*SAFETY ADVICE:* Firstly, never, never, never use an extension cord coiled up! At high current draw, the heat generated is unable to dissipate. Best case, the insulation melts and fuses together. Worst case, you start a fire! Please heed this advice. Secondly, when drawing this much current, *use only a 12/3 extension cord,* and then the shortest one possible. Cord length causes voltage drop. And lower voltage results in even higher current, generating even more heat. Though the circuit you're using to charge may be protected by a 20A breaker, the circuit should only be used with 1,500W continuous max. Though the charger shows "Power: 1800W", the rated output listed of 84V @ 18A means that it actually yields 1,512W. 4,000Wh/72V=55.5Ah At 18A, a full charge from 100% depth of discharge should be possible in a bit over 4 1/2 hours. The extra lead with two round probes is a NEMA EUR plug for adapting from NEMA 15-5R (125V @15A) to European CEE7 (250V @ 10A). The extra lead with two white insulated conductors appears to be some sort of DC charging cable with signaling. Hopefully we'll find out more about this lead as time passes.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

thank you for this!

Best Sondors Metacycle content anywhere!!!!

Thanks for this, just cancelled my pre-order, no removable battery and no weather proof charger, for a “commuting” bike it misses to many daily requirements

The small “unknown adapter” you held up before the euro plug is to bench charge the battery

I can't believe they delivered the bike without an easy to remove battery. That's a huge slap in the face of everyone who bought it. I was worried about crap like that, which is why I cancelled my order when they first delayed it late last year. The charging station is basically just some generic AC/DC power inverter with a big heat sink and a cheap fan mounted on top that you would use to run power tools off a car battery. All they did was reverse the connections so you are going from 120V AC to 72V DC instead of from 12V DC to 120V AC. The extra power cord is for European outlets. I think the extra white cord and plug is probably for European connections for the bike battery. Connection standards are different in EU, and I bet that's some standard plug type you have to use for high voltage DC in Europe. The batteries for the bikes they will be sending to Europe probably use that connecter.

Thank you for the video! Helped answer a lot of questions regarding I have and whether or not to keep my preorder.

Thanks a lot for making these videos! Please keep the coming.

Hey thanks man for posting! We are all learning a lot

Great content. Keep up the great information on this bike!

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

thank you i'm trying 🥹

I paid a deposit 2 years ago & Sondors still can’t give me any idea of the U.K. shipping cost or when it might arrive here. The fact that the battery is not removable, despite the promo video showing otherwise is nothing short of false advertising & those buttons that are good for absolutely nothing,suggests to me that corners have been cut to make more profit & us customers are losing out as a result. I’m seriously considering cancelling, as this bike is nothing like we’ve been lead to believe & is selling on nothing more than the alloy frame aesthetics

I was actually thinking about buying one but from what I seen so far it's kind of a big letdown too many changes from what it originally was supposed to be but I hope everybody that did buy one is happy with their purchase great video

Maybe a high voltage connection for a Tesla station?

Other than the European electrical outlet cord. The other cord is probably for the accessory battery that they are going to offer that will go into the open space in the top of the frame to charge it. Even though the motorcycles instrument cluster doesn't give any indication of charging. That is actually a good thing that the charging circuit doesn't go through the motorcycles dashboard. My thinking behind that is if the stock charger ever dies as long as you source another charger that puts out the proper voltage and amperage you could always make another cable to charge it with the same pinouts. Hopefully the dash on the motorcycle can be updated via firmware to make the buttons operational. I would check to see if there's a data input port on the instrument cluster that could possibly be used to update the firmware. Another possibility is the USB port in the cell phone charging box might also be a data USB port that could update firmware. However I doubt that they were that forward thinking when they designed it. I also wonder if the USB port is a USB 2.0 or 3.0 for power output. If you get a chance check with different devices of yours to see if it supports quick charging. I'm still looking forward to my arctic white motorcycle. However your video definitely shows the jankyness of their design! You can definitely tell this is their first motorcycle design! 🤦‍♂️LOL If anybody from Sondors reads this comment. Please get someone knowledgeable in the motorcycle industry to help you make the necessary revision changes as production continues. Things to fix in the next revision: 1. Better Seat 2. Better Pegs 3. Properly sized front fender for riding in the rain. The current one doesn't go down on the back side of the tire anywhere near far enough. The front tire will kick up rain right into the top open area of the frame and through the air holes in front of the battery compartment. The area is going to get completely filthy and saturated with water.

