So You Think It Needs A Starter....

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

In this video I have a look at a customer's 2006 Honda Accord that was towed in with a no crank condition. You can hear the starter solenoid clicking as soon as you turn the key and visual inspection everything looks good and the battery is new. Sounds like a classic case of the bad starter to me. Or is it....
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  • @davedubriske9939
    @davedubriske99393 күн бұрын

    I would have pulled and replaced the starter, put it all back together, tried starting it, click, click, clik, yelled the F word and thrown a wrench across the garage. Thanks for the lesson.

  • @mattflammger4396

    @mattflammger4396

    3 күн бұрын

    Yup, and then back to advance auto parts to give them their POS non-functional starter back to them

  • @harrywalker968

    @harrywalker968

    3 күн бұрын

    first, check fuses, next, check remove clean all terminal ends, 3 rd, chuck wobly.. back in 1973, i learnt, cables, earths, corrode. so now i paint, grease, oil, protect them..posative earth cars were better.. 1800,s.

  • @KStewart-th4sk

    @KStewart-th4sk

    3 күн бұрын

    LOL I am extremely accomplished at the last two, except i get well beyond the "f" word when i get up on step.

  • @snoopdogie187

    @snoopdogie187

    3 күн бұрын

    I first checked if I was getting power to the starter (obvious if you are hearing clicking though), then I might use jumper cables from the battery to the starter and see if it functions. This is more diy though, but a quick test of the starter. If it works, you know to look else where. You know the signal wire is good with the clicking, so really its battery, battery connection, or wiring.

  • @user-vj8fk9pn2z

    @user-vj8fk9pn2z

    2 күн бұрын

    Yep and then bought another new starter…….

  • @soccertl
    @soccertl3 күн бұрын

    That voltage drop test was awesome. Never did that before. Like they say, never too old to learn something new, even at 65.

  • @scientist100

    @scientist100

    3 күн бұрын

    That's is what is taught nowadays by instructors like ScannerDanner.

  • @SirHeadly84

    @SirHeadly84

    Күн бұрын

    65? You're just a damn kid!😂 I'm coming up behind you, fast! I'm turning 40 in December and I'm still learning and trying to retain a lot if information. My father who just turned 65 once told me about working with drywall compound that if you can't get it right, the hell with it. Get out of it. Let it dry. Cone back tomorrow and sand it, and hit it again. I remembered that as I was doing some drywall in my own house. There is a lesson in that for all of us in all aspects though. It's that in our obsession to get it done or to make it look the best today or succeed TODAY, sometimes it is best to just say "the hell with it" and take a step back, or just take a break until tomorrow when we are rested and/or refreshed and ready to give it another shot. Sometimes doing nothing is the best course of action. Might seem counter intuitive. But if you're making mistakes and getting frustrated today, you're work is going to suffer until you are ready to focus and do your best again.

  • @65bugnut
    @65bugnut3 күн бұрын

    I remember a wise man who once said, "plan your work, and work the plan". Thanks for showing this. Don't jump to conclusions.

  • @CaptainRon1913

    @CaptainRon1913

    3 күн бұрын

    Thats what Eric just got through saying, Thanks for repeating. You got 5 clicks from it

  • @chrissmithz314
    @chrissmithz3143 күн бұрын

    For some reason I'm really hoping for a part 2, even though it wouldn't be anything super exciting, I know.

  • @MajorMokoto

    @MajorMokoto

    3 күн бұрын

    Part II would be if the starter was also bad. Hope Eric checked it out before calling the customer and quoting just bad wires.

  • @donaldnye2890

    @donaldnye2890

    3 күн бұрын

    @@MajorMokoto yes a bad starter could have smoked a weak connection.

  • @milesmahan

    @milesmahan

    3 күн бұрын

    How hot does a Banchee get?!?

  • @Tengs27

    @Tengs27

    3 күн бұрын

    Part 2 would be a junkyard special.

  • @robertsmith2956

    @robertsmith2956

    3 күн бұрын

    I don't think I have seen him use the big crimping tool on battery cables before.

  • @ronaldbrosius7488
    @ronaldbrosius74883 күн бұрын

    Anyone on here that says they would have checked that before is full of crap!! They would have checked it after they put a new starter in, when that didn't work 😂

  • @tomtke7351

    @tomtke7351

    3 күн бұрын

    But... A N Y M O R E .... auto repair REQUIRES definitive DIAGNOSIS...

  • @sometimesleela5947

    @sometimesleela5947

    3 күн бұрын

    The REAL finger of shame needs to get pointed at whoever designed it so the intake needs to be removed to get to it.

  • @Tedybear315

    @Tedybear315

    3 күн бұрын

    And as Matthew S. said... "It needed it anyway.........................." after pi&&ing away several hundred bucks on a not-needed starter.

