That 0-60 time is a security feature. If someone takes off on it, you can catch them on foot. ;-)

@roblime8438

Жыл бұрын

Mr brown is always looking on the brightside!

@fredweller1086

Жыл бұрын

Facts.

@woodstockxx

Жыл бұрын

@@roblime8438 - it’s a fact..& it’s false advertising..Sondors told me 6 seconds..what’s the point in an electric bike that takes 15 seconds to reach 60...a Chinese ebike gets there faster 🤷‍♂️

@roblime8438

Жыл бұрын

@@woodstockxx Yeah I have an ONYX RCR. This is an Ebike right - not a motorcycle. Now it's top speed is closer to 50 and I've never timed it, but way under 10 seconds. I was scared that the low price would cost something and it looks like it certainly has.

@woodstockxx

Жыл бұрын

@@roblime8438 - I’m gutted mate..ordered it 2 years ago & still waiting. They’ve changed the sleek rectangular wings to shitty, cheap Chinese ones. the battery in the promo video is removable but in reality it’s not, the naked silver was advertised everywhere but isn’t available at all, the supermassive was shown with black wheels & looked mean but I’d being shipped with silver, which completely destroys the look..even the style of wheel has been changed to what I presume is a cheaper one, the dash has two buttons on the underside that serve no purpose at all, 0-60 is shockingly shite, Sondors still can’t give me any idea whatsoever with regard to U.K. shipping fees or dates .. NOT GOOD .. I’m seriously considering cancelling, unless somebody finds a way to hack the software & get me to 60 in 6 .. I’m considering the Horwin CR6 or might even carry on saving for the Tarform Luna..it’s a lot of money at 15 grand but it’s also a lot of bike & completely blows the metacycle away in every department

Trevor, thank you so much for your review. Especially appreciate the speed test comparison between riders. A very well organized presentation overall and very helpful for the community at this point in time. Bravo!

Dude you've just gotten your newest follower!!! Lovelovelove the total honesty an knowledge!!! Thank you... I am 170+-miles into the eworld on my FucareGemini . . . Would love to see a review on it, personally I freak'n LOVE it:)

Nice work. I missed it. Did you mention range of battery?

You put this together really well

Thanks for the video! It answered all my questions! Great job! be safe.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

Excellent review wish your channel great success!

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

Great review! Thorough and with perspective. It's a budget electric two wheeler. It'll help pave the way for more, better iterations. I'd say it's a new segment of bike/scooter all together.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Well said!

Great review! I like the design as a one man transportation.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

Anti-sieze can be applied to the threads in the frame which should protect them somewhat during repeated use. But not indefinitely. Drilling & installing helicoils may work, at least for a while.

Thank you Trevor, your observations are on point, specific, & helpful. Great job.

Liked and subscribed. Great content man! Way to be thorough and honest for those considering the bike. I'll watch all your other videos to help your channel.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Greatly appreciated! You're amazing

great review-despite the setbacks they still look cool

Thanks for the review. Coming from a Honda Ruckus makes me think I'll enjoy the bike a lot more than those that wanted something to compete with gas motorcycles in the same price range. Also it was great to see the comparative stats with rider size.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

Looks like another Sondors reviewer in the ranks! Welcome!

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Cheers mate

I'm wondering if the $6500 is including shipping. The post below is from the Sonders site. "upped price of $6500 dollars (or around $7000 - $7200 dollars with the delivery fee?)" $6,500 Est. Delivery Q4 2022 - Q1 2023 By placing this order, I agree to the Metacycle Order Agreement and Privacy Policy. Price includes delivery fee.

Great review. You're correct. This is a motorcycle made to fit above the GROM and the below your standard 600 sport. For those of us that are shorter and lighter, the Metacycle is probably the perfect ride. For anyone expecting the specs Sondors advertised, you're going to want a refund. The electric motor specs were never going to deliver the kind of performance advertised at 72 volts on anything other than an electrified bicycle .

@LiveWire_Guy

Жыл бұрын

This bike is exactly my original 1974 Kawasaki G3SS which was 90cc and produced 11 horse or 7.7 kW. It could hit 82 mph with two people on board. Sondors missed the boat and lied about what his bike was.

@moquiti

Жыл бұрын

@@LiveWire_Guy, about the same as I'm riding now, an Aprilia Scarabeo 200, which happens to be just about the perfect commuter for my needs. The Metacycle would be a significant step down, which is why I cancelled.

