The Burley airport was warned of safety deficiencies as far back as 2014 (unrelated to the stacks). They lost all federal funding in 2018. There was a LOT of data to cover in this tragedy in such a short video and this is a story that needs to be told. If you want to watch a story about a pilot that made a reckless mistake and killed almost everyone onboard the plane, then click here 👉kzread.info/dash/bejne/n66ozNuSctGpn9Y.html

@AN-nt3uv

6 күн бұрын

Who approves such buildings next to an airport? There should be general rules and only terrain might make an approach extraordinary, never later added buildings. A aquaintance of mine here in Germany works for air traffic control and they calculate the shadowing caused by new buildings for all the RF related instruments and signal beacons. Sorry for my laymen terms here, but i am just an interested physicist, not a pilot or such. But i assume similar studies are done for the visuals in general. Also, flap position should not impact whether you see an obstacle or not, otherwise you would only safely land with a given range of flaps, that your nose height does not cover those? I might be wrong, but a lot went wrong here leaving a pilot zero room for mistakes.

@Some571

6 күн бұрын

I wouldn't trust a woman pilot without an assistant Male pilot. To say she is really flying by herself, but with him only.👏

@sblack48

6 күн бұрын

@@Some571i wouldn’t trust you to make an intelligent comment. Gender has nothing to do with competence. She passed her instrument ride and pilot proficiency checks, therefore she demonstrated competence. She isn’t the first pilot male or female with low instrument time to crash in bad weather and this obstacle is poorly marked on the chart, not painted and emitting steam. It is obviously a trap and there will certainly be a multi million $ lawsuit. FAA, the airport, Jeppeson and the company that built the tower will all be dragged in to it. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with it.

@gabrielgagliano7180

6 күн бұрын

​@@Some571 I don't get it, what link is it you make between the fact she's a female and her mistakes? Maybe I didn't understand what you said quite well but to me, this has nothing to do with her gender whatsoever... Could happen to any pilot out there with the same amount of experience, I believe Hoover is right about the swiss cheese model, that poor lady was just in the wrong place at the wrong moment with the wrong conditions, period.

@gabrielgagliano7180

6 күн бұрын

*Sorry about my English if it's not perfect, I'm french but I hope you get the meaning of what I wrote

Great analysis Hoover! This accident hits very close to home, and as I mentioned on Juans channel. I am Brittney's instrument instructor that had the pleasure of working with her and witness her acheiveing her Instrument Rating. I wanted to thank you for covering Brittney's accident. Your example of the Swiss cheese model in reference to her accident is accurate. She was a FANTASTIC student, and to this day I still brag about how much of a joy she was to teach instrument. Her attention to detail, desire to be the best pilot she could was very evident from day one. Sadly, the chain of events leading to her loss are hard to stomach especially the exhaust stacks and how everything was a perfect storm for this event to happen. I hadn't seen the report that depicted her different airspeeds between the approach and how that could have greatly affected her second approach! What I can confidently say is that while going through her instrument training she was hyper focused on being precise with every approach, landing and maneuver she attempted. Being human does have the propensity to make mistakes, and combined with an approach that should have been discontinued is truly gut wrenching. She's greatly missed, however, I will forever be grateful to have known and had my stamp on her professional pilot career. Fly high Brittney! Thanks Hoover!

@Anon54387

2 күн бұрын

Sadly, her attention to detail took a break that day with the tragic results. Note that he said that she mostly stuck to a RELATIVELY constant descent angle which is NOT the same as a constant descent angle. Also, she started that descent 200 feet lower than stated on the chart. That right there meant she would have hit the stack. All the more is that she had been to that airport before.

@JL-sc4pg

2 күн бұрын

⁠@@Anon54387we all have made mistakes while flying and if they were to happen at a critical time with compounding factors then we would be in a report too. Honestly you’re showing hazardous attitudes - invulnerability. If you can’t see yourself in her seat then you need a reality check. This was the Swiss cheese model to a tee.

@tomriley5790

2 күн бұрын

@@Anon54387 As Juan pointed out on his channel the non-precision approach plate for that airport actaully does not have a constant descent rate if you follow it as printed your descent rate has to increase close to the airport.

@univera1111

Күн бұрын

I have heard the both sides but as good as she is a pilot, I think the aviation industry should give margin for error. We are all human. We are never perfect. If you need to be perfect 98% of the time as a pilot as a human, please leave Aviation and piloting to Artificial Intelligence. This is no joke comment. I think it's time to hand over pilot job to AI.

@JL-sc4pg

Күн бұрын

@@univera1111 what? A part 121 operation would never fly into that airport with those stacks in the way. This accident can be attributed to corruption or gross negligence within the city, state, and possibly the FAA. They allowed the stacks to be built and weren’t up to code with aviation orange being applied, anti collision lights operating, putting stacks directly on the extended centerline. You don’t need to be perfect 98% of the time you need situational awareness, professionalism, good judgment, and a level head.

The FAA said it was a hazard and magically said it is no longer a hazard after they increased the height of the stacks. That company, the city and FAA should have never allowed those stacks to be built in the path of the runway. This is insane.

@JapanesePiano1

4 күн бұрын

Just more government corruption.

@TravisHi_YT

4 күн бұрын

Sounds like someone got a nice pay day by overlooking it.

@user-ew3kw6cp3h

4 күн бұрын

The tax base of the company supersedes any form of safety or lives. Someone needs a good attorney.

@marcosfontalvo1729

4 күн бұрын

Corruption

@michaelwright2986

4 күн бұрын

Is corporate manslaughter a thing in the USA?

Thanks for posting her tragic end of life story,i met her at the SLC airport working as a A&P on the cargo Ramp,she was a good kind ,smart and capable pilot and woman, she is missed 😢peace to her Family.

@kathrynleaser5093

3 күн бұрын

So sorry for her loss. Tragic. ..😢

@supacheef1

3 күн бұрын

I'm an a&p @ kden (ups) . The ground manager shares SLC and den. He was very shaken up this night. My condolences. We never want to see this, especially these young'ns flying these demanding routes and schedules.

@mikegmdw1

2 күн бұрын

What licence did she have and how many hours?

@kristi1949

Күн бұрын

​@@mikegmdw1Watch the video. It's clearly stated.

25 years ago I was a 30 year old commuter turboprop Captain and like you said, "wrong time, wrong place". This could have happened to anybody.