  • @TEDodd

    @TEDodd

    3 күн бұрын

    ​@@tomtke7351good luck finding that. 99% of repair shops, including dealer shops, just swap the parts the code says is bad. Minimal diagnosis or testing done. Starter clicks? Battery charged? If yes must be the starter. Didn't fix it oh well, the customer still, pays for it. What next? Battery? Ground cable? You'll be $1000 in before they check the positive cable.

  • @blake8297

    @blake8297

    3 күн бұрын

    I would…. But only b/c Ive been watching Eric O for many years. Dude has taught me a lot

  • @MrPerry61
    @MrPerry613 күн бұрын

    I changed a starter on a 78 Pont Catalina in the snow, because I thought it was bad. didn't fix it. Towed to a local shop, he called before I got home, it was the ground cable. charged me $15, I was very happy with his work.

  • @peterhodgkins6985
    @peterhodgkins69853 күн бұрын

    The sad part is that there are any number of shops out there who'd throw a starter on it, discover the corroded cable, and then charge the customer for both 'repairs'. Customer would get a substandard starter and shade tree cables... At a premium price of course!. It's always a kick to watch a real technician at work!

  • @gregcomeau4632

    @gregcomeau4632

    2 күн бұрын

    My dad taught electrical diagnosis in the army.he said to always check the source of power first.

  • @s.j.5850
    @s.j.58503 күн бұрын

    There was one time I was helping out a fellow traveler on the road because their car would not start. I swapped out the battery (either one I had in the trunk, or the one in my car - for definitive diagnosis purposes) & cleaned (battery wire brush) the battery terminals & cables and the car started. I popped their battery back into their car & it started right up. All that was to say that the corrosion between the battery posts & cables caused enough resistance to prevent the car from starting. Ever since then I am always suspicious of battery to starter connections as a source of high resistance. Nowadays I carry a meter in the car!

  • @eltonyancey6426

    @eltonyancey6426

    3 күн бұрын

    Good idea.

  • @dav1dsm1th
    @dav1dsm1th3 күн бұрын

    I was expecting "This cable is hot, but not as hot as Mrs O." Thanks for the videos. Stay safe out there.

  • @RJJ6129
    @RJJ61293 күн бұрын

    “Who let the Smoke out”….Eric O!😂

  • @landontesar3070

    @landontesar3070

    3 күн бұрын

    white smoke or black smoke?

  • @BrianS_IN
    @BrianS_IN3 күн бұрын

    Love it when you see the magic smoke out of the cable!

  • @ronallen6578

    @ronallen6578

    3 күн бұрын

    The smoke test was the final straw😢😢

  • @rickn8or

    @rickn8or

    3 күн бұрын

    Starters won't work if you let the smoke out of them.

  • @brnmcc01

    @brnmcc01

    2 күн бұрын

    @@rickn8or Cables don't work too well when they're full of the green crusties too! There's your problem lady :)

  • @hahaha12345678993
    @hahaha123456789933 күн бұрын

    sometimes you wonder how hot a banshee might be for something to be hotter than it

  • @spelunkerd
    @spelunkerd2 күн бұрын

    I love the way you showed how to do active drop testing even when you don't want to turn the key when intake is off. The common excuse by pros is that it is too much trouble to do drop testing when you can't get at the terminals without major surgery. Once they do that, they feel committed. Time and again you show how drop testing doesn't need to be a time waster, you do it quickly and efficiently. The trick is to select a few quick, reliable screening tests and move on with your day if those tests check out.

  • @PK15306
    @PK153063 күн бұрын

    Mr. O shows us that sometimes letting the smoke out of the wire helps speed up the troubleshooting. Great video.

  • @DriftingDragon74
    @DriftingDragon743 күн бұрын

    That era hondooo is the only manufacturer that still made a starter with very easily replaceable brushes for $13. Typical telltale sign that brushes are going bad is excessive current draw when starting. It makes it seem as if the battery is weaknor going bad because if you put a jump pack on it will seem to crank normal because you've basically doubled the cranking amps available to the starter.

  • @waltersweet4595
    @waltersweet45953 күн бұрын

    My brother in law recently had nothing when he turned the key on a 2008 F150 5.4. He told me that the starter was a few months old and the battery was good. I told him not to assume either was good. I also told him to test before buying because it is stupid to put out $300 for a starter when it doesn’t fix the issue. He put a new starter on and it still did the same. I told him he could have a bad negative cable. He said it “looked good”. (You can imagine what I said). I talked him through a voltmeter and test light test and indeed it was the negative cable. He ordered a new one and his 18 year old son installed it. Fired right up after cable install.

  • @fixerofthings

    @fixerofthings

    2 күн бұрын

    An 18 year old son is one of the best tools you'll ever have.