@CodyCha

Жыл бұрын

Metacycle is below 300cc bikes. 600cc aren’t even in the same stratosphere.

Thanks for an honest review.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Always!

I was wondering about real world range also. A test at highway speed and at city driving would be a welcome edition for a second video. I'm sure the Sonders estimates are way off just like the 0-60. One thing though, on a light low power electric "motor cycle" Driver weight is going to make a huge impact as you have seen. I'm 195 so i'd be about in between you two as far as 0-60 goes. Nothing like getting outran by a Sur ron :) Hopefully someone will come out with some good aftermarket upgrades like a better seat and a brake upgrade kit. Other videos I have watched they also said the brakes left much to be desired.

Nice review, I ordered the SuperMassive. Patiently waiting. Hands down, some of the hottest technology hitting the streets! I’ll be charging mine with solar power.

@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt

Жыл бұрын

Me, as well. I designed and built the battery for my rig specifically to be able to fully charge my Metacycle from solar.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Good initiative

@xavi5898

Жыл бұрын

Good luck, been waiting for two years and now waiting for my refund. This thing is crap and I can’t wait to see it falling apart once people put real miles on it

@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt

Жыл бұрын

@@xavi5898 Two words: "Buh bye."

@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt

Жыл бұрын

@@xavi5898 Seriously, though, firstly you can't have been waiting "two years". Secondly, to say that something's "crap" without even so much as having laid eyes on the genuine article, let alone ridden it, is just so much whining and bitching. Apparently, Metacycle wasn't "crap", as you put it, when you reserved one, then (presumably) converted that reservation to an actual order. Then there's that "I can’t wait to see it falling apart once people put real miles on it" sociopathic comment. I'll just let that one twist out there all on its lonesome.

Great video and your conclusion was spot on with why I purchased. I was looking at high end e-bikes, which were close in price to the Metacycle, so I figured why not go for something more versatile that offers faster speeds and the ability to register and take on the road. I agree that Sondors wasn't honest about a lot of things but for $5k I feel like still a decent deal. No to mention, I'm sure there will be some significant mods done once more bikes are in circulation which will vastly increase what the bike is capable of. Just my opinion.

@gaslampnation735

Жыл бұрын

I wanted the rcr. When I came upon the company they had already increased the price after the Kickstarter phase. They wouldn't flex on price and then I saw the Meta going for $1k more. I'm still in line for phase 2. The mods thing is very interesting, and why didn't they add a second motor to the front hub?

@slimdunkin117

Жыл бұрын

I did the opposite..I wanted to ride wherever I wanted. In the forest on trails, sidewalks, streets and ended up with a m620 motor street legal bike. It reaches about 34mph extremely fast (never timed it), but I didn’t really get it for speed

@elvisparsley8683

Жыл бұрын

And so if I wanted one I'd need to get on the phase 2 list an ultimately pay the $7,ooo-$7,3oo+-? When is PII expected delivery?

Excellent video review, Trevor. I hope Sondors succeeds with the Metacycle and goes on to produce 2nd and 3rd generations of the motorcycle that actually meet the original performance goals. Sondors could have mitigated the current grief they are dealing with if they had just employed a competent PR person to inform their customers, in a timely manner, of necessary design changes and unforeseen production delays.

@moquiti

Жыл бұрын

My understanding is that PR comes from Storm Sondors. That's the problem. We see what and only what he wants us to see, we learn (before now) only what he wants to show us. The flip side to SONDORSX's plus side is its negative side (and not a small one either): Storm Sondors himself. IMO, he will single handedly destroy his own company's good will.

@xavierjeannis

Жыл бұрын

This bike can easily take all features and extra weight and get bigger, I didn’t know about the security features till this video. They’re right where they should be if you think the giga press will work

Thank for the video... I canceled my order, main reason is there new terms... I fear the lack of support in the future, how long will it take for the next wave to even come out... too many issues and promises not met... too bad, I’ll build my own or wait for another company that gets it right and takes care of their supporters. I’m glad some folks are getting there rides!