I think those two redundant buttons on the display unit are probably because the display is a mass produced item from another company. Those buttons may well have uses when the screen is used on other applications. But, could also become useful in the future if Sondors makes any software updates, etc. And regarding the battery no longer being removable, they probably decided that it'll be a stronger, more reliable item if it's fixed in place. I agree, it would have been nice to be able to remove it and take it indoors for charging, but no biggie. I'm really excited about this bike, and really happy for you to be one of the first people to receive theirs. Happy riding buddy. Looking forward to more videos on the bike.

The first extra cord might so you can chain two batteries together? They have mentioned on their website that they plan to have an optional extended battery to fit in the empty region.

There's probably a special procedure to enter the menus in the gauge cluster. Probably hold both buttons down for a certain amount of time or something like that

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

good idea. will try.

Thanks for posting the videos. I hate this proprietary charger stuff. I have a 2015 Zero S that I still love and works great. Based on everything I've seen, I haven't clicked accelerate order yet.

I think the extra cable maybe be for the future rumored extra battery or accessories to connect them together.. But not sure how it connects or if it’s long enough..Maybe? Anyways if there’s really no way to remove the battery, Idunno if I want one anymore 😥

When you buy a Surron you get a similar cable. It lets you choose what level of regenerative braking you want.

That plug says Futronics and they make fingerprint scanners. Searching for that part number on the plug doesn't come up with anything though.

Could be a controller bypass cable or for programming it to tune/update firmware, or could be to join a second battery. Looks rugged though. My money is on running a 2nd batt.

It's interesting that your bike is riding on Michelin tires where as the 2nd set delivery bikes will have the cheap kenda bicycle tires.

The extra part you gave for the one yoy cant connect might be for the 2nd battery you can get?

I wonder how long it will take for Sondors or some other company to make a detachable bag that fits in the hole above the motor.

One of the extra cables is to charge the battery outside the bike. One end plugs in to the external changer and the other 2 plugs go into the removed battery.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

i'm unable to remove the battery

Sondors has mentioned an accessory fast charger (available at some future date - sound familiar?). That may be what the mystery cable is intended for.

Be careful. Some electric bikes can actually break if you use an extension cord. Saw a guy totally fuck up his livewire.

I heard some LiveWire customers fried their bikes by using normal household extension cables whilst charging their bikes. Please double check that it's okay to do that with your bike. 👍🏼

Hold up the plug is on the outside wall of the cover not the back edge out of the way hidden from view? No lock? Anyone can waltz up and damage the plug if they want too?

Thanks for posting this! Are the seat as bad as other review had mentioned?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

sitting longer than an hour on the saddle might be uncomfortable.

I remember reading that Sondor was thinking about productions an accessory that would allow you to charge at a regular EV car station, so does the extra item fit or compatible with EV car station charger?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

doesn't seem like it. i could be wrong. they still haven't sent out a manual.

I'm surprised the charger is not at least J1772 compatible. What a shame. I thought I saw an o-ring hanging out of the bottom also. I truly appreciate the video. Needs just a few more refinements.

I didn't go through all your comments but when you showed the tray when you were storing the keys it look like it had wireless charging

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

correct. i still need to test that out.

MACRAIS Z8X now that is a proper quality electric bike!

Great videos, Smith! Is there a way to get in touch with you?

That thing is for future fast charging. it looks like a mini CCS.

Thank you for sharing, sir. Really appreciate it. You’re happy with the purchase?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

i can't really say right now. sondors still hasn't sent me the MCO with the correct VIN. overall the purpose of the bike is to commute to work and back without charging at work and it'll definitely serve that purpose. it's just unfortunate the bike didn't come with some of the things they advertised.

I notice that every time you press the left button my heart pacer glitches out, when you press the button on the right my garage door open, weird............

that unknown cable could be for a charging station.. does the bike die on you once the battery is drained? it still gives you time to get home? how was the range of the battery? does it heat up on long/short ride? how fast was the charging? how do you find the frame, knowing that it's a cast aluminum alloy?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

haven't done a full long range test and i don't wanna get to the point where i only have two bars left on the battery and i'm no where near home. so far i haven't felt any heat. charging is around 4hrs but thats because i haven't drained the battery. the frame seems sturdy enough.

What temperature ranges are listed as safe for the battery? I've got an electric scooter with a range that means I have to take the batteries in the house when it gets too hot or cold. If the battery isn't removable, that could impact battery life in many climates.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

i don't know. no manual from sondors yet.

That adapter looks like a (future) faster than 110V charging option

its crazy how they send it with no manual no type of paper work

It's for the charging station

I canceled my order August 17th and still no signs of my money back, heya sled for 12 business days, it’s been 16 business days and still nothing, check at BBB And you will see that Sondors response for those problems, the guy on the phone said that they are receiving too many cancelations and just can’t process them at the same time (no money) I hope I can get my money back

Is the yellow icon that looks like a battery on the LCD the Battery Charging indicator? Does it go off when you disconnect the battery>

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

no it stays on

The extra cord is the manual.

