The bad thing is when tires must spin so much to get power to others they will usually dig in to soft ground causing you to get further stuck.

Well done. This is a nice comparison between 2 of the most luxurious obtainable CUVs.

I don't like when there are 2 drivers and the way they drive is differently ..as we noticed the Porsche's driver is more gentle like it's supposed to be so we can see when the system engage.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

We do not a possibility to test always with the same driver. But owners of the cars usually know their cars better than any other driver.

@nonename7869

Жыл бұрын

The road surface is different too. One is on pavement while the other is on tiles that offer grip in the grout grooves. The Audi driver hit the gas immediately to break out as you see the rollers fly out from under the car

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

​​@@nonename7869oad surface plays a role only when grip is lost. In this case it made a difference only in the last test of Macan so we can hear front tyre squeak. But here's another Q5: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e5Wt1dGmhafNiLQ.html

@Bmr4life

28 күн бұрын

@@nonename7869surface plays no roll in this test 😅

both cars performed well. nice test

@Anton-lx3xi

2 жыл бұрын

Audi get out faster

both are using same engine and transmission right? (like both are dual-clutch for an example)

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, both 2.0 turbocharged petrol, both dual-clutch.

This model of Q5 uses Quattro Ultra, what AWD system does the Macan get? Torsen?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

Macan is powering front axle via multiplate clutch-pack, so it's the opposite of quattro ultra.

In real-world conditions the Porsche's awd overheats and gives up quickly. Check the SUV battle (Diyas Valikhan) channel tests. The off-road mode didn't help either.

@Anton-lx3xi

2 жыл бұрын

In this test off road mode doesn't have any effect...

We want Alfa stelvio next

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

Here's Stelvio: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mKmJtLeEYbqqmtI.html

Wydaje się, że tryb offroad w Porsche to wydmuszka.

Zwróciłem uwagę że gdy porsche ruszało z trzech rolek to było słychać pisk opony. Czyżby wyjazd z rolek był tak ciężki że jedna opona ma problem z ciężkim autem i zrywa przyczepność do asfaltu?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

To nie jest kwestia ciężkiego auta, a gwałtownego przyłożenia momentu do koła z przyczepnością lub starej opony etc. Zdarza się w wielu testach.

Both cars have open front and rear diffs, so they rely on brake based fake lsd to shift power side to side. The Audi does a much better job clamping down early and harder.

@klstrucker930419

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but it may also turn out to be more aggressive and less predictable while sending power to that wheel that has more traction.

Not sure if this matters, but the Macan is still built on the older Q5 platform. So the two cars are technologically different. Macan is not using "quattro ultra" either. It should be torsen, even on the 2l engine.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

Macan doesn't use torsen but multiplate clutch-pack to power front wheels.

Does the Macan come with the optional rear PTV diff? And would such diff help out in these roller tests to certain degree?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, open diffs. Unfortunately I don't know the details about PTV diff.

@klstrucker930419

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if from software side it's programmed that way, but PTV locks the diff's outside wheel. So if PTV would lock the diff on both sides- yes, that would help when one of the rear wheels lost traction provided, that enough torques is being send to the rear axle.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@klstrucker930419 I see there's open diff inside and two clutch-packs, it probably can't lock at both sides at the same time, mechanically not possible.

@michasukiewicz1172

2 жыл бұрын

@@klstrucker930419 PTV only locks (or actually adds more torsion - its not a mechanical lock) rear diff helping to sustain grip (drive) on each off-weighted rear wheel when taking turns. Basically there is one diff on every axle (and one central to send power to front wheels in Macan) I use Macan S with PTV on light off road (gravel, snow roads) and it works great. Although it needs more speed than typical off road car (I had Jeep Grand Cherokee before) more like rally car on the gravel.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@michasukiewicz1172 To be precise - there is no center differential but a clutch-pack which is powering front axle.

Who makes those rollers?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

Custom made.