Thanks for your review. Looks like I made the right decision getting a refund. It's a shame they didn't deliver on what they promised us

I am so glad i got a refund this review is spot on. Save your money buy a real bike with comfort and no lies

Thanks for clearing up that the Right Brake Lever IS the Front Brake! As far as questions. How does the motorcycle handle when cornering? Does it drop into corners quickly or slowly? Also in relation to the cornering. How is the peg clearance when leaned over? Any clearance issues and scraping of pegs? Please measure the actual dimensions of the cell phone box so we know how much room we have to play around with to put a phone with a case inside. Also did you find out if the USB port inside the compartment supports USB 2 or 3 levels of charging output? EDIT: The frame bag looks awesome! But how are the magnets in the bag going to stick to an aluminum frame? Aluminum is not magnetic.

@crlla5782

Жыл бұрын

The "frame bag" is still very much a work in progress. Since their revelation that the aluminum frame of the Metacycle is not magnetic, the frame bag makers have switched to Velcro fasteners. Also the handle is being moved to a better location. The production model may look very different from the prototype. I hope they keep us updated with photos. Is it waterproof?

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Clearance for the pegs is good for the average lean on the bike for turns.

I guess I am still glad I got a refund when they were clearly not close to delivering in Q3 2021. The bike wasn't even finished being designed then. This is a good review except no mention of the range which would be very good to know with different weight riders and at different speeds. My round trip commute is 46 miles, but most of it is at 55mph with one freeway section of 65 which I could avoid if necessary. No regen and non removable battery makes it a non starter especially since it apparently can't use any public chargers if the only charger is the weighty brick you would need to carry. There is starting to be a good deal of competition in the sub $10k electric motors and some of them with comfortable seats and removable batteries are going to be top of list. Maybe Sondors will make different versions like he has with the bicycles. I have been happy with my bicycle and hoped they would do a great job with this. I am not really concerned with 0-60 times, just if it can do 60 and get me to and from work and I have doubts that there is enough range for a heavier person at 55mph

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yea, I respect your decision of not buying after all., seeing as this bike is not for everyone. As far as range, at the rate at which I was riding (combined sub 40mph and over 60mph) it would fall short of the promised 80miles, and be more like half of that for my weight. If you weight between 150 and 180, you could see more than 40 miles on a charge.

I might have missed it, but how did you go about getting it insured and plated for CA roads? No doubt that the bike is absolutely sexy looking. Reminds me of an EV version of the Vitpilen 401. Quite a looker!

Great review! I think I will wait for the S72 C1X. You didn't mention range, or did I miss it. I think the first thing I would change out is the seat! It looks like it would go right up your butt crack! With Trevor on it there definitely wasn't enough real estate. The main thing for comfort on a motorcycle seat is not so much how thick the padding is, but how wide the seat is and if it is wide enough to support your butt. How long does the bike maintain 70mph, and then what does it shut down to?

Great review, that's not good if the SPORT mode drop off after just a few miles, what's the sense in that, on my Varla scooter the two motors at full power run like a champ, I am 250lb and I need that extra power, I am in the second round for the Metacycle, I hope there is a fix or mod for this like ll the other electric bikes and scooter I have had and seen.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I agree. and Hopefully the second round is better!

Almost ordered one. Might still get one for my wife.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

She would def like it I think

Thanks for your opinions! I see this as a lightweight e-commuter capable of using the Interstates for short distances. I rode a banana seat that width all day as a child, butt most 'adults'' can't handle it. Saddle on my 740 lb Honda is made for adult butts, LOL. Most 'e-motorcycles' I've seen are massive in comparison as are their price tags! The Metacycle @ $6500 is pretty cool for what it is...

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree lol. Well said mate

@johnw65

Жыл бұрын

@@TrevorAgli Thanks MetaMan... I hear so many complaints, they get old. Without some kind of Technological breakthrough, e-bikes/e-motorcycles will never replace their gas powered counterparts. But, the way I see it, the Metacycle offers the most for the money! The bargains out there are few and far between.

@johnw65

Жыл бұрын

Is it possible to use a CVT drive on a mid-drive ebike? Chains are loud and they break. Transmissions are mechanical, heavy and expensive. CVT's are lightweight, cheap, quiet and seem like the perfect solution...?

