Glad to have a better explanation on the ancients!

@SONICSTA

Жыл бұрын

Had to replay the game a bit to really piece it all together! Glad u enjoyed it!

@landontaylor1290

Жыл бұрын

I have a question for you if the ancient sealed the end in the supreme Titan then why do the other Titans count as seals for the end and why do we have to shut down towers got to be a part of some kind of locking that keeps her inside cyberspace

It feels so damn good to have a meaningful sonic story again

@TheEKdude2

Ай бұрын

Exactly. It’s wild how I thought the Sonic story was about a blue hedgehog running fast around the world which I guess is part of it. If younger me heard about the lore surrounding the ancients and the chaos emeralds I’d be awestruck.

This is a very nice explanation, it was pretty much the story I put together as well. I also think that branching from the Ancients became the Chao, Chaos must have been the last Ancient that did not morph to a significant degree, so he was set to protect the Chao and the emeralds

@ADHDkid321

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe he was mutated by the master emerald?

6:15 So this is where I disagree. It’s pretty clear on this one. Sage says a few times that her main function is to protect Eggman. Once she saw the Ancients’ memories when she integrated with cyberspace, Eggman was pulled in for his own protection. When Sonic and (company) travel to the Starfall Islands, Sage traps them all in cyberspace because she saw them as “unknown variables”; this is something she talks about when you speak with her on Ouranos island. In other words, Sage knew that Eggman would be safe in cyberspace, but she did NOT know if that safety could be guaranteed once Sonic and co. showed up-hence, why she locked up Sonic’s friends. Sonic was the only one able to escape cyberspace, which surprises Sage (there are some dialogue points on Kronos where Sage asks Sonic how he managed to escape cyberspace). Turns out, Sonic was able to escape because he projected his own memories onto cyberspace, which were familiar enough that he was able navigate through in order to find exits. It is also implied he was fast enough to avoid Sage’s traps, and unlike his friends, could also stand a fighting chance against the Titans. Sage knew she couldn’t trap Sonic anymore since he could simply escape, so she resorted to beating the everliving crap out of him until he decided it was time to leave (of course, he never gives up). Sage’s programming was centered around the preservation of her father-Eggman. At many points, she COULD HAVE gotten him out of cyberspace, but as she points out, there was no scenario where taking him out of cyberspace would allow him to live for very long.

@lakotapruitt5773

Жыл бұрын

You know Sometimes I wonder if Sage was keeping valuable information away from Eggman in order to keep him in Cyberspace As while Eggman wanted Sage to figure a way out for him, that in turn went directly against her initial directive of protecting him So my theory is that she withheld information on how to escape Cyberspace so that she could keep him in there long enough for her to figure out a solution to keeping The End from breaching it's containment

Theory time: The Ancients created the Phantom Ruby. The Phantom Ruby was never given an origin despite how interesting its powers were and they kinda wasted it in that way, but it seems Ian Flynn decided to save it from the scrap heap. The Phantom Ruby, the Ancients robots, and even The End itself all share similar designs aesthetics. They both have that same red and purple glitch/smoke effect. It's almost identical. Beyond that, Cyberspace is eerily similar in nature to the Ruby's powers. They both create artificial reality based on the memories and will of the one involved. The creatures sonic fights throughout Frontiers seem to be created from Cyberspace and all fade away after defeat, just like Infinite and his phantom clones. The End could create a form for itself out of absolutely nothing, not unlike the Phantom Ruby's constucts. The End describes itself as "I am Infinite, I am nothing," Which both reflects the name the one who had the most contact with the Ruby took, and how the constructs created by both the Ruby and Cyberspace have both mass and form and are simultaneously nonexistent illusions. The Ruby exhibited its greatest power when exposed to the Chaos Emeralds, and the Ancients made their tech to be powered by them. Lastly exposure to Cyberspace and The End's power granted Sage higher sentience, just like the Ruby did for the Hard Boiled Heavies. The similarities between The End's abilities and the Ancients tech makes me think they created it by observing him. Perhaps they even held The End captive at one point and studied it before it escaped and destroyed their world. I believe the Phantom Ruby is an evolution of Cyberspace tech that the Ancients who fled to angel island created. They wanted to be able to keep viewing their homeworld like they did through Cyberspace and perhaps even to see their deceased love ones. So, they created the Ruby to both create portable Cyberspaces and create replicas of people they had data of in their archives. Just like the rest of their tech, the ruby was corrupted by The End and drove those who used it mad. The red glitch effects indicate The End's corruption, whereas blue is uncorrupted. The constant exposure due to their addiction to the ruby degraded their DNA, transforming them into the Chao. The Ruby laid buried on Angel Island until the Hard Boiled heavies discovered it in the Mania timeline.