  • @stevenjames3242

    @stevenjames3242

    Күн бұрын

    @@fixerofthings HAHA YEP! They still have a back and legs that operate!

  • @ghall05
    @ghall053 күн бұрын

    For everyone crapping on mechanics who have mistakenly replaced starters in the past, MOST of the time, it is an intermittent fault. It’s easy enough to diagnose properly when then starter has failed completely, but try it when it only fails once every 3rd Sunday when the old lady is trying to go to church.

  • @COBRO98

    @COBRO98

    Күн бұрын

    Facts, people are way too hard on mechanics when it takes a special kind of person to even be one.

  • @1djbecker

    @1djbecker

    Күн бұрын

    I know that the standards for my repairs are different that a paid mechanic. A paid mechanic has to fix the failing part every time, or at least most of the time. Come-backs are costly for the customer and the shop, even if it only to the shop's reputation. Replacing serviceable but worn parts both makes the shop money and avoids unrelated/coincidental failures. For failure-averse customers it's arguably money well spent.

  • @athletikonaol
    @athletikonaol3 күн бұрын

    I'm not a particularly skilled mechanic, but I had a situation like this.... and if you are in the dark, the corroded spot will light right up so you can see it.

  • @ellesmerewildwood4858
    @ellesmerewildwood48582 күн бұрын

    You are one the very few honest-to-a-fault mechanics out there who will take responsibility for a misdiagnosis and wear the cost of a new starter. (although that's very rare at SMA) We all know that often, especially dealerships, just shoot the parts canon at a car and charge through the nose for each part. (and that car often ends up at Eric's place)

  • @brianhind6149
    @brianhind61492 күн бұрын

    Eric....as a lifetime electronics troubleshooter, I often smile at some of your explanations. Certainly not the way I would explain it, but you are demonstrating techniques to people watching you troubleshoot. Your explanations are excellent. When I have been called upon to teach people techniques, I am talking to folks who have an in depth understanding of the circuitry involved. My explanations would only serve to confuse your followers. I have watched your videos since day one, & I am always intrigued by your explanations , that are just as if we were all standing beside you. My God ! You provide intensive learning for your followers, without sounding like a college professor, or like some of the nitwits that I have come across that have NO idea what they are talking about. Ivan & Scanner Danner are also good, but Scanner Danner speaks too rapidly , & occasionally misses a link in the diagnosis. I mean that he omits a link in the diagnosis chain that is of no consequence to people who have electrical knowledge, but may be confusing to those who are just starting to learn. This is an observation , NOT a criticism ! Further, it is not a regular event in his explanations. Eric, technical schools need people like yourself & your colleagues to bring their students to your & your colleagues level of expertise. Carry on Sir.... first class trouble shooting techniques await your followers. Cheers! from the wind swept Prairies of Alberta Canada.

  • @frankmuschetto3385
    @frankmuschetto33853 күн бұрын

    Picture worth a thousand words, or in this case, a video. You've coached us on the value of doing voltage drop tests and this is indisputable evidence of why it's important. Thanks for bringing us along. Part 2?

  • @bensmith6051
    @bensmith60512 күн бұрын

    Fun fact: On those K24 hondoo motors, you can actually pull the starter mounting bolts and drop the starter down from underneath the motor. Then remove the solenoid wires. Saves a ton of time by not having to remove the intake plenum. It’s less of a PITA, in my experience. Great diagnostic video!

  • @garyalford9394
    @garyalford93943 күн бұрын

    You are so right Eric I would of blamed the starter !!

  • @lotsaofdot
    @lotsaofdot3 күн бұрын

    That bit making it smoke was the best lol of the day

  • @johnpereira822
    @johnpereira8223 күн бұрын

    I thought for sure it was the starter but guess that’s why you do other test. Good job as always Mr O

  • @jimhaines8370
    @jimhaines83703 күн бұрын

    We do put a ton of starters on Hondas and Toyotas but those braided ground straps on Hondas also do fall apart in our rusty areas anyway besides all the regular stuff like what happened in todays video but also don’t know why people do such poor wire and cable repairs as they cause so many problems down the road and sometimes not far down the road

  • @firstielasty1162

    @firstielasty1162

    3 күн бұрын

    I find that on toyotas, the usual starter problem is the "L" shaped contacts in the solenoid. I made some from some copper parts in about 1990, and told my friend at the dealer, who thought that was funny cause toyota sells them separately, and cheap. Now, they are even cheaper on Amazon. It's like $7 to fix them, and very easy. Honda starters, however, seem to go through brushes.

  • @oliver_klozoff

    @oliver_klozoff

    2 күн бұрын

    Exactly. I've had people look at me strange when I take an hour just replacing terminal ends with copper lugs and marine terminals instead of the cheap garbage that would actually get me back on the road in 10 minutes. If you're going to do it do it right and don't have to do it again. Between the heat shrink, crimping copper terminal, and then filling the remainder of it with solder I've never had one fail.