@chrisrobbins2632

3 күн бұрын

The "wrong place, wrong time" comment was stupid when Hoover said it and it's just as stupid when you say it. What's stupid is a city letting a factory build 100' tall smoke stacks in the direct approach path of an airport.

@HighOctane-wo6cm

3 күн бұрын

@@chrisrobbins2632 Exactly… the “wrong place wrong time” scenario occurred back in 2016 when they built these stacks on that factory

This situation is crazy. If you consider the FCC regulations on how high an antenna tower you can build in proximity to an airport, there's no way you could have erected a structure that high. For short runways (less than 3200 feet), there's a 50:1 slope that defines the height of a structure. If the exhaust stack was 2600 feet from the runway, it couldn't have exceeded 52 feet of height above the runway surface. And these stacks are built at twice that height, pretty much exactly off the end of the runway? It's all nuts.

@tomsetberg4746

6 күн бұрын

It's because you have two incompetent government agencies competing. EPA requires it to be higher FAA requires it to be lower. So you're in a lose lose situation as the government runs rampant with power.

@GOAE7777

6 күн бұрын

@@tomsetberg4746 Ah, yes. EPA trying to reduce the probability of disease by increasing smoke stack height. And FAA trying to increase safety factor by reducing the smoke stack height. Both are incompetent for trying to do their job despite both measurably saving lives. But since both wanted their regulations conflicting enforced, clearly the government is rampant with power and the company should be allowed to do whatever it wants whenever it wants because that must be the third option right? Sometimes people are so stupid they have to be saved from themselves. But sometimes, maybe they just deserve a Darwin award, eh? You're the reason why people are thankful for plagues.

@nordboya1656

6 күн бұрын

@@tomsetberg4746 "government runs rampant with power" - but this is about regulatory failure... if we strip all power from government then who is going to implement the correct safety rules on building towers?

@rc01140

6 күн бұрын

@@nordboya1656 the invisible hand of the free market, obviously...

@deevnn

6 күн бұрын

@@rc01140 Yup...and that's a disaster waiting to happen.

“It isn’t dangerous because it will make us money” 🙄

@charlesterrizzi8311

6 күн бұрын

A pretty damning statement

@yotonbbatsles7942

6 күн бұрын

@@charlesterrizzi8311😂

@Zachhatesyoutube

6 күн бұрын

A statement like that gets my lawyer all excited

@yourworstnightmare5902

6 күн бұрын

WTF!!!!!!!

@andyk2181

6 күн бұрын

This risk to someone else's life is acceptable 😮‍💨

Thank you so much for putting this video together. I personally knew Brittney from flight school at Utah State. Its so heartbreaking to lose a fellow aviator and friend. She really was one of the most driven, and kind people I knew while flight training. She was loved and will be missed. Stay safe out there guys.

@drjones762

3 күн бұрын

This is just sick. The whole thing was completely and totally avoidable on all sides. For what little its worth; from her pictures I sense she is a vibrant, beautiful & wonderful girl and it’s an absolute travesty what happened. You are blessed to have known her.❤ 😭

I came upon your channel a few months ago by accident and this is only the third episode I have watched. I was Naval Aviator, and then spent 31 years at FedEx plying the trade prior to retiring. I greatly appreciate your extreme professionalism in describing these incidents! IMHO…. In this case, with the flaps up(accidentally), and the low airspeed led to the nose high attitude while descending from the clouds, likely resulting in a “feeling” of being higher than she wanted to be, likely causing her to increase her rate of descent to get to a place where the “visual” view matched what she wanted to see. Thank you again for your professional presentations Hoover! Your site should be required viewing for pilots!

Factory is negligent, City is negligent, the position of the stacks leaves an approaching aircraft almost no margin of error to recover from a problem. Never should have been allowed to build those stacks. The fact that the city said the financial benefit was more important (than safety i.e. Brittney's life) is damning and I hope they get sued for millions.

@klystron22

6 күн бұрын

The FAA is also negligent in determining no hazard on them as well. Also where is the FAA enforcement on the lack of aviation painting. Not giving the factory a pass here, but that's just another piece as well.

@alleyratAnderson

6 күн бұрын

Billions.

@courtneysmith6082

6 күн бұрын

THIS!

@crissd8283

6 күн бұрын

This is typical for government agencies. The EPA tells you the stacks must be higher and gives you permission too do so. The FAA tells you no. Where I work, the Department of Ecology and the Department of health are always telling us to do opposite things. They seem to be completely unable to communicate with each other.

@charlescz1974

6 күн бұрын

The 100’ stack on two Zero approach is completely ridiculous considering the airstrip was there first. If the stacks were that necessary then pay to move the airstrip over! No room for error now

FAA: 70’ stacks: ☠️ 100’ stacks: 👍

@Chishannicon

6 күн бұрын

"Nah, see but, it's cool now cuz they're painted! ...They ARE painted, right? RIGHT???" - Some FAA guy, probably

@mikeall7012

6 күн бұрын

They must have used the Boeing response model on this one.

@Sam590ss

6 күн бұрын

FAA: How much you willing to pay?

@Civ33

6 күн бұрын

guarantee you money was involved in that "everything is fine" assessment

@Larry-yb7zl

6 күн бұрын

EPA declares victory over the FAA. Originally FAA claimed raising towers to 60 was hazard to aviation when design was proposed at 60. EPA said they need to go even higher to help emissions. Company says ok and redesigned the stacks to 100 to satisfy EPA, ignoring FAA. EPA blessed the new design, then FAA magically blessed 100 if they are painted and lit. Paint or those cheesy lights would not have mattered as the steam being expelled on this day is similar to zero/zero visibility in fog. Something caused FAA to back down. Suppose EPA carries higher weight in govt decisions than the FAA does. Pecking order of our government on display, unfortunately to the demise of an aviator.

The real mistake was believing that the FAA is still a competent government agency. It has not been since 2000; people should be fired for allowing an approach with hazards like that in the glide path!

@ninedaysjane2466

5 күн бұрын

It wasn't a competent agency then. It wasn't in the 90s, 80s, or 70s. It's called the Tombstone Agency for a reason.

@truthsRsung

5 күн бұрын

@psjasker ... Why do you feel compelled to use "competent government agency" in anything but a Joke? Not one "official" in this case has Public Safety in mind, piling it on heaps of other similar examples.