@LyriCole32

Жыл бұрын

That would explain why Eggman went insane in Sonic Mania from exposure to the Phantom Ruby. Good theory!

@RedclawedPro

Жыл бұрын

Very well written theory! I really hope Sonic team expands on this in the next installments

@sboinkthelegday3892

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully next game Eggman modifies Orbot and Cubot to fold, like they seem designed to do, and become kinda like artificial Koco. But instead of recording data from outside, they would project new boss enemies, artifical Chaos's that act as Orbot's and Cubot's semi-virtual bodies.

@OMR3333

Жыл бұрын

@@RedclawedPro If we have Ian flynn for the next game, I can almost assure it :)

@thabreez456

Жыл бұрын

This is an incredibly clever theory.

2:54 that's what I've been thinking about. Were they planning on using the Master Emerald and transform the Chaos Emeralds into Super Emeralds? I know that's not canon, but that scene makes that possibilities soo explicit.

This story does not hold you’re hand and that’s what I like about it The final boss The End explains more of what it is in the final fight . It has traveled across countless worlds and flames to destroy them as the infinite void . There must be a sonic frontiers 2

@ddsbo

Жыл бұрын

it still leaves you a mysterious vibe after but still some peace which is amazing

I like how Sage and The End are similar in the Japanese version. Their purpose is the protection of all life forms by deviation from physical bodies. But Sage overcomes this bias at last and finishes the entity with Sonic who can transcend even fate. This is so meaningful.

@Ncholasbloom

Жыл бұрын

wow that makes her sacrifice more important

@Ncholasbloom

Жыл бұрын

i know most fans hate the moon boss but it works as sage's redemption

Just the thought of the Ancients being the ancestors of Chaos is pretty cool! Not only that, I think it’s a pretty interesting theory of the Ancients that moved to Angel Island became the Chao from the infection. You actually make a pretty good point there since Chaos has a good connection with the Chao.👍

The story of this game is eerily similar to Legend of Zelda: Majora’s mask, but instead of sumonning giants, you defeat them. The story about people doing their hardest to prevent the end of the wold (civilization) is the same.

@Z3RO5286

Жыл бұрын

Sonic frontiers is a well written story. Kudos to Ian Flynn and his magnificent writing. He needs to be the head for sonic stories from now on. His zombie arc as well is also what we need for more sonic stories in the future.

@gawdlyb5117

Жыл бұрын

@@Z3RO5286 explain honestly I like the game but without this video making me appreciate it a tad more but the story in game doesn't explain or properly portray any of the elements used in good stories

I'm willing to bet the chaos emeralds weren't created by this alien race. They likely just found those things too. What I want to know is how is Sonic Boom canon in this game's time line? Amy mentioned Sticks in a cutscene. Sticks is a Boom character.

@forgetyousawthis2255

Жыл бұрын

Sonic boom isn’t cannon they just made sticks a cannon character

@Blue587EE

Жыл бұрын

There is a main series incarnation of Sticks. She has a profile on Sonic Channel, appeared in the Sonic Channel anniversary comic, and I think she also appeared in at least once in the Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games series.

@telstrax9263

3 ай бұрын

No it is canon it’s just a different universe, it’s probably a similar lore but some different events I domt think it matters much in the norm universe

Also worth mentioning, when the ancient's went to Angel Island, it wasn't floating yet as Tikal was the one who put it in the sky.

@kingades1013

Жыл бұрын

She did? The more you know…

@CaptBlock

Жыл бұрын

@@kingades1013 Sort of, when Perfect Chaos attacked the Echidna tribe, Tikal sealed him inside the Master Emerald, as a side effect, she was also sealed away and Angel Island started floating.