  • @roycauthern6463
    @roycauthern64633 күн бұрын

    If you work backwards and sideways like some of the techs today you’d start at the terminal and cut open a harness just to find everything ok and you needed a starter… 😂

  • @dennisdesenberg7988

    @dennisdesenberg7988

    2 күн бұрын

    Too true! Worked across the shop from a new hire used car mechanic. We were busy so the Serv. Mgr. gave him a 3500 mile new vehicle to diagnose - the customers stated they lived on a farm. He and a few techs helped push it in. He hooked up the Star Scanner and had 2 faults / 1 Powertrain CM no data buss/ 1 Transmission CM no data buss. He went to the Ser. Mgr. told him what he found and it needed both modules. Car sat for 10 days before getting the modules. He installed - same problem - no crank no start. Serv. Mgr. came to me and asked if I could go over and help the mech. S.M. stated he just put $2000 worth of parts on the car and where we stood. Went over with the vehicle wiring diagrams manual and a multimeter. Located where the harness was going from the PCM and TCM. PCM was mounted to L/F inner metal. Took off from there! Looked behind the battery - flexible wiring loom wrap was chewed. Removed the battery, opened the wrap and pulled the 2 twisted wired (Data Buss communication). Saw the bite marks on the wires and pulled the 2 wires apart to find the Buss wire 16 gauge negative wire had peen pushed thru its insulator and thru the Buss wire positive wire insulator and shorted the 2 circuits. Don’t know what bit into the wires - never saw anything like it before. I fixed the wires using Western Union wire splice, solder and 2 - 2 inch heat shrink tubes with sealer. Replaced the loom wrap. Installed the battery. Reached in hit the key - started right up. Shift thru the gears - all working! S.M. made the Mech. remove the 2 new modules and return them to parts and put the customers modules back in. Started right up! Customer picked up the car. Eric O. is one of the best at diagnosing wiring issues - he is methodical. Some of these new mechanics are mostly parts replacers. They need help - if I wouldn’t have been covered up with my own work - none of this would have happened.

  • @russellstephan6844
    @russellstephan68443 күн бұрын

    Within the last couple of weeks, I replaced the alternator in a 1993 Chevy C1500. The original alternator was a two-wire. One wire was for the positive output of the alternator. The other small-gauge wire was the alternator's primary coil exciter feed from the idiot light on the dashboard. Replacement alternator #1 works for fifteen minutes before going dark and back to battery voltage. Same thing with replacement alternator #2 and #3. What? For #4 I go all nuts with voltage drop testing. I test each and every segment of grounding cable and positive starter and alternator cable. It all checks out. Finally, after a butt ton of Internet research, I find a data sheet for replacement alternators that states, "The primary coil wire should not exceed 1.0 amps." Well, mine is up around 1.5 amps. And this is with the old-school incandescent dash idiot light in the mix already. I source a selection of big 10 watt resistors to get the current for the exciter wire down to below 1.0 amps. And with everything set up with alligator clip leads, I take off to the auto parts store to walk them through the setup so if I fry alternator #4, they were participants. Standing there in front of the engine bay, the kid clerk asks me about the condition of the cables. I state I voltage drop tested all of them. He gets this funny look in his eye. So, I do a parking lot electrical clinic concerning voltage drop testing with a multimeter for the kid. Boy! Did his eyes light up! I told him, "You master voltage drop testing, and you'll be able to solve 90% of all electrical problems. With my add-on resistor in the alternator's primary coil exciter feed, the truck idled in the parts store's parking lot for an hour without blowing alternator #4. The current on the exciter wire was down to 0.2 amps. I'm currently 2,000 miles away from home. The 0.2 amps is too low for the battery idiot light in the dash to illuminate. This will be fine for the drive home. I'll just need to keep an eye on the dash volt meter. Once home, I'll use a 4-decade variable resistance box to dial in the necessary resistor to keep the primary exciter circuit as low as possible and still have the dash idiot light illuminate.

  • @TEDodd

    @TEDodd

    3 күн бұрын

    1.5A? That's 20W. The dash bulb shouldn't be that high. 1.5-2W. Either the bulb (not sure how) is wrong or there is some other problem. 0.2A is ~2.5W which would be really. Right even for the right bulb.

  • @TheBenjammin

    @TheBenjammin

    3 күн бұрын

    What was the point to that story?

  • @russellstephan6844

    @russellstephan6844

    3 күн бұрын

    @@TheBenjammin The importance of voltage drop testing... The issues with the alternators wasn't that they were being overworked with bad resistance-loaded power and ground cables.

  • @russellstephan6844

    @russellstephan6844

    3 күн бұрын

    @@TEDodd I agree. But, until I get back home and have the time and the tools to dig into it further, it remains what it is... Short-to-power somewhere in the dash? Gonna take some more investigation, for sure, once home.