I know there's gonna be at least ONE person out there who's come here to talk about how a whatever is cheaper and gets 100+ mpg.. But you buy this and a cheap ass solar set up (a couple of 300w panels..so probably a few hundred bones) and you're done paying for fuel for most days in your life 🤷 andddd you'll not be doing that whole, burning of things to make me go, thang too👌And THAT part is genuinely priceless.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I agree

The removal (by the owner) of the stock DOT approved brake light seems, less than ideal. I'm undecided on the aftermarket turn signals, as I don't believe I saw them activated even once. I will watch more closely on my next viewing. Visibility is key as stated in the video. I would prefer more brake lights not less. Perhaps a sleeker aftermarket DOT replacement brake light could be found.Thicker fluid in the brakes to eliminate brake noise? More likely some shims or anti-squeal compound would do the trick if a proper cleaning and bedding-in of the brakes does not. Overall I'm very pleased with this video review and am looking forward to your next.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Confirmed the aftermarket turn signals do work, perhaps not captured in the shots. The added brake lights definitely are liked by some and not others. I personally would remove it for aesthetics, but keep for safety's sake. Safer is better. Great input there mate!

When bro said the alarm is so quiet it’s quite alarming I spit out all my food 🤣

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Not many caught that lol!

Great review! We are about the same size so it looks like I may skip this one. I was wondering if I was going to look like I was on a bike that is too small lol. I think you summed it up perfectly..... "It's basically a scooter with a futuristic frame." They would be wise to release an XL version that is taller, wider and has a bigger battery.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! And it seems the Ryvid Anthem is in the same boat though... review coming out shortly

Doesn’t anybody see how useless the shock spring is? It’s not progressively wound, but, is a two stage winding. And the top part is already filly compressed even without a rider but is strikingly visible in your video. This wastes the spring and effectively reduces the suspension stoke in half. Why would they do this? A proper spring would cost the same.

@LordTimelord

Жыл бұрын

Myself being a heavy guy. I think as soon as I get my motorcycle I'm going to be contacting Race Tech about a custom shock and or fork set for the bike. That is if I decide to keep it after riding it for a bit.

Are you originally from the UK?

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yes I am. Accent pretty mixed since French is my primary language at that.

@SwitchUpYt

Жыл бұрын

@@TrevorAgli I can hear every now and then some solid London accent haha, you just have been there a LONG time though

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

lol yes was born there and returned for year 11 and 12, but ultimately lived in the French system the longest

This was a fabulous review. I’m miffed by Sondor’s not classifying the Metacycle properly. If they would’ve classified it as a scooter, it wouldn’t have received as much backlash. Hopefully, Sondor’s watches this review and takes notes, because they can only get better from it.

@crlla5782

Жыл бұрын

Isn't the Metacycle classified a motorcycle by it's designed, straddle style, riding position and not it's performance? Scooters usually have a step-thru and floorboard design, along with smaller diameter tires. Sure, it may be a low-performance motorcycle, but still a motorcycle.

I suspected roughness in the casting when it was revealed they'd be cast with green sand molds, the most cost-effective casting process. Better and lighter would have been ceramic shell, and the best of course would have been injection molding, very expensive to set up, and not worth it for an initial run like this. I don't know what kind of numbers would make it worthwhile, but would guess it would need to be well over 30K frames.

how many miles of range did you get at what speeds? Will this be a good and safe beginner bike? (First time rider?)

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yes it will be a great beginner bike, honestly. As far as range, at the rate at which I was riding (combined sub 40mph and over 60mph) it would fall short of the promised 80miles, and be more like half of that for my weight. If you weight between 150 and 180, you could see more than 40 miles on a charge.

So do you own a Meta? Good Vid. I ordered one last week.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes I actually do! and may own an Anthem next! Hold out of you ordered yours; it is a good deal. Also, make sure to contact Sondors about the super deal they had earlier which can get you on a metacycle for $4000 only.

@JustLikeParadise

Жыл бұрын

@@TrevorAgli I got the deal.

Thanks for the review. I'm about your size and still not sure. It just might be too small. I would feel a little better at $5000.

There's a PDF manual available in the owners portal. I'm going to change those awful looking footpegs on mine as well as instal the same fly screen. Plus a LOUD horn.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I feel ya on the loud horn

Well, it would be nice if I had a chance to review my Metacycle! Since it has been paid for since LAST OCTOBER! But I guess I’ll just have to take what revues I can get.

Since 0-60 is out the window, and this isn't really highway suitable after all... what's the 0-40 like? Does it get up to speed for major neighborhood roads alright? Typically 40-50 mph around me.