@user-pb7ig4sv2l

5 күн бұрын

Not even mentioning the Boeing stuff ups

@Tugela60

5 күн бұрын

The real mistake was believing that the psjasker is still a competent youtube commenter. It has not been since 2000; people should be fired for allowing a post with hazards like that in the video comment path! 😂

@Rdctd6969

5 күн бұрын

The real mistake is believing that literally any agency or the government is competent. And that's by design.

I’m not a pilot but I’m a huge air craft enthusiast. I love your debriefs. You spare no details while remaining unbiased. Keep up the good work. My heart goes out to all Brittany’s loved ones and family. May future innovations provide safer skies and less accidents in the future.

How could they allow stacks like that next to an airport. Someone dropped the ball, several times. Having to fly thru a steam cloud just sounds negligent.

@ljviks22

6 күн бұрын

Because unless you are a bad pilot you wouldn’t come close to them. She messed up. She got way way way off track and altitude and didn’t go around. This was completely her fault

@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co

6 күн бұрын

@@ljviks22No, it wasn't.

@michaelinners5421

6 күн бұрын

​@@ljviks22 Did you even watch the video? Or are you shilling for the city/plant?

@mikewaterfield3599

6 күн бұрын

Because cities encroach on airports. Half the airfields in my state have that problem. Still fly the approach and it’s not an issue. Pvt students stick approaches at an 1800x30’ strip with 70’ trees off the approach on a regular basis. 2W2 is considered practice, not unsafe.

@chrislovett6120

6 күн бұрын

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Coremind me again who was flying the plane?

This is one of the saddest debrief stories I’ve seen. My thoughts and well wishes are with the family.

@kevinfraser573

6 күн бұрын

I hope the family loses the lawsuit. NTSB concluded pilot error. Can you read?

@MrCubflyer

6 күн бұрын

NTSB couldnt fined their ass with two hands and a flashlight.

@Catpanl

6 күн бұрын

Why is this more sad than any other pilot death because this is an attractive female case? She made a mistake and only she paid for it. In many other cases people on the plane who had nothing to do with the situation ended up getting killed, that’s the sad part to me.

@ricksmall3587

5 күн бұрын

@@kevinfraser573 The NTSB is always right? Can you think?

@seaskimmer9071

5 күн бұрын

@@Catpanl There is NO empirical evidence that proves "she made a mistake". And (curb your misogyny) her physical appearance has nothing to do with it; those stacks should never have been there. You're right about there being no one else involved, so keep the oranges out of the apples.

I watch many mainstream KZread flying videos, and while some of the "experts" give their opinions about how and why accidents occur, yours is the most thorough. Thank you, and keep up the good and valuable work!

Awesome debrief, thank you for doing this one, great video and keep up the great work Hoover.

I'm a pilot - so of course I love these videos. But I'm really struck just how well done they are from a production and organization perspective - which make them very easy to watch.

@ericlewis4674

5 күн бұрын

I couldn’t agree more. He does a superb job in all respects.

@favorgracetransportllc6843

5 күн бұрын

I agree

@stopatredlights

5 күн бұрын

We don’t care you say you pilot so lick it.

@bigdaddyd4jc

5 күн бұрын

Definitely! I have seen another “analysis” that was total garbage.

@truthsRsung

5 күн бұрын

With the rest of the world tossing aside Wise Regulations like Building Codes, and FAA Certifications, any real world perspective is going to stand out. No shade on pilots, aside from the leaded fuel y'all still cling to.

Even with 2200 hour of private pilot flying, I do not fly to minimum in weather. I do not fly single engine at night. Not anymore. I’m debating with myself if watching all these videos scare me or make me a safer pilot. These videos have changed the way I fly and think. Thank you to all the KZreadrs that bring this knowledge today. In the old days all this content was not available due to internet simply not there. Keep your airspeed up and be safe.❤

@brianfeeney9493

6 күн бұрын

Single engine Cherokee Six ….. Night, weather, ice …… Choose another day !

@dontaylor6751

5 күн бұрын

You have a great attitude toward your flying. Anything that makes you think about what you are doing makes you safer. Know your own limitations and stay within them. Your passengers are counting on you. Don ATP, CFI, CFII, MEI 22,000 hours. I would fly with you anytime.

@MrGeneralPB

5 күн бұрын

safer, even if you are scared, being safer due to it keeps your adrenaline pumping and prevents you from making 'generous assumptions' about your piloting abilities and safety

@benhartart9487

5 күн бұрын

Fly whenever brah

@meburman

5 күн бұрын

@doncook2066. You probably already know this but in the world of 121 and 135 flying pilots usually don't have the option of going or not because of the way they feel about it. Many of us cut our teeth doing things or flying in conditions that we now get to say no to in the plush and comfortable corporate jet or airline flight deck we now regularly fly in. Each pilot must do their own risk assessment and determine their own go/no go choices. Sometimes it is easier and sometimes it isn't. Luckily for 99% of us, the Swiss cheese doesn't line up and we are rewarded with an arrival despite all the signs that we should have chosen differently. In the end, no matter your experience, and no matter what you are flying...when you are in the bathroom all by yourself and you look at yourself in the mirror, if the person looking back at you has a look of terror or doubt in his/her eyes, time to call it for the evening and live to fly another day. Even if the decision is unpopular with others. That is the sign of an aviation professional (PIC)....a person who can say an informed no when others are saying otherwise.

Hoover I really do appreciate your analysis. You’re spot on, articulate and well spoken. You get to the point. Every time I watch one of your debriefing I learned something. A good pilot is always learning so I will continue to watch these and will continue to benefit from an experience, insight and analysis, thank you for your efforts

I know absolutely nothing about flying an aircraft but your videos are so well explained that even I can make sense of them. Thanks

And let’s make sure the stacks are gray so they blend perfectly with the snow. Great plan.

@billymacktexasdetective5827

6 күн бұрын

Where I live, snow is white. Where is this gray snow you speak of?

@kendallevans4079

6 күн бұрын

@@billymacktexasdetective5827 How about painting them bright RED! Do you have red snow? You know what his point was but you couldn't stand not to chip in with a senseless comment....happy now?

@dilwyn1

6 күн бұрын

@@kendallevans4079 Well said!!

@russell-di8js

6 күн бұрын

The chimneys weren't moving or hiding 2nd time round were they?