  • @TEDodd

    @TEDodd

    2 күн бұрын

    @@russellstephan6844 I'd be inclined to just disconnect the bulb and it's wires completely then. Something that broken could cause other problems. It's not working as a warning light anyway. Connect the excitation wire to the batt terminal, basic 1 wire configuration.

  • @bearing_aficionado
    @bearing_aficionado3 күн бұрын

    I'm so early this Honda Accord had no issues starting.😂

  • @wolveric0
    @wolveric02 күн бұрын

    i would have burn through 2 starters before getting to the battery terminals, not anymore thanks to you MR O, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.

  • @tuf86sami
    @tuf86sami2 күн бұрын

    My electrical diagnostics has improved greatly from watching your videos. Thanks for the lessons in proper diag

  • @billcunningham8485
    @billcunningham84852 күн бұрын

    I have a 2003 Element with the same engine. Had a bad original starter after 10 years and 150K… shop replaced the starter with an aftermarket… which was bad out of the box. The shop did NOT pull the intake when they needed to replace the starter again the next day… doing that they destroyed the wiring harness to the knock sensor which is also right there. Didn’t tell me about that damage. A few years later when I needed yet another starter as the aftermarket one was dead my new non dealer Honda mechanic needed to call in a few favors to get a full harness to splice in the correct wires and connectors into the knock sensor. With time and corrosion it was throwing codes… fixed now with a Honda OEM starter. 211,000 miles on my 21 year old Element. Still love it. Best car I have ever owned.

  • @BellaRocko
    @BellaRocko3 күн бұрын

    This was very interesting and informative. I never would have thought of checking for voltage drop first! I've replaced many starters and was lucky to fall within that 95% chance odds. Thanks for sharing this, Eric!

  • @jeremyah78
    @jeremyah783 күн бұрын

    That starter in that location with that symptom.... THAT would of caught a lot of folks... including me... and I troubleshoot multiple cars a day, taking pride in being spot on! Thanks for keeping us sharp Eric!

  • @Shododaan
    @Shododaan3 күн бұрын

    I'm happy that you have done another basic electronics analysis and brought us in to watch it progress. Great work Eric!

  • @niallcosgrove5596
    @niallcosgrove5596Күн бұрын

    After about 3+ years of learning this from channels such as soutmain Auto scanner Dan western truck & tractor repair. Knowledge is power thanks to channels like this. Much appreciated

  • @Friend_of_the_One-Eyed_Ladies
    @Friend_of_the_One-Eyed_Ladies2 күн бұрын

    Show of hands, who keeps a meter in their vehicle at all times? 🖐

  • @danhnguyen-fn9eb
    @danhnguyen-fn9eb2 күн бұрын

    Good find and demonstration. Plus, you saved the customer lots of money. That's worth the price of admission and why these vids of yours are so important.

  • @MrD1maS
    @MrD1maS3 күн бұрын

    Thank you for the tip. That is a very good example of a huge voltage drop.

  • @andreim841
    @andreim8413 күн бұрын

    Ohh noo...even it is one minute past midnight now I have to stay up and enjoy this SMA :D

  • @KStewart-th4sk
    @KStewart-th4sk3 күн бұрын

    Aww! I thought i was going to see soldering on a new battery terminal, a process that always brings out the critical experts on soldering.

  • @b1gsteve251
    @b1gsteve2512 күн бұрын

    I would’ve immediately checked the blinker fluid level. This is why I watch Eric!

  • @davidjones8680
    @davidjones86802 күн бұрын

    I learnt this exact lesson at the age of 15, it was May 1st 1972, and the very first day of my official employment at the garage of a local haulage company after leaving school. The truck we were to fix was a 4 year old Ford D Series, it presented all the signs of a bad starter motor. However, before we dived in to fit new parts, the old school mechanic I was working under did a voltage drop test. Sure enough we found a full 12 volts where there should have been none. Turned out to be a poor connection on the common earth point on the chassis, this was hidden away right behind the battery. After a through cleaning, and replacing a corroded cable connection the truck fired right up. That "voltage drop lesson" stuck with me throughout my 53 years with the same company, and I myself have taught it to many new apprentice mechanics, and many an old one too. I'm retired now, but the company still owns that same old 1969 Ford D Series, it was the companies very first 'brand new' truck. Many thanks. David in the UK.

  • @duanedelestienne2997
    @duanedelestienne29972 күн бұрын

    Experience and knowledge will always prevail. Nice to have the thought process explained.

  • @jorgefernandez-mv8hu
    @jorgefernandez-mv8hu2 күн бұрын

    You are the man of the hour! Thanks for the great tip! I have replaced a starter only to find that it was the cable that was rotten. You are so right.

