stores selling music cassettes.

💀 not Vivienne Westwood coming for their style as she sits there looking like a haunted doll

💚 Mel C was the best vocalist (no shade to the other ladies) but I always sang her parts and still do. I love her. Just discovered you and I am watching so many videos in your backlist and loving it! The Spice Girls were formative in my feminism for sure even as like a 7 year old. Girl power meant something to me! Still does.

OMG I SO AGREE ABOUT OIL AND WATER BY INCUBUS!!!!! I didn't think it was possible to love you more but here we are!!!

Love the spice girls. Love spice world. Some of these interviews were shocking!

You’re amazing ❤❤❤

💖 like a live action Bubbles 🖤 I loved her hair and would ask for my hair to but cut like Posh.

Bahhh very disappointing hearing Shirley Manson saying there’s nothing good about the Spice Girls. I actually didn’t even have my eyes on the screen but knew that voice immediately. 😔

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe she's changed her mind by now, we can only hope

I can't wait for the Jane Fonda video! I love her so much. Just finished Grace and Frankie the other day too. Shout out to Lily Tomlin

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Lily is amazing, anything I see her in she always makes me smile

@amber6329

2 жыл бұрын

@@BryonyClaire Same! Especially for us Magic School Bus generation, which I can only assume that you must be a part of. I refuse any other reality

Yet another great video! 😃 I didn't have one clear favourite, but I'd say 🖤 and 💛 were both close. I actually didn't listen all that much to them, cause I was very much into rap and r'n'b at the time, but I did like many of their songs, and the whole girl power thing had a big impact on me. You can say a lot about the lacks of their feminism, but for feminism to have any impact at all, people need to hear about it, and academic feminism isn't a great starting point for little girls. A lot of it is hard to read even for adults with academic experience. And I think the Spice Girls made a difference for a whole generation of young girls, in that it was ok to like girly stuff, it was good to focus on friendship, rather than fighting over boys, and that you could be yourself. That might sound like not much, but in the 90's it was. Sadly. And in the 2000s it was even more. I didn't really pick up on all the shit they were subjected to at the time, but looking back at it, it's so bad. My god we have come a long way in the last 20 years, but still there's a long way to go. As for girl groups now, all I can think of is k-pop groups, but I don't know enough about them and their songs to know if they're anything similar. But my kids listen to Mamamoo, amongst others, and they seem kind of girl power to me. But again, I don't know all that much about them. If you do, it would be cool if you made a video about them (or k-pop in general, and feminism/racism)!

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Both great choices! Things sadly need to be palatable for people to be interested in positive change, and they did that and still came up against hate. I truly think they had a net positive, and yes we've definitely come a long way over this time, some of the interviews they were in, my god. I don't know much about kpop groups but I highly recommend Cheyenne Lin's videos on kpop because she's covered that extensively well. Whilst I'm interested in discussing the issues with racism and feminism, Princess Weekes, Khadija Mbowe, Tee Noir and For Harriett do such a fantastic job in that space and as a white woman, I don't really feel it's my place to speak on an issue I don't personally deal with, but I will platform the heck out of them!

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Does it help with the algorithm if you are getting multiple comments from the same user or do those get cancelled out?

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm I actually don't know on here, on IG it makes it think it's a bot that the creator hired so they shadow ban you 🙄 but not sure on YT

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So I accidentally drank a multi-year old commemorative pespi my dad had while I helped him move last month. 😅 I didn't die but I'm never living it down

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

😂 did it even taste good?

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I never thought that Spice Girls were meant to cater to heterosexual men 😂

I don't think the Spice Girls were "Feminists", since Feminists are political and fight for women's rights. Spice Girls never fought for Abortion rights or Equal pay for women or anything political like that, they just promoted the idea that Women could be strong and achieve anything they want. Basically they promoted an aspect of Feminism without the polarizing political parts that weren't appealing to a mainstream audience.

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

So they were empowering women to achieve what they wanted? I still count that as a feminist notion and getting that mainstream in the same way you spoke about. It may be "less extreme" but they were actually breaking boundaries in pop music, which I'd argue is still a net positive

@Lil_Angry_Bitch

2 жыл бұрын

@@BryonyClaire What I'm saying is that Spice Girls weren't True Hardcore Feminists. They promoted a lighter aspect of Feminism that was marketable but they didn't go deep into feminist ideologies, especially political aspects that could turn people off. That's like labeling someone a "Vegan" who only eats a little bit of Vegan food, but eats non-vegan the rest of the time. Just because someone eats Vegan food doesn't necessarily mean they are a Vegan. Back in the 90s, Many feminists despised the Spice Girls, accusing them as being a manufactured product created by men to cash in on feminist ideas, while relying on sex and using their bodies to sell, ideas that feminist at the time really didn't like.

@BryonyClaire

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lil_Angry_Bitch I fully get what you mean, I covered that in the video too including what people of all sides thought of them, it's kind of the point of the video to assess that

@lemsip207

Жыл бұрын

It was liberal feminism.

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