@daffidavit

6 күн бұрын

@@billymacktexasdetective5827 He said "blend" not "match".

This story reminds me of the Florida vet and his wife who hit a pine tree on approach to RDU--you did an excellent debrief on that sad event. The state park pine tree had good reason to be there but that smoke stack absolutely did not! Shame on that company and the city who approved its height and location! 😡😢🤯

@SteveKasian

5 күн бұрын

...and the FAA for approving its height and location, as well!

Thank you. You are always to respectful in your posts. I look forward (with respect to the content) to your next post x

THANK YOU from a non-aviator for your analysis. Between you and Juan Brown, I learn so much.

The only mistake I see is some state employees greenlit the building of IRON BARS 100 FT HIGH in the immediate vicinity of an airport. This is pure lunacy and all the culprits should get at least some jail sentence, extra to the compensation of the family

@z135210

5 күн бұрын

How far are the stacks from the airport?

@krummja4823

5 күн бұрын

@@z135210 If only there was some way of getting this information, like a breakdown video that goes into meticulous detail...

@IvanskiYakinovski

5 күн бұрын

The crazy thing is that there is a Samsung plant being build next to an untowered airport about 1.5 miles from the end of the runway. The stacks easily would obstruct your path if you were to extend your downwind leg before turning base. This location is FREQUENTLY used by student pilots from multiple flight schools and just the cranes alone give me anxiety

@Ethan-fh9lq

5 күн бұрын

@@z135210 They are apx. 0.5 miles from the runway.

@3rett115

5 күн бұрын

I know the stacks are a huge problem, but not sure why everyone is choosing to ignore the fact that she basically lost control of the airplane. She dove at least 1500 ft/mn in the last thousand feet when she was well above the steam plumes. Her AOA was extremely high in both videos, so she was either tail heavy or too slow or both. ADSB says she was doing around 80 kts with no flaps, but her IAS was likely lower. My thoughts are she got too slow, and maybe distracted by the missed procedure, that she forgot to lower flaps which caused her to sink real fast at the edge of a stall at the exact worst time. This was pilot error sadly, but the stacks being there certainly make the margin for error unreasonable in actual minimums. If she would've kept her speed up and used flaps, she'd certainly still be alive.

Thanks for posting, this was an accident waiting to happen by all accounts I've read on the internet. Local to me, about 10 to 15 years ago, our local Government bought up everything, (Houses, factories, farms etc, ) within 1/2 a mile to 1 mile from our airfield and removed it from the landscape. They demolished houses, trees, windmills, flagpoles and everything else taller than 10 feet high, to prevent just this sort of tragedy. The lives of the pilots, passengers and crew, to them was more important than making a profit.

@mikehaberski4596

5 күн бұрын

@speedfinder1 im shure there were deeper pockets making this happen for what reason you will not know till its too late but i bet it has nothing to do with making the friendly skys safer for dumb pilots that dont pay attention

@Caduceus88

5 күн бұрын

@@mikehaberski4596Pretty ignorant statement, you must not be a pilot, if you are, that statement is also arrogant.

@stellviahohenheim

5 күн бұрын

​@@Caduceus88Yeah! Get em boah

@quantumjet253

5 күн бұрын

@@mikehaberski4596 "dumb pilots that don't (yeah, I've corrected that for you seeing as education failed you!) pay attention"... are you f***ing kidding!? Everyone makes mistakes all the time. You can't write a sentence without several errors so you should understand this more than most. I think it's disgusting (well, let's be honest, you're incredibly immature) to suggest an error that cost someone their life makes them 'dumb'.

@Dan-di9jd

4 күн бұрын

Assuming if this is in the USA, I don't buy this story at all. I'm a guy who actually had his land taken by Eminent Domain laws and I don't believe this story for a few reasons. For one, a government can't just take over property without just compensation and that is going to depend on a lot of factors such as how long the property been there and how long it's been used for. Second, the government can't take over land without city council approval and within the state laws. It's very doubtful property owners would just give up their land and not go to city council to fight for it. Also, every owner has a right to take contest it in courts and it would take decades if not longer to acquire all said properties. I fought for my land rights back and ultimately won after nearly 3 years of court fighting.

Hoover, I’m not a pilot, but rather a police officer and avid motorcyclist. I want to give you kudos on your ability to make informational, educational, and professional KZread content. I’ve been watching your videos at the gym as do my cardio on the treadmill. You are a true example of quality in social media, which unfortunately is rare these days. Thank you for being a valued content creator.

@thengine7

12 сағат бұрын

ACAB

I'm not a pilot nor in aviation, but when I see a new Pilot Debrief, I click as quick as I can. The level of professionalism, quality of detail, level of compassion make this one of KZreads best content . God Bless 🙏

One truth I have noticed with almost all of your debriefs, and with other videos like yours, is that it doesn't take much of an error to kill yourself (and others) in an airplane. They are rather unforgiving machines as the recent deaths of some very experienced and highly skilled aviators have proven. As always, you gave an excellent analysis.

@samkelomambisa1897

6 күн бұрын

Yeah. A mundane failure on a car, boat, is more of an inconvenience. If it's mechanical or there's mist or something and you can't see, pull over to the side. Switch off engine, call someone or wait for the weather to get better. Same thing on an aircraft, you're out luck. Dead because of some minor oversight or mistake. Very unforgiving.

@ronaldlindeman6136

6 күн бұрын

@@samkelomambisa1897 I'm not doing caving, wingsuit flying, hiking, scuba diving, mountain climbing, motorcycling, flying an airplane or even taking a selfie. It's all to dangerous.

@c1d2e

6 күн бұрын

There's a famous poster in almost every small airport office showing a crumpled WW1 biplane stuck in a lone tree, the caption reads. “Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.” Captain A. G. Lamplugh, British Aviation Insurance Group, London. c. early 1930's.

@nukedaddy

6 күн бұрын

As pointed out in the video, 12 precursors had to line up for this particular accident to occur. Yes it's very dangerous because when number 12 is set in place, you don't just pull over to the side of the road. However, it's all very preventable. 99% of what Hoover covers is pilot error...and usually it's several errors, not just one little mistake.

@jamesw.6931

6 күн бұрын

@@ronaldlindeman6136 I will not tip-toe through life to arrive safely at death... After becoming more comfortable relaying my life experiences while serving abroad and events that have taken place in my seventy-three years, one of my VA doctors said. "You are either the luckiest man I have ever encountered, or God is not done with you yet."