  • @rogerrambit4447
    @rogerrambit44472 күн бұрын

    I always enjoy watching your troubleshooting videos which has helped me to find some crusty wires/cables. Thanks for sharing and stay blessed

  • @mikerobbins5049
    @mikerobbins50492 күн бұрын

    Thanks again Eric for teaching all of us DA’s out here how to do something properly. I, like several others people in the comment section, would have changed that starter only to find out I was wrong…. Not that I’m gonna be changing a starter on a Honda or anything for that matter. I still change my own oil and brakes but that’s about it. I’m getting to old to do that stuff……

  • @JLange642
    @JLange6423 күн бұрын

    Eric has learned- ALWAYS pay heed to that little voice in your head when it starts telling you something! It is your subconscious trying to save you from your EGO! Another great video Eric!

  • @samuelgallino7894
    @samuelgallino7894Күн бұрын

    Love your videos, Eric! Long time viewer. You remind me so much of myself, I appreciate your dedication to proper diagnosis in every scenario - no excuses! Keep it up brother.

  • @blueboats
    @blueboats3 күн бұрын

    Well, the close-up of the battery terminal crimps sent me into a full belly laugh, so yes, I did enjoy this

  • @michaellitscher9456
    @michaellitscher94563 күн бұрын

    95 T-10 Blazer, turn key, loud click. No crank, no start. I replaced the starter twice before giving up and having it towed to a garage. Long story short, the fuel pressure regulator inside the intake manifold that fed the spider injectors had rotted through and filled a cylinder with fuel, and hydro-locked the engine.

  • @brucet9799
    @brucet97992 күн бұрын

    Dragging out the tutorial to eleven minutes, and not ending with the beautiful repair you made!

  • @johnchambers12
    @johnchambers122 күн бұрын

    I love to share my experience with a customer telling me he needed a starter. I found voltage drop on the negative cable and replaced the cable from the battery to the block with the negative cable on my 25 foot long jumper cables. I then went inside the car and turned the key to the sound of the engine starting i then checked the cable ends and found the end that was attached to the block had corroded so bad that the plastic cover on the cable was the only thing that supported 2 inches of that cable. I had to remove almost 3 inches of the cover on that negative cable before i found the nice copper color i was looking for. I replaced the $14 cable and bolt instead of the price of that new starter which at that time was about $80 my price. Good video as always Sir!

  • @jamescaron6465
    @jamescaron64653 күн бұрын

    No, I’ll freely admit. I assumed it was the starter too. I’ll also admit I would’ve checked the battery cables for loose connections on the battery and any corrosion, but I wouldn’t have thought to look under that tape. Well, at least until I saw the smoke. This is a good lesson and not to make too many assumptions and jump on them blindly. I have to do some work on my defender tomorrow and it’s either replacing the coolant sensor or it’s a bad ground so I’m gonna replace the coolant sender because honestly they are cheap easy to access and only take a minute to do. Plus I don’t wanna screw with the grounds unless I really have to. If you want folding utility knife that opens really easy with one hand I suggest the Klein folding utility knife. It just pushed the button, flick your wrist, and it opens with no effort. Then push the button again and it folds down with just gravity.

  • @jamesu
    @jamesu3 күн бұрын

    Thanks for the video Eric. Great troubleshooting as usual.

  • @BigDaddy_MRI
    @BigDaddy_MRI3 күн бұрын

    Fantastic troubleshooting. Thanks for bringing us along!!

  • @johndesaavedra1040
    @johndesaavedra10402 күн бұрын

    I had a similar situation in a 2007 Civic, only intermittent. I checked all the connections, then tapped on the starter with a long extension. Each time I struck the starter it came to life. The starter was junk. I was able to change the starter with the intake on. The top bolt was stupid tight. I enjoyed the video, and learned something this morning.

  • @rogertraylor6048
    @rogertraylor60483 күн бұрын

    Let that smoke out. One of the best test that I have ever seen. Good job.

  • @randybeard6040
    @randybeard60403 күн бұрын

    The older side Post Terminals on Chevy Trucks would often Corrode underneath the Terminals, everything outside looked clean but it would not allow vehicle to start, my engine just shut off at a Traffic Light. A mechanic that I knew pulled up beside me and knew what the problem was, an education for me...

  • @alecmaxwell7945
    @alecmaxwell79453 күн бұрын

    Kind of new here,;even watching awhile and am impressed by your thorough, methodical way of diagnosis and. Cleaning before it all goes back together. Interesting how you saved the woman the cost of a starter. I've done my own work since high school and because I'm cheap,I will check and recheck everything before I bite the bullet and by the expensive part. I should clarify,I'm not cheap just thrifty. Thanks for making these video's 😊

  • @johnnychun59
    @johnnychun593 күн бұрын

    Just last night I was helping a coworker whose car wouldn't start. A couple other people there were saying her starter was dead. Turned out her battery clamps were loose. 😅

  • @fredflintstone8048
    @fredflintstone80483 күн бұрын

    When you see electrical tape on a heavy current connection it's a red flag. It didn't come out of the factory that way...