@zepter00

2 жыл бұрын

Guy with skills and welder

Quattro rocks 🤘

@Anton-lx3xi

2 жыл бұрын

It is new quattro system. Ultra. Seems really good

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@tisironewbrook7275 "Quattro" is just a marketing name for many types of awd systems, Macan doesn't have any of them. It is using the same same type as xDrive.

Interesting to see that big SUVs like these struggle to get enough traction on 1 front wheel to drag the other 3 wheels out of the rollers.

@piciu256

2 жыл бұрын

It's the weight probably, or stiff suspension to try and hide said weight.

@Mamo878

2 жыл бұрын

"Big SUVs"? In the USA these are on the small side.

@gardenst4398

2 жыл бұрын

VW tiguan & atlas does much better job than its luxury cousins🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@jpch8814

2 жыл бұрын

@@gardenst4398 Because super luxury crossovers like the Porsche Macan have their traction control and AWD tuned for performance not off-road. The tires spin to improve handling, cornering and drifting which ruins off-road traction.

@gardenst4398

2 жыл бұрын

@jp ch.....may be its not haldex awd like in tiguan & atlas

Macan ma płytę podłogową od Q5 ale chyba coś nakombinowali z elektroniką bo mam wrażenie że zwykły mechaniczny torsen w audi sprawuje i zachowuje się lepiej na trzech rolkach?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

Audi nie ma torsena.

@jaro324

Жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Czyli silnik poprzecznie? ja mam Q5 z 2009r 2.0TFSi w automacie i tam jest torsen, talk czy siak elektronika też daje radę.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

@@jaro324 Wzdłużnie, ale od 2016 większość Q5 ma quattro ultra.

@jaro324

Жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers No to nie wiedziałem, dzięki za wiedzę i pozdrawiam.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

@@jaro324 Tu jest porównanie Q5 I z torsenem vs Q5 II z quattro ultra: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e5Wt1dGmhafNiLQ.html Pozdrawiam

TLDR: They're both not terribly effective off road unless you can somehow fit switchable diff locks and more suitable tires.

@packroyliao7561

2 жыл бұрын

I mean one of them is a porsche, its emphasis is more on the S of suv

roller test

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

?

Now I know why my Porsche cayenne is totalled last winter..

The test for me is not fair because the ground being tested by Audi is different from the ground being tested by Porsche The ground tested by Audi has better traction

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter cause there are no serious grip issues. Besides paving is more slippery than tarmac.

What the heck was all that about?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

This guy will help: kzread.info/dash/bejne/n6atqdB-frfZn6w.html

That was painful to watch. Mainly because that rattling sound made me think the Porsche had a driveshaft or some drivetrain problem. But then I realized it was the spinning bar from the wheel slip thingy on the ground. Lol

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

Correct 🙂

Macan all the way. They should put better wheels and Macan S at least

Аудюха на удивление просто истребила порша👍

@arguzzarguzz5565

2 жыл бұрын

кватра ультра ку5 это подключаемый муфтой зад, фактически без межосевого дифа. у порша постоянный торсен. интересно, как часто ку5 будут становиться переднеприводными.

@hypnotoad9111

2 жыл бұрын

@@arguzzarguzz5565 если по принципу haldex все работает, то при должном обслуживании с заменой масла не реже раз в 40к, то вполне себе надежно и смело без ремонтов 250к отхаживает..

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@arguzzarguzz5565 Macan doesn't have torsen. It uses multiplate clutch-pack to power front wheels. Q5 uses multiplate clutch-pack to power rear wheels.

@arguzzarguzz5565

2 жыл бұрын

@@hypnotoad9111 чуть сложнее, муфт больше. да и халдексы часто молча мрут и хозяин давно катает переднепривод.

@arguzzarguzz5565

2 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers да, ты прав. всегда считал, что привод макана 2.0 идентичен q5 8r, но это не так. необычная машина.

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Strange! Both are same audi shit. But still different!