Does this bike allow to drive while being charged? The D on the dashboard makes me think that you actually could

I’m guessing it’s for the possible 2nd Battery

Maybe try holding the mystery buttons down for a longer period of time… as opposed to clicking them? Or both at the same time? Please work out all the kinks before mine arrives😀😀 Thanks Kevin

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

tell that to Sondors lol

Perhaps those 2 buttons under the screen need to be pressed and held simultaneously, maybe to reset screen. Try that

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

good idea. i'll try that

What is that wire sticking out at 2:30

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

no clue.

With the USB port... Can you attach a battery bank to give the battery extra juice?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

doubt it.

The location of the phone charger, it does not look like it is properly sealed to be waterproof (heavy rain fall). please correct me if i am wrong.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

water might leak through.

5-6.5k bike made with same parts from a 8kw ebike from aliababa

So the web site mentions L2 charging. I don't see a J1772 port. Is there one?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

no

Did you get plates yet?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

no. waiting on sondors to send MCO with proper vin.

A lot of changes since the marketing ad of the prototype, unfortunately. The initial features were very appealing. The production changes are disappointing. Does the bike have any regenerative braking ? I've heard both yes and no.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

as far as i can feel when riding no. also, there's nothing on the dash that indicates it does have regen.

I am so disappointed. How they let people think the battery was removable.

Really odd they don't even give you a manual, or that there is not one online that you can access. Looks like you might be able to remove the battery with security torx bits, and that may be what the short cable is for once the battery is removed for charging. Just a guess, but would make sense. But a huge pain in the ass, and not what they advertised.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

hella inconvenient.

The buttons you pressed on the back of the display. You were only pressing them. What about press and hold for 5 seconds or pressing the buttons at the same time and maybe holding them.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

good idea. will try.

Did you figure out a way to take the battery out?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

no. don't wanna unscrew anything.

Is it possible to put it into drive while it's still charging?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

no i tried it.

Iove the look of it but can't get away with a ev motorcycle I can't remove the batteries at my apartment.

Dude it to connect to a car charging station right?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

not that i know of

It looks like the phone charger is one that's on my table and then they integrated it on the bike

I want my $100 back.

No owner's manual is a bad sign. It screams half baked. You'd think they'd at least have a pdf or something on their website.

there's no BMS app?

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

whats BMS?

Must A few wait.

Charging station adapter

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

no.

When you buy all of the motorcycle parts on Wish....

That's not opposite. Opposite would be unplugging it from power and then disconnecting battery.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

i stand corrected. gracias.

please how much I'm interested

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

$6500

😆 usb-a? That’s silly

i'll buy it if you find out you dont want it

No f’n manual. They should be embarrassed.

Feels somewhat beta overall. Good for $5K, albeit somewhat unfinished.

Why does it have a Porsche looking key fob? Lol

Sorry fella but this looks so cheap and not what was advertised, I hope they NEVER sell in the UK as with advertising like that with no removable battery they would be sued to high heaven and they would not be able to sell due to trade descriptions act. Also the foot pedals look poor, even the dash looks very low quality such a shame. There is a BRITISH built bike (albeit costs more) that puts this to shame (also a hub based motor) it is called THE MACRAIS ZX8 (i think he is changing the wing mirrors and the dash interface as its in beta but only a month from release) Tested highway specs with the lowest battery is 60 miles at 85mph (£7200) for up to 120 miles highway range (150 city) (£8200). It may not have the looks of the empty space Sondors Design but the Macrais XZ8 bike looks like a symphony of evil. Have a look on Green Mopeds YT channel mate.... All in all I would rather pay the extra and at that price bracket it sits nicely between a HORWIN CR6 PRO and a ZERO bike. No need for an external charging adapter either, also better regen fits two people and the seating is awesome. Please youtube MACRAIS Z8X now THAT is a bike!

Get a tripod please lol

5000 dollars for no manual nothing that because people pay this company regardless...smh I lear my lesson with ariel rider

No owners manual really… Can anybody say lawsuit?? Especially on a EV bike.. Let’s watch the future show.

Look at the build quality of this bike is pure shit

All what i have seen is youst a cheaply made bike, key fob looks like a porsche key 😑 and the sound the bike makes is annoying.

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

i totally agree with the annoying sound.

What a cheap looking charger

was that a use bike it look beat up al ready

@smithlongworth7389

Жыл бұрын

i've put some miles on it in the one week i've had it