If I'm the pilot in those conditions I'm thinking the stacks possess a greater risk than landing downwind on a 4700ft runway (or diverting). Obstacles near a runway are a huge risk when you're low and slow.

@beefjezos2713

5 күн бұрын

Im going to guess that you aren’t a commercial pilot. Diverting because you aren’t confident enough to fly a published instrument approach is not acceptable. Not blaming Brittney at all but your statement is ridiculous.

@synupps877

5 күн бұрын

​@@beefjezos2713 The video said pilots divert from that airport.

@giggiddy

5 күн бұрын

Kinda stinky

@paulis7319

5 күн бұрын

As commercial pilots we often get so used to certain sketchy airfields that we just fly in like normal every time. If you'd flown the instrument approach into there 12 times already, you'd naturally be comfortable with it and not divert. This really was a freak accident that could've happened to anyone. It's the result of a company that prioritizes money over human life, combined with a pilot who made a "tiny" mistake at the worst possible moment.

@paulis7319

5 күн бұрын

@@beefjezos2713 Pilots can get in trouble for diverting. Pilots can get killed for not diverting. Choose your poison.

Thank you for this debrief

Another excellent video Hoover! Very much appreciate the time you invest in them!

City Logic _"We have confirmed the stacks are safe because it brings in money."_

@demef758

5 күн бұрын

@@your_very_best Oh please. I'm so old I can remember when Algore said that by 2015 NYC would be underwater from global warming. I can remember when Ted Danson said in the 80s that by the 1990s the US coast lines would be underwater. While in 2019 Obama buys a seaside mansion for $11.75M on Martha's Vineyard. What genius told you that these "experts" know what the hell they're talking about as the "hide the decline"?

Most, if not all, of these debriefs are heart breaking... but I cannot for the life of me understand why the city would allow *anything* to be build on the approach path and not simply offset the plant to the left or right.

@loca8048

6 күн бұрын

$$$$$ All about the Benjamins.

@chrishaugh1655

6 күн бұрын

Small town in the middle of nowhere Idaho. Pretty easy to understand why they decided to allow it if it brings in money to their town.

@quantomic1106

6 күн бұрын

Because they would cost money.

@mannythehunter

5 күн бұрын

Lots of problems. He missed this part it's technically 2 towns!! The city lost funding for the airport. Britney was a great person and her dad will own that processing plant when he's done!

@drjones762

3 күн бұрын

@@chrishaugh1655Small towns have lots of space to relocate stuff.

I’m an armchair aviator enthusiast I’m thoroughly impressed with your conscious effort to understand what happened to cause an error ( human or mechanical factors ) I feel confident with your speculations over most others so called facts. Keep up the great investigation and presentation 👌👍

I admire the compassion you display in your videos.

Moving operations to Twin Falls would have avoided this ridiculous approach issue. The whole existence of the stacks and lack of services at the airport should have eliminated this as a destination.

@daszieher

6 күн бұрын

and have another landing field closed. The stacks should have never been built.

@RichardQuaid

6 күн бұрын

Not being greedy would have avoided this. It happens too often. People with money never seem to have enough, and don't care about anything but getting more. What's a few lives, really?

@cturdo

6 күн бұрын

@@daszieher The company can choose where to operate, and getting a cheap base there cost them a plane and crew.

@danepatterson8107

6 күн бұрын

I didn't even stop to consider that, honestly: that's a great point. I think those stacks were inevitably going to down an AC.

@d0wnboy

6 күн бұрын

@@RichardQuaidExplain.

I am a pilot, but haven't flown in years. That phase of my life has passed. The knowledge that you have has no limits and I enjoy your method of explaining everything about the incidents. You always show the incident from many angles and it really helps all pilots become better. I believe pilots should find an opportunity to learn SOMETHING from every flight, even if it's just "why am I always 5 feet left of centerline when I land???" Thanks Hoover, you make this world a better/safer place with your efforts and I am sure non-pilots find your content entertaining as well.

@linanicolia1363

5 күн бұрын

same here. I agree.

@albatross8

3 күн бұрын

Take out a life insurance policy just in case you both get the urge to fly again!! 🎉😂😂😂😂

@rrocketman

3 күн бұрын

You got to get up there again mate 👍

@Midniteattack

2 күн бұрын

woah. Today I learned always being 5' left of center is super common and an easy fix: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a5dqxJmqf6jXpto.html. Gonna go work on that tomorrow! Thanks @ScottPlude.

@dabneyoffermein595

2 күн бұрын

What type of planes have you flown?

A great breakdown. Thanks for putting all of this together.

This is very sad. I always learn important details/concepts from your outstanding debriefs because they're so well done. Thanks Hoover. I'm heartbroken for her family and loved ones.

The FAA learned their lesson. They now allowed the factory to build their new smoke stack 130 feet high.

@veager123

6 күн бұрын

I would put my focus on the EPA, a corrupt mafia organization with way more power then the FAA

@z135210

5 күн бұрын

How far are the stacks from the start of the runway?

@Rain-uc4ru

5 күн бұрын

^ @@z135210 = Visual reference seen @ 10:22 in this video..... ( if it helps any ? ) .

@tonycruz2302

5 күн бұрын

Knowing how high the stacks would have to be, why didn't the company build in a different location. Oh I know "Economics". Hope the family sues till the stacks and factory are no longer!

@z135210

5 күн бұрын

@@tonycruz2302 you have no idea what you are talking about. Did you know that the state's largest river is between the airport and the stacks? And that if she didn't hit the stacks she was descending so fast she would have hit the ground or river well before she touched the runway?

Nobody has better explained the main factors while also pointing the emphasis in the right directions. This could be a 3 hour debrief, however, the fact the exhaust from the stacks can cause turbulence and/or temporary loss but was still approved on an approach like this is beyond my comprehension. Striped painted with a light or not. Why should any such man-made obstruction be anywhere remotely close to this glide path. There has to more of a margin than 100’ when you’re anywhere close to DMMS. RIP Brittney, a gorgeous woman an even more beautiful soul. May this tragedy continue to offer us education for all parties so that we can all be better. Great job covering this Hoover, love ya buddy. 🙏🏼

Just found your channel, I'm not a pilot, but the way you explain everything makes it easy to comprehend, thank you. I've subscribed.