@Ambiguousaxolotl

Жыл бұрын

for that speed im thinking about getting one from fly-ebike, imported chinese generic motorcycles but a bit cheaper then metacycle

I’m glad to hear you like it. I was going to buy a Zero but held off when Sondors contacted me about the Metacycle. I currently ride a SurRon and was looking forward to the relatively light 200# advertised weight. It’ll probably do all I need, just won’t be as much fun as I had hoped. And it sounds like I’ll be able to get my money out of it and buy the Zero if I’m not satisfied. Again, it’ll probably do everything I need, thanks.

electric motors will have 100% torque at 0 mph, but at 60 it has maybe 5 % torque. so at take off it goes fast, but at higher speeds it will take time to get to top speed.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Well said

Did the $700 “white glove” delivery cost include taxes? Or did the owner have to pay taxes to the DMV after receiving the Metacycle.

i wanna see that anthem vid :) all in all ...if i had the cheddar right now , and it was easily available ....i'd still buy the saunders ....im looking for exactly this , a commuter bike for work ...would fill this niche really well.. any who , lets just wait tile we see the rivid ...or the super73 cycle coming out next year ..

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Will release a video this week for sure, whether a shorter one or the full review.

After 15 years driving bikes (from 125cc to 300cc) I had to move to a Piaggio tricycle for safety reason -and to save my marriage after my last fall in 2021. The tricycle is enormously safe but soooo boring (I use it almost every day). I'm thinking about this EB to make my Sunday rides a bit funnier but I'm also big and heavy, 50+ and I live on a 5th floor in the center of my city (and there is 1 EV charger per 500.000 inhabitants here in Madrid, not joking). I will probably give it a try despite the charging issue but not commute -respect from cars and buses is almost zero here, you need a big moto. Just for fun on a sunny day. Thanks for the great video, very complete, just missing the real range at full battery.

Even though the 0 to 60 time took about 16 to 17 seconds, did it still feel fast due to the bike frame structure of the metacycle?

@slimdunkin117

Жыл бұрын

It was half of that with the 150lb rider..this guy is 250lbs that’s quite heavy

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Felt silent and acceptably fast. But not at all superbike fast. If you get what I mean

What visor is on the bike?

Has anyone done a real range test on the sondors meta cycle yet? How's far can you go on a single charge

@Kay0Bot

Жыл бұрын

It's like they are an NDA for range! I guess it's not comfortable enough to do a range test

Should jave been made with a mid drive motor. For the same watts, you would have much faster take off and triple the torque.

Alarm is so low it’s alarming Sondors: Success!!

WHICH DRONE YOU ARE USING? ITS INCREDIBLE

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it! It's a Mavic Air 2. DJI is killing it

Why do I get a Christopher Walken vibe on the narration?

wonder how much work it would take to attach led lights to it so you had a tron bike

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Probably not that much work for the amount of satisfaction

How much was registration fees for this bike ?

You said the battery get lose as u take it on/off,, what gets lose? The treads on the bike or the screws themselves are cheap? Are the lights bright during the day N night? Can you take off that ugly license plate bracket and hang it under the seat instead?

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yea the threads will get loose. The lights are definitely bright during the day. Better at night. No problem there. Plate location customizable honestly to one's liking after delivery.

that slow zero to 60 is a deal breaker for me

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

The fact that you can't see the display in broad daylight is a massive deal breaker, and if I'm being quite honest, quite dangerous.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

That’s a good pointer, it seems to be visible IRL, just not enough when recorded

So glad i got my refund...promised things that they did not deliver...going to purchase a ONYX RCR which has more torque

72V is just way to low for a motorcycle motor. They need high voltage 400-900V design. There is too much current, along with it heat lossses, to sustain high power output. It also brings with it added weight and cost due to more copper for heavier gauge wiring. I'm hopeful that the Fuell Fllow will do it right.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

That bike does look so sleek.

@slimdunkin117

Жыл бұрын

72v is fine for these speeds u just need an air cooling design

If you notice when he does the 0 to 60 speed test it's not is sport mode you can see it off on the display

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yea, there's an S when in sports mode. Sports mode turns off after it seems 2 mins is what latest tests show.

What was the range?

How long was delivery

I feel like it needs 1 or 2 generations of designing to really come into its own. There are just too many ice motorcycles and scooters that accomplish the same thing and not enough to set this apart unless you really want something out of the box, different. At least its not Vaporware even though.

The reviews are good. But I can't afford to buy it. If I give it as a gift, it will be enough.