@Alejandro333777

Жыл бұрын

@@CaptBlock when was this explained

@CaptBlock

Жыл бұрын

@@Alejandro333777 Sonic Adventure, it goes into the backstory of the Master Emerald, Knuckles, and Angel Island.

You've explained this very well, thank you! Now I'll turn to this video if I want to discuss the story/lore with my friends who might also have been as confused as I was :'D

@SONICSTA

Жыл бұрын

glad i could help!!

Excellent video. I honestly feel like this story is far from over, and that we've only scratched the surface of more lore coming in the future.

Giving the secret ending, I think he could set up perfectly for another try at a Shadow the Hedgehog standalone game, where the story involves him and Team Dark doing a favor for Eggman to recover what I would assume is a equivalent of a black box from the supreme titen that may have Sage in it.

Your video gave me a new appreciation for the story! I just hit the 3rd island so it makes a lot of the cutscenes and events have a new meaning 🔥

Is it just me or does anybody else in the comments feel like the end /AI voice could possibly return because I don’t think it’s over

@silenttera666

Жыл бұрын

You're not the only one.

@orangehat1924

Жыл бұрын

It did say in one of the lines for its dialogue that the planet-like entity was only one of its incarnations, if its true then I wonder if The End really is the most dangerous force from Sonic's World we've encountered yet.

@CosmicSpider69

Жыл бұрын

It said that moon was just one of countless of it's vessels. I wonder what true form is...

You know..... This was amazing. Thanks for explaining chaos and ancients stuff

@SONICSTA

Жыл бұрын

glad i was able to help! thanks for watching!

The Game itself feels pretty nice, and the story as well, I enjoyed it no spoilers!

Thanks for clearing up this story I really appreciate it :)

So the Chao who’d become Chaos wasn’t mutated by its power but instead it was the other way around. The energy somehow undid the mutation and reverted Chaos back to a familiar enough form to protect the Master Emerald.

i think they evolved into the chao and the master emerald mutaded chaos back to a more ancient look, it's like a dinosaur turning into a chicken evolution is just weird sometimes

I was actually thinking they were related to Chaos in some way because they were the ones with the Chaos Emeralds before any of the Mobians like the Equidna tribe and such.

@princebealalthe3rd732

Жыл бұрын

They are related to chaos just chaos harnessed the emeralds to become a monster unlike them who harnessed the emeralds to defeat “the end “

This video is wonderful! When i finished the game i did not understood everything about the story so yes it is very helpful. Thanks for the high quality keep it UP!

3:48 I'm probably gonna have to disagree there. To me, it seems more like chaos is a devolved chao. Technically mutated, in a similar vein to mutating a human back into an ape.

Really helpful stuff I had no clue what the ancients were supposed to be but this helps a lot

Man, I had no idea that players who play on Easy or Normal get absolutely shafted on that last boss encounter. I played on hard and was telling my buddy how much I struggled with the bullet hell towards the end of it and he was confused because he played on normal. He showed me the cutscene and I was like wow… they tease you with the top down view and just skip to the quick time event 😂 Play on Hard mode or at least switch it to hard before the final boss so you can see how the end is supposed to play out

I still can't believe safe wasn't what we thought... I had a feeling that sage was Eggmans AI. But I still don't get how sage has a physical and cyber form...

@ClashBluelight

Жыл бұрын

almost everything on the starfall islands is made of cyber stuff. sage is simply manifesting herself in the same way all the enemies are. that's why she doesn't have a physical form when eggman brings her back in the end. she's on his computer, and thus, doesn't have access to cyberspace.

thank you so much for the video as trying to understand some of the story elements throughout the game got confusing

The chaos chao makes more sense now

Thank you, I understand the story better now!

Great video bro God bless. And this story is amazing!

Thanks for explaining 👍 ✨💎 Have a Way Past Cool Day! 💖👍

Cool video thanks👍

The part that I'm actually still confused on Is why the chaos Emeralds are still connected to The Titans If the ancients Said If the plan fails They were going to keep the chaos emeralds in angel island

@ClashBluelight

Жыл бұрын

Sage attracted the emeralds to the starfall islands to get the ancient tech back online so that she could potentially fight the end. She explains this to Sonic in a late game cutscene.