  • @goodcitizen64
    @goodcitizen642 күн бұрын

    Thanks Dr. O !!! I've personally been burnt from not checking the dang battery connections first and then fuses ECT! Another great video!!

  • @Fatterpilot
    @Fatterpilot3 күн бұрын

    Good stuff, Eric! You are an excellent teacher and the viewers are better for it!

  • @56TimBer
    @56TimBer3 күн бұрын

    I fixed photocopiers before I retired, so I always had a bit of time to think over the customer complaint while driving to the site. That thinking led me astray many times, fixing what I thought was the problem, not necessarily the problem the machine actually had.

  • @danlemke6407
    @danlemke64073 күн бұрын

    Not sure if this counts on new cars, but we had a car that would turn over but not start till you let off the key. I say we, I was helping my Dad many moons ago. Anyways, best we could figure was the starter was drawin so much juice, it had none left to give a strong spark and why it would fire off just as you let off the key. Upshot was a rebuilt starter and worked good, point being, we didn't know squat about how to test for that and only figured it out by using our ears and grey matter and deduction on an old car with very few gizmo's. These new cars, boy... Glad we have Eric to show us the ropes. Thanks for the great vid!

  • @scientist100

    @scientist100

    3 күн бұрын

    Easy peeze, try drivability in a new car and you will get into inputs and outputs. Many mechanics will just throw parts at a car because of the variables.

  • @smokinwithskruggs
    @smokinwithskruggs3 күн бұрын

    As someone who has worked on Hondas for 30 years first thing i seen was that junky ass battery terminal. Hondas dont like those. Ive got bitten by those before. Just today actually with one with a turn over no start. Spent an hour on it before realizing it had that same junky ass ternimal. Gotta remember to start with the simple stuff first. Even i forget. Great video!

  • @joealbert7773
    @joealbert77733 күн бұрын

    Voltage drop testing is the most accurate method of electrical diagnosis.

  • @1RJW381

    @1RJW381

    3 күн бұрын

    ⚡️✅

  • @Blazer02LS

    @Blazer02LS

    3 күн бұрын

    It's one of them for sure.

  • @harrywalker968

    @harrywalker968

    3 күн бұрын

    how about maintenance. check all connections are good.. i learnt back in 1973, earths, corrode, cause sht loads of problems.. posative earth, was better.. before your time.. as most inventions were back in the 1800,s..

  • @KStewart-th4sk

    @KStewart-th4sk

    3 күн бұрын

    @@harrywalker968 Why would positive ground be better since it seems to have gone the way of the dodo bird? Do i detect a Limey, since we call it "ground" here, across the pond in North America?

  • @Blazer02LS

    @Blazer02LS

    2 күн бұрын

    @@harrywalker968 I've owned a few positive ground vehicles over the years. Never saw much difference in corrosion overall even when you consider the actual current flow direction.

  • @MoparDan
    @MoparDan2 күн бұрын

    Darn it Eric, you let the smoke out of that junk connection. Good troubleshooting once again Eric.

  • @CaptainNero
    @CaptainNero3 күн бұрын

    Absolutely a fbomb and more moment after replacing that starter and realizing your mistake. Good catch and thank you for sharing.

  • @markmichlewicz5141
    @markmichlewicz51413 күн бұрын

    Lesson learned right there.its hard to not jump right to the fix when the flat rate clock is ticking.but it could save me buying a starter .I have to tell myself to slow down to go fast.

  • @Chase-bn9ju
    @Chase-bn9ju2 күн бұрын

    Your electrical videos are my favorite! I’ve learned a lot from watching them about auto electrical ( I’m a commercial electrician)

  • @christophersnyder8823
    @christophersnyder88233 күн бұрын

    So, in an unrelated, slightly dumb story. Me and my father were going up north from Dutchess County to Buffalo for a family event. My father stopped off for us to take a pit stop and happened to coincidentally pulled over in your town and drove by your shop. I explained I've been watching you on KZread for more than 5 years I think now. We drove by your shop and I looked and saw and drove down the road you always go down. It was interesting. Would have stopped off but 5pm on Friday and knowing how you feel about non customers just dropping by or calling without work needing to be done. I opted against it. I opened my mobile mechanic business modeled sort of how you do things but with my own twist. Thank you for doing a sometimes thankless job just to keep us educated and entertained.

  • @RenegadesGarage
    @RenegadesGarage2 күн бұрын

    South Main Auto.. Awesome video. Very well explained Eric. That is the correct way to test/diagnose this vehicles concern.