Trevor you do a GRATE job explaining the details‼️ BRAVO 👏

I am not a pilot, but have found your channel fascinating and my knowledge of the stresses that pilots encounter during flight has increased dramatically. Thank you!

Money > Humans. Always. All my sympathies to her family and friends for their loss.

@barbarachambers7974

6 күн бұрын

Tombstone economics....

@z135210

5 күн бұрын

How far are the stacks from the airport?

@barbarachambers7974

5 күн бұрын

@@z135210 it looks less than a mile to me.

@z135210

5 күн бұрын

@@barbarachambers7974 She was descending too fast and if she didn't hit the stacks she would've landed in the river. Has nothing to do with the stacks. She was hundreds of feet too low.

@rixxy9204

5 күн бұрын

​@@z135210she really wasn't. Watch the video again

Thanks for Making this video.

Thank you for your sympathetic analysis of this tragic accident..... Roger... Pembrokeshire

Those stacks seem like a booby trap just waiting for someone to slip up on their approach. Surely there's a long list of close calls. Absolute insanity they were allowed to be built and stay.

@Catpanl

6 күн бұрын

But that’s the purpose of following an approach plate as if your life depends on it because it does. In other airports, it’s trees or mountains or any number of other things getting low on an instrument approach is essentially chancing death.

@kamakaziozzie3038

5 күн бұрын

@@Catpanlmakes sense. Did the approach plate call out the stacks and correct minimums in that area?

@lnewton3677

5 күн бұрын

Why did she throw the first approach away? Looked viable and accurate

@gomini3707

5 күн бұрын

Trees and mountains are natural. 100 ft high iron bars puffing cloud of steam are artificial. Pilots already have enough hoops to jump through Plus...The stench or corruption is pervasive in this case

@mrwp819300

5 күн бұрын

​@@gomini3707Agree!

What on earth is the madness that allows tall structures to be built close to a runway and directly in line with it. There will be an individual who ultimately signed this off and approved it. Makes you wonder how much money was passed under the desk. Someone has blood on their hands and should be held accountable. Putting economic benefits before peoples lives is absolutely disgraceful. If there are no regulations to stop something like this then there should be.

@eriklarson9137

5 күн бұрын

That's what I think the real issue is. The 1 single person that signed off on this needs to be held accountable. Period. They won't be. :( Scum bag politicians.

Always enjoy your analysis.You make it understandable to us passengers.

Very well done video, thank you. This accident is one that really makes you question if flying is worth the risks.

I’ve flown in and out of KBYI a handful of times. Those smoke stacks are in a terrible place. I understand if a perfect glide slope is flown everything is fine but there is so little room for error. Take off performance can be rough in high density altitude trying to clear those as well

@recoilrob324

6 күн бұрын

After overflying the runway and seeing it snow covered....it looks like she was trying to put it down right at the threshold giving as much room as possible to stop. Combined with the steam cloud all margins were removed and she sunk into the stack. Not understanding why no flaps though? Task saturation? RIP Brittney.

@bryanb6931

6 күн бұрын

My question is, are obstacles like the stacks a problem for highly experienced pilots?

@RadioRich100

6 күн бұрын

She was a bad pilot end of story.

@Dub636

6 күн бұрын

@@bryanb6931 what do we consider highly experienced?

@Dub636

6 күн бұрын

@@RadioRich100 what makes a bad pilot? Does a good pilot never make a mistake?

Thanks for sharing this sad tale - The only thing missing from this excellent debrief is a penalty from the FAA for not complying with the measures to make the stacks safe, and whatever pencil-pusher decided that 70ft stacks would be a hazard, but 100 ft stacks is a-ok. The FAA does do a thankless service, but they don't deserve thanks for indirectly causing a young woman to lose her life. I hope that all of the extra profit is sued out of them.

@sambolivar167

4 күн бұрын

FAA criminal corruption (some kind of backroom deal), and also city and industry (the industrial plant with the stacks) corruption. So lots of people to sue here but the FAA is prob the most serious and cuppable because it's their job to make it safe and it was such a blatant corrupt decision. Should be a criminal investigation of FAA and of who pushed through that decision. Why there hasn't and probably won't be? Corruption in whatever body is responsible for that too. So much cold-blooded corruption in AmericA it's a wonder it doesn't cause far more deaths. Oh wait I forgot about the plandemic, and the endless wars both deliberate mass-murder. Not to mention all the other mass murders like fake HIV etc etc etc.

Another outstanding video Hoover.

You have the BEST aviation channel on KZread...so professional. Thank-you! This was a very sad tragedy and my heart goes out to her family and friends. Maybe they should CLOSE that airport.

So...everyone involved knew the stacks are a problem.

If the approach angle is modified for it, how is it not a hazard

@wingmanjim6

6 күн бұрын

Yeah, until something goes wrong. Planning a safety margin is crucial.

@georgeconway4360

6 күн бұрын

You mention she may have lowered the nose because she may have gotten slow which may have happened. I recall way back when I was learning and then teaching students were taught pitch controls speed and power controls altitude. I recall it was taught this simplistic way together students not to use power for speed control. The reality is when you fly larger faster airplanes on a steady glide path power controls speed.

@webcucciolo

5 күн бұрын

Because steeper flight paths are not uncommon, especially in the mountain.

Thanks Hoover, good video. You can also thank Dan Gryder as well who put a lot more effort into the investigation process than anyone else... including the FAA. Its still mindbending that a company would have been soooo brain dead & negligent by deciding to put a line of chimneys directly in line with an active runway. With all the land available on that site they had to put them there!!! What were they thinking... because they certainly didn’t in this case... think that is! So many holes in the Swiss cheese model apparent here. If the company was so blindingly and criminally negligent there were other options to recritify the issue... possibly realign the runway by 10 degrees for example. But, like everything these days bureaucracy, finance and especially egos cloud peoples judgement and wherewithal to act. RIP Britteny... you were doing so well... till you were let down by the system. Keep up the good work Hoover. Regards from Oz. Gaz 😮

@AviatorJohn70

4 күн бұрын

You must be kidding? More effort meaning stealing the light…..smh

You’re a legend Mr Hoover, thanks for your videos

I hope the family wins the lawsuit. It won’t bring her back but the company and city need to be held accountable.