@nightfur456gaming7

Жыл бұрын

@@ClashBluelight oh really? Bc all I saw was just a Cut scene Of eggman trying to revive sage

@ClashBluelight

Жыл бұрын

@@nightfur456gaming7 It's not the very last scene, it's one of the conversations with sage while collecting the chaos emeralds.

I rlly love the weird mysterious lore that Sonic Frontiers's story has

Been looking for this

Now I’m confused as to how all this ties into Unleashed. If the emeralds are from space, then how were the gaia temples able to work with them? It was implied that the emeralds were as old as the planet itself

@chrange9714

Жыл бұрын

How the Gaia Temples came to work with them we don't fully know yet but the emeralds were never said to be old as the planet itself. That was what was assumed by human research, as far as they had known the emeralds are as old as the planet. They're really really old alright just not as old as Earth.

This story is so good.

Thank you the Koco bit of the story confused me

But where did the Master Emerald come from? I get that it was originally on Earth, but it's just lying on the grass, as if someone excavated it and brought it to the surface. My guess is that the Master Emerald fell from space inside of an asteroid or meteorite, and flew off when it crashed into the Earth. The meteorite would be unrecognizable from any other comet or star shower, hence the name "Starfall".

7:10 when I saw that I thought my game was bugged 😂

Thankyou

For your next video, can you please to a vid of how Sonic Frontiers saved Tails. I know you did a vid of how Tails was ruined as a character but in this game, he changed and fixed him. So yeah.

My Theory still seems accurate because Tails says the program in Zero Gravity that made the robots go berserk is maybe *made by the Ancient Babylonians* or maybe *someone even more ancient* which the fact he says not just Ancient Babylonians but another Ancient Individual makes it obvious that that even more Ancient someone is well an Ancient.

I am satisfied and happy with the script as a whole, it's definitely worthy of a spot with scripts in games like Black Knight, Unleashed and Sonic Riders Zero Gravity. All Meta Era games are at the bottom, the 2010s was underwhelming and aggravating, there was so much lack of effort and quality from cutscenes, script and game itself, I just REEEEALLY hope we don't revert back to that Era of quality, I don't want games to feel small, lacking and not AAA.

SPOILER ALERT: For the record it’s another story where an alien race brings their problems to Sonics planet. This isn’t the only Sonic game where beings from another bring Armageddon to our front door step. Sonic Riders zero gravity Babylon Garden is one of them. Babylonians brought a stone power units that are power enough to conjure a black hole. Just throwing that out there.

Ok that makes sense but what’s the Master Emeralds deal what’s its origin and why is it on Earth? Also why is it connected to the chaos emeralds and why does it turn chaos emeralds to super emeralds

The story of the ancients reminded me of a creepypasta called: dead space. where humans explore other planets looking for aliens... and find no one, they know they existed because they built cities and traveled to other worlds, but then they all disappeared... no one is left... maybe even the aliens had religions and in some of them there is the famous prophesied end that indicates the end of everything and everyone? Perhaps for the ancients of the game it is the same, the myth of the apocalypse that comes to get them and in order to fulfill its purpose chases them throughout the space until it has found them.

The koco follow elders still alive, don't follow just past. Maybe the ancients modifed their charms fusion with them able to have children an children having charms too?

The End. A manipulative entity bent on pure destruction, completely destroying planets and murdering civilians. All of the villainous beings from previous games were all caused by The End. Chaos getting corrupted and becoming this water monster flooding a city. Gerald creating the Bio Lizard and setting the ARK to crash into earth. Metal Sonic transforming into a metallic overlord. Black Doom and his army invading Earth and using chaos control to warp the Black Commit to Earth. Mephiles killing Sonic to release Iblis from Elise, fusing with Iblis to become Solaris. Dark Gaia destroys the Earth and breaking it apart. Sonic and Sage may have defeated The End, but there’s a chance that it will return.

Make a part 2 video for sonic frontiers

one question how do you do the mouths for sonic in the renders

Some to you

Nobody talking about the broken purple emerald in Ares island?

hey Sonicsta can you make a theory video on Sonic Prime takes place after Sonic frontiers since it was confirmed that Sonic Prime is cannon to the games 😁😁

@sonicthehedgehog1606

Жыл бұрын

Source?