I'm a skinny dude and that seat looks DUMMY small to me like it was designed for the rider to quit from discomfort before the battery dies. Well done on the video!

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Lol thanks for the feedback. And yea, man they missed the mark on the seat… third party modders to the rescue

I think $5,000 is the only good price for the Metacycle. It's basically a slightly upgraded Onyx but even the Onyx has regen braking and a better 0 to 60 time.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Good argument

What type of motor is in the rear wheel?❓

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

They have all that info on their site sondorsx.com Not sure whether the stats on the site are the final delivery ones.

I had a reservation but cancelled it. Glad I did seeing the reviews. 0-60 time is unacceptable. You can buy a Z400 or MT03 for around $5,000 and get sooo much more for your money and 70 mpg.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

It’s definitely not for everyone. Lighter, thinner folks would love the Meta

really only thing I don’t like is the suspension, I was really hoping it was adjustable

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yea. Unfortunate.

Pretty informative review, BUT you didn't touch on range???

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Range is a bit complicated of a topic for this. But the nutshell is: As far as range, at the rate at which I was riding (combined sub 40mph and over 60mph) it would fall short of the promised 80miles, and be more like half of that for my weight. If you weight between 150 and 180, you could see more than 40 miles on a charge.

@RPRosen-ki2fk

Жыл бұрын

@@TrevorAgli Thank you for the update. I like your style, you present things as they are plain & simple ... no BS.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

@@RPRosen-ki2fk I appreciate it!

Your riding in my neighborhood I have an Onyx and a bunch of other bikes and I'm waiting for my delivery day. Can I please see it I'm available anytime.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Hey, Next time I come around I'll let you know!

why do they make the seat so thin

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Prob a habit from being an ebike company originally. Sure they’ll learn from this first round.

I don't understsndvthis battery capacity, somthing must be mistaken, I have around 2kw in my ebike and it is already a huge brick.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

The Metacycle and the anthem will both suffer from lower performance than the likes of zero and livewire

What's the range on this bike?

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

As far as range, at the rate at which I was riding (combined sub 40mph and over 60mph) it would fall short of the promised 80miles, and be more like half of that for my weight. If you weight between 150 and 180, you could see more than 40 miles on a charge.

I’m so glad I canceled even tho I still didn’t received my money back, it’s being 10 business days already guess Thursday I will give them another call

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Man, it's a bit sad to realize it's not for everyone. Some will love it. Other just will not.

@xavi5898

Жыл бұрын

@@TrevorAgli i agree with that, specially when the company LIES and take away features that was part of a group of people that was supposed to be part of it, anyone over 200 lbs won’t have a good time on this, it WONT get the speed limit that was said, it WONT do the promised range neither, plus range, plus removable battery, plus bad finishes, plus difference in colors and the most important STILL behind delivery.

Looks like a motorcycle to me. It has footpegs and you have to stradle it. If it has a deck in the center then it's a scooter.

@Diap842IV

Жыл бұрын

But it’s “twist and go” with dual hand brakes…just like my Vespa 250…and with similar acceleration and top speeds. But yes, it LOOKS like a motorcycle and probably handles better than a Vespa but at least where I live I can get professional service with any part I need. That’s important to me.

It’s cool to hear christopher walken voicing this over.

it's hard to believe a different casting techniques would have saved 100lbs?? as a 6'1 200lbs rider with motorcycle experience mostly on ~40hp 600-650cc singles, 70-80mph top speed is ok but somewhere 10-16s 0-60 sound too slow

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

True, the different methods have varying prices, more expensive for more precise and lighter results.

They should have just put pedals on it and sold it as a high powered ebike/moped like onyx RCR instead of an extremely low powered motorcycle. I would have liked one if that was the case but to use it as a motorcycle… seems like kind of a joke

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I think they poorly tested the bike vis-a-vis a large chunk of their target audience.

It was better when it was vaporware.

@moquiti

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, it was awesome.

Injection moulding an aluminum frame? You are talking about polymers not metals. You started talking about casting which is accurate as is forging another process for manufacturing a metal frame, but not injection moulding which doesnt apply to large metal pieces like frames

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Hey mate, I didn’t make it obvious but I was comparing it to the next bike I was going to compare it to, which is the Ryvid Anthem. The Anthem has injections molded plastic parts.

It's not designed for abnormal loads.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

If the majority of their buyers’ weight is what you consider abnormal then… welp.