@edwardcat5247

6 күн бұрын

except no actual person is ever held accountable, they all continue working... some vague concept of "a city" (??) is accountable.... and the taxed people pay... and no lessons are learnt... and it happens again in a coupleyears

@RadioRich100

6 күн бұрын

No the pilot does.

@nitro2199

6 күн бұрын

@@edwardcat5247 This actually is how lessons are learned. Regulations are written in blood.

@NoWr2Run

6 күн бұрын

@@edwardcat5247 Just like Cops, never held accountable & the Citizens pay not the Cop.

@fentresshill3990

6 күн бұрын

Hindsight is 20/20. Pilot error of flying the Burley Municipal Airport approach too low. Thousands of pilots before this fatal crash apparently had no problem.

Was living in Twin Falls when this occurred, & and I have been curious as to what happened! Thank you for the information.

Very good analysis.... keep up the good work sir.

Thanks for this clear and thoughtful presentation

If you’re going to have these one hundred feet AGL stacks, the airport MUST have a precision approach.

@Breenild

6 күн бұрын

But that's too expensive for them I guess! 😮

@joeg4466

5 күн бұрын

Precision approaches aren't permitted with a 3.75 glide path.

Unbelievable they would build these obstructions on an approach to a runway. RIP

@z135210

5 күн бұрын

How far are the stacks from the runway?

Excellent analysis. Thank you.

Thanks for sharing this info as tragic as it is. Take care and God Bless.

As a casual aviation fan, I really enjoy your videos. I was an EMT for 30yrs & attended quite a few aviation incidents. My friend was an air traffic controller, so I used to get access to the control tower at Prestwick. So your videos are of great interest to me. RIP this pilot. 😢

Thanks Hoover. Too bad bureaucrats with the power to set mandates don’t take the responsibility for making sure they’re followed. And shame on that plant for not recognizing that pilots sometimes are unable to walk the fine line that keeps them safe when you fall down on your responsibility. The cost of a few cans of paint was so prohibitive…really? I hope her parents get the right resolution. How hard would it have been to plan this building so the stacks were oriented OUT of alignment with the flight path? It seems so simple.

@Lookup2Wakeup

6 күн бұрын

Or move the run way ......

@HomesickforAlaska

6 күн бұрын

​@@Lookup2Wakeup Or not approve that plant in the flight path in such close proximity to an already EXISTING runway.

@Lookup2Wakeup

6 күн бұрын

@@HomesickforAlaska I know. Just being flippant....

@SuperPhunThyme9

6 күн бұрын

For real whoever was running the factory was an ass. Dan Gryder found the light from the stack leftover on-site by the FAA....and it looked like about 5 watts. Also the light was a dim orange not Red🔴

@RadioRich100

6 күн бұрын

Simple? You go paint that stack. A few cans of paint? You think a crew of painters working a job like that is free?

I first started watching Hoover about a year ago. I fly and have always watched and read everything I can about accident to hopefully not make a mistake that another poor soul has made. Aviation advances have always been paid for in blood sweat and tears, and more blood than anything else. It's a very rewarding field but it is most unforgiving. I've lost friends and acquaintances along my way in it. So to help stay safe and to use what the comrades have paid for with their blood I watch and read what I can. This said I'd like to say thanks to Hoover for putting the effort into this and for not letting the loss of our fellow aviators be wasted. Thanks again Hoover.

Great debrief. Thx.

All administrative controls failed. I hope her family sues all of them.

@mofayer

6 күн бұрын

No one in the admin will have to pay a penny, all of it will come from the taxpayer. 🤷. That's our justice system.

@RadioRich100

6 күн бұрын

@@mofayer They dont deserve anything, pilot error

@alpha_echo_diDi

6 күн бұрын

What kind of family lets a weak pilot fly passengers? They knew she was incompetent, the family should be sued for the cost of the stacks and the airplane

@Catpanl

6 күн бұрын

@@alpha_echo_diDi savage. Lol.

Superb presentation, Hoover. My wife and I appreciate all the work you put into researching, writing and editing these videos. Very edifying.

That was a great pilot debrief Hoover. As usual you nailed it and gave me a complete understanding of what killed this young lady pilot. It is so sad that conditions like this can cause the Swiss cheese holes to line up. I am a pilot myself but I am now 70 years old. I haven't flown since 1987 but I can still feel the circumstances that caused this accident.

Very well done Hoover! Always classy and respectful to the families.

Very sad and tragic. A major contributing factor was inadequate warning lights, which were placed where steam could obscure them. How expensive would it have been to have extra strobe lights placed from forty to ninety feet up the stacks? Better lights don't burn out for years at a time. The cost benefit ratio is huge. Excellent video, Hoover. You're the best at this.

@z135210

5 күн бұрын

There were lights if you watched the video. And she was below the lowest glide slope and entirely her fault she crashed. She was so low and descending so fast she was going to hit the giant river that exists between the stacks and the runways start.

@JimNortonsAlcoholism

5 күн бұрын

​@@z135210that's not what the data shows

@thengine7

12 сағат бұрын

@@z135210 Notice everyone is quiet on that fact? Massive descent rate that was glossed over by hoover. She failed as a pilot. End of story. Normally hoover destroys other pilot's failures. Wonder what is different this time?

@z135210

4 сағат бұрын

@@thengine7 simping

It seems like in aviation, accidents happen because of things known before the accident occurs but aren't taken seriously by either the pilots or 0eople connected to the aircraft or management.

@mjproebstle

6 күн бұрын

Most, if not all of the accidents presented here are preventable. We can all learn a great deal from their analysis. That’s the purpose of this channel.

@seaskimmer9071

5 күн бұрын

"Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But, to an even greater extent than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect." (Anon.)

@lornamurdocheaton624

5 күн бұрын

@Vico649 This is so true of ALL human endeavours. People make mistakes, circumstances change, they get distracted (sometimes by greed), forget the safety rules, or overestimate their skills. It's human. Most times people get away with it, but air and motor sports, riding motorbikes or horses, or pretty much anything competitive can be unforgiving. Sometimes terrible accidents lead to better safety for all of us.