  • @erwinrommel2055
    @erwinrommel20553 сағат бұрын

    You just opened my blind eyes. Wow the multitude of things I learned from you. Thanks much

  • @SouthMainAuto

    @SouthMainAuto

    3 сағат бұрын

    Glad to help

  • @6point5by55
    @6point5by552 күн бұрын

    That is why I enjoy watching this channel.

  • @dalemurray6834
    @dalemurray68342 күн бұрын

    work for the AA in the Uk, its amazing how many breakdowns I go to that have just had starters or alternators fitted, when all it was is a poor cable. what's also amazing is the amount of qualified people fixing this stuff that don't know how to do a voltage drop.

  • @jimclifford1241
    @jimclifford12413 күн бұрын

    Epic. Always learn good stuff from you, Eric. Thank you.

  • @andygirke846
    @andygirke8463 күн бұрын

    Thanks Eric. I'm old school and just learned something new.

  • @mazzg1966
    @mazzg19663 күн бұрын

    Come on Eric...I doubt anyone here would question your troubleshooting techniques!! If you didn't start there, no one would have, thanks for another lesson!

  • @MeltiahNye
    @MeltiahNye2 күн бұрын

    That's a great description comparing voltage to a pressure difference. I'm going to use that one...

  • @nathanbeach3399
    @nathanbeach33993 күн бұрын

    That would have been a cool one to film with the thermal imaging camera.

  • @wallingj68
    @wallingj68Күн бұрын

    I was at work the other day and messed up something because I did things out of order. I grumbled as I redid it, then did my Eric O impression of "Always follow the process".

  • @mattmck6006
    @mattmck6006Күн бұрын

    it's like the computer board fixers interjecting voltage and using thermal camera to find the "loss"..... pretty cool.

  • @Todd66
    @Todd663 күн бұрын

    I am 100% sure I would have replaced the starter. And then maybe I would have figured out the wires were bad after I got lucky and smelled the smoke that I probably would not have found. Awesome video…again. Luv me sum SMA video

  • @vernonrice3539
    @vernonrice35393 күн бұрын

    Mr O. Good job on finding that electrical problem on that one. I do learn from u on electrical problems on cars. It seems like everything on the new cars is almost always an electrical problems.

  • @it4dps
    @it4dps2 күн бұрын

    You are the best at diagnosis that I have ever seen.👍

  • @JRBRestorations
    @JRBRestorations2 күн бұрын

    Great video as always. I have learned so much from you! Thanks for the continuing education!

  • @renereyes4999
    @renereyes49992 күн бұрын

    This a perfect example of a master class! sensei!❤ keep'em coming.

  • @GaryH-pw9cm
    @GaryH-pw9cm3 күн бұрын

    I found this out on 6 volt cars. On 6 volt cars you need every volt to make the starter work. A voltage drop test is required to test everything electrical.

  • @overload3996

    @overload3996

    3 күн бұрын

    I remember 6 volt chassis was B+, and wiring was GND on vintage told to me as a kid.

  • @DavidBruner_NJ
    @DavidBruner_NJ3 күн бұрын

    Great job as always. I wish that more car shops were not just parts replacers!

  • @TonyKuehler
    @TonyKuehler3 күн бұрын

    Very helpful video, it's good to remember the basics and not jump to conclusions. Hope you got that beast out of the door and on its way. Thank you.

  • @ibrahimwaheed987
    @ibrahimwaheed9872 күн бұрын

    Very good lesson Eric!

  • @waynesanders1406
    @waynesanders14062 күн бұрын

    I ALWAYS check the battery cables for a starter first. And by always, I mean never. I also always check the battery cables after replacing the starter, alternator, battery, fuse box, starting relays, and ignition assembly.

  • @jackgreen412
    @jackgreen4123 күн бұрын

    I would have checked for corrosion exactly like Eric....after watching Eric the wizard's video. Eric is a wizard, having paid attention to all of his mentors and having a ton of common sense.

  • @SDS-1
    @SDS-13 күн бұрын

    Yes i would love a part 2. These are my favorite type of malfunctions

  • @stationaryenginesworldwide
    @stationaryenginesworldwide3 күн бұрын

    Great lesson on voltage drop Eric.thank you for the entertainment and educational video !..kudos to SMA

  • @stephendupre
    @stephendupre2 күн бұрын

    Eric (or is it EPIC) - as usual, 10-min master class in diagnostics - all of us can use forever going forward. Truthfully, I would have thought "starter" looked at how hard - and REPLACED THE CAR.. Fixed. (LOL)

  • @petermccoll469
    @petermccoll4692 күн бұрын

    Very nice, I like the voltage drop test before taking the starter out

  • @tonylegon5682
    @tonylegon5682Күн бұрын

    Because you told me to say it..... I would have checked the terminal first! Great Video, very instructional, love the test with the meter.

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