@ArnoldStark123

Жыл бұрын

@@sonicthehedgehog1606 SEGA 😁

@overthinkingintrovert

Жыл бұрын

@@ArnoldStark123 link?

@pixilatedink.7920

Жыл бұрын

@@ArnoldStark123 no, it's like idw. It takes place in the games

@ArnoldStark123

Жыл бұрын

@@pixilatedink.7920 that is what I said but with different wording

I feel like I'm still a little confused even though you explained it, I'm so dumb

Sage summoned the emeralds to try and the End in

Wait so, where do the enemies come from? Are they just things sent from cyberspace from “The End?” Or are they manifestations of “The End” itself in different forms?

@bakedbeans5494

Жыл бұрын

The enemies were created by the Anicents.

@galothymos6628

Жыл бұрын

@@bakedbeans5494 oh as like an army like the titans?

@bakedbeans5494

Жыл бұрын

@@galothymos6628 Yes.

You know I feel like this isn't the end of we'll THE END!.

Do you think The Ancients created or discovered the Chaos Emeralds?

If sage is an ai how is she able to o attack sonic or transfer into another robot as if she was a real thing?

Bro did not just say "Weevern" lmao

You know the thing is, the story is pretty decent and provides a lot of important context to the overall lore. “The End” isn’t even that bad a concept, I just think the way it was presented was underwhelming, especially as a boss fight, considering how high boss fight expectations became early on in the game.

@anthonydiaz4803

Жыл бұрын

I think it's because at the end they ran out of money so some ideas and contents were cut off Which is pretty sad I wonder what it would have been like if it a bigger budget.

@CosmicSpider69

Жыл бұрын

They didn't had time to finish the fight, they only had only 60 people working on it and schedule was tight.

@andreasmeelie1889

Жыл бұрын

I thought that the boss fight was great and challenging.

Am I the only dude who saw the broken master emerald back on the knuckles island.

@justaguywhosbored.8289

Жыл бұрын

Or atleast that’s what it looked like

How did sonic get cyclop

Go work for SEGA and Sonic Team as their Lore Master!! There is an actual online position for SEGA Sonic Team to find somone well versed and educated in ALL the lore of Sonic the Hedgehog! This includes finding unique creative and meaningful ways of tying in EVERYTHING AS CANNON and your explanation of Chao being the Ancients actually makes sense! And thanx to you I FINALLY understand this game's mysterious story! Honest to Chaos I never understood it until now!

@SONICSTA

Жыл бұрын

I WISH LOL! thank you!🙏

@chrange9714

Жыл бұрын

Yeah no lol, calm down there kiddo. A lore explanation video does not equal "YoU'rE a MaStEr On SoNiC lOrE aNd ShOuLd WoRk FoR sOnIc TeAm AnD sEgA!" Like lmao chill.

The ancients know their bodies falling part. Explains why not actually different from one talking about past stuff.

in the story it doesnt say or explain the GUARDIANS tho

When the story is this complicated, it shouldn’t be a story

@chrange9714

Жыл бұрын

It's not complicated at all genius, not for normal people anyway

Say wyvern again 😀

Huh, so the Chaos Emeralds are from Space and the Master Emerald is from Earth? That's alittle weird to me but eh.

@lks19

Жыл бұрын

The Echidna tribe could predict the future (at least partially. If they had the power to predict the future with accuracy, they would still be alive to this day). That's a theory I have, but we can assume that's true because of that mural inside Hidden Palace Zone, the one that's referencing Super/Hyper Sonic fighting Eggman with the Master Emerald between the two. They probably knew that the Chaos Emeralds would come to the Earth eventually.

@CosmicSpider69

Жыл бұрын

@@lks19 unless someone or something messed up the future and they couldn't predict it anymore.

@chrange9714

Жыл бұрын

It's not from Earth, it just being shown on Earth doesn't mean it originated there. A buuuunch of people in this comment section to not think at all and just let their brains fly all over the place. Like think lol

actually there's easter eggs in the game

So the story is somewhat similar to BOTW.

What about the Gaia temples this creates a plot hole??

@chrange9714

Жыл бұрын

No it doesn't lol

Wyvern is pronounced Wi-vurn

I’m confused How do you know about this stuff, like the ancients going to angel island, that wasn’t confirmed in the game?