Sport mode lasts for 120 secs, then turns off 😌

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yea, seems that way for sure

With so many delays and issues, I would recommend DON'T BUY yet. Sondors need to show strength in delivering these motorcycles. They are taking people's money and not committing to delivery dates. This is a VERY HIGH RISK purchase. Delivering 1 or 2 a week is just a marketing stunt!

@xavierjeannis

Жыл бұрын

What shipment cycle are you in?

@WirelessDevelopment

Жыл бұрын

@@xavierjeannis I am in round 2. I believe I am an early entry in round 2. I missed round 1 by a month. That's the other thing anything now is considered round 2, nobody knows how many!

Thanks for the review. I have to say I am incredibly disappointed. Maybe not enough to ask for a refund, but seriously disappointed. The acceleration time might have been decent with a bigger person if the bike had made the original claimed weight. This is where it all went sideways. Curious to see what the real world range comes out to be. This really is more of a scooter than anything at these performance levels. By the looks of it I think my little CSC City Slicker will take it to 45 mph. All I can hope for is some people come up with some mods that VASTLY improve its performance. I'll ride it for a while and if I really hate it just sell it. I have a higher end electric motorcycle but I was hoping this might be a good commuter for me. The anemic acceleration might crush that idea though.

@Ambiguousaxolotl

Жыл бұрын

check out fly ebike, they have a dealership in my state and seem to be legal/registerable, they have some new emotors that look more stylish than previous lineup and seem to be cheaper, right now theyre preorder and ill want to wait to buy one until they have them in stock to do test drives

@wavshrdr8452

Жыл бұрын

@@Ambiguousaxolotl I looked at them before but the highest top speed I saw was about 45 mph. Am I missing something?

@Ambiguousaxolotl

Жыл бұрын

@@wavshrdr8452 theyre called the tc spoke and max basically theyre super socos with different branding think top speed was 60mph not built yet but on preorder might wait to buy one till i can see it at the dealership in houston

That’s a slow ass bike for $6500! See the problem with trying to make a bike that’s a hybrid between bicycle and motorcycle is that most people would rather pay that kind of money for a motorcycle rather that an amped up ebike.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Yea. This won't be for everyone.

I want my $100 deposit back!

Is the seat out of alignment or is it the camera angle. Looks like your left butt cheek is hanging off the left side of the seat, less cheek on the right. I put my $500 down on one, but am starting to wonder if I will actually get it at any time soon.

Thank you I am so glad I decided not to buy it

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Glad I could help with your decision. It is a great scooter, but it is not for everyone.

Not what Sondors promised when taking $5000- deposits from customers. Sondors has a reputation of lying about it's products

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

No not at all... Wish they did though. They're starting to ship out the metas more frequently. And owners who took delivery seem to like it for what it is now that they know what to expect through videos like this

Glad it isn’t phantomware but also glad I didn’t order this hype. So many broken promises by Sondors!

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Hit or miss with the Meta for people. Some are actually happy with it now that they know what to expect. Sondors should have communicated better period.

Sorry but so far not ONE person has given an HONEST city riding Range PER CHARGE . Due to these issues, I hope this bike is never sold in the UK.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

As far as range, at the rate at which I was riding (combined sub 40mph and over 60mph) it would fall short of the promised 80miles, and be more like half of that for my weight. If you weight between 150 and 180, you could see more than 40 miles on a charge.

@Diap842IV

Жыл бұрын

Here’s what I know from experience with a Zero SR with 11.5 kWh battery.: when new it used up 1% every 7/10th of a mile at 70mph…which figures out to be 70 miles. At +/- 45mph it could go 1.2 miles on 1%, or 120 miles. I weigh 180 lbs and the bike weighed 400 lbs. Unless that hub motor is far more efficient, with only a 4 kWh battery I’d expect 25 miles at 70 and 42 miles at 45. Nothing scientific here, just noting that 4 kWH is only 34% of 11.5 kWH.

That 0-60 time is pretty bad

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

For a motorcycle yea. For a scooter.... yea...

Brake fluid is not like motor oil. You don't get to choose your favorite viscosity, and no, changing to a different brake fluid is not a way to overcome a noisy master cylinder. Bad conjecture/advice there.

@TrevorAgli

Жыл бұрын

Interesting view, the owner of that Meta seemed pretty knowledgeable and has been riding for ages. That was his statement