I worked in a field that conducted a lot of failure analysis, which is the main reason that I really enjoy your channel even though I’m not a pilot. Your objectivity and humility, as well as your excellent teaching style as you go through contributing factors and winnow them down to the critical few are so valuable. I hope your watchers will get that this case clearly shows the necessity and value of clear and enforceable land use and siting requirements. States and municipalities that operate like regulation , guidance, and permit/zoning enforcement are overstepping government authority are shirking their duties, though in this area it could have been as simple as developer making a “back off!” call to the county supervisor or planning department when the stacks were found to be 30’ too high. In my overly-nanny state of CA, the factory would have never been given a permit to construct that close to a runway approach, let along with steam-emitting exhaust stacks. It’s a shame that a talented and industrious young lady’s life was the payment tendered for the “freedoms” offered by that town’s government to a developer. 😢 Yes, freedom isn’t free, but innocent lives are not legal tender.

Very well explained, thank you.

I love the way you present the facts. This is such an interesting and informative place to learn from, thank you Pilot Debrief.

Move the stacks! Pay the relatives! Thank you for the video.

@whdbnrm3023

6 күн бұрын

Money money moooney .Greed is a wonderful thing .

It is crazy how many accidents are preceded with concerns that nothing is done about. Then the foreseeable accident simply happens.

Great analysis, thank you.

Yeah, makes sense. Slower approach, bit of turbulence from the steam, the stall horn sounds. She automatically lowers the nose as per training.... and plowed straight into the stacks. It's a stupid place to be putting up obstructions when an existing runway exists. It killed her.

Thanks Hoover. I was just there at the city park across from the factory on May 19th and I took a couple photos being aware of this tragic accident. Just to let you know, the remaining stacks have never been painted per the FAA recommendation. Though there must have been much NTSB and FAA presence there after the accident and the fact that the company did not comply to the recommendation, nothing was ever done and no enforcement was directed at the company. I could send you the photos, which the meta data confirms when they were taken, if you like.

As a private pilot, I am very impressed by your videos, and experience both past and present. Thank you.

Great video Hoover. I love how thoroughly you cover every aspect of the investigation making this the best video I've seen so far on the subject. This has to be one of the saddest stories of recent times. She made a small mistake that cost her life. As a fellow pilot, I feel so very much for her family with the sudden end to this lovely young lady's life. You have, as always shown great consideration and kindness. I have a question. Re the warning lamp, did the potato company illegally remove the stack from the building before the NTSB had finished its investigation of the evidence? (Therefore impeding an investigation?) It appears the stack was taken down after the NTSB visit, placed beside a railway line, not cordoned off, and was soon taken away for disposal. It was at this point, the lamp was taken for a separate legal case by Dan Gryder, who was accused of removing evidence. But this could only be so if the stack was taken down and disposed of without the knowledge of the NTSB. OR Does the stack remain the property of the NTSB until it is completely destroyed??? The lamp would have very likely been smashed loading such a heavy object onto a rail car.

from a lawyers perspective, the mere fact that she didn’t hit it the first time does not excuse the fact that there is a nearly invisible obstacle intruding into the cone of reasonably foreseeable flight paths.

@danepatterson8107

6 күн бұрын

Clearance of 98 feet: collision with those stacks was inevitable.

@wizardm

6 күн бұрын

The key point is the vent stacks shouldn't have been there if the airfield stays operative. Another option would have been to install a condensation system that would have drastically reduced steam production and exhaust air temperature.

@johnfranborra

6 күн бұрын

@@wizardm Or simply decommission the approach.

@cogitoergospud1

6 күн бұрын

The existence of the stacks was disclosed and known. It was therefore foreseeable that flying the approach in the existing conditions was dangerous. Nonetheless, the pilot tragically assumed the risk. Ideally, the stacks would not be there. Legally, there should be no liability based on the stacks being there. Emotionally, a jury might decide otherwise, out of a desire to make “someone” pay, but that’s another issue. Indisputably, this is a tragic accident. Factually, I do have a law degree. Personally, these are just my opinions, and not legal advice.

@BVN-TEXAS

6 күн бұрын

She had flown in that airport many times and not hit the stacks. She got distracted and it was pilot error. Yes the stacks that close are a hazard but many airfields have issues like this be it trees or some type of building. She was a skilled commercial pilot and knew the approach.

As of last month those stacks still aren't painted. Sounds like the town wants that airport gone for the land. It is riverfront property. They certainly aren't concerned with making it accommodating.

Solid work, a tragic story. Save the grace of God there go I. 44 years flight experience, major airline captain checkout was in 1999, well over 20,000 hours and I learn from you every time I invest time in your videos. Thank you so much. Awesome stuff.

I’m sad for the family’s loss. It’s horrible! I almost lost my oldest daughter to an accident that could have been avoided. I can feel their pain and I hope they were well compensated. This was an excellent debrief and superb analysis! Thank You!

I was well-advised to fly approaches in the 208 at 120 KIAS and ten degrees flaps. Plenty of energy/lift and a good view over the nose, even for someone who sits low in the seat, like I do. Preposterous those stacks were allowed to be there, but she might have had a chance with more energy and an unobstructed view ahead.

Dude, all your vids are sad as hell. But we learn a ton of stuff. You and this other guy are the best. Keep them coming, cuz I want to keep learning. Thanx.

Sad happening. Thanks for the wonderful video explaining this sad crash, this dear lady lost her life and this is such a heart breaking accident for an experienced pilot to have made a reported error in her flying. RIP Brittney.

Hi Hoover, I love your explanations which make it easy to understand for landlubbers like me.

Who else here thought, "fk the city. They need to have the shit sued out of them?"

@RadioRich100

4 күн бұрын

No you need better trained pilots who wont run into stationary obstacles.

@yabman1317

2 күн бұрын

Which city to sue! That processing plant is in HEYBURN, ID and the airport is across the river in BURLEY, ID.

@ExMachina70

Күн бұрын

@@yabman1317 Easy, sue the city that gave the green light to have the factory built in the first place.

@yabman1317

Күн бұрын

@@ExMachina70 Understood. I have learned a few more things since my original post, which make it not very correct. The factory was actually built in 1960. I just read the it donated the 22 million dollar plant to the city of Burley (Burley paid about $50,000 in fees for the transfer). So the plant is actually the responsibility of the city of Burley who then leased it out to various companies including Gem State Processing who eventually built the tall smokestacks that the pilot was killed on.

Best analysis i have seen by all the KZread channels who have covered this accident. You are definitely a step above and much more clear and precise and easier to understand in your explanation. Thank you.

Thank you for the debrief and I hope the family of Brittney gets the justice they deserve for their daughter so this doesn't happen again