@RedWing4126

Жыл бұрын

Eggman áudio files and the Divergence Prologue animation, that shows a cyber space portal in angel Island, and cyber space portals are Ancient tecnology, and, Chaos? Like HELLO???

I still don't understand what the hell is the kocos

@bakedbeans5494

Жыл бұрын

The Kocos are the spirits of the Ancients.

@os9077

Жыл бұрын

@@bakedbeans5494 so the ancients are still alive?

@bakedbeans5494

Жыл бұрын

@@os9077 Sort of but the Ancients devolved into Kocos.

@chrange9714

Жыл бұрын

They were the Ancient's good luck charms, inheriting their spirits after they passed on.

Wait, this is not a meme

@SONICSTA

10 ай бұрын

nope

this isn't a jab at the video but it's funny to me how nobody knows how to pronounce wyvern lol

A soft reboot like Sonic adventure. Case closed! Anyone else gotta go fast because of these adds?

@forgetyousawthis2255

Жыл бұрын

How is it a soft Reboot?

@erikbihari3625

Жыл бұрын

@@forgetyousawthis2255The mentioning of past events. Do you not know what a soft reboot is?

this game has a story?💀💀💀

I just finished the game I liked it but the story was trash like how we even got here lol

Still don't 100% understand. What do the ancients have to do with Choas? How has the Master Emerald created and why isn't it with the chaos emeralds? Why did Sonic need to destroy the titans to free everyone from cyberspace? Why did Sage draw the emeralds there? If she doesn't want The End to get out, why did she cause it?

@princebealalthe3rd732

Жыл бұрын

Basically Choas is same species as ancients he was just able to live somehow with the power of the master emerald which turned him into that big water dragon.later on the echidnas found it.we don’t know where the master emerald is from it could of crashed on earth from a meteor or something and it called the choas emeralds to it.and sage put all of sonics friends in cyber space to prevent them from freeing Eggman since she put him in cyber space to stop the end from destroying him since she is programmed to protect him at all cost sonic was just able to escape somehow.that’s why they all were free when the end was destroyed cuz sage died so she couldn’t keep them there anymore

@forgetyousawthis2255

Жыл бұрын

Egg memo 11 tells the relationship with chaos and the ancients

@TheGamerRist

Жыл бұрын

@@princebealalthe3rd732 No they were all freed before Sage died after Sonic turned off the towers. If the titans don't do anything then why wouldn't she just tell him that to stop sonic? Why did she need the titans? But they went to the islands because she drew the emeralds there. Why? If she didn't, The End wouldn't have a chance of getting out.

@TheGamerRist

Жыл бұрын

@@forgetyousawthis2255 I did but still don't 100% understand

@Handepsilon

Жыл бұрын

To answer the original question from my own personal knowledge and assumptions : 1. Eggman seems to imply that Chaos and the Ancients are relatives. He also said something about the Ancients' DNA being corroded and turned them into completely different thing. The Ancients turning into Chao is never really mentioned, but it's very likely considering Chaos' origin being a mutated Chao. 2. The Master Emerald is somehow originating from Earth. There's no explanation on that, and I don't think even the Ancients knew much about it other than the Emeralds being attracted to it. 3.The End instructed Sonic to destroy the Titans in order to free his friends, most likely because the Titans are part of the Cyberspace's seal. It's kinda shortsightedness in Sonic's part, but to be fair, there's nobody else who would give him direction. Sage, most likely due to her programming, would not give any information due to Sonic being an enemy. It wouldn't be that far off for Eggman to program Sage so strictly that she's basically unable to help Sonic (or any of Eggman's enemies) unless specifically authorized. 4. I'm very certain Sage did not draw the Emeralds there. The Emeralds were either already there (most likely) before Eggman arrived and installed Sage in. 5. Sage definitely did not cause The End to get out. If anything, her attempts to kill Sonic earlier would be more in line on preventing it.

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You really shoulda structured this shiz a little more chronologically instead of jumping all over the place after the explanation of the ancients lol

Did anyone else find all of Sonic and Amy's dialogue dry and cringeworthy? Important, but dry.

@chrange9714

Жыл бұрын

No because it wasn't in the slightest. Have fun alone in here bud. *Cricket